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0:00 Did you go this morning? No. Bad boy. Adam Curry. It's Sunday, 08/23/2026.

0:05 This is your award winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode eighteen ninety seven. This is No Agenda.

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0:14 the morning, Gitmo Nation. Welcome to No Agenda eighteen ninety seven, the best podcast in the universe,

0:21 and this is No Agenda version one dot two beta.

0:25 And please welcome back the

0:28 the co guest host that we had on the previous episode on Thursday, the one and only sir Ducifer, mister Rob Dew.

0:34 In the morning, everyone. How's everybody doing out there? I hope I'm coming in loud and clear. It's loud and clear, no delay. Excellent. It was the weirdest thing on the last show. I'm like, is why is Rob so slow? I never noticed he was slow a slow thinker, you know. It's like, he always I'm usually on the ball ready to interrupt it at a moment's notice. It was just and then I realized later like, oh, you know, there must have been and I'm like, what Rob, did did you have a bad connection or do you have a couple of tabs open on your browser?

1:04 Yeah. And I replied back, well, my browser probably looks like John C. Dvorak's Office at this point. I mean, I I am a browser tab fiend.

1:12 I'm a I have finder windows and browse three browsers open each one with like, I don't know, 40 windows. So, yeah, we closed all that. Oh, you have 40 how many tabs? You have 40 tabs or 40 windows?

1:24 I had no. Probably like eight windows with 40 tabs mixed around total. I mean, now I have three tabs open. So we're we're looking good. When you say windows, what do you mean? Like file folders? You're on a Mac. Right? I'm on a Mac. So say I have Firefox, I have Safari,

1:41 I have

1:42 Oh, yeah. Brave,

1:43 you know, I have all the different browsers open because each one does different things.

1:48 No wonder.

1:50 No wonder. Well, here here's the thing,

1:53 mister Rob do. Whenever,

1:56 Gitmo Nation likes something, whenever they're really, like, digging something,

2:01 people always do things like they make jingles,

2:04 they put together end of show mixes,

2:07 and since you are I mean, no one even called you a Zionist shill. I'm I'm amazed. I'm a little worried, actually.

2:15 Here's

2:16 still time. Here's a mix just for you from Just Baker. Yeah.

2:25 Two pairs of eyes clopped into the same medium. They don't just report the weather, they measure the dew point, the exact degree where the narrative vapor turns liquid. When you finally see the boom, just do it.

3:38 I mean, come on, man. That's

3:40 that's some love right there. I'm literally gonna walk down the street with that blasting on a speaker.

3:45 The question is, are are you on, super male vitality pills right now? Is that what's going on? You know what I did take, though? I I will admit, I did take the methylene blue this morning.

3:55 Hold on. Wait for the drop. Wait for the drop.

4:05 Yeah.

4:06 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

4:09 Welcome.

4:10 Alright. You know, this Just do it. That's something we never did on No Agenda is play music in the show. I'm like, man, I really wish I could play some old school music. I'm like, what am I thinking? I got this

4:21 producer made mixes. Might as well use them in the show now do something different. Yeah. Exactly. Well, and it I guess, was that one that that played at the last show? I didn't make it to the end No. No. Unless No

4:31 one made it to the end, Rob. No.

4:34 No. That's that's brand new.

4:36 Nice. How did I don't know before we even start with deconstructing the news. Yeah. How did I miss

4:42 the Freedom two fifty Grand Prix being today?

4:47 You know, I had no idea either. My my mind has been

4:51 I was looking for clips, so I wasn't even looking at is that race cars? Is that what that is? It's it's IndyCar.

4:56 Okay. A street race in Washington DC.

5:00 Oh, wow. I mean, like, yes. This is I bet the traffic is awesome today. Well, of course, all the all the the liberals are complaining how horrible this. But this I mean, that could not be more Americans.

5:13 Oh, yeah. Indy car And also,

5:16 do you know anything about racing? Are you a racing guy? Do you care at all about that stuff? You know, know you go fast, I know you need a brake and you shift. That's about it. Because I think Formula One and I and I could be wrong.

5:26 I think the Formula One cars now also have batteries.

5:30 Oh, wow. I don't know if they're hybrid. It's another heavier. Well, they had to go green because, know, gotta go green if we're racing in in The United Arab Emirates.

5:41 And

5:43 I'm like,

5:44 I think the Indy cars, they just they just burn fuel and just have explosions.

5:49 They burn fuel, they burn tires, they burn, you know, it's it's a lot of a

5:54 a lot of fossil fossil fuels in the making. Yes. I love it. There's nothing like having the Strait Of Hormuz Hormuz being in dispute over oil and we're just like burning it in DC. It's beautiful, man. I want a shot of the car driving past the Lincoln Memorial. That's what I need. You know, you know, Trump's watching it right now. He's so I do have I do have a racing thing though. I did do a drag race one time Really? In my mom's

6:18 1986

6:19 Buick Century that she got from Mary Kay. It was pink. Is that a Okay. Was that a straight six?

6:25 It was a straight six. It was a six. Oh, man. And and man, I caught a second, which I don't know if people know. That's when you you peel rubber when you go into second gear. So that's called kidding a second. And I beat my friend, had a Caprice classic,

6:37 and I blew him away Wait a minute. Because he had too much weight. So your mom was a a Mary Kay

6:43 what was that like when you're She was a sales director. Because when you're if you're at the top of your game, that's when you get one of those those pink cars. Right? She got three cars from Mary Kay. That's how successful she was. Yeah. And I you know, when I look back at it, I'm like, that's amazing. Because this was in the eighties and, know, people maybe had a lot of money or it was, you know, it was a different time.

7:05 There wasn't a it didn't seem like everybody had disposable income. So but she was she would go out in her business suits and come back and she would hold parties and it just got bigger and bigger. I love Yeah.

7:17 Three cars out of the whole deal. You can't beat that. No wonder you're an entrepreneur. It's it's in your blood, man. It came from your mom. That's awesome.

7:24 Yeah. And she started off as an English teacher. So that's

7:28 it's pretty, it's pretty and now she's retired and a grandmom. She just loves being a grandmom. Is she nearby? Is she in Texas?

7:35 She lives down the street. When I moved to Austin in '98,

7:39 slowly everyone in my family moved here to because I'm like, this place is really cool. You guys should come and and now it's way too crowded and I'm like, how do I get out of here? Right. Right. But at least you got so you got grandma nearby. Yay.

7:52 Yeah. Yay. That's how you do it. And all all the all the extended family is close by. My my brother is probably the furthest now. He's out near Beaumont. But we all kinda went from Louisiana over to Texas. Very nice. Oh, you're you're from Louisiana?

8:07 Oh, alright. Originally, yes. On on the other side of the highway?

8:11 Basically, other side of the Sabine River. I mean, we were like 20 miles from Texas. So Oh, okay. Good. Always always looking to come always mall shopping in Texas There because you they had better malls. So I got a a clip from several different people which kind of pertains to you, and I I wanted to respond to it and set the record straight and

8:30 then I have another comment about it. This is from the Alex Jones,

8:34 alexjoneslive.com

8:36 show. Can I mention one last thing, and I'll let you go? Well, we're not censuring you. You're doing that. You're not you're not you're doing it. You're doing the thing, brother. Do it at this. I'm not mad, but every the next caller will do it too. Got it. No. You're on the air. Go ahead.

8:50 Is there any chance you're gonna link back up with the Revenge of the Sis guys or Adam Curry from No Agenda? Because he's a Rogan guy. You could he's in Texas. You should really link up with Adam Curry. Yeah. I like Adam Curry. He's really smart. He's

9:04 got smart. Last time he was on my show, like, ten years ago, he got a big backlash from his supporters and stuff. Oh, my biggest interview is with you, but I can't come on your show. You can't come online. I saw him, like, three years ago at one of Rogan shows, the mothership, shook his hand, said hi to his wife. Right. I mean, Adam Adam Curry won't come on the show.

9:22 Well, he found Christ recently. His cohost, John C. Dvorak, just passed away, r I p, and he's got some time now. Think you guys you got a big crossover audience, Alex, and I think you should take

9:34 me. He won't come on the show. So I mean, what's the money? Come on. Refuse.

9:38 Alright. Well, thank you for having me on, Alex. Yeah. You bet. Thanks for the call.

9:42 Look. There's this thing. I was the first person to get really censored,

9:45 and I'm still on on YouTube, Instagram True. Facebook, and most things.

9:49 And and I'm only allowed on Rumble and only on x and at alamshoneslive.com.

9:53 They came in and took over info wars, all that. So people still know, like like, it's safe to do anything out there but be with Alex Jones. So I love Adam Curry. But people are always, like, have this person on, have that person on. They won't come on. Joe Rogan's afraid to have me on.

10:06 So and that's fine. I'm not mad at Joe. It's fine. He can say everything I say now and be safe, but the the the globalists are like a There it is. Hunting dog that's after a target. Globalist. It's like, don't get near Jones or you'll get big problems. Alright. Alright. Globalist is about that's me. Okay.

10:21 So let me just tell the story. This was during the great PayPal

10:27 de platforming.

10:28 And Alex asked me to come on. I said, brother, right now we're having so many troubles and we we can't sell vitality pills.

10:37 And if we get kicked off of PayPal, we got a lot of problems. And later actually,

10:41 people got so mad at PayPal for another issue that a lot of people just pulled their subscription. So we got hurt regardless.

10:48 Wow.

10:49 Brother Alex, I would love to come on again. Absolutely. And I like that he that he remembered that Tina and I met him at at the mothership. His new wife is fan that's he's married to her. Right? His his new wife? Is that Yes. Is he still with her? Second wife. Second, third. No. They're they're definitely still together. Okay. She was hang hanging out not too long ago. She's very sweet. Sweetheart. Sweetheart. And so was Alex. Even Tina's like, Alex is a sweetheart.

11:14 He's just like Did you notice his you know, so I don't know how long ago you saw him, but he was he's really gotten in shape in the last couple years. Oh, of course, I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he looks like a different person. People were like accusing him of being a clone. I'm like, no, it's the same guy. That's You know?

11:29 That's what happens when you lose weight and shave your head. You you look different. But it's true. It's true. They're cloning all the celebrities. You know this. Right? And, you have your digital twin and and actually someone like Alex would pay for it so that he could then retire to the bunker in Hawaii. God, the documents is all true. You know, I saw a second half a show clip. I didn't bring it to the show, but it was the it was a guy saying he had a friend who was in the path of a data center, and he calls him up, and his friend's like, hi. I've moved to Puerto Rico.

11:57 I yes. It was a, a number I could not refuse. I'm very happy now. And he's like, that doesn't sound like my friend. He thought he was cloned or Amazing. Know, some company stole his voice. So it was pretty pretty interesting. And you're looking at it like, well, you know, it's possible.

12:13 You know, any if here's the thing. If humans can think it, it's then possible. Yes. You know, it may not be technologically

12:20 possible

12:21 right when they think it, but five, ten, twenty, thirty years down the road, you know, all you have to do is come up with the idea. And and that's one of the cool things about AI, especially with images is, you know, if you think it, you could possibly get a weird looking version of what you're thinking. Although, yeah. Create it. But, you know, there's a lot of wokeism in in AI. Oh, I know. Yeah. You know, and some of it I mean, not some of it. A lot of it is because of people believing these black boxes actually are telling you the truth and, you know, they use it as some kind of oracle like, you know, hey, tell me what this is about. And these things are only really good as tools if you know what the outcome is supposed to be, not as a as a all knowing, all seeing device. But actually that brings me to the first

13:06 the first topic which as you and I discussed on on Thursday,

13:10 everything everything everything is about the midterms.

13:14 I don't care what it is, it's all about the midterms and it's unbelievable how people are falling into it left and right. And the data centers,

13:22 well, that's one of the big ones. And I can say if I were the mayor of a town or the governor of a state and I had a chance to get a big plant in, an AI plant or a data center, I would absolutely want it because the jobs are enormous and the money paid, the taxes paid are just enormous. President Trump hosted tech leaders at the White House to discuss US efforts on cryptocurrency

13:44 and artificial intelligence.

13:46 Trump says the technology is crucial to create more jobs and beat China, but voters need a different perspective.

13:53 NPR's Deepa Shivram reports. The president argued that if he were the mayor of a town, he would want an AI data center there for the tax benefits. But if I were a governor or mayor, I would want that plant in my

14:05 community and many of them are designed in a very beautiful way. That puts Trump at odds with the majority of Americans. A Gallup poll from March this year said seven in 10 Americans oppose an AI data center getting built in their area. Trump in his remarks acknowledged that AI data centers could use a, quote, little public relations help, but his stance underscores how his perception of the technology differs from voters' concerns,

14:30 which could be a top issue in the midterm elections this year. Yeah. There it is. Top issue. Yes. There it is. Make it a top issue.

14:37 So do you do you go to a church out there in Driftwood?

14:40 Yes.

14:41 Did you It's an Episcopal church. Did you go this morning? No.

14:45 Bad boy. I know. So

14:49 we go to church early on Sunday morning and

14:52 this data center thing, this like this confluence of messaging

14:56 that has just come together to the point where

15:00 very rational people

15:02 completely believe that data centers are pretty much demonic.

15:07 I mean, that's the word I hear. They're gonna take all the water, they're gonna take all the electricity,

15:12 which, know, some of that is true. They are gonna use a lot of electricity.

15:15 Well We're covering that Definitely. With the last show. Definitely, some of that is true.

15:20 But there's this these additional things that have come in.

15:24 And first of all, AI is all under control of Peter Thiel. Palantir is using AI and they're going to control everybody, kill everybody, they kill everybody who's not a Jew. They're the only company doing it. The only company. They're not even an AI frontier company, but, you know, in fact, they do quite the opposite. But but that, this is like the Whitney Webb thing. It all comes back to Peter Thule and the PayPal mafia and then the

15:48 what's the Epstein,

15:49 it all comes back to that. And then

15:51 you add in this one extra bit which actually saw you I have not heard your clips of course, but you brought in some clips I think which will be relevant.

16:00 Now people add the flock camera. Mhmm. So now these data centers are gonna be filled with surveillance on us,

16:07 Skynet is here, we're gonna be completely controlled,

16:11 we'll be digitized and the antichrist is in the data centers.

16:16 And

16:17 this is just not true. It's just

16:20 not true.

16:22 Well, and if if they wanna track you, they're already tracking you through the phone you carry around. And they're posting their fears on Instagram and TikTok, which is the literal Skynet.

16:32 No. They're posting their crimes. They're like, let's cut down these flock cameras, which I think is I was gonna say this after I played some of these clips, but the psyop of, hey, go cut down your local flock camera, nothing will happen. I'm like, there's somebody running this thing to create a flock protection system because then it's gonna become really bad,

16:52 you know, like right now it's just vandalism. Well, now now it's gonna be, now you're messing with infrastructure and it's gonna be some weird thing where they turn it around and go, now we're gonna get you and it's it's twenty years in prison for touching a flight camera.

17:06 That's what I think. That well, that's an interesting take.

17:09 Well, that's where it leads. It always leads to that. We gotta crook, you know, create something protected. So this is the surveillance system that we're creating or who's creating, we don't know. But there's other companies out there other than flock Oh, yeah. That are doing the same thing. How about how about But we don't hear about it. How about Amazon with the ring doorbells which everyone gladly

17:27 put on their on their home.

17:30 Right. And and now they're clairvoyant, they can see in boxes. What

17:34 are these flock clips you got?

17:36 So the the first one, let's see. Let's go to

17:40 well, let's see. I got I got a Vader on flock. Let's start with Vader on flock. This is Darth Vader goes to a city council meeting and he he's voicing his support for flock cameras. I was looking for people

17:52 initially bitching about it, but I'm like, I don't know. These clips are kind of funnier of the people being sarcastic and and promoting

17:58 flock. So we'll we'll start with Vader.

18:04 The emperor is a fan of flock, and we must continue utilizing flock technologies

18:10 so that we can follow and surveil the rebel scum as they move from playground to playground, from playground to pool, from pool to gymnasium. Because we all know that the flock cameras are not only following the license plate readers, they are following children. They are following children in parks and gymnasiums,

18:29 and we need this. I need this so I can stalk my ex girlfriend.

18:35 I saw this guy. That he was great. I well, I I gotta ask Rob, the constitutional lawyer. I mean, I'm not so sure I mean, I know that municipalities

18:44 are getting rid of them everywhere. City councils are going, hey, you know, we made a mistake here.

18:50 There was and I I grew up with this nonsense in Europe

18:55 with traffic cameras

18:57 and,

18:58 you know, at a certain where the where it actually led to with with them,

19:02 like in The Netherlands,

19:03 it used to be

19:05 so

19:06 flash poles they call them, which is obviously a a camera. Oh, crap. I got flash. So then you just get a

19:13 Oh, you'd actually see the flash as you drive by and you're like, oh, man. I got hot. I got got I got flashed. Exactly. But then they changed it. They changed it to this

19:22 to these sensors

19:24 with let's say maybe

19:26 five kilometers in between.

19:29 And so they they clock you when you hit the entry on the highway

19:33 and if you hit the exit too soon,

19:37 then they then boom, you're done. You clearly were speeding in the interim. So they have these these

19:43 these sections of highway

19:45 where they're just clocking you. You know, the opposite of Indy,

19:49 you know, or NASCAR is not how you have to go exactly the right speed.

19:54 And and I

19:56 you know, it's working over there. It's stupid,

19:59 but people like, might as well just slow down here. I'll just go, oh, well, here's Rob the constitutional lawyer. He's checking in right away. He's listening. Oh, good. Are you about to ask him whether there's any expectation of privacy on a public road?

20:11 Well, you know what I'm asking you, Rob. I'm I'm asking you what

20:15 can can because to ask that question is to answer it.

20:21 I guess public. Okay.

20:22 I thought that, you know, isn't that isn't that trapping you? Isn't that entrapment?

20:27 No. He's gonna he's gonna have to write me a brief

20:30 a brief. Well, where it gets interesting is they, you know, they take this stuff and then they hold it and then with Right. And some of these police departments the police departments are tracking their ex girlfriends. I think that's a small minority, obviously. But they'll but they'll use it for other things. It's like a crime was committed and you were seen on this road at that time Yeah. Not for not for speeding purposes,

20:52 but you were seen there so we're gonna come and question you. That And there's video of that of cops going to people's

20:59 questioning them. Yeah. They're like, you stole a package. And she's like, I drove through that neighborhood because it's a shortcut. And they're like, nope. You stole a package off this lady's front porch. Yeah.

21:09 So What else you got here on this slide? So we got now we have I'm assuming this lady's a mom,

21:14 because she just kinda gave out the the mom vibe. She's sarcastic mom on flock one and she's basically, you know, doing the same thing that Vader's doing, but she's got a different twist on it. And I and I kinda like this twist and and I'm all for, you know, if we're gonna do this

21:30 to everybody, then then let's you know, if we're gonna put fly cameras on the on the trails and everywhere that we can possibly think about, well, let's let's make sure they're in front of our public servants' homes. Some Y'all probably remember me. I was at the last meeting in opposition to flock.

21:46 But after seeing the recent data coming from the sheriff's office, I'm gonna call for more flock cameras.

21:51 Double, triple even.

21:54 I want the most that we can possibly have. I'm

21:57 requesting they be placed in the Commissioner's Office in front of the Commissioner's Houses.

22:01 I want them at the Sheriff's Office in front of the Sheriff's house, and I want them in front of every government employee's house. This wasn't an issue pointing one at my driveway,

22:11 so it shouldn't be a problem. Right? Anytime the sheriff, commissioner, government employee leaves their house,

22:17 a drone should detach from the camera and follow them wherever they go. This is for safety Oh, there. And to protect you. Don't worry. Safety and security. Just a license plate reader. No big deal. I'm not lying to you. You can trust us. We're here to help. Oh, I like that. And that that kind of dovetail dovetails into

22:36 JCDs.

22:36 He he wanted

22:38 cameras in classrooms. Cameras in classrooms. Yeah. Here's Yep. Rob the constitutional lawyer. He says, the fourth amendment does not apply unless you have an expectation of privacy.

22:48 Creepy?

22:49 Overbearing?

22:50 Absolutely.

22:51 Unconstitutional?

22:52 Sadly,

22:53 no. The fourth amendment prohibits unlawful searches and seizures.

22:58 Let's play your second clip, your second mom clip here. Yep. We can also use unique identification numbers in real time as you move. Tracking things like your Bluetooth, your car GPS, heck, even your dog's microchip.

23:10 And, no, this is definitely not a slippery slope of constitutional liberty just because some judge who works for the government maybe might say so.

23:19 In addition, we could add an extra layer of security, and every government employee email and phone could have a digital online clone.

23:27 That way, every taxpayer can go in, view your text messages, listen to your phone calls, see your search history, and listen to your voice mails on that device.

23:36 If you don't have anything to hide, it shouldn't be a problem. Right? We'll only store this data for thirty days, though. I'm being totally honest about this. For the low price of a few $100,000,

23:48 why not spend the extra money surveilling the government,

23:51 their use of our tax dollars, and everything funded by them? If you're not willing to have this transparency as a public servant while you erect a surveillance state around citizens,

24:01 then you're a hypocrite. Y'all stay blessed.

24:04 Thank you. I love the ending. Y'all stay blessed. Y'all stay blessed.

24:08 Rob continues. If the camera can see inside your car, you may have an interesting question. The question will again turn on whether you have an expectation of privacy in your car.

24:18 And and I just say that the the final point is that

24:22 everybody is freely giving their location,

24:26 their data, their communications

24:28 with a

24:30 a non exclusive license to have that data

24:33 copied

24:34 and reproduced

24:35 and replicated

24:37 and

24:37 remixed and done whatever and sold and sold

24:41 to whoever wants to buy it. So this is just like a red herring almost like, oh, I'm so upset about this But you shouldn't use a single app. The apps are what are doing it.

24:53 And And maybe this will lead to that. Maybe people will start looking at their phones and going, wait a minute. No. No. No.

25:00 They won't. They love it too much.

25:03 And it's easier just to bitch about flock. It's it's I mean, you can't go to a city council meeting if you can't put it on Instagram.

25:11 What's the point?

25:13 That's true. I'm sure that this mom thought that as well. And the crazy thing is

25:18 is that this a this so called incredibly intelligent

25:22 artificial intelligence

25:24 is really I mean, here's this is just a clip that I pulled to help people understand

25:29 how the corpus, how the how a lot of this recognition is actually done and who does it? A lot of people see artificial intelligence as something that is largely automated,

25:40 frictionless,

25:41 and just appears as a useful tool for us. But most of the human

25:46 hours that go into making artificial intelligence possible

25:49 are not done in labs in Google or OpenAI.

25:53 The majority of the work is actually very

25:57 piecemeal data annotation work, which is out sourced

26:01 to various locations in the global South,

26:04 everywhere from India to East Africa to The Philippines,

26:07 where this data annotation work

26:11 is undertaken by an army of millions of workers across the globe. Now just to give you some context, this data annotation could include something like

26:20 annotating a street scene for an autonomous vehicle. So drawing a box around what is a tree, what is a child,

26:27 what is a street sign, So that as you're training an autonomous vehicle

26:32 to essentially see the road,

26:34 the algorithm that powers it will be able to learn the difference between these objects.

26:40 And this doesn't happen on its own or automatically.

26:43 This requires

26:44 hundreds and thousands of human labor hours

26:48 at what I call digital sweatshops,

26:50 which are located all across the globe.

26:53 And

26:54 this is often done in very substandard labor conditions. And the whole process of

26:59 hiring these workers and outsourcing the work to them really mirrors in a lot of ways the outsourcing revolution that happened in manufacturing

27:08 and IT.

27:10 And I think when it comes to things like coffee or chocolate or our clothes,

27:15 I think a lot of listeners would be aware that this is part of a global supply chain. And I think what we need to realize is that advanced technology like artificial intelligence is still part of these global supply chains.

27:29 And I'm gonna push back on this this dude.

27:33 I know a guy who has a company and he he actually had this in the very beginning of Value4Value

27:40 with podcasting two point o with streaming Satoshis.

27:43 It was a company called Sphinx.

27:45 And they they

27:47 actually had set up this this they were very excited about the lightning payment system because they had an entire army of

27:56 people working in The Philippines,

27:58 which is not a third world country. There's a lot of issues for sure.

28:02 And these people would do exactly what was described, know, cat,

28:07 the deer,

28:08 human,

28:08 bicycle,

28:09 you know. In

28:11 essence the other side of your captchas,

28:13 but doing it for artificial intelligence.

28:15 And they would get paid micro payments per completed assignment

28:20 and they were able to take that, convert it into gas cards, gift cards,

28:24 cards for local supermarkets

28:27 and they were doing phenomenally

28:29 well. And I don't know if they're still in business, I presume they are. So that's actually not all that crazy and not all that bad.

28:36 But this this is just another part of it. Oh, their digital sweat shops. It's by the way, there's a lot of people in America who do this work too.

28:45 A lot of people.

28:47 And my daughter did some she was doing

28:50 all kinds of stuff for Google for a while during COVID.

28:53 All kinds of, you know, tagging, recognizing. I mean, it was everywhere. It was just it was like a great little side gig. But somehow I always find it interesting those captchas now. Now they want you to do three or four in a row before the web site will let you check it out. But you know, it used to just be one. Now it's like, no no no. Here's another picture. Identify these cars. You know, okay. It's so crazy that I have to convince a robot that I'm not a robot. I mean, there's something so wrong with that. So

29:20 so these data centers, which I truly believe will not actually be functional as data centers.

29:27 We heard on the last show, if you didn't go back and listen to the guy from ERCOT or they're not from ERCOT but the energy commission in Texas. Yeah. In Turkey, Texas. Turkey, Texas. That they're looking for stranded power. So that's power that can't even get into the grid because it's

29:43 it would overload the the the transport

29:46 lines to the grid itself.

29:49 And so they, you know, these the data centers, they're smart, know, like, hey, I wanna create a base load. You can power my machines and then I can sell off some excess capacity

29:59 when it's not needed or not at night or when there's no wind.

30:03 Yes. There have been some projects that took, you know, especially in Virginia

30:08 or the Alexandria,

30:10 Virginia area where all the existing data centers are. Yeah. They started to suck more power.

30:15 But now it's just seen as this

30:18 evil evil thing and I'll I'll reiterate,

30:20 this is a boondoggle,

30:22 a bonanza,

30:23 get your kid, you know, they will take anybody who wants to work, they'll teach him a skill, teach him how to weld, teach him how to be an electrician,

30:32 teach him how to wire stuff, teach him how to get coffee for all I care. Just like the oil boom,

30:38 this is a great opportunity. It's only gonna last a couple of years. The data centers

30:42 are not evil inherently,

30:45 but this is now turned into a psyop

30:48 which is,

30:49 you know, is anti republican,

30:52 you know, and and the republicans are doing it to themselves. This is the thing that's so crazy.

30:57 Like, well, I can't vote for anybody who's four data centers. Texas governor Greg Abbott once dubbed his state the epicenter of AI development.

31:05 That truly is a Texas sized investment in our state. An ABC News analysis found Texas is now among the states with the most data centers with more than 300 in operation and at least 200 more in the pipeline. But as opposition grows in Texas communities

31:21 This is my investment,

31:23 my home, and it's being ruined. The issue royals the governor's reelection campaign.

31:28 Greg Abbott. Abbott took 20,000,000 in campaign donations from data center executives and companies,

31:33 and he gave them billions in tax breaks.

31:35 Abbott now reversing course.

31:37 We must prohibit them from building AI data centers in rural

31:43 Texas neighborhoods.

31:44 Putting a freeze on new data center projects as the state audits them for energy, water usage, and tax incentives.

31:51 A move president Trump called a mistake. It's for Texas to say no to data centers is a mistake in the sense that it could be bigger than oil. That well,

32:02 so none of these guys including the president understand anything at all about this stuff or the fact that the

32:09 frontier model companies,

32:11 which means they're the leaders of burning money,

32:15 that they are the ones themselves who have

32:19 scared everybody about, oh, well, it's gonna break in everything, it's gonna bring down entire systems and that's super cyber hacking and it's gonna steal your Bitcoin, gonna break into your bank account,

32:31 which is backfiring

32:33 on them in a tremendous way where the,

32:36 you know, the new anthropic

32:39 fable, it used to be called Mythos, they rebranded to fable. No one's using it. It's too expensive. Like, we're not gonna use that crap. We're gonna use the cheap stuff from China. This is fantastic. We like this. And we can load onto our computers and run ourselves. We can load it on our on our own little lot cheaper. Our our own little data center here in our homes. So Abbott, who doesn't understand anything at all. And yes,

33:00 small towns, that's that's what happens in small towns. You get a bonanza, you get the small factory,

33:06 they get something that brings jobs to that area. Yes. That happens all the time. It happened with the railroads

33:12 Mhmm. And and Steel? And it's so steel, thank you. It's so it's so analogous to the railroads because yeah,

33:18 lots of tracks are gonna be laid and all those companies will go out of business and many many many years later,

33:26 we might be able to use it for something. Bitcoin It's a mall. Yeah. You're making a mall.

33:31 All kinds of all kinds of great opportunities. But but governor Abbott,

33:35 he he he doesn't know what he's talking about and now he's trying to play the political battle. And I think he's coming off as an idiot. He was on the the ABC this morning. Texas Republican governor Greg Abbott once vowed to make his state the, quote, epicenter

33:49 of the AI industry.

33:51 Now he has put in place a moratorium on data center construction.

33:55 That issue, along with inflation

33:57 and anxiety about the Iran War, is among the factors that have Texas Republicans

34:02 nervous about the midterm. Nervous. A nonpartisan Cook political report, which rates elections across the country,

34:09 this week rated the Texas senate race a toss-up,

34:13 suggesting Democrats

34:14 have a real chance of winning a seat they haven't won in decades.

34:19 We traveled to Austin to talk to the Lone Star State's most powerful Republican Power. A leader who is also facing a tougher than expected campaign for reelection as governor.

34:30 Governor Abbott, thank you for having us. I'm glad to have you in Texas. So how much anger and concern are you hearing out there about data centers?

34:38 So some what we've been focused on is responding to concerns that have been raised about data centers and and making sure,

34:44 that we have created a structure,

34:46 that's going to do more than any state to solve the problem. As governor, I I have outlined the greatest detail and most comprehensive plan of any governor in The United States Of America to respond to the data center challenge. The

35:01 data center challenge. You know, if he if he actually knew what he was talking about.

35:05 This is an opportunity for the American people

35:09 to take money

35:10 from BlackRock,

35:12 from Vanguard,

35:13 from Google,

35:15 from Meta.

35:16 Take their money.

35:18 But I got an example of this too, big example. So I got we got some friends that live in Alexandria,

35:23 right outside of DC

35:25 and they live in this beautiful neighborhood. You

35:28 you know, the houses are are big compared to, I would say, upper upper upper middle class standards. You you know, maybe these are 1,500,000,

35:38 $2,000,000 houses. I don't know what they'd be. That's what they'd be in Texas. Up up there, they're probably more, you know, probably close to 3,000,000.

35:45 But these

35:46 everyone in this neighborhood and they're surrounded by data centers. You drive out of their their

35:51 neighborhood, data center, data center, data center. It's just giant big buildings.

35:55 And so,

35:56 obviously, the data centers wanna absorb, you know, absorb this neighborhood.

36:00 They're giving these people,

36:02 $4,000,000

36:03 a home.

36:05 $4,000,000

36:06 for their house and then they're just gonna bulldoze these houses and put a data center up,

36:11 which is I'm like, I can't believe that that I mean, it's a boon it's a boondoggle for everybody in the neighborhood. They're like, sure, we'll move for that much. Yes. I mean, course. Of course they will. Then it's like, where do you then you could go, where do we wanna go? Like, what what's our dream place to go to? Because then you have dream money at that point to to use and and go go

36:29 up, you know, plant yours your flag somewhere else. And and And so people are like, government

36:33 money. This is not government money. This is private money. This is private equity.

36:38 They're raising huge money in bonds. This is this is the way to screw Wall Street. I'm telling you, you can go back in a few years and buy your house back for 750,000.

36:48 Well Yep. Or

36:50 if it's not been bulldozed. If But Yes. Or you can buy the dip in the market, when the market, you know, drops. You can There's so much opportunity

36:58 here

36:59 because everyone knows this bubble is going to blow up. Everyone's this is the same thing with Metropolitan

37:05 Fiber in the nineties.

37:08 You know, all this money, just tons and tons hundreds of billions of dollars

37:13 went into no, maybe it was more like hundreds of millions, but that's billions today.

37:18 Went into

37:20 fiber being laid everywhere and only now only now,

37:24 what do we twenty five years later It's finally getting used. Do I get it here in Yeah. In rural quote unquote rural Texas, 80 miles outside of Austin.

37:32 And so and there's no eminent domain.

37:36 That the railroads was eminent domain. Screw you. We're going right through you. The guys who were in oil and gas who are already making out like bandits,

37:44 you know, it's not gas they're burning,

37:47 flaring off in the fields that you see creating, you know, dangerous greenhouse gases. It's methane.

37:53 Methane that they cannot transport because there's there's no pipelines

37:57 going from the from the gas fields to wherever it needs to go. There's it's not affordable.

38:03 But look at what they can do and what they are doing. Data centers are going in near near the gas fields. Oh, well, I can take this methane. Oh, okay. That's extra.

38:12 It is it's a it is for the I think a once in a lifetime opportunity

38:16 where money is being transferred from the incredibly wealthy rich

38:22 to people who could use a break.

38:25 But you gotta be opportunistic,

38:27 you gotta be like an American.

38:28 You know, we do this all the time in America. This this state sucks. I'm moving to another state. But,

38:35 there's no opportunity here. I'm moving to that state where there's an opportunity. This happens all the time. This is our entire history. Well, that's why Texas is growing so much. People are coming here for for the jobs, for the opportunity

38:47 And the only thing I I I could see is there are some anecdotal stories about the noise of these data centers next to neighborhoods.

38:56 You know, one guy showed something about his cow. He had had a a live cow birth.

39:01 But you you're not seeing a lot of those. You're not seeing a ton of people saying that. You're, you know, you're getting a story here and there and and they may have some some validity to it. Absolutely. So it's just a matter of and and I don't really mind Texas going, hey, we're gonna take a pause and we're gonna look at these concerns and see what happens to see if there is an overlap of that. But I don't think it's gonna last very long. It's it's, you know, the we've had the But that's not even wise. It's being done because they're afraid of losing the midterms.

39:26 Well, sure. That's only till after the midterms and the study will be complete. And they're gonna be like, yeah. Here come the data center. Here's our governor with new rules. Let me tell you what I've done. I have pressed pause

39:36 on any new data center, being able to join the operations in the state of Texas. Other governors have done the same. Yeah. And and well, here's the deal. During that pause,

39:46 I have set guidelines and guardrails

39:49 that all data data centers have to comply with. Number one, they must identify

39:55 what water usage they're demanding and make clear they are not taking water from communities that need it. Number two,

40:03 they must not take power from the Texas power grid that's needed. Number three

40:08 no one's What does that mean? One's taking power from the Texas grid, governor. That's you've oh, man. Must actually lower the cost of electricity for consumers. They will.

40:18 Number four, they need to make sure that they are not disturbing,

40:22 neighborhoods or rural communities.

40:24 These are standards that are now being universally applied

40:27 by all the data centers in the state of Texas. Do you have a a coop for your power where you are?

40:33 We're under yeah. This it's it's

40:37 not, oh, I can't think of the name of it right now.

40:40 But it's it's has to do with the LCRA.

40:43 It's a

40:44 but it's a co op for like Eastern Hays County. Okay. We have a we have a co op here too. And and they're like, man, this is great. When when are you gonna hook up some kind of data center out here in the hill country where nobody lives and then, you know, build your power generator. We'll take it.

41:00 Well, you know, one thing I'm not good for is yeah. Don't even know what my electric bill is because my wife takes care of all that. But when we moved into the house, I did put solar on the house and mainly just because

41:11 we had gone through the, the time where all the power went out that winter storm in 2021 Yep. Where, you know, people lost power and I'm like, you know what? We'll at least be able to charge cell phones and keep our refrigerators running with this. It's not gonna power everything in the house but it'll do good enough.

41:25 And that's why that's why I got it even though it's never probably gonna make its money back. But for me it was, I could be traveling and if something goes wrong, we're gonna have some power. Yeah. We have, we got a we were in the same same situation in Austin. No power for five days. We couldn't get out because of the ice in a cul de sac on a kind of a like a On a hill. Yeah. 23 degree incline. We couldn't get out.

41:49 And so we got here, like, I I don't care what we're doing. We're I am buying a whole house Generac. I got one of those Generacs. It's expensive. It's

41:56 an investment for sure. Sure. But man, the power has never gone out since.

42:01 And you and with with the generators is cool. You could see it somewhat when it pops on, it's like, you'll feel the the power goes out and maybe maybe half a second or whatever then that thing kicks on and it's it's going. Yeah. And you hear this big clunk. The big switch that happens. By the way,

42:16 Indiana,

42:17 we have family in Indiana, they are still without power. That's amazing. Yeah. Right right near Geary, which of course is a very poor area.

42:26 And, you know, Texas definitely has done better than that. Here's we'll continue with the now that the hate, what is driving the hate for the data centers? I mean, we see it not just in Texas, we see it all over the country. I mean, some of these town hall meetings, some of these public hearings,

42:40 real anger.

42:42 What what is driving it? Is it the energy cost? Is it the what what is driving the anger? So one thing talking to people. One thing is the rapidity

42:51 that these data centers are coming online,

42:53 that people didn't see coming. The other,

42:56 is is the way that the data centers,

42:58 they didn't do their job,

43:00 to get the support of people in local communities.

43:04 Gaining the support of people in local communities is essential because they did not do that. That's why I am now coming in as governor saying, listen. If you're a data center and you wanna operate in Texas, you have to first get the approval of those in local communities. We can't fix this. And that's why I said that standard,

43:21 no data centers disturbing local communities in Texas. It it was last year that you said that Texas was the epicenter of the AI,

43:29 industry.

43:30 In hindsight,

43:31 did Texas move too fast? It wasn't Texas that that was moving fast. It was these data centers But they needed approval from from, you know, from in from the government.

43:41 Well, so what what what data centers were doing, and this is the problem that we are facing here in Texas, but you mentioned what's going on nationally. Sure. And and that is,

43:49 they pop up, in in places that nobody ever heard of before,

43:54 until they started the construction. And so they had not been working in collaboration with the state. They've not been working in collaboration with local governments. And so they basically dug their own grave for the problem that's been caused for them, and that's why they got the backlash they deserve. And that's why these new standards are in place to make sure they're not gonna be able to operate until they come into compliance with the standards that I have set. I'm telling you, this is just a sigh up. Democratic

44:20 party has done a great job in these in these Republican states.

44:24 You know? You know, that that's totally true. If they had gone and done something like an operation lock Step and figured out the messaging and then rolled it out the right way and then hired Willie Nelson to make songs about data centers, you know, that's what they didn't do. They didn't do it the right way. Remind of

44:43 Operation Lock Step. What was that? Well, so that took place, I think, in 2010 and that was a Johns Hopkins thing. And that and it was basically, if we're gonna have a pandemic, this is how we're gonna operate. These Oh, right. This is how we roll out messages to the media. They also had, the Spars

44:59 2020

45:00 something. It was Spars

45:02 Agenda. Oh, yeah. And that had a lot of actual, like, tweets

45:06 that you could

45:07 you you you look at these tweets out there and they were fake and part of the exercise. Copy paste. Copy paste. But then they're in the real world, and they're like, we're gonna get rappers to tell people to take the vaccine.

45:17 And Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton. And Dolly Parton vaccine.

45:20 Vaccine. And then when there's problems, we'll admit it a few years later, and we'll kinda bury it, which is that's the part that's kinda happening now is with the with the vaccine there. Like, yeah, there were some problems, but, you know, that's the way we we didn't know at the time. That's the way we It's me. I'm finally gonna get my vaccine. I'm so excited.

45:38 I've been waiting a while. I'm old enough to get it, and I'm smart enough to get it. So I'm very happy that I'm gonna get my Moderna shot. Moderna shot. And I wanted to tell everybody that you should get out there and do it too. I even changed one of my songs to the occasion. It goes, vaccine,

45:56 vaccine,

45:57 vaccine,

45:57 vaccine.

45:59 I'm begging of you. Please don't hesitate.

46:02 Vaccine,

46:03 vaccine,

46:04 vaccine,

46:05 vaccine.

46:06 Because once you're dead, then that's a bit too late.

46:09 Oh my goodness. That that's messaging right there. That that's what they didn't do. The these data centers didn't hire the right public relations firm.

46:19 Well, before before this, it was the BESS,

46:22 the BESS,

46:24 the battery

46:25 energy storage or big energy storage systems.

46:29 Oh god. That never worked. That was enough. Well, we had one

46:32 in the next county. It might have been Kendall County. I can't remember.

46:36 And, you know, and that was a big deal. And now it's the mosque and it's always gonna be something.

46:41 And I still don't know where the sleeper cells are of military age men from China who are going to attack us from from within. I I still that just no one's concerned about that anymore.

46:51 Well, they're all in US colleges at this point. That seems to be I I have some NTD clips about that very subject Okay. That we could get to whatever. Let's do it. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do Yeah.

47:01 So NTD

47:02 China US College one. The World Health Organization has very painful decisions to make according to its chief. He

47:10 described the large sudden drop in funding in US foreign aid as severe.

47:15 That's the wrong clip.

47:16 Yeah. I must have I must have given you the wrong clip or renamed it wrong. Which Well, which clip? Because I this is like a three and a half minute clips. Oh, wait. How about if it's here? Maybe it starts here. Hold on.

47:27 Let me see. This might be it, Rob. Hold on. I think I see your problem.

47:31 The Pentagon is ordering several universities to

47:35 infiltration from the Chinese Communist Party and other foreign adversaries.

47:39 Just how entrenched has the CCP become in higher education?

47:42 Entity's Washington correspondent Jack Bradley has more.

47:47 The Department of War this week notifying 30 universities they must audit their ties to foreign adversaries by the end of the month. Multiple outlets citing US officials report Harvard, MIT, Georgetown,

47:59 and other top schools are among them. These schools partner with universities or research facilities in China, Russia, or Iran. The Pentagon specifically naming China's rebranded Confucius Institutes,

48:11 which promote communist party sanctioned materials Covered on No Agenda. Campuses. Yep. Congressman John Molinar, chairman of the Select Committee on China, says these partnerships pose undeniable national security risks. Some analysts say infiltrating higher education is part of the Communist Party's playbook, a tactic it used a century ago to take power in China. The Chinese Communist Party views infiltration

48:34 of higher education as a key factor to overcome an enemy. What they did a hundred years ago to the nationalist was first elite capture

48:42 and simultaneously

48:44 grassroots

48:45 activism

48:46 to move things in the direction of the Chinese Communist Party. Here we are a hundred years later, and it looks like we're watching a replay.

48:53 You know, I'm surprised that no one has made the again, if you and I were doing the PR,

49:01 I mean, I'd say, hey,

49:03 you know, all these DSA

49:05 socialists,

49:06 they're clearly being controlled by China,

49:09 by the sleeper cells, Confucius Institute.

49:12 No one's making

49:14 that connection. It's such an obvious one.

49:18 No. It seems well, you know, people are I think people got pissed when Trump said we're gonna let, you know, China send in a few 100,000 Right.

49:26 Something

49:27 It like was a

49:29 was a decent sized number and and people were going, hey, that's gonna just prop up this current system that's creating, you know, the the social social justice warrior, pipeline.

49:39 You know, taking people from high school who are basically normal and then, you know, they come out with blue hair and nose ring. And

49:45 and,

49:46 you know, and so there is some there is some, validity to that, but I don't think it's I don't think that's what you're getting from China necessarily.

49:53 You're getting

49:55 China's probably well, in in clip

49:58 two,

49:59 it it goes through there's a a general or I guess they were auditing a class that was the Pentagon was putting on for, you know, top secret military work, and they go in there and it's being taught in Mandarin Chinese, which I I thought that was interesting. That's clip two. Is that With Pentagon funded projects being taught directly to Chinese nationals.

50:17 Department of Defense at the time had funded a class

50:20 on

50:22 on advanced weapon advanced weaponry

50:24 at a major Midwestern

50:26 University.

50:27 And when they walked in to do the spot check-in the class, they were teaching the class in Mandarin to not US students. So the program was ended. But it is still happening in different places,

50:37 in our country.

50:38 Yeah. Well, this of course is NTD who just hate everything China.

50:42 Oh, yeah. They they definitely do and and I mean, everything was anti anti Chinese. They they had what it was like Chinese voter fraud. I'm like, oh, what's this? It's one guy that they caught and he basically voted

50:53 I have this clip. He voted for his his neighbor or whatever that and then he tried to turn in his neighbor for voting illegally, but his neighbor actually could have voted if he wanted to because he had a A Chinese national has been Oops. Sorry. Go ahead. A Chinese national has been charged with voter fraud in Massachusetts.

51:10 The justice department says he submitted a fraudulent voter registration and ballot by impersonating

51:16 another Chinese national. The DOJ alleges 33 year old Yue Pin Sun voted in the twenty twenty four presidential election in the name of his victim who was a lawful permanent resident.

51:28 After registering to vote and casting a ballot, Sun allegedly sent a tip to homeland security investigations

51:34 in 2026

51:36 claiming his victim voted illegally.

51:38 Sun has also been accused of submitting two fraudulent immigration forms

51:43 on behalf of his victim and the victim's wife.

51:46 The DOJ says the couple had their green cards confiscated

51:49 as a result.

51:51 Sun faces charges of fraudulent voter registration and fraudulent voting.

51:55 Each count carries up to five years in prison along with a possible fine of up to $250,000.

52:02 The DOJ says Sun will be deported afterwards.

52:06 You know, I was watching we were watching the West Wing again last night. We're now in season four.

52:12 This is and it's it's so so odd to watch this because this is where

52:18 Martin Sheen, who's the president, he's running for reelection. He has MS. He's got multiple sclerosis,

52:23 which they hid.

52:25 Oh, he's trying to hide it. Yeah. And then they, you know, so he got censured

52:29 by congress and but he basically lied about it. And so there's a lot of Joe Biden type stuff in there, you know, it's like, wow, this is Like they knew. So it's it's very odd. But the the crazy thing was this is season four, I think episode seven or whatever. It's reelection night.

52:47 And

52:48 they have the election results and they call it

52:51 at 11PM eastern time. How dare they? It's like, wait a minute. We haven't counted the California mail in ballots. This is no good. We need one more month. It's so bizarre.

53:03 Just like in the and what is that? That's twenty a little more than twenty years ago?

53:08 And and we're now where we are today? That's just that's so insane. Well, you know, Florida had their election results like, by 07:30,

53:16 08:00 that night. I mean, was I'm like, why can't why can't everybody do it like Florida? They were they were done. We already knew.

53:22 The only thing that was weird, it looked like,

53:25 Dan Blazarian had votes taken from him. They showed some votes at one point and he had, like, 8,000, then the next drop, they're like, hey. He's down to 6,000. So that that was that was the only, coinkydink

53:36 Yeah. That I saw in that that, election. But that's you know, and who knows what what this

53:43 what what, any of this stuff means. But but this Chinese thing, you know, it's one guy and he was basically trying to get his neighbor kicked out of the country. Yeah. It wasn't even had nothing to do with politics,

53:54 which is interesting because, you know, you're like, what are the reasons of for voter fraud? Do you think, well, we wanna install this certain person. You know, this is how we're gonna do it. We're gonna give this guy all the votes with the voting machines. But here, you know, you have a Chinese guy going in and going, hey, I'm I'm trying to get rid of my neighbor. I don't I don't like his I don't like his cooking or whatever. Who knows why? But he was trying to get him kicked out and that was the way to do it, which is completely antithetical for every other reason you think people would commit voter fraud.

54:22 The

54:23 Strait Of Hormuz is

54:26 still hotly contested. We've moved towards a

54:30 strategy of more economic pressure

54:34 which

54:36 I even got a note from our producer in Bahrain.

54:40 He says, this is working.

54:42 He said, it's, you know, UAE is also cutting off all economic ties, so and that's your your general

54:52 Scott Patton Bessant at work Mhmm. Shutting everything down.

54:58 And

55:00 it's starting to now just

55:02 be obvious that we have been in control of the Hormuz.

55:06 I don't care what people think they're reading or or what and this is all to keep oil prices elevated for oil companies who are having just an incredible

55:16 bonanza profit year

55:18 on all of this. But we're close to parity

55:21 in what's being transported through the through the Straits Of Hormuz

55:25 as well as through the pipelines.

55:27 Probably about 20%

55:28 less,

55:29 but that shouldn't, you know, result in these high prices. So it that will rectify itself eventually.

55:37 Now here's a couple of clips about it. Well, we have things that we could sanction. We have very draconian

55:43 sanctions, and we'll see what happens. Did he say Caconian? What is He said draconian. He said draconian sanctions. It sounded like Caconian. We have very draconian

55:53 This sounds like Caconian.

55:55 I think you're missing the first part. It's like draconian. Things that we could sanction. We have very very draconian Okay. Sanctions, and we'll see what happens. Right now, the straight is open.

56:06 We got lot of boats that are coming through. Boats. Boats.

56:09 We got a lot of boats coming through. I got my outboard motor. And

56:13 my flat bottom boat. I got two barrels of oil on it. Let's go. Yeah. A lot of boats are coming through. People aren't reporting that, and that may slow down a little bit at some point. But right now, a lot of boats are coming through.

56:25 The naval blockade has been extremely effective.

56:29 Zero.

56:30 I mean, literally, while it's up, and it's been for quite a while, you know, except for a couple of little pauses where we opened it purposely at,

56:37 with a deal, but the deal didn't terminate you know, the deal didn't turn out to be what they said, you know, when they tell us one thing and they do another. But the blockade has been 100%

56:46 successful. No boats have gotten into Iran,

56:49 but they are getting in for other places. But we'll see. We're gonna see what happens. It'll either

56:55 be extremely good and oil prices are gonna drop like a rock or will

56:59 continue to do exactly what we're doing? You know, they were talking about 300 and Wait a minute. I'm trying to understand the logic. It'll be it'll be very successful or we continue to do what we're doing. It's gonna be great. Be extremely good and oil prices are gonna drop like a rock or will continue to do exactly what we're doing. You know, they were talking about $350

57:18 a barrel

57:19 and it's today $84.85.

57:21 Yeah. And also to be,

57:23 you know, factual about it, I remember during the course of this show, oil was above a 100 back in

57:31 wow.

57:31 The 2 tens, I think, the teens? Yeah. It was there was a point during Obama's presidency where I I actually rode my bike to a band practice I was in because I'm like, I don't feel like driving. It was the gas was like four something a gallon. It was ridiculous. That was like, you know, fifteen years ago. Yeah. Think I was in California at the time and it was That was probably $20 a gallon. It was 6 or 7. It was very expensive, 6 or $7.

57:56 Here is this is on CNN,

57:59 the colonel from CENTCOM,

58:01 and he's confirming

58:03 that that 10,000,000

58:05 barrels a day are moving through the o the Omani route. CENTCOM has quietly guided 10,000,000 barrels of oil a day in a self operation setting up a shipping corridor, hugging the coastline of Oman. You know, that's more than 80% of the liquids transiting through the Hormuz Strait over the past two weeks have taken this Omani route. That's about two thirds of prewar levels. The US has been blinding

58:28 Iranian radars and blanking them out and shooting down Iranian drones and cruise missiles. We're showing the tracking here of hugging the Oman

58:36 coastline there, bypassing

58:38 Iran here. What do you make of this? So this is great to be able to finally talk about this and see this in some graphics. Because

58:45 what's happening is It's been going on for a who's in the Straits Of Hormuz, particularly the US military So will you mind me that the Iranians do not have control of it, and they haven't closed it. Meanwhile, The US blockade is closing off all traffic to Iran, but letting out any other traffic that's not. Current ship tracking shows 10 to 15 ships a day for the last several months have been getting through the straits. Boats. And so those are this is what's happening is with the the navy's doing its job. And even CBS.

59:12 Yeah. The Cajun navy delivering oil now for both. CBS

59:17 confirms that this what CENTCOM says is true. While president Trump says The US controls that critical oil shipping route known as the Strait Of Hormuz, Iran

59:26 says that very same thing. Same assertion. They control the Strait. Well, here's what the president had to say about the Strait standoff.

59:33 You know, when they tell us one thing and they do another, but the blockade has been 100%

59:38 successful. No boats have gotten into Iran,

59:41 but they are getting in for other So

59:44 the president might have been referring to this report from Axios revealing a stealth operation that's millions of barrels of oil through the Strait. Two officials told Axios

59:53 the US military helps empty tankers enter The Gulf to get the oil and then leave under US protection.

1:00:00 Live now to CBS News senior national security correspondent Charlie Dagata. Charlie, what do you know about this? Well, first of all, Reed, I we don't have to hang in on Axios anymore. I can confirm those reports. Okay. Hold on a second. Axios, the shields for the Trump administration is we don't have to rely on them. It's true. Know about this. Well, first of all, Reed, I we don't have to hang in on Axios anymore. I can confirm those reports. Folks that I spoke to at central command and the navy said that the, US military and part of the naval blockade is to try to ensure the safe passage of ships along the Strait Of Hormuz, both in and out of the Strait. And they said that they have been repeatedly intercepting

1:00:38 Iranian drones and missiles trying to target those ships.

1:00:43 Okay.

1:00:44 Well, I do have a better description of Trump saying and he has a great pronunciation of Hormuz. Trump Hormuz is USA from and this is from a rally he did over the weekend. So we went down and we stopped them. They'll never have a nuclear weapon. They wanna make a deal so badly.

1:01:00 We don't even know if we want because I view the

1:01:03 Strait Of Hormoz as an American territory right It's an American territory. Hormoz. Hormoz. We're gonna call it the we've been calling it the Straits Of Hormoz for a long time, mister president. That's wonderful.

1:01:15 So he and that was the that was a rally I guess he took he did over the over the weekend. But, you know, he's he's calling it a US territory. He put out a a a tweet or a post, a true social post, and it showed the circle there. It is like US territory. Yes. He's saying,

1:01:30 this is ours. We could do what we want with it. I saw

1:01:33 another headline in the last couple days where now it's up to 15,000,000 barrels a day. So they're ramping it up. Oh, yeah. I think it just took time and they probably had to identify

1:01:41 coastal

1:01:42 spots where where the Iranians were gonna, you know, target

1:01:46 planes from or target the ships from. Yeah. And so taking those out, now they can do this. And the and the Oman side's apparently a lot deeper

1:01:53 than the than the Iranian side in the strait

1:01:56 by by like three times deeper. Yeah. It's a lot deeper over there. Yeah. So it's only they say 20 to 60 meters on the on the Iranian side and then it's like a 100 a 100 meters down on

1:02:09 on the other side. So it's it's a lot deeper. Well, we're being ripped off and we're being ripped off by

1:02:14 the oil trade. Just we just are. We're being ripped Sure. Off They're using the crisis as, you know, they're never letting it go to waste. You know, the ICE, the ICE Exchange is run by the

1:02:25 by The UK. And we got greedy oil guys in Texas too, you know, for the WTI.

1:02:30 Here's an example on I think this is CNBC.

1:02:32 We have a an analyst who knows everything about everything, obviously. Let's bring in Alima Croft, head of global commodity strategy at RBC Capital Markets. Alima, happy Friday. Thank thanks for the time. Good to see you.

1:02:43 Thank you for having me. So I'm We've been putting sanctions on Thank you for having me. I'm ready. I'm waiting to see the oil go up. On Iran off and on for for decades.

1:02:52 How how do you think this new chapter might be different?

1:02:55 I mean, is it gonna be different this time? I mean, Iran is one of the most sanctioned countries in the world. The question is, is this going to change Iran's behavior, or do the Iranian leadership believe that they can outlast us at this point, that we want this war to end before they do? I mean, I do think that the double blockade is clearly

1:03:12 hurting Iranian oil exports. The question is what more can be done? Are we really gonna go after Russia and China, which helped Iran militarily?

1:03:22 I mean, that remains What?

1:03:24 Why do we have to do that?

1:03:26 They're

1:03:27 not they are not supporting Iran at all anymore at China ran away immediately.

1:03:34 Russia's like,

1:03:35 no. Okay. We're not they they they're busy,

1:03:39 you know, getting ready to obliterate Ukraine.

1:03:41 Right. And the analyst is like, why haven't they gone and started wars with these guys? They've gone after them. Like, what what are we doing here? Well, exports, the question is what more can be done? Are we really gonna go after Russia and China, which helped Iran militarily?

1:03:55 I mean, that remains to be seen. But I've never heard of that happening before.

1:04:00 A bigger country helping out a smaller country during a war. I don't I've where does that happen? I've never heard of that. I think there's a view that Iran believes that they can outlast us. Here's what the treasury secretary, Haleema, said yesterday on the show about what they're gonna announce.

1:04:14 If we are doing

1:04:15 maximum economic

1:04:17 pressure, then that means that likely there will not be a large scale kinetic restart. But I would emphasize that is for now. And

1:04:27 look, we we do have control of of the Strait.

1:04:31 Scott Besson, as much as I like what he's doing, he is just he sucks as a public speaker.

1:04:36 He really can't. He's a stutterer. Oh. He He's trying to figure out the right words each time Can he instead of like just preparing something. I just look at him speak, I can only see Elizabeth Warren's face. There's something about he just looks like Elizabeth Warren where

1:04:51 this woman continues, I think. So, Olima, I mean, that this sort of newfound posture, you think it works? Think it does too. Hey. Look. Iran is still firing on ships in the Strait Of Hormuz. Yes. The US is escorting some ships to the Omani Channel,

1:05:05 but Iran still has clear capabilities

1:05:08 to fire missiles at ships to What missiles?

1:05:11 No. They have they may have drones. I don't think they have missiles left. To fire missiles at ships,

1:05:17 to do drone strikes on infrastructure

1:05:19 in the region. I mean, look at what has happened to Kuwait in terms of power plants being hit, the nation facilities

1:05:27 being hit. So Iran still had significant

1:05:30 disruptive capabilities.

1:05:31 Yeah. I got I got some feedback from

1:05:35 from some parents of

1:05:38 people on

1:05:40 USS

1:05:40 Lincoln on boats Mhmm. Really big beautiful boats.

1:05:44 And

1:05:44 and and, you know, and I understand. They're like, the show criticized

1:05:49 this. I'm like, no. It was a naval This is my father-in-law. A naval aviator and a Vietnam veteran. So, you know, they have stand we were just relaying the message. Now granted,

1:05:59 it is just two people.

1:06:01 But, you know, but they kinda wind up with, you know, like, you can't send anything Amazon only one Amazon package got I'm like, Amazon can send a package to the link? That

1:06:11 That's pretty badass. That by itself is pretty amazing.

1:06:14 You know, you know, you try spending two hundred days on a tin can and and my reply was, first of all, anyone who signs up for armed services in in my book right away is already a hero, is more courageous

1:06:28 than most people I know,

1:06:31 should be revered and they know what they're signing up for. Right. They they know what this and I love them for that.

1:06:38 And I understand that you as a parent, as a husband, as a wife, as a child,

1:06:43 you're you're concerned, you're upset,

1:06:45 I get it. You know, my whole family is is military at at minimum intelligence at best.

1:06:52 And I'm the black sheep.

1:06:53 But I got this great note from boots on the ground.

1:06:58 Our boots on the ground said anonymous.

1:07:01 On the ship? Were they on the ship? With regards to the sailors, Iran and hygiene, I was deployed supporting Epic Fury as well. But I was on the dry land portion of it as a soldier under NAVCENT,

1:07:13 that's naval central command.

1:07:15 The best way to describe the living situation and the complaints is that while it isn't great, so this person was on the Lincoln,

1:07:22 it most certainly could be worse. A phrase to keep in mind is that it's the God given right of every soldier to bitch.

1:07:29 Closely followed by, if they aren't complaining,

1:07:32 something's wrong.

1:07:33 Right. Give a soldier a solid brick of gold, they'll complain it's too heavy.

1:07:37 As far as moldy showers go, they may have screwed up and not ordered enough cleaning supplies and they can't exactly make a run to go buy some more. But responsibility for keeping those facilities

1:07:47 clean belongs to those same sailors complaining.

1:07:51 Sending out a picture of moldy showers eight months into a deployment doesn't have the same implications as service members deploying into moldy conditions.

1:07:59 The problem can be traced back to those living in those conditions. He's kind of putting it on themselves.

1:08:04 On the other hand, imagine the worst parts of Groundhog Day. And this is the part that got me because yeah, I can I can barely imagine how

1:08:13 how tough this gig is, this job?

1:08:15 You wake up, you go do the same thing every day, you never know when when it's going to end, but unlike Groundhog Day, if you screw up, you and your friends die. There's no weekend when you get

1:08:26 off shift that's back to your room or bunk, maybe to sleep before doing it again. They may not be in muddy trenches, but the mental wear and tear is real and hard to imagine if you haven't lived through it.

1:08:36 On a warmer note, it took me far too long to redeploy, but at least I had started moving and could break the monotony from shift work. Sitting at breakfast one morning with another soldier flying back with me, we're shooting the breeze discussing the peace deal back in June.

1:08:50 June.

1:08:51 Wow. And the implications for the Iranian and American economies. I brought up

1:08:56 I brought up using the lens of confessions of an economic hitman to view the deal from and without a missing beat, he looks at me and goes, man, there's this podcast I think you'll really like that deals with media deconstruction.

1:09:09 He proceeds to tell me about No Agenda. Nothing could have brought me more joy than dropping some nightly credentials in response. Listeners really are everywhere and hiding in plain sight. Keep up the great work. It goes an incredibly long way.

1:09:22 And so yes, it it is a war and

1:09:25 I mean,

1:09:26 it's it's it's hard.

1:09:29 I know it's hard for people. Look, I'm old, I'm six I'll be 62 in

1:09:34 crap,

1:09:35 Like, less than two weeks. Wow.

1:09:37 Thanks, Rob. Wow.

1:09:41 And I still maintain I'm gen x.

1:09:44 I was the face I think you are. Yeah. You you're on the cusp. You're one of those cuspers. Yeah. They call it the I think the Johnson generation or something, which doesn't sound good to me at all. But anyway

1:09:55 Depends on who you are. But this

1:09:58 Iran has been a problem. Iran has been a problem for the Iranians.

1:10:02 Look at how that country changed. And by the way,

1:10:06 1946,

1:10:07 1979,

1:10:08 we screwed it all up. We did it. We did it. And then we believed, you know, in '79, we're like, oh, no, everything's gonna be fine and then it wasn't fine. So this is something that had to be fixed eventually

1:10:20 and

1:10:21 here's a president that's just gonna do it and it will be better for the world.

1:10:26 It will be It's gonna take some it's gonna take a little it's not gonna be easy. That's the thing. None of this stuff No. Is easy. None of this stuff It never getting a ship getting ships out there to the Persian Gulf and multiple ships and changing them out. All these are giant under complicated undertakings.

1:10:41 And and, yeah, it should not be taken lightly.

1:10:44 I, you know, I was looking at these videos going,

1:10:47 it's moldy showers and clogged toilets. It's not Is it really that bad? Maybe it is. I bet the stench is probably pretty bad. Well, your comparison to a Burning Man hit a lot of people.

1:10:57 Well, you know A lot of people like that a lot. I still have and it that was kind of sort of an offhanded comment, but there that's you know, you're you're living on these porta pot you have porta potties there. And if they're not,

1:11:09 you know, sucked

1:11:11 out every day, it gets pretty bad and they missed a day. Yeah. And it was like, I'm not, you know, you'd oh, you're looking at each one going, oh my God. And each one you're like, okay, that's even worse. Oh my okay.

1:11:23 Alright. I guess I'm not gonna, eat today.

1:11:27 That's work. So with the with the eating, you know, we we get to the affordability crisis which no one denies. Oh, beef. Yeah. Well, Where's the beef? Before we get to the beef,

1:11:37 I really tried to understand this what what we did with the long term bonds and the t bills, the short term bonds just to understand

1:11:46 what this is that what is happening

1:11:49 or what really what happened for a moment and didn't happen.

1:11:52 And this is the idea here by Bess, because this is the guy, Bess is doing it,

1:11:59 is to lower interest rates

1:12:02 without

1:12:03 the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates.

1:12:06 And the way you do that is to

1:12:09 make the

1:12:11 but he basically bought up, treasury bought up a lot of the thirty year bonds, which are the loans, you know, thirty year loans, that's how we print money in America is we we write a bond and then, you know, you buy it from us and we

1:12:26 take that money and spend it on, you know, stuff like military.

1:12:31 And and the and the way you pay for it is by writing short term bonds, which are typically three months, the t bills they call them, which are seen as cash

1:12:41 in the market. You you can spend it as cash.

1:12:45 And

1:12:45 for a moment there, it worked because the long term

1:12:50 yield as they call it, basically the the interest that you get paid back on those long term bonds went down.

1:12:57 And everything is priced upon that including your mortgage and your car loan and all of this stuff. So the idea was good

1:13:05 but it only lasted for maybe a session and a half and it started to go up again, which means they'll probably have to do it again.

1:13:13 And it looks like he will do it and he will do it at an even greater rate. And here is here's here's the general himself.

1:13:20 So tell talk us through what

1:13:22 you are trying to do here by announcing the increased size of the buybacks.

1:13:26 Yeah. They we're we're trying to signal that we think that, you know, this is a thinly traded area of the market that we're we're in August and

1:13:36 there's been a lot of corporate issuance that's influenced the market.

1:13:41 And, you know, we we believe that there are many underlying factors

1:13:45 in turn that the market is not looking at. What so what he's saying here is that a lot of money has been raised

1:13:53 in corporate bonds, which is all of this AI money. The money your kids should be going out and taking from these from these nut jobs on Wall Street. That's that's what he's saying and because of that, there's the market's distorted.

1:14:06 And, you know, we we are going to make a market the in these. We routinely

1:14:12 do buybacks and we're gonna increase the size of the buyback.

1:14:15 And, you know, sir, I would note that it could be more than the 4,000,000,000

1:14:20 per issue.

1:14:21 More. Yeah. I I I was gonna ask how how big this could get if if if the signal here is that you're not happy with the direction of yields. You know, they've they've gone back the other way. We've we've erased most of the treasury rally that you got yesterday with that big surprise. So how much more are you willing to do?

1:14:38 Well, again,

1:14:40 we we have a big toolkit, so we'll we'll see. And

1:14:43 part of it is signaling here and to show that we we believe that the yields don't reflect the underlying fundamentals.

1:14:51 Now, not in this interview,

1:14:53 but the way the underlying fundamentals are seen is because

1:14:57 of the

1:14:58 the tariff money that went back to corporations,

1:15:01 which by the way is not going back to you. No. Just I just want you to know, it's not going back to you. The corporations,

1:15:09 they didn't even have to pay. They they got discounts, they negotiated all kinds of the different rates with the suppliers. I mean And they get a refund. And they got and which is your court's doing that. Okay.

1:15:22 So that has distorted the market, that's distorted the liquidity, the amount of money the treasury has. But the funny thing is that this is not a new thing. It was called the twist,

1:15:32 the treasury twist, and it's been done before. The dependence on foreign

1:15:36 bondholders,

1:15:37 for instance, we saw the intervention in the Japanese yen,

1:15:40 and that's erased a lot of a lot of the progress there. And so there are kind of all these worries at once about what's gonna happen ultimately with these holders of treasurers. You know, again, people have bad information. I have asymmetric

1:15:53 information. Woo.

1:15:56 Asymmetric.

1:15:57 So No. I think that He's got something. He's got a very big tool kit, ladies and gentlemen. The market should think, well, why would we have joined the Japanese in the intervention at this time? Uh-huh. Why? Do we know something the market doesn't know? That in terms of being willing to do, you know, what I would call a treasury twist here in terms of the bond market, what do what do I know that the market doesn't know?

1:16:21 You know, I I think the market's probably gotten a little ahead of itself. I I love this. I've got a secret, boys and girls. What what do I know with my asymmetric

1:16:33 did you say asymmetric? Yes. Asymmetric information

1:16:36 that you don't know. Stand by. Why did we help Japan?

1:16:40 Well, I don't know if you heard this. I heard an end of show mix. Come on, baby. Let's

1:16:46 do the treasury twist. No. I Yes. I heard I heard the yes. I heard Chubby Checker. I also heard the Peppermint Twist, the Treasury Twist. Dude, the pep the well, how did that go? The the Peppermint Twist.

1:16:59 I don't remember that one. Yeah. But that's because I'm a boomer. Hold on a second.

1:17:04 The let me see. Peppermint

1:17:06 peppermint

1:17:08 twist

1:17:09 song.

1:17:10 Okay. That was a classic. See, I grew up with with all that. Joey D and the Starlighters.

1:17:16 There you go. Joey D. Joey D and the Starlighters. Let me see if I can find this.

1:17:23 Oh yeah, baby.

1:17:25 1961.

1:17:27 Three years before this boomer came to earth. Okay.

1:17:37 Alright. And the show, mixers. Get to it. That's right. You got two choices. Yeah. You got two choices, Chubby Checker. Chubby Checker or Joey Dee. Exactly. Now here here's the crazy thing.

1:17:49 The this is again, I said it's not new. Listen to this. Activist

1:17:53 treasury

1:17:54 issuance.

1:17:55 That term was coined in 2024

1:17:57 by Rubini and Stephen Myron

1:18:00 when Yellen did this. Yellen. And at the time, they wrote and warned that her move they're they're now doubling what she began.

1:18:08 That her move was equivalent to lowering rates Right. By a full point.

1:18:13 Myron, of course, would go on to become Trump's key adviser and Yeah. Down the Fed himself.

1:18:18 So I think

1:18:21 according to them, these moves do have a big economic

1:18:25 impact. Yeah. They do. So Yellen did this. She was criticized for it, not just by Trump's financial advisers, but by this guy. It has been the policy of the government and successive treasuries. Now, Yellen did some of this too,

1:18:40 to not do that, to not be opportunistic.

1:18:43 Right. That you go in and you buy bonds and you know the government is not going to gain your purchase,

1:18:48 for example, on the day of a twenty a twenty year auction. But she's twist

1:18:53 towards bill issuance, and it's just continued. Right. Who by the way, who criticized it? Scott Bess has criticized it. Who criticized it? Kevin Morris criticized it. And now they're doing the same thing, but but in much bigger proportions right now. And Landmark's talking about bigger.

1:19:08 It's That's what Bess said. So the

1:19:11 victim of this and the reason they do this, and I think he will do a lot more

1:19:16 for a couple of reasons. One is to drive down the interest rates and it I think that will work,

1:19:22 but the victim of it is the dollar. It's basically

1:19:25 debasement

1:19:26 of the dollar.

1:19:28 So while your interest rate

1:19:30 may go down,

1:19:32 your actual purchasing power also goes down. Now it takes some time for that to shake out in the market,

1:19:38 but that's, you know, no one ever talks about that, oh, my mortgage went down. And, you know, the the sad thing is that your

1:19:45 your purchasing power also goes down, which is exactly why you saw Bitcoin skyrocket

1:19:51 and hold.

1:19:52 I think it's still hold. I can't see it right now, but it's still around 77,000.

1:19:57 And but here's here's the thing.

1:20:00 The play here

1:20:01 by Besant and by president Trump

1:20:04 is to grow our way out of it. For the $40,000,000,000,000

1:20:08 mark that we passed for the national debt, would you comment on that and how do we reverse that? Yeah. It's look. The the 40,000,000,000,000, it's a big number. It is smaller when we look at the publicly

1:20:18 traded amount because our Social Security funds and other government entities hold a substantial

1:20:24 amount.

1:20:25 And what we're gonna do, we're gonna have to grow our way out of this. And, as I talked about at at g twenty in Asheville, we are going to talk about The US growth strategy and encourage the rest of the world to come along with us. We are also, you know, I announced that, director

1:20:42 Russ Vogt and I,

1:20:44 have been tasked with looking at fiscal consolidation.

1:20:48 I think the numbers have,

1:20:50 are not the actual numbers now. We've had to do substantial tariff refunds due to the court ruling,

1:20:56 but

1:20:57 they with the section three zero one tariffs, I am confident that we will be back to

1:21:02 a, the same level, if not higher, of tariff income for last year, and that is most of the increase in the deficit. And remember, we did not get here in a day that we were left with a mess. The Biden administration

1:21:16 Oh, yes. Had the highest deficit to GDP in history when we weren't at war or weren't in a recession. Recession. For 2025,

1:21:25 we brought it down by more than a percent. Yeah. General Besant, no one cares about the previous guy. No. They don't. Nobody cares. You know, I was just I was just looking at the, last five years of mortgage rates. You know, 2021,

1:21:37 it's 3%.

1:21:38 Mhmm. You go to 2022,

1:21:40 October, 7%. That's huge. Boom. And and then,

1:21:45 it got even higher in 2023,

1:21:47 October, seven point eight nine percent. Almost 8%. No one was complaining.

1:21:51 No. They weren't complaining like they are now and it's at 6.76.

1:21:55 It it seemed it was trending down. What's interesting, it was trending down till February '20 right before we went to Iran, it was 6.17,

1:22:03 now it's up to 6.76.

1:22:06 So it's trending up and I think they're they're trying to do what they can to keep going up even more. Yeah. The problem is that people just aren't making enough money. That's Right. You know, that's the problem and that is always because of money printing, debasement.

1:22:21 This is you could call this quantitative easing but it isn't exactly the same. But this brings

1:22:27 the the Mar A Lago Accords as I've called them for close

1:22:31 to two years now, brings this into play.

1:22:35 This is where the stable coin gambit comes into play.

1:22:38 So the reason the

1:22:40 the in the the yields on the thirty year treasury bonds are high is because people don't want American debt. Why don't they want a lot of debt? Because it's $40,000,000,000,000

1:22:49 already like, these guys haven't gotta pay it back. It seems unlikely.

1:22:53 So we need to create a way

1:22:55 to have people take our debt.

1:22:59 And this is why

1:23:01 general patent becent is swapping out the long term bonds for these ninety day short term bonds known as t bills because this is what

1:23:11 stablecoin

1:23:12 is backed by

1:23:14 and there's 300,000,000

1:23:15 people around the world

1:23:18 in economies where they have their own money and it's sucking

1:23:23 and they just want dollars.

1:23:25 And this is how we're it's not forever.

1:23:28 It may be for my grandchild.

1:23:30 I don't know about my great grandchild,

1:23:32 but this is the gambit they're gonna do now. Here's an explainer of stablecoin

1:23:37 once again. Let's talk about stablecoins because this is a type of digital or cryptocurrency

1:23:42 whose value is pegged to an asset. Most often, it's pegged to the US dollar.

1:23:48 Now so unlike Bitcoin, for example, or Ethereum whose prices can swing wildly, stablecoins are backed by reserves such as cash or US short term treasuries or T bills to keep their value fixed.

1:24:01 The market for stablecoins has exploded as of 2025 like you just said. Some estimates put that at $300,000,000,000.

1:24:09 Citi, for example,

1:24:10 predicts that a figure could top $1,500,000,000,000

1:24:14 by 2030 or 3,500,000,000,000

1:24:17 in a bull case scenario.

1:24:19 So Wow. This is this is a this is the only it's

1:24:24 the way they chose is not the only way. Of course, it would be great if we, you know, if we just went into a severe depression and we reset everything. That's not gonna happen. Nobody wants it. You know, it's

1:24:35 just You think it's hard now for groceries? Wait till Exactly. The depression happens. Exactly. Know, don't have a job.

1:24:43 Dominate the space.

1:24:44 The largest by far is Tether, a private company known for its coin USDT.

1:24:50 Circle, which went public in junior recall,

1:24:53 issues a stablecoin known as USDC.

1:24:55 Together, they control more than 80%

1:24:58 of the global stablecoin

1:25:00 market.

1:25:01 The majority of the money that's backing those coins are parked in US treasury bills, and that is a big reason why the US government is encouraging the use of stablecoins and passed landmark legislation over the summer, creating guardrails for the industry itself.

1:25:15 Issuers have become major buyers of short term government debt, effectively creating new demand for treasuries

1:25:23 and extending the reach of the US dollar worldwide.

1:25:26 So this is the this they call it the euro dollar, but this is the dollar that all these other countries are going to use. They already are using it. Venezuela was using it. The Iran Iranians are using it.

1:25:39 Now,

1:25:40 what happens in in America is people will always run as fast as they can

1:25:46 to

1:25:47 hard assets,

1:25:48 gold and silver.

1:25:50 And honestly,

1:25:51 you

1:25:52 know, I don't know if gold coins and silver coins is really the way to go. I mean, the prices, how that works, it's such a it's kinda scam. I mean, it's just the fact that Ben Shapiro was selling gold coins. It's gotta tell you something. I said that they they can't be a great deal. You wanna look at if you're gonna do that, don't go for anything.

1:26:09 Oh, this is historic.

1:26:10 You're gonna pay, you know, $8,000

1:26:12 an ounce instead of four whatever the price of of Yeah.

1:26:16 Gold is. Yeah. And this

1:26:18 that whole thing is very sketchy.

1:26:21 The reason why Bitcoin is going is because it is by definition a hard asset.

1:26:28 And the money people know it. They let's look at who has who's holding Bitcoin. The same companies,

1:26:36 you know And they're getting more. They keep They keep buying more and more and more.

1:26:41 And, you know,

1:26:43 I I'm not giving anybody financial advice but I'm planning on it

1:26:47 because I it's just so easy to sell, to buy,

1:26:51 so much easier than gold

1:26:53 and It's easy to lose too. You lose that you lose that hash. You're Well,

1:26:58 so we do have the and I'm not a fan of that, but we do have these ETFs

1:27:03 and, you know, that is essentially

1:27:05 buying exposure to Bitcoin. That's probably a relatively safe way to do it and you can do it now through your through your bank, your brokerage account if you have one. Your 401 k, I mean, you can, you know, you can go online and sign up and you can and you can put money into it. I think that's probably a pretty safe way.

1:27:22 Because this

1:27:24 our money, our treasury, our debt is being tokenized as the first real thing to be tokenized across the world. I'm not saying that I'm a fan of it,

1:27:34 but it's a fact. This this is what is happening. What is tokenized treasury debt? Government debt is one of the oldest and largest financial markets in the world. Treasury bonds are normally traded through banks, brokers, and clearing houses with settlement times measured in days. Tokenized treasury debt takes those same bonds and represents them as tokens on a blockchain. The underlying asset does not change. What changes is how it is stored, transferred, and traded. Tokenization means creating a digital digital token that represents ownership of a real world asset. In this case, the asset is a government bond or treasury bill. Each token corresponds to a claim on the underlying security. The token lives on a blockchain, which is a shared ledger that records who owns what without requiring a central clearinghouse.

1:28:20 This does not mean the bond itself disappears.

1:28:22 The bond still exists in the traditional financial system. The token is a wrapper that makes it easier to move, divide, and trade. A $1,000,000

1:28:30 treasury bill could be tokenized into a thousand tokens worth a thousand dollars each,

1:28:35 allowing smaller investors to participate.

1:28:38 No. Investors. Okay. And that's what this whole clarity act is about is the guys doing the stable coin,

1:28:46 they want to which and you know, a stable coin being backed by treasury as far as I'm concerned is as good as a a US dollar.

1:28:53 The banks hate this

1:28:55 because the banks and the way the banks are going about it is saying, well,

1:29:00 what if you run out of money? Because of course, the stablecoin can't unless they're illegally making stablecoins

1:29:07 aren't backed by treasuries, yeah, then that's a problem. But that's pretty highly regulated

1:29:11 that was set out in the Genius Act.

1:29:14 So the Clarity Act

1:29:15 is what the banks want to prohibit

1:29:19 the stable coin companies

1:29:22 from giving out incentives,

1:29:24 interest,

1:29:25 benefits,

1:29:27 points, you know, all of this stuff because that's what banks think they're supposed to do. But banks inherently are run on fake money, completely fictional

1:29:35 nonsense money.

1:29:37 So

1:29:37 I'm definitely going to be

1:29:40 for the idea of using stable coin than a bank. Look at Silicon Valley Bank. I literally still have a Silicon Valley Bank debit card from when

1:29:49 I had my company in San Francisco

1:29:52 and we were

1:29:53 we had VC funding from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia and all those guys.

1:29:58 And boy, you go, well, we're gonna give you this money but you're gonna keep it in Silicon Valley Bank. Wow. I mean, we we we got a we got a way clean on that one.

1:30:08 Because banks do go bankrupt.

1:30:10 But the problem is is that these

1:30:13 these twists, these treasury twists, this buyback,

1:30:16 it never lasts forever. It can last for a long time, it can work for a long time and who knows, maybe we can grow ourselves out of it. I don't know that'll all depend, you know, the these three zero one tariffs which

1:30:28 are very easy to implement,

1:30:31 you know, the the president has all really has a number of ways he can put all those tariffs back on.

1:30:37 Here's the analogy of buying your monetizing your debt, buying your own bonds. Treasury Department's attempt to lower yields not quite achieving its goal this week. Yields back to where they were before the intervention was announced and actually are higher than they were a week ago.

1:30:52 What at what point could rates start to become a threat to the equity rally? Joining us now is Bernstein Private Wealth Management senior investment strategist, Roosevelt Bowman. Good to see you. Welcome. Thank you for having me, Mike. Let's just start right there. I mean, you know, we have yields higher,

1:31:07 maybe not absolute levels that are threatening in particular, but I guess the why kind of matters if it's just kind of this voracious demand for new debt. And and I guess at some point, what it might mean for somebody, with an equity portfolio. For sure. And I think the why kind of comes down to two factors. Number one, you think about the inflationary pressures that are coming from the ongoing conflict in The Middle East and higher prices of oil. The other would be kind of what's the credibility in terms of both monetary and fiscal policy. I think part of the reason you saw that retracement in yields is that many investors kind of view that buyback announcement as having a beach ball in the pool, putting your hand on it. As soon as you move your hand, it goes right back up. And I think that's really the challenge for the the fiscal policy right now is that often when you're doing those sorts of measures, you're trying to buy time, and you're looking for other macro or monetary forces that are more powerful and durable to take over. Unfortunately,

1:32:00 that buyback announcement didn't buy a whole lot of time, and now, you know, the treasury is is kind of in a tough position. They're gonna have to do it again. They're gonna have to do more, come up with something else. And the Clarity Act,

1:32:12 which I don't know what's in it anymore because there's been so it's been bopping around so many times.

1:32:18 I think

1:32:19 the stable coin guys will get some kind of capability

1:32:24 to hand out

1:32:25 points or something.

1:32:27 They're making a lot of money by the way. I mean, you you get three or 4% on a t bill,

1:32:34 you know, that's that's ninety days.

1:32:37 I mean, and you're just make you're and people are taking these stablecoins

1:32:40 offhand.

1:32:41 It's guaranteed. You're I mean, they're make these are the smallest companies with the largest revenue in history.

1:32:47 They're making hundreds of millions of dollars a month just by holding these treasury bills, which their customers are are buying from them. But they're not really buying it, they're just getting to use it. They're the guys that hold them. So it's So they're keeping the interest. Yeah. Of course. So they'll give you some points.

1:33:04 Yeah. You know, some frequent flyer miles or something and and everybody can make a stable coin. Amazon will have a stable coin. Google will have a stable coin. And I'm sure they'll be giving you all kind Elon will have a stablecoin.

1:33:16 He already has his x money. Just wait for it. And this Clarity Act is what it all hinges on. The most important priority

1:33:23 is for congress to send the Clarity Act to your desk for your signature.

1:33:29 That was president Trump meeting with tech and crypto leaders at the White House. The president and chair of the SEC are calling for congress to pass the Clarity Act that would decide which government agency regulates digital tokens rather than allowing crypto companies to operate in a legal gray area. Let's bring in the cofounder and CEO of Coinbase, Brian Armstrong. He was at that meeting yesterday.

1:33:49 Really appreciate you joining us, Brian.

1:33:51 Yeah. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Okay. So let let's get really, really concrete here. You spent years saying the biggest problem in American crypto is a lack of regulatory clarity. So if the Clarity Act passes the senate, in September, which it's it's up for a vote then, ultimately becomes law, what changes for an ordinary Coinbase customer that actually makes them safer? Yeah. So this bill, the Clarity Act, it's coming up for this vote on September 15, a full senate floor vote.

1:34:18 It has a number of consumer protections that would make sure something like FTX could never happen again.

1:34:24 It has strong tools for law enforcement to go after illicit activity.

1:34:29 It also has the opportunity to create new products in crypto that would benefit Americans,

1:34:34 including, you know, earning rewards on their stablecoin There it is. Balances. Your points. The ability to go raise capital in crypto, you know, capital formation

1:34:42 or issuing securities. Like, that's something that could be much more efficient, have lower fees.

1:34:46 And I think Bitcoin is telling us this is gonna pass. And I think it's telling us it's gonna pass in September

1:34:52 Because if this passes,

1:34:54 stable coin bonanza is on, the whole world gets flooded with our dollars, which they'll love using because it's going to this whole system is gonna screw the Euro, it's gonna screw everything.

1:35:05 We become the ultimate

1:35:07 reserve currency, but everybody can participate in that through your stable coin

1:35:12 and

1:35:13 hard assets like Bitcoin, gold, silver

1:35:16 will increase

1:35:18 I think a lot.

1:35:20 I I have a vested interest in it increasing And a

1:35:25 yeah, the downside is is that if you're using stable coin,

1:35:29 unlike cash, it can be turned off,

1:35:33 you know, all you know, it is in effect a digital dollar that will that has control.

1:35:38 Not like your credit card is any different.

1:35:42 Your bank account even. People people have lost bank accounts, people have lost and and that didn't do anything

1:35:49 illegal,

1:35:50 essentially. They were just labeled.

1:35:52 They got a labeling. Or your PayPal.

1:35:54 Yeah. And that that happened to Alex, happened to Nick Fuentes. It's happened to a number of people who, you know, the when the government wants to go after you, they're going to find a way to Yes. Come after you. And that that is the genius act. I think the banks got pissed off about that because it was sort of a wild west. Yes. And they're looking at, hey, we gotta come back and, you know, we're still the banks. We still we still get to run the financial system. We don't want this going off to a bunch of, you know, crazy And there will be and there will be I I mean, this is anti bank, this whole stable coin idea, which I think is good. So there will be no more bank bailouts.

1:36:30 You know, you're every the world is participating

1:36:32 in the bailout of The United States by Yeah. By buying our debt whenever we need to buy, you know, a couple more manufacture

1:36:40 some more missiles

1:36:42 for Ukraine or any bells anyone else who wants to buy them. And we'll keep the oil flowing. That's And we And trade off. And we'll keep the oil flowing and we'll keep the security over the oil. That's what it is. May not be your utopia,

1:36:55 but I think it'll be better than where we might have been or where we could be headed.

1:36:59 And it doesn't matter if it's a Republican

1:37:02 Congress or a Democrat Congress. This is irrelevant

1:37:05 to that. It's irrelevant and outside of it. If they can get it done in two and a half more years.

1:37:13 Yeah. It's, you know, it with all these things, you know, people look back my son was asking me about Bitcoin the other day. He said, why didn't you buy Bitcoin? I'm like, well, we laughed at Bitcoin when we first heard about it. And I remember Max Kaiser coming. Too, brother. Was like, you gotta get Bitcoin. You gotta get your Bitcoin. It was like $5.

1:37:31 And I had I have friends who had lots of Bitcoin and used it to buy pizzas who are probably kicking themselves,

1:37:37 to this day.

1:37:38 And you

1:37:40 don't know

1:37:41 which is gonna be the the winner and which is gonna be the loser.

1:37:44 But now with the with some of these things, now you can kinda tell because the government is gonna kinda pick winners and losers and it's it that's what it normally does

1:37:52 in in these big things like this. There's always gonna be some group that's gonna,

1:37:56 benefit from it, especially with the the genius act that seem to be going towards,

1:38:02 you know, the wild west of stable coin and and creating it. And the banks like, wait a minute, wait a minute, we gotta we gotta put a kibosh on some of this stuff and make sure that we're making our money because we we still

1:38:13 they're trying to just say we're still important essentially. And I you know, Scott Bess, and who knows what he's thinking at this point? He might be thinking, you know, I came into the financial sector now I'm going to change

1:38:24 it in a way that is it can't be

1:38:27 oh,

1:38:28 it can't easily be destroyed like it was, you know, in 2000 We and have no choice. We have no choice.

1:38:35 This and and a lot of this okay.

1:38:38 Blame it on Trump. Fine. This is this is this is COVID,

1:38:42 the COVID trillions of dollars.

1:38:45 This is all the money that was printed to get us out of the

1:38:49 know, there was a lot of problems with the with the overnight

1:38:54 bank exchange. I'm

1:38:56 can't go over the number with the name of it now.

1:39:00 During COVID right before COVID, actually, we had the

1:39:04 the collateralized

1:39:07 debt

1:39:08 crisis of 2007,

1:39:10 2008.

1:39:11 I mean, is all the banks. The banks have been doing this for a year. And of course, it goes back to 1971.

1:39:16 We went off the gold standard, which you can say was the worst thing ever. On the other hand,

1:39:22 you know, it made America very very prosperous in a very short amount of time and then everybody got greedy and off shored everything to China and to other countries.

1:39:32 And, you know, I think with the steel tariffs and American steel coming back,

1:39:37 the Hamiltonian

1:39:38 system,

1:39:39 the American system with tariffs and the tariffs are coming right back, the three zero one tariffs,

1:39:45 they're you literally decide this I think I have a I had a tariff thing. I have a tariff thing.

1:39:52 Let

1:39:53 me see. Well, and you know, what it need what the this type of stuff does is it it forces the Americans now to be come back and participate. Because there's a lot of people who aren't working anymore that just decided, hey, I'm not gonna work. I'm gonna sponge off the government one way or another. Now with parents. Yeah. Now it's like, hey, here's the incentive, you know, become an electrician, be become a plumber, become a welder, you know, all these jobs that are blue collar jobs, but I've I've seen reports. There's a report on X there. They were some parents were

1:40:23 kind of embarrassed that their kid became an electrician, and in three years, he was making $200,000.

1:40:29 Exactly. You know? So it's like, now they're not embarrassed. Now, like, oh, he's an electrician and he owns several companies and he makes over $1,000,000 a year. And remember kids

1:40:39 That's kind of all hell is gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin. That's right. One Bitcoin. Just one. Just

1:40:46 one.

1:40:48 What else you got here, Rob? What what else did you bring for us? Well, there's the whole beef situation

1:40:53 that happened on Friday with Trump Yeah. Saying we're gonna buy a bunch of beef and then, I think he said beef product

1:41:00 or or somewhere along the way, someone goes, what is beef product? I think

1:41:04 think it's,

1:41:05 I believe it's,

1:41:07 it's ground beef. It's gonna be ground beef,

1:41:11 from Argentina

1:41:12 where most of it will come from. He didn't announce that in the beginning, but it see this seems like the second big buy of beef that it's going to Argentina's way. So there is some something going on between us and Argentina, probably because he likes their their president,

1:41:26 the the chainsaw guy. Well well, didn't we just do a big debt swap with a

1:41:34 money swap with Argentina?

1:41:36 Right. Yeah. A few months ago. Yeah. So and we've been talking And about this for a while and already, you've heard it from Texas Slim. Our beef comes from Argentina.

1:41:46 And Yeah. They take our good beef and send it across the, you know,

1:41:50 millionaires.

1:41:51 Hey, Rob. You're you got you gotta stop the someone in your house is on OnlyFans.

1:41:56 Uh-oh. Alright. Let's see. Let me let me It's fixed. It it's working again. This is I'm killing Windows as we speak. There you go. I had a couple I had I had five tabs open. Stop with the Mac.

1:42:08 Okay. This is your boots on the ground cattle rancher?

1:42:11 Well, let's let's go with Trump on Argentina beef, and then we'll do the boots on the ground cattle rancher. Okay. Here we go. Question is, what do you have to say to US farmers who feel that the deal is benefiting Argentina more than it is them as they are a Argentina

1:42:26 is fighting for its life, young lady. You don't know anything about it. They're fighting for their life. Nothing is benefiting Argentina.

1:42:33 They're fighting for their life. You understand what that means? They have no money. They have no anything. They're fighting so hard to survive. If I can help them survive in a free world, I happen to like the president of Argentina. I think he's trying to do the best he can.

1:42:48 But don't make it sound like they're doing great. They are dying.

1:42:51 Alright? They're dying. What do you mean by being Wow. I hadn't heard that clip. Yeah. That was on the plane. It it was cleaned up very nicely too because I've heard other clips. Yeah. And I didn't I didn't do any cleanup on it. I heard that and I'm like, somebody did some processing on this before posting it. So good job. Good work. There's lots of so now and now we go to the cattle rancher, which starts off with a great I didn't keep all the gnat pop in there, but he's got an you're in a field and he's in front of cattle. Probably,

1:43:17 like, 30 head of cattle, and he he's talking about it from his perspective about this deal.

1:43:22 Well, let's talk about it real quick. Right off right out of the gate this morning, we've got an announcement from the administration

1:43:29 about,

1:43:30 you know,

1:43:31 cattle, beef prices.

1:43:33 They're gonna import

1:43:35 a bunch more boxed beef,

1:43:38 ground beef, scrap cuts, is what I call them,

1:43:42 and

1:43:43 hopefully bring down the price of ground beef in the store for y'all.

1:43:49 We've seen a market crash

1:43:52 for live cattle

1:43:54 live

1:43:55 cattle that people like myself grow and take to the to the, you know, processing plants or go down through the system.

1:44:04 That's dropped 40¢ a pound already just from that plant closure.

1:44:09 Now this morning,

1:44:11 the markets are crashing.

1:44:15 But will your price change?

1:44:17 So far, we have not seen that.

1:44:20 We have not seen that. And at what expense to you?

1:44:24 I'll tell you what expense to you.

1:44:27 This is the opposite of what needs to happen. We're not gonna retain heifers

1:44:33 and build a herd

1:44:35 when we can have, you know, the stroke of a pen drop our price

1:44:39 to where we don't make a profit

1:44:41 anymore.

1:44:43 And, honestly, that's where we stand.

1:44:46 We finally begun to make a profit, and all hell breaks loose. People can't handle it.

1:44:51 You know? I guess, because because beef is high in the store. I get it. Beef is high in the store.

1:44:58 Look at what else is high in the store.

1:45:01 Look at what's high for the rancher and the producer.

1:45:04 Fuel, land,

1:45:06 labor, all of it.

1:45:09 You know, you got a $9 latte,

1:45:11 but

1:45:13 $7.08, $9 a pound for ground beef is too much. Right? Now you're gonna get stuck with shitty ground beef.

1:45:21 Trust me.

1:45:22 And we won't rebuild the herd, and you're gonna lose more ranchers. And in the long run,

1:45:28 you're gonna lose everything.

1:45:32 Because where there are cattle,

1:45:34 there is freedom. And when these disappear,

1:45:39 so does your freedom.

1:45:41 Freedom. I don't think this is gonna work out like they hope.

1:45:45 Okay. I have a couple thoughts about this. What what do you have? Well, I think probably in the short term, it's gonna drop prices a little bit,

1:45:53 but I think he's right overall.

1:45:56 We're having that Tyson it was the Tyson plant that closed. There's a monopoly on the processing,

1:46:02 which is where most of the high prices come from. Three companies.

1:46:05 None of them Americans. Exactly.

1:46:07 That's the problem right there. You want you know, a clarity act for beef wouldn't be bad. Hey. We're we're gonna have you're you know, it's US we're gonna we're gonna create US beef

1:46:17 and,

1:46:18 you know, or funded or or something to get a US company in there or kick out the other companies. And then you get all these local and allow people to locally produce it

1:46:27 Yes. And render beef. But he I think he's right. In the in the short term, it's gonna drop prices

1:46:32 and will it de incentivize people to become cattle ranchers? That I don't I don't know. Well, there's a couple things. And of course, I've spoken with Texas Slim for five years about this. He was here not to leave. He was he was pretty ill. We were getting him some medical help and he came through here. He stayed overnight and,

1:46:50 and I could I gotta gotta tell you, he was definitely not doing well. He's coming back strong now. Thank God.

1:46:56 Yeah. And,

1:46:59 you know, what had what's really happened, the ranchers have a hand in this too. Maybe not this rancher,

1:47:05 and there's many ranchers all around the country who are reject who are going back to their roots regenerative and

1:47:11 have processing. You can you can do processing.

1:47:15 You can do processing, but you can't sell it in a store. You can sell it from your process. So you have Hometown Meats, formerly known as K and C cattle and Luling.

1:47:23 Yep. Cole That's right. I've gotten from there several times. And Cole does all of his, you know, he's he's his own geneticist, you know, he he knows what he's breeding. He's got fantastic

1:47:34 cows

1:47:36 and they process, they got and that's that's another skill I might add that we need we need

1:47:42 people

1:47:43 who can cut. This is a very, you know, if

1:47:46 you can if you can learn how to cut beef, you've got a long future ahead of you. So that's another Beef, pork, sheep, chicken, you know, any of Just

1:47:55 cutters are very very hard to come by because, you know, people aren't interested in those jobs, but they're well paid now.

1:48:02 So he's feeding his community.

1:48:05 And that community includes you and Driftwood, includes me and Fredericksburg

1:48:09 and, you know, we've had one of their their military

1:48:13 vets who'll come out and we'll pool all of our neighbors together,

1:48:18 you know, they just bring us cash and then they bring the boxes in one go, so there's because, know, the shipping is where everybody gets killed and where it gets very expensive.

1:48:27 And they bring it from their own processing plant. It's local. You got the same with

1:48:33 the guys down there in Georgia.

1:48:35 This actually has an entire town that is a part of this.

1:48:39 So that system works, but a lot of these

1:48:42 cattlemen

1:48:43 have really just become commodity cowboys

1:48:46 and they just know, oh, I gotta put $1,200

1:48:49 worth of Cheerios in this in this animal. And I like this guy was saying, I take it off live animals and I take it off and send it to the processing plant who control the price

1:48:59 and the justice department is now going after price fixing between these these big processing plants. So there's work being done

1:49:07 and there was absolutely price fixing.

1:49:10 The price of cattle was incredibly high. That's why I want these guys have been making out. They've been selling selling cows that were really too young to even to even sell because they just wanna make money. A lot of the the younger generation

1:49:25 is not interested in farming or ranching. They're not interested in it. That's too much work. So we're gonna have to come up with, you know, some incentives for people to do it. This

1:49:37 here's the biggest part.

1:49:40 The education

1:49:42 about beef, ground beef in particular,

1:49:45 is so poor.

1:49:46 I mean, if

1:49:48 if a a single mom with two kids

1:49:51 can go so much further with her money

1:49:55 on ground beef

1:49:56 making good nutritious

1:49:58 food and meals for her kids than anything else in the supermarket.

1:50:03 All of this colored nonsense,

1:50:05 sugary crap,

1:50:07 which is actually killing her kids,

1:50:09 that education part and and, you know, it's not like the supermarkets are gonna help you.

1:50:14 That is the big missing piece, which I'd kind of hope Maha and RFK junior would do a lot better at. I don't see it.

1:50:22 Because you I mean, you can make meatloaf, you can make you can make hamburgers,

1:50:26 you can make meatballs. I mean, there's so much that you can do with just ground beef. Mix it with a little pasta. There's Yeah. This unfortunately,

1:50:34 this is affordability midterm move that is being done here. I agree with the cowboy.

1:50:40 This is gonna be

1:50:42 much less quality beef than American beef, certainly Texas beef.

1:50:47 But this just an it's an education problem.

1:50:50 People just don't really know what's going on. But if you go to

1:50:54 beef.com,

1:50:55 I think I think slimgotbeef.com.

1:50:57 Hold on. Let me check. I don't know how this guy's amazing.

1:51:00 Well, I've used k and oh, it used to be K and C and and I think you still type in KNC and it takes you to the their website. But there's also I met a guy who I was buying beef from him,

1:51:12 off of, because he at the farmer's market. His name's Ray and he sends me bible verses every morning. Oh, nice. Which is great great guy. Six 06:30AM.

1:51:20 Boom. New bible verse every day. He's like, do wanna put you on the list? I'm like, yes. Gotta put on the list. Those guys too. That's I love those guys. It's great. You know, you get a little bit you get something to think about every morning before you get up and, and run around. But but they have there's a Wagyu herd out in Bastrop and man, these are some of the best steaks I've ever had.

1:51:39 It was like, $40 a steak, you know, for a Wagyu, which you're not gonna get anywhere else like that and you get to cook it the way you want. So go to beefmaps.com.

1:51:49 I think the beef.com deal fell through. Go to beefmaps.com,

1:51:53 find your rancher, taste the difference,

1:51:55 go there yourself. There it is. Drive drive to your rancher. Say howdy.

1:52:00 Show me and and look at the cow you're gonna eat. That was so cool when I took Tina to K and C cattle.

1:52:06 You know, we went with Cole in the truck out of the pasture and he like honks his horn and the cow's like, they'll

1:52:12 come running over because they think they're getting fed. And Tina's like, how they're so cute that

1:52:17 Yeah. I'm gonna eat him. Yes. You're gonna eat him. Or her. It's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. You're gonna love it. These are support these guys. Your price will be good and and these guys will. We got

1:52:31 Steiner,

1:52:32 I think it's Steiner Ranch, which is here in Yeah. I know the Steiner's.

1:52:36 Oh, you do? Shotgun shotguns with Shane Steiner. So they have a ranch down on, I wanna say, is it 16? Route 16?

1:52:44 And you go online

1:52:46 and we order,

1:52:48 our ground beef from them. We love their ground beef and they're real they're much more local than, than coal.

1:52:54 And our,

1:52:56 our brisket from them and we got a hump the other have you ever had a hump? Oh, no. Hump? That's the hump on the back. Right? The top hump? Yeah. It's the hump.

1:53:04 It's just a roast. Yeah. We ordered a hump and and

1:53:08 the guy comes up the same day with his Yeti cooler. Hey hey, mister and missus Curry. I'll put it in the freezer for you. He'll take cash. He'll take a check.

1:53:17 Wow. It's amazing. I love it. The first time I got it delivered, they the guy shows up and I'm getting my order and he goes, hey. I got some more in the back if you wanna check it out. Said, yeah. Let's check it out. Dealer. You know, it's like, here's you want more New York Strip? Here's the here, I'll give you a deal on this. He's like, you got cash? I got cash.

1:53:34 I I think I bought that. I bought chorizo. I bought another $100 worth of stuff. I'm like, sure. Let's go. I mean, it lasts forever. We we buy a couple $100 worth of steaks

1:53:44 and

1:53:45 I think a $100

1:53:47 worth of ground beef for the whole month or maybe five weeks.

1:53:50 And we have people over for dinner. We basically eat beef. We're Yeah. Or almost carnivore. I have a potato.

1:53:57 Tina might have

1:53:59 we might have a salad,

1:54:01 you know, but that's we basically eat beef every single day. And I'm feeling good. We're

1:54:08 healthy. Have still tall? We we have friends over

1:54:11 and, you know, and if you if you go to the to the grocery store, if you go to H E B, you can't get away for under a $100 for anything.

1:54:19 It's it's ridiculous.

1:54:21 And we bought one of those big roasts, a Costco roast that you then slice your own steaks out of. Yeah. Man, and that's the way to go too. If you're gonna if you're a steak eater, go buy one of these big roasts, get them from a local guy if you can. But even Costco, I think we paid $200 for it and I got, I don't know, 18 steaks out of it. Yeah. That's that So so the That makes that math math. The affordability crisis is also part of just what we're doing. The the cowboy's right. $9 latte. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, there you go. It depends on what you wanna spend your money on. Here's, the agriculture

1:54:55 secretary of Rollins. This morning, president Trump announced a new plan to import

1:55:00 300,000

1:55:01 tons of ground beef into The US with lower tariffs.

1:55:05 It's a decision that he and secretary of agriculture Brooke Rollins says will help lower prices. But the Iowa Cattlemen's Association says it's gonna hurt more than it will help. KCCI's Abigail Curry spoke with both of them to learn what's at stake for purchasers and producers.

1:55:22 Ground beef. It's a protein staple in millions of American households.

1:55:27 But since January

1:55:28 2025, the price has jumped 24%.

1:55:33 President Trump is hoping to change this. Friday morning, he announced he'd allow 300,000

1:55:38 metric tons of ground beef to be imported with lower tariffs over the next ninety days. In a visit to the Iowa State Fair, US secretary of agriculture Brooke Rollins says this will take some of the burden off of consumers' wallets. We can get a 25%

1:55:52 decrease

1:55:53 for families. Usually, income families rely on ground beef.

1:55:58 Then he wanted to

1:56:00 make that move for the American consumer. Yes. Exact by the way, thank you Troll Room. Yes. I know pastor Jimmy says no potato. We had dinner

1:56:09 to pastor Jimmy in Annette's house last night and, he made some awesome steaks

1:56:15 and then

1:56:16 Annette made gosh. What she she made potato for me and had a croissant,

1:56:22 like gingerbread

1:56:23 cookies,

1:56:24 like

1:56:25 So why does he say no potato? That's interesting. He's a he's carnivore. He's carnivore. He

1:56:30 just says no potato in general. He's no no carbs. No carbs. But hey, we talk about this on We Get To Do This, the hit new podcast from Adam Curry and pastor Jimmy, wgtdt.com.

1:56:39 Go check it out everybody. If you want your Jesus,

1:56:42 if you wanna get your Jesus on with us, check it out. You ever listened to the show?

1:56:46 I have not listened to that one. I I will give it a listen to Alright. There will be a test. Are you coming on? Are you gonna come on again soon, brother? I love it when you're on the show.

1:56:53 I think this next week, I'm I'm gonna be, I'll be in New Orleans in Lafayette playing with my band. I I got back into playing music because now my kids are old enough to not need me around Oh. At all. Wait a minute. What about Alex? Doesn't Alex need you around? Oh, he needs me around, but it's it's sort it's a weekend it's a weekend thing, but the kids are like, yeah. You know, you don't need the kid the kids are like, yeah. We're fine. We're we're good. Just fix this when we break something. What's the name what's the name of the band? Are you on Spotify?

1:57:20 You know, we don't have anything on Spotify yet. We've Good. We've It's good. Been to

1:57:25 we have a lot of live recordings out. The name of the band is Ross Mundi, r a s m u n d I.

1:57:30 And we're like a reggae hip hop funk band.

1:57:34 But when I say hip hop, it's like old school hip hop.

1:57:38 But it's conscious,

1:57:40 you know, we're we're pro humanity

1:57:42 and Pro humanity. Yeah. What kind of what kind of band is this? I know. We're not pro system, that's for sure. But, you know, we got a South by gig this last year. Oh, We got into the Reggae Festival, which by voting in,

1:57:56 and it would just good things keep happening to us. And I wouldn't Oh, nice. You know, wouldn't say it's in terms of talent level, it's not the highest talent level, but everybody gives it their go.

1:58:06 And we really do put on a good show and and we play, you know, we'll play for two or three hours and just Holy crap. You know, get people get people moving and it's, that's where it's at. Do you have merch? Do you have merch?

1:58:17 You know, we haven't even gotten into merch yet. We're we're we're literally things keep we barely even have our our album recorded. We've been recording. Are the venue to play?

1:58:27 No. They're paying us. Yeah. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. But we're gonna be in New Orleans for a couple days playing some some it's like a South by Southwest for New Orleans. Oh, wow. That type of event. And then and then we're coming back and gonna hit we're in the midst of a there's a rave gonna go on in Lafayette. Oh. And we're gonna be in the middle. We're sandwiched in between all the DJs.

1:58:48 So where are you playing? On Thursday, you said? At Thursday, we're gonna be at a hotel ballroom. I don't I you know what? I'll tweet it out so people can see it on on X. But the

1:58:59 place we're playing in Lafayette

1:59:01 is is called the Boom Boom Room, the Freetown Boom Boom Room.

1:59:07 Restrestmundymusic.com,

1:59:10 I believe is

1:59:11 the website. That'll that'll get you to a lot of things. Like, we're very, you know, we don't have like,

1:59:18 no one's super concerned about go we we do the online stuff, we make the videos, we put stuff out, but we're mainly just word-of-mouth. You know, people show up to our gigs because they've heard us before

1:59:29 or, you

1:59:30 know, it just it just happens. It's all happening because we have the intention to go out and play good music. So that's where it's at. It's at the Boom Boom Room this Thursday? Is that what No. That's Saturday. Saturday the twenty ninth. Yeah. The Freetown Boom Boom Room. Okay. And the and the other stuff, I'd have to dig through my phone. I have it on there, but we'll be in New Orleans,

1:59:48 Thursday and Friday and then Saturday in Lafayette Okay. Which is that's the heart of Cajun country Yeah. If you're a you're a Cajun

1:59:55 person out there. So I'll have to find a a

1:59:59 good replace it's gonna be hard replacement for Thursday. Sunday,

2:00:03 I'm gonna be in we're going to to Rotterdam.

2:00:07 Oh, nice. To finally visit my my granddaughter who is now Yay. She's now almost five weeks old.

2:00:15 Next Sunday,

2:00:16 or this coming Sunday,

2:00:18 Jason

2:00:19 Kalacanis

2:00:20 will be guest hosting with me.

2:00:22 Okay. Do you know Jay Cal? Jason Kalacanis? Well, I saw he he was boasting about the new cancer mRNA vaccine and how it's a great thing for humanity. Outstanding product.

2:00:32 Yeah. He was he was definitely promoting that. I'm like, who is j cow? Is it is it named j cow or it's just Jason at jason? At jason. Yeah. I've known I've known Jason since the nineties in

2:00:44 in New York. It was called Silicon Alley.

2:00:47 John knew him very well. We used to make fun of him all the time. He

2:00:52 he got rid of that list by the way. And now he does this this podcast, which I think is I'm sure it's on on an RSS feed but he does it's a big YouTube deal

2:01:02 with

2:01:03 he's got all these Silicon Valley dudes on including David

2:01:08 Sachs who was the crypto slash AI czar for president Trump for couple months there.

2:01:15 And it's a it's very I love watching it. And but Jason Kalacantis,

2:01:20 he's a nice guy. He's I'm pretty sure he has a he has a knighthood for the show, but he's probably never claimed it. He's always supported the show. He's always been very encouraging.

2:01:30 And I said, hey, man, you should come on the show. He says, well, I can't do Thursdays because that's when they record their own podcast,

2:01:37 but he'd come on Sunday. So that's it. That should be fun. I have not spoken he's in Texas now too. He's out by you. Think he's he's out in Driftwood area. On Driftwood area? Yeah. Okay. I think so. I think so. So I'll find somebody for Thursday. Well, I do love a good lisp.

2:01:52 Yes, you would. I love it. I got a John C. J. C. D. Story real quick. Of my favorite moments was I was doing this thing called the tyrannical lisp which was Oh, remember the wait. Yeah. The WHO.

2:02:02 You might Wait. Have some Let let me hold on. I'm a second. Tyrannical.

2:02:07 Hold on, tyrannical

2:02:09 I must've been misspelled it. Tyrannical

2:02:11 lisp.

2:02:13 One

2:02:14 a? Tyrannical

2:02:16 t y r. Here we go. And this is Paris'

2:02:19 first zero carbon neighborhood.

2:02:22 In Ilofa Quil, our fertile island, four buildings surround a central garden.

2:02:29 Within this small locality,

2:02:31 you can live, work, shop,

2:02:33 or play sports.

2:02:35 It's built on a one But you've had a lot of these, man. This is amazing. What was this? I did a lot of them. Yeah. Because I was always but it was tyranny will come to your door in a list. Here it is. We are entering the era of the megalopolis.

2:02:49 No. It's not a dinosaur.

2:02:52 Cities around the world are merging. And a classic one.

2:02:56 IKEA is experimenting with insect

2:03:00 meatballs Meatballs.

2:03:01 To make people think about how much meat they eat

2:03:05 and encourage people to try alternative proteins.

2:03:09 The new mealworm meatballs are developed by Space Kin. Keep Oh, man. Classic.

2:03:15 Classic. Oh, and John Lowe at one point, he's like, really like that tyrannical lisp. I'm like, oh, so He did. He did. That was that was, made my heart warm that, you know, you could get a reaction out of JCD.

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2:11:30 I was captured by Adam's thoughts on Rogan. Then I listened to the No Agenda podcast and was instantly hooked and I'd like to be de duched. You've

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2:12:10 He had that with the with the show and he says, JCD was so precious. He will be missed and never forgotten. My foe papa.

2:12:18 In the end, John got the last laugh on us all with an exit strategy indeed. Condolences to the Curry's, Dvorak's

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2:12:44 ITM, a true honored night name, sir tree daddy of hard to say. Round table request, none. Jingles.

2:12:51 I love my truck and I love what I do.

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2:13:11 so I'm happy to provide a live edge slab for the round table. Very nice. No Agenda has been a pillar and foundation of my life and I will be eternally grateful for keeping me balanced out on a limb called life. Thank you, Adam. Cheers to JCD's legacy for giving it all you got. I would be remiss

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2:14:20 JCD fan since PC mag, early tech TV, my wonderful wife, Leah and I have been listening to the show for thirteen years together and they never had a fight and both knew I had to join the Order of the Ant. Rest in peace, John. Thank you for your courage.

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2:14:42 I'm really supportive of everyone who has been covering while the show is getting its footing. Adam, I know it has to be hard. We are thinking of you. Baby making karma for Dame, Elizabeth and I. Thank you very much.

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2:14:58 You've got Oops. Sorry about that. What happened?

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2:15:13 Dennis from Duluth,

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2:15:18 Different fees for you for some reason. Adam, first donation after about ten years of listening. I found the show somewhere in the 8 hundreds and never gave a dime until now, which is a long time to take something for free. I always meant to, That's what I've told myself for ten years.

2:15:33 The show is worth more to me than I've paid for it, so I'm starting to fix that today. Thank you.

2:15:39 John was reliably the crankiest part of my week. I didn't appreciate it enough at the time. I only knew him through my earbuds and truck speakers, So I'm not gonna pretend I know what his what this past month has been like for you. Thank you for getting back behind the mic anyway. No jingles, no karma, just appreciation

2:15:55 and love. And I will de duched. You've

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2:16:12 Keep anonymous, consider it done. We'll send a more thought out email for the Dvorak and Adam later wishing the Dvorak, Curry and the community my condolences. No jingles, no karma. Rest in peace, JCD.

2:16:23 Elizabeth Johnson,

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2:16:27 making this Order of the Ant donation to honor John

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2:16:38 baby making karma and each other. Combined decades of listening, loving, laughing, and amygdala shrinking have brought us to this moment. Dame Elizabeth of the Hudson Valley. Of course, happy to do that for you, Dame Elizabeth.

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2:17:01 A karma door now Knight ITM and thanks to all carrying the show forward. Please Knight me, sir Foam of the Danbar,

2:17:08 Gigawatt dark roast coffee milkshake and Musubi

2:17:12 for the round table. Musubi. I'm not sure what Musubi is. Where's John when you need him? Godspeed, JCD, sunshine from the islands to all in Gitmo Nation.

2:17:21 Joshua Johnson.

2:17:22 Joshua I'm sounding like Callicanus. Joshua Johnson.

2:17:26 33333,

2:17:27 I've been bummed out that I didn't take advantage of collecting my knighthood a few months ago while John was still around as I have donated $50 a month since October

2:17:35 '24.

2:17:36 But I'm very excited to become a member of the Order of the Ant and a knight at the same time, I would like to be known as sir j j and request street tacos and bush light at the round table and also request the mac and cheese and little girl shut up slave jingles.

2:17:51 Thank you for your courage, sir j j. Okay. Now I have to do a couple of things here. I need to get the

2:17:57 street tacos, I didn't put that order in. Street tacos

2:18:01 and bush lights. Let me do that first of all, make sure I get that for you. Okay. Street tacos

2:18:08 And then he wanted

2:18:10 what did you want here, my brother? You wanted mac and cheese.

2:18:15 Yes. We got the mac and cheese and you wanted the Shut Up Slave.

2:18:19 Well, I think we can do that for you.

2:18:21 You slaves can get used to mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Macaroni and cheese.

2:18:27 Cheddar melted together. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Shut

2:18:33 up, slave.

2:18:34 Alright.

2:18:36 Sir Robertson of Sticks,

2:18:38 33333.

2:18:40 ITM, thank you and may all good deeds be done with humility towards others. Amen, brother, for a greater tomorrow. All the best, sir Robertson of Two Sticks. Cyril Beatty, Reno, Nevada 33333.

2:18:51 Thanks for being there and making me feel sane.

2:18:53 No Agenda Shop from Gitmo Nation, Georgia USA. Thank you, Agenda Shop three thirty three. Happy to hear the show carrying on John's legacy. Recently, Tina shared our Sir Paul Couture design sticker honoring JCD.

2:19:06 It's striking and we're gifting it to

2:19:09 anyone who places a shop order before September 30.

2:19:13 Oh, no. Have end message due to pay PayPal text limit. Thank you for your courage. Yeah. I see what you did there. All kinds of shortcuts. It's a beautiful sticker. I think there's two actually.

2:19:25 The No Agenda Shop sticker club is well worth it. Thank you very much. Order of the ant for you guys. And that's our executive producers. Now our associate executive producers coming in with $250,

2:19:36 Manuka Gold from Hudson, Florida. They say welcome back Adam. The show keeps us company while we're working on packages

2:19:42 and it's great to have you back. We're always happy to keep supporting. We do have a code at manukagold.com

2:19:47 for the No Agenda listeners looking for 20%

2:19:50 off. Code treasure

2:19:53 will work for the month of August and we're still doing the $25 free gift for every purchase over $45.

2:19:59 Thank you very much, Manuka Gold. I stand behind their product. It's great. I also stand behind Eli the Coffee Guy's product who comes to us with $208.23.

2:20:09 He always does $200 plus the date, 08/23. He's in Bensonville, Illinois. Last Thursday show with sir Dufe Duchess was spectacular.

2:20:17 Excellent media deconstruction especially when viewed to the lens of the midterm elections.

2:20:22 It also made me smile that even the seed man's own people do humorous impressions of him and he's good at it. Adam, thank you for keeping the show going as well as everybody who helps make No Agenda happen. For producers who want amazing fresh roasted coffee,

2:20:36 visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com.

2:20:38 Use code ITM 20 for 20% off your order. Thank you for your courage. Stay caffeinated says Eli the coffee guy. And he does say he would like to hear the I got ants. Well, let's do that for you. I have no problem because it is a classic after all it is. Today is Order of the Ants Day.

2:20:56 I got ants.

2:21:02 I got ants.

2:21:08 I don't know if you we had a, you know, ants. We had ant invasion.

2:21:12 I was thinking if you deep if you desiccated

2:21:15 a big pile of ants and then ground them to a powder like a fine

2:21:20 fine grind of black pepper. We were having dinner and

2:21:26 yeah. I got an ant

2:21:28 somehow in the meal, and I ate it. These things are peppery. I got ants.

2:21:38 I got ants.

2:21:44 These ants, they don't need a lot. And then you just see when you find all the ones that are roaming around go live, back backed them backed them off by doing the burning trick. You just torch them,

2:21:53 and you leave him there. The only ant are occasional moments where there's an ant that you do not torch, and that's an ant that's carrying one of the dead ants back. I got ants.

2:22:08 I got ants.

2:22:14 I got ants.

2:22:20 I got ants.

2:22:23 Ants.

2:22:25 Ants.

2:22:26 Ants.

2:22:30 Before I continue on.

2:22:33 Oh, they're not that bad. There you go.

2:22:36 I wanted to thank Sarah Kring.

2:22:40 Sarah Nielsen. Sarah Kring Nielsen for she said a lot of stuff to the PO box.

2:22:45 And her note was in regards to my birthday note last Sunday, that was eighteen o nine. This is old.

2:22:51 This is old. But

2:22:52 we know Sarah Kring and she's she sent this

2:22:55 seems to have been under a rock this last year. I just got sent back this package at home from

2:23:04 she had to fill a form out to get it back, two QR codes, paid my duties,

2:23:09 be so much easier to send cash. It was it's a blanket, but it was it's like a

2:23:15 I think I don't know if she made this herself. It must be. It's like an ITM, No Agenda

2:23:20 on a Loom, which is just a beautiful beautiful product. And then a blanket, she actually sent us a blanket,

2:23:28 which, where'd this come from this blanket?

2:23:31 This is,

2:23:32 Maison Emmanuel.

2:23:33 Oh, it's a classy blanket blanket. Therapeutic life sharing community for adults.

2:23:38 So it's for a good cause in nerd in need of special care. Thank you very much. And she sent us mela mousse and just all kinds of beautiful stuff. Thank you. Thank you very much. I was supposed to do that on the last show, but I forgot.

2:23:51 And also I wanna thank Nicholas Ficklin.

2:23:54 He is

2:23:55 the producer of Squazin

2:23:57 Hot Sauce,

2:23:59 s c l a z I n, Squazin Hot Sauce.

2:24:04 And a very long note, says, you've been on my heart since the Instagram post notification of John's passing. As hard as the news hit me, someone who never had the pleasure of meeting him, I can only imagine how much more y'all have been impacted by the loss. My prayers continue to be with you. And so he is the producer of Squatzen hot sauce, and he made a special

2:24:22 special batch on 08/08 in his honor while having his own little memorial listening to old shows.

2:24:28 He sent a package which we received. Thank you very much both to Texas and to the California PO boxes.

2:24:33 And he he hopes it's enough for everyone to enjoy. It's pretty hot, so it'll take us a while. But check out, sklezin.com.

2:24:41 I don't know if he's, got them on the website or not, but it's dynamite hot hot sauce. Sklezin.com,

2:24:47 selazin.

2:24:48 And thank you very much. I cherish the the special package,

2:24:52 special label

2:24:53 labeled version that you sent us.

2:24:57 Scott Kinney is in Lakeshore, Minnesota. $200 associate executive producer and he says in the morning to you, Adam, I'd like to introduce you and the gang to Bot Commander.

2:25:06 Bot Commander.

2:25:09 Bot Commander is the world's first person oh, I've seen this. Is the world's first personal AI assistant to adopt the Value4Value

2:25:17 model.

2:25:18 This is interesting.

2:25:19 It's an extensive free AI home and business automation system.

2:25:24 You can get it at botcom.ai.

2:25:27 Start automating now with Bot Commander. That's botcom.aiwithab,bot,botcom.

2:25:34 Did I mention it's free? Yes, indeed, you did.

2:25:37 But I like that he's doing this. It's value for value, so you don't have to pay for it until you find it valuable.

2:25:44 It I don't have a small business other than the show,

2:25:48 but we have systems in place.

2:25:50 I think you should take a look at it if you have a home or small business. It can automate a lot of things for you. Bot. Botcom.ai.

2:25:59 And with $200 from Castle Rock, Colorado, there she is as always, Linda Lou Patkin.

2:26:05 And she says she wants jobs karma.

2:26:07 AI can write write your resume. Yes. We know that. The problem is it can write everyone else's too. Linda helps professionals and executives figure out what makes them different, what makes them valuable, and turns that value into a resume that gets results. Go to imagemakersinc.com,

2:26:23 imagemakersincwithak,

2:26:25 and Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs, writer of winning resumes because your resume should do more than just look good. All the best from Linda. Jobs,

2:26:35 jobs,

2:26:36 jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

2:26:39 You've got karma.

2:26:41 And thank you to these executive and associate executive producers and Order of the Ant awardees.

2:26:49 I need a jingle for that. If anybody can make me an Order of the Ant jingle, I would love to have that to give these people some special accolades. And of course, as always, these credits are good, at imdb.com

2:27:00 or anywhere else Hollywood credits are recognized.

2:27:03 We go out,

2:27:04 we hit people in the mouth.

2:27:12 Order. Shut up, slave.

2:27:16 Shut up, slave. Continue to thank people who sent us treasure for the show. $50 and above. We mention everybody.

2:27:24 Sometimes we'll read your note under $200.

2:27:26 Ian Field, 100. Keoa Wynen, Springfield, Kentucky, a $100.

2:27:31 Says, God loves you, Adam, so do we. John has sorely missed, we can hear the hole in your heart, but please soldier on the world needs your steady mind and godly heart. No jingles, no karma.

2:27:40 Tim Tillman, Mechanicsville, Virginia, $100. Sir Kevin McLaughlin, Concord, North Carolina, lover of America and boobs. He is the Archduke

2:27:49 and the lover of boobs and that's what he says, lover of America and boobs.

2:27:53 Dvorak in

2:27:56 Prague, Czechoslovakia also coming in with the boobs donation, $80.08.

2:27:59 Thank you both. Nicholas Leary, Columbus, Ohio, $72.72.

2:28:03 Matthew Elward, Weatherford, Texas with small boobs, $60.06,

2:28:07 $600.06.

2:28:08 Leska Tarkowski,

2:28:10 Kingman, Arizona with the same. And Bob Cox, a new small boober coming in with from Delphi, Indiana. Left an email where Adam has mentioned on the Alex Jones show. Well, yes. Thank you. Played that. I got an invite.

2:28:22 $55.10

2:28:23 double nickels on the dime from sir Michael protector of the peas in Maple Grove, Minnesota.

2:28:30 Double nickels on the dime plus fees for fixing nuts nuts remix

2:28:35 that we played on the last show. Thank you, sir Michael. John Cattellano,

2:28:39 $52.71,

2:28:41 just an hour in. Eighteen ninety six is not just listenable, but enjoyable.

2:28:46 Adam's co host is very likable in content and demeanor. It did not sound like a wannaboo wannabe radio douchebag,

2:28:52 please.

2:28:53 Listeners since at least 2008, well, that's that's the early days. Thank you for your courage. Forrest Martin, $50.05.

2:29:00 Alex Delgado in Aptos, California, 50. And Harold Hutton rounds us out from Merrickville,

2:29:06 Ontario with $50. Thank you all very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe. You have no idea how great it is to be able to continue and receive value

2:29:16 back for the value that we are delivering. It is highly appreciated.

2:29:20 You can go to noagendadonations.com,

2:29:22 support us with any amount anytime you feel like it. You could even set up a sustaining donation,

2:29:28 which, repeats over time, up to you, any amount, any frequency, noagendadonations.com.

2:29:39 Baroness Carol Ann of Southern Colorado turned 67

2:29:43 years old today. Happy birthday, Baroness. Andrea McDonald wishes her dad, Lucas McDonald, a very happy birthday. Turns 59

2:29:50 tomorrow.

2:29:51 Wants something from John's office. We have discussed sending you something. Don't

2:29:56 think John can sign it for you anymore, though. And Tommy White celebrates one day after me on September 4. Looking forward to it, Tommy White. Happy birthday to these people from everybody. It's the best podcast in the universe. Order

2:30:10 of the Ants and congratulations to Lessa Jensen,

2:30:14 Brett Carrather Carrather, sir Victor Baron of the Willamette Valley, sir Nate of the Rogue Knight of the Rogue Valley, Court of McDonald, sir Keith Big Johnson,

2:30:23 Dennis Anonymous,

2:30:24 Elizabeth Johnson, Zadock Brown the third, Joshua Johnson,

2:30:28 sir Robertson of Two Sticks, Cyril Beatty, and the No shop. All of you will receive this handsome

2:30:34 pin, the No Agenda order of the ant pin. You can go to noagendarings.com,

2:30:40 that's where you can let us know where to send it to you and thank you all so much for supporting Ace. We'll keep this going for a while, lots of people wanna get in on this

2:30:47 to get one of those great Order of the Ant pins and it's a great

2:30:51 ode to the one and only John C. Dvorak.

2:30:55 We have three knights, no dames today. So I will bring out my one singular blade

2:31:02 and invite, Brett Caroth Carothers Carothers. I gotta get that straight. Joshua Johnson and Zadock Brown the third onto the podium here. Gentlemen, thanks to your support of the No Agenda show in the amount of $1,000

2:31:14 or more. I am very proud to pronounce the k b as sir tree daddy of hard to say. That's right. Sir j j and sir foam of the Dan Bar. For you, we've got hookers and blow, red boys, and chardonnay along with gigawatt dark roast coffee milkshake and miso be. We got street tacos and bush lights.

2:31:33 We also have, beer and blunts. We got cowgirls and coffin varnish, Rubeness, Ruben and Rose, Gaishas and sake, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and Pamplemite, mutton and mead. For you the same deal, go over to noagendarings.com.

2:31:46 You deserve it. And if you just tell us what size you need for the ring, we'll send it off to you along with some, wax that you can use to seal your important correspondence.

2:31:56 We get a lot of those in the PO box. Love it when people send us a note that you can tell that they're a Knight or Dame because they they seal their envelope with the No Agenda

2:32:05 Knight or Dame ring.

2:32:07 And tell us where to send it and we'll get it off to you as soon as possible. Thank you so much for supporting the No Agenda show. We are the podcast in the universe. No Agenda

2:32:16 meetups.

2:32:19 We

2:32:22 got your meetups.

2:32:23 We sure do. I hope that I have all you know, actually, forgot to play one thing as we end our donations and I apologize

2:32:31 because

2:32:32 he sent it to me twice. I just wanna wind out our donations with

2:32:37 sir Felix who we had not heard from

2:32:40 since the COVID days and he's gotten a little older, his voice is a little deeper and he is obviously son to the drunken mister minstrel

2:32:50 from Canada, from Australia,

2:32:52 sir Chris Wilson.

2:32:53 Take it away, Felix.

2:32:56 My name is sir Felix Wilson, the early knight, and my dad is a douchebag. Some things stay the same, like my dad being a douchebag, but other things change like my voice and the host of No Agenda.

2:33:06 Not that long ago, my voice used to sound like this. Daddy, you're still a douchebag. Though sadly, that sweet childhood innocence has gone, but I'm still here to call out my dad as a douchebag. And while our beloved John C. Dvorak is no longer with us, the best podcast in the universe is here to call out my dad as a douchebag. Douchebag.

2:33:25 Without the Gitmo Nation community and the best podcast in the universe, I would have grown up retarded like all my friends with swollen amygdalas. Shout out, Fitz. Instead, I've grown up a free thinking human resource, being able to recognise retard when I see it, and importantly, recognise when I'm being retarded myself, and so I keep my amygdala in check. Now more than ever, Gitmo Nation needs your time, your talent, and your treasure. For the sake of all our human resources, the children of Gitmo Nation like me, who have grown up with No Agenda for most or all our lives, go to noagendadonations.com

2:33:55 and donate now. We must secure the existence of our podcast and the future of Gitmo Nation children.

2:34:01 There you go. Think of the children, please.

2:34:04 And thank you to

2:34:05 the group in Rebo, Nevada for your No Agenda meetup report. ITM.

2:34:10 This is Dame Rita. This

2:34:13 is the best meetup ever. Really, connection is protection.

2:34:18 And I wanted to put out a word to Mimi and the Dvorak family,

2:34:23 Adam, Tina,

2:34:24 love and light. In the morning, this is Cyril from Reno. Connection

2:34:29 is protection. We love you guys. Thanks for all you do. This was so inspiring. Thank you, Adam and RIP John. And you just make the world a better place and you make us and our households a happier place. Thank you. And these people have been great. In the morning. In the morning. This is Kevin at the Reno meetup. Last time I donated to the show, John actually misgendered me, which was the first time I had been misgendered since I was in middle school and had long hair like Kurt Cobbain. Sending

2:34:57 a lot of love to the Dvorak family and love and light. In the morning, came to the meetup.

2:35:03 Adam, praying for you, Tina, and the Dvorak family. Take care. In

2:35:08 the morning, this is Raul from Sparks, Nevada. I got to meet Dame Rita and these wonderful people. Thank you, John, for everything you did. You were an amazing man, and we severely miss you. Adam,

2:35:20 Tina, Mimi,

2:35:22 Buzzkill junior,

2:35:23 the entire family,

2:35:25 you guys are in our hearts and prayers and our condolences. Thank

2:35:29 you for everything you've given us for all these years. We love you guys. Connection

2:35:35 is protection. Coming from JJ's PyCode, the No Agenda crew was amazing. Ah, there it is. We got a server in there. Love that. Thank you so much. I hope I got all the meet up reports

2:35:45 getting getting crawling back out of my email which has been quite

2:35:50 busy as you can imagine. Hey, there's three my meet ups taking place today. The first one is the Indy NA August JCD

2:35:57 Greek Irish wake at 03:00.

2:36:00 So that is underway at Bleiddell Brewery in Indianapolis.

2:36:03 I'm sure we'll get a beautiful report from from Annette.

2:36:07 That is Dame Marie and Sir Mark of the Greenwood who always hosts that. The Ants and the Antipods,

2:36:12 Antipodes.

2:36:14 This is the sir Chris Will Chris, the drunk the drunk minstrel

2:36:18 meetup,

2:36:19 which probably happened yesterday,

2:36:21 I think, in Australia. Is Monday already? In Marrickville, New South Wales,

2:36:26 gasoline pony. So hoping to get a meetup report from him. I'm sure we will. And the Central Arkansas JCD Memorial kicks off at 06:00.

2:36:34 A dude named Jared now in Arkansas is organizing that. If you wanna go, then all you have to do is go to noagendameetups.com

2:36:42 to find out all the details about that. Coming up in August, we have Maastricht on the twenty eighth, that's in Limburg in The Netherlands.

2:36:49 Nanaimo, British Columbia on the twenty ninth. Albuquerque, New Mexico on the twenty ninth, Rhode Island on the twenty ninth, and Zurich, Switzerland also on the twenty ninth. Looking forward to meet ups from all of you. On the thirtieth, Chester Springs, Pennsylvania,

2:37:02 Raleigh, North Carolina,

2:37:04 and looking at September on the sixth, Medford Lakes, New Jersey, Catawaba River, North Carolina, the twelfth, Boise, Idaho, the fifteenth, Scottsdale, Arizona, the seventeenth, Charlotte, North Carolina,

2:37:15 and Petaluma, California,

2:37:17 the nineteenth, Wilmington, California. We have meetups through October,

2:37:21 including the October 17 Fredericksburg,

2:37:23 Texas meetup. I hope you all will join us for that. And of course, we have the big nineteenth anniversary coming up. Was it the twenty sixth or the October 28? So we will be celebrating. Bittersweet of course without JCD,

2:37:36 but he's looking down or looking up. I hope it's looking down and I'm sure he was smiling. Thank you all very much for your meetups, we're organizing them,

2:37:45 for sending in meetup reports. Go go to a No meetup, particularly now, this is a great time.

2:37:52 You will meet people that you never would have met otherwise and you will connect with them immediately and as you know, connection is protection.

2:37:59 These people will be your first responders in any emergency. Go to noagendameetups.com.

2:38:04 Easy to search, easy to find one near you. If you can't find one near you, you know what to do. Start one yourself. Easy and always a party.

2:38:31 Alright, everybody. That's it for episode eighteen ninety seven. I'll be back on Thursday.

2:38:37 Not quite sure who will be joining me, but we'll find someone appropriate and fun. If you can't wait until then, check out We Get To Do This on Wednesday. I do it with pastor Jimmy. If you are,

2:38:47 decloaking,

2:38:48 coming back to your faith, if you're Christ curious, check us out, wgtdt.com.

2:38:53 And, of course, I'm looking forward to a great No Agenda. Remember us at noagendadonations.com.

2:39:00 If you're still on that modern podcast app or on noagendastream.com,

2:39:05 stay tuned for Grimerica

2:39:06 seven seven six, living from the soul.

2:39:10 Of course,

2:39:12 JCD loved the Grimerica show. He's been on, I think, at least two times, maybe more. So give those guys a listen. And

2:39:20 take care of yourself, Gitmo Nation,

2:39:22 coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country and leaving you with one more Just Baker end of show mix.

2:39:29 We

2:39:30 will see you on Thursday. Till then, adios, mofos.

2:39:34 And

2:39:35 such.

2:40:56 I keep it tight. I keep it right. Don't need a 100 reasons to do this

2:43:00 dvorak.org/na.

2:43:07 Dude, it's like genius.