1902 "The MTV Chronicles

0:00 Adam Curry. It's Thursday, 09/10/2026.

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0:06 episode 1,902.

0:08 This

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0:11 I

0:12 am traveling traveling back from Rotterdam, The Netherlands to Austin and then back to the hill country. So today, for episode 19 o two, a special best of No Agenda. These are the MTV Chronicles.

0:26 Enjoy.

0:49 Anyways, I do have one print story if you're interested. I figured we'd share one with the No Agenda audience.

0:55 One.

0:57 And this relates to

0:58 I think it was '90,

1:01 9091,

1:02 and I was in Minneapolis.

1:04 And I sent you the link for this earlier, John.

1:08 I was, it was probably one of the I've only done three

1:11 commercials for real products back in the heyday when I was mister MTV guy.

1:17 And one of them was for Sam Goody Musicland,

1:20 which,

1:21 you know, no longer exists. It doesn't exist anymore. No. It's gone. Right? Yeah. I'm pretty Yeah. Sure it's

1:26 the big Tower Records. Yeah. And the biggest store is at Mall Of America, which, of course, is in Minneapolis. Oh, I didn't know. That was not the biggest stores in Manhattan.

1:34 At the time. That and that's, you know, that's where it was going to be done. The store was huge. And so we put together kind of like a spinal tap

1:42 where I'm pretending to be on a tour, some fantastic tour. And then you know how all these commercials, they always have to have a

1:51 slide so you can put the current offers on it. And so with with almost like a completely different voice in the commercial, would hear blank.

2:01 Like the bangles.

2:02 Milly with Milly. You know, like all these great people I'm on tour with, but it's really it's the Sam Goody Musicland tour.

2:09 And, you know, I'm going around running around backstage and kind of like Spinal Tap. Like, this is the best concert I've ever been on. And then I go to the stage, open the doors, and then, of course, I open into the,

2:19 into the store.

2:20 And that's the stage or something. Love creative. It's in the show notes, and it's one of the lamest lamest things you've ever seen.

2:26 Fits

2:27 perfectly.

2:28 It paid. Not very much, but it was I think it was maybe

2:32 it was a buyout, maybe $5,000,

2:35 maybe?

2:36 It was, you know, not a good deal, but, back in the day anyway.

2:42 So I was there for three or four days,

2:44 and, second night, it's, quarter to midnight, I'm in the hotel. And and, yeah, this the it was it was a professional shoot. We had, you know, everything was really well done, a nice hotel room. And the phone rings at 11:45. I pick it up. So, yeah. Hello. Is this Adam Curry?

2:59 Yeah.

3:00 Prince wanna wants to know if you wanna come to a party at at his house tonight.

3:04 And I say, let me think about it. Yeah.

3:08 And he's good because the car is downstairs waiting for you when you are. I'm like, this is classy and this, you know, this is,

3:15 '91.

3:16 What was I? I was in the late twenties and still holy shit.

3:20 Sure enough, there's a car, you know, black town car downstairs and,

3:24 the guy's up there's just no words spoken, just get in, takes me off, and then, you know, we go towards what you people have now seen on the news on the along the highway,

3:31 there's Paisley Park and it's all lit up in purple, and it's, you know, drive up to the gate, the gate opens,

3:38 and,

3:39 go in and there's metal detectors, which in '91,

3:43 metal detectors at the airport was, you know, kinda like throw your keys down, you know, your shoes would never go off or anything like that. So it wasn't all that,

3:51 you know, like but it it was odd. You never saw,

3:55 metal detectors anywhere else except at the airport back in those days. So go into this completely

4:01 white

4:02 room. Everything's white. And it's the lighting's a bit dim, but it's just all you see is white. There's no real color.

4:09 It's a,

4:10 you know, it's a rectangle.

4:12 So on one side, like the short side of the room, there's

4:15 a DJ

4:16 standing kind of on built up ironworks.

4:20 You know, it's kind of like scaffolding.

4:21 And he's playing some Prince tracks I've never heard in my life before. Along the long side of the room, there's a buffet from end to end and it's nothing but fresh fruit and juices

4:32 there's no alcohol no alcohol no anything else all just fresh ice sculptures dripping stuff and wall to wall beautiful people maybe 70 or 80 people

4:41 And I this is what heaven's like, obviously. You know, there's beautiful people, healthy food. And Minnesota. And and to see Minnesota. Who knew?

4:51 And I and I saw that there was one or two of the extras from the commercial of course, we're all beautiful.

4:57 From the commercial shoot were there like hey how you guys doing yeah yeah so hanging out and Prince was standing over next to the DJ kind of hanging out just off to the side by himself

5:07 and said I'm gonna go over and thank him for the party and they went no no no no no you can't do that you can't do this what are you talking about no no no it's a you're

5:15 too tall and you're too white

5:17 I'm like are you kidding me?

5:20 This was really the perception, you really shouldn't go talk to him at all I'm like fuck that I go over and I say, hey, hey, I'm Adam. Thanks for inviting me. He's very cool. He says, hey. Yeah. Good you came, and I love the thing you did on Halloween with your daughter. That was fantastic. I really loved how you scared her, but she was kind of having fun. But he had seen everything.

5:39 And

5:40 observation,

5:41 he was not he didn't come across as timid or shy.

5:45 Sure, he was wearing boots, but he also didn't come across as like some miniature man.

5:50 Just seemed pretty pretty normal. And then I really didn't have much left to say. I was like, hey, man. Well, alright. Well, thanks. Yeah. And enjoy.

5:58 That was it. And then maybe an hour or so later, you know, 2AM,

6:02 the party's over, which we which is signified by Princess Geis coming through the

6:08 this room saying nothing, just kind of walking slowly amongst everybody, flashing their flashlights on the ground, and that was the signal to to leave.

6:16 And everyone just kind of flows out, and the car was still there waiting for me, took me back. And And that was So that was his little private concert hall he had in there? Yeah. Yeah. How big was it?

6:26 It was really high. So it was I'd say it would be like,

6:30 like the size of an aircraft hangar for,

6:34 but not, you know, for more like

6:36 a Gulfstream, not for a not for a seven series anything, but really high. So about that size and and the same type of vibe. Compared to a high school gym?

6:47 Three quarters that size.

6:49 For the high school gym? Yeah.

6:52 So it was it was a medium sized little hall. That's correct. Yeah. It wasn't it wasn't any huge one by any means. Yeah.

7:00 There was this other time that by state of Dan Hart remember Dan Hartman? Do you remember him? No. He had Relight My Fire, I Can Dream About You.

7:11 You don't remember? No. Oh, you may how about Edgar Winter, Free Ride? Do remember that? Dude, dude, Oh, course. So he played the play in the city a lot. And, Dan played bass for them.

7:20 I was I was staying at his, at his house one time in Connecticut. A friend of mine was recording at a studio at home, which back in, you know, like the early nineties was you had an SSL studio in your at your house. That was crazy.

7:32 And but he had bought this with the studio from someone else. What's SSL means? Solid oh, Solid State Logic. Those were the big, you know, the 24, 48 track mixers before we got into real full digital, but these were solid state.

7:44 And that was a big deal back in the day. And he said, you know, I bought this place and then, above the studio in the attic, I found all these boxes and somehow these are all,

7:53 masters,

7:54 prince masters of him in the studio, know, not mixed. It was just the 24

7:59 track tapes.

8:01 It was on he says, I'll put it on and listen to it. Was unbelievable. You hear Prince, you know, setting his own mic, setting his own levels. It was

8:08 mind boggling how good and shit you never heard before or or have ever heard again, I guess. Who knows what I'm talking now.

8:15 Did you ever fly Concorde?

8:17 No. I missed that too. I flew that four times.

8:21 Did you poop on it? Hell, yeah.

8:23 Get Four times? Why would would be the point? Let me tell you though. The was not a not a luxurious poop. The the Concorde was very uncomfortable.

8:32 It's like a little tube. I could barely stand up in the entire plane and the seats are very narrow and they although the leg room is nice. And there's no movie or there was no movie because there wasn't enough time to start the movie. So, basically, you just sat there getting warm because at a certain point, about two hours into it,

8:50 the fuel is depleted, and the fuel is act was actually used, so we're talking the past tense, to cool the aircraft down, which extends in flight. It actually grows.

8:59 And to top it off, I had a drunk Liza Minelli behind me chattering the whole way. It was annoying.

9:05 Life's tough. Yeah. At least I didn't pay for it.

9:09 Hey. Do you know who is a huge collector of

9:24 Yeah. Or one more well, the Genesis guy. Yeah. Phil. Phil Collins. We all know Phil. Phil. Phil hates me.

9:31 He hates you? Yeah. I there was a period in the eighties where we would always be bumping into each other. I'd have to interview him if it wasn't, you know, at some at Wembley Stadium for some kind of,

9:43 you know, one of those benefit shows. He would be in my studio. And then at a certain point, he'd just say, oh, Curry. Too tall. Too much hair. I hate you. And he would walk away.

9:56 Yeah. It was loving. It was loving. I think I think it was love, a form of love.

10:01 Yeah. It was in the air tonight.

10:04 My favorite Ozzy Osbourne story, and I don't remember if it was he that told the story or if it was one of the crew guys,

10:12 but he had a,

10:14 in one of his concerts, he decided to to have a catapult

10:18 kind of behind

10:23 Yeah.

10:23 A catapult

10:25 kinda behind the band

10:28 and it was held down by these, I guess, rubber

10:32 If you have rubber bands.

10:34 Hold downs,

10:35 and it's

10:37 gonna be a I guess a rubber band is gonna pull the thing forward, and the and the catapult

10:41 in the in the had a pocket that was filled with chicken guts.

10:46 The idea was that

10:49 they were gonna release at some point in the song, They were gonna release they're gonna cut it loose, and the catapult is gonna fly

10:56 forward and throw chicken guts all over the audience. Nice.

11:01 But what happened was Ozzy ended up they had a guitar solo or something that ran on way too long, and the rubber bands got kind of stretched and loose. They didn't have enough oomph

11:13 to make the thing fly.

11:15 So according to the story, the the catapult flies up and kinda just drops all the chicken guts on Ozzy.

11:24 That's a

11:27 that's a good one. It seems like a believable story.

11:30 Maybe I should I've told it before. Maybe I should tell my Ozzy story since people are always complaining. I don't talk about my old MTV stories.

11:38 Nobody's

11:39 complaining. No. I get I got an email the other day saying, hey. You need to talk more stories here. You know? Your stories are the only thing you already listed. I'm sure waiting for some stories from you. Tina is great. Hey, Adam. Tell the Prince story. Yeah. Yeah. Tell the Madonna story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tell the Aussie story. So I'll tell the Aussie story. People have heard it, but I'll tell it again.

11:58 Moscow Music Peace Festival. You know, the big CIA op? We all went to Moscow and to get the kids to love the scorpions

12:06 just

12:06 before the wall came down. I'll just cut straight to this chase because I didn't know that at the time, but it makes a lot of sense now.

12:14 So we leave from Newark Airport and it's a it's a crappy I think it was a stretch seven twenty seven. Do you remember those? Was it seven twenty seven or seven thirty seven stretch? No. No. They knew it was his 27. Seven twenty seven stretch. It looks like they could snap in half at any moment. Yeah. They were funny looking. Yeah. And and so that's that's what they chartered, Doc McGee. Oh, I should mention the whole reason for the concert

12:39 is because Doc McGee who managed Bon Jovi and Motley Crue at the time, his Learjet had gotten busted in Florida bringing like some unbelievable amount of marijuana into the country. And and so they got to him and they said, hey, instead of what's that in your mouth on this picture, they said, look, why don't you organize a concert for us in in Moscow

12:59 and bring all your bands over there and then we'll sigh up the children. By the way,

13:05 the kids in Moscow, this is 88,

13:07 I think, '88, '89,

13:09 had no idea who Bon Jovi or Motley Crue were. They had no idea who Skid Row was. They didn't care. You know who they knew? Ozzy.

13:18 They knew Ozzy Osbourne and they had all all these bootleg cassettes that came in from Pakistan

13:25 and they knew Ozzy. So we're on the plane. It's a crappy plane. There's you know, no one's in first class. So everyone's annoyed.

13:33 And

13:34 everyone's on edge and, you know, it was of course, this was supposed to be a So the part hold on. The part of the story that I didn't know before I don't think you told that part before. Would this stemmed from a

13:45 from the guy a guy getting busted and the CIA coming along because they wanted to do this this they needed to do something in Moscow and they needed a front? Yeah. No. Well, it the whole thing makes sense to me. It's a great idea. It's The whole great thing was was to get the remember, the Scorpions were there. The Scorpions were German band and they had the the wind of change,

14:06 which is the only hit they ever had that they didn't write themselves. Coincidence.

14:11 And so, you know, that was the the wind of changes.

14:15 And that was the the big anthem when the wall came down, not, you know, not but a year, year and a half later.

14:23 So I'm I'm there's all kinds of theories. So there's an op involved. There's there's a definite

14:28 op involved.

14:29 But I'm the only person from MTV who goes along and like, is dynamite.

14:33 So How come you were the only one? Because I Wouldn't anybody wouldn't somebody else wanna go?

14:39 I think they only offered it to one person.

14:42 Really? And I did Headbangers ball, I was appropriate. You know, I was the guy.

14:47 And I had the hair and everything and yeah. I don't know. I'm I'm I'm happy that they told me to go. I'm sure the I'm sure you know what? I'm sure that downtown Julie Brown was not having it.

14:59 She's like, no. I'm not going to go to Moscow to to Russia.

15:03 Of course, this was, you know, still Iron Curtain stuff. So anyway, we're on the plane The first time. And

15:09 this whole concert, this whole affair is billed as

15:12 a

15:14 anti drugs, anti alcohol concert.

15:17 That was the front. Like, we're doing this because we're gonna show we can have good, clean, fun

15:22 to the Russian kids.

15:24 Cute. Yeah. They were on the plane. Everybody's hammered. They're drunk as skunks. All of them.

15:30 And Ozzy was there.

15:33 Geezer Butler was there. Tommy O. I mean, it it there was a lot of Black Sabbath was there. Whatever was still alive or barely alive.

15:41 And Sharon,

15:42 who at the time,

15:44 this is way before the the Osborn's reality show.

15:49 This is way before Ozempic.

15:51 And Sharon was a big roly poly

15:54 British housewife.

15:56 Now she she was tipping the scales. And she's like, oh, Aussie. Oh, Aussie.

16:04 Very timid, didn't have the big mouth that she has now.

16:07 And so at a certain point, Ozzy gets up, the and he and he has to go to the bathroom. He's like, and

16:14 so there's

16:15 laboratory That's

16:17 he got his voice down.

16:20 There's a laboratory mid mid section of the plane and it's occupied

16:25 because we're kind of in the second the back half of the plane. And so Ozzy's standing there, Sharon.

16:31 Sharon.

16:32 And

16:34 she's like, oh, Ozzy, just watch Sharon.

16:37 And what does Ozzy do? He pees his pants right there in the aisle.

16:44 Probably the saddest thing I've ever seen in rock and roll ever.

16:49 That is pretty pathetic. And that's my Ozzy story.

16:53 That's

16:54 uplifting.

16:56 Well, this does give us an a unique opportunity since we have more than one.

17:02 Ladies and gentlemen, the No Agenda in memoriam segment.

17:08 I went back into the VHS archives

17:12 because in show business,

17:15 you get to say,

17:16 yeah. I worked with him.

17:19 Don't

17:21 you have that? You're like, oh, yeah. No. I work with him. Great guy.

17:24 Big fan of his work. Big fan. Big fan of his work. Yeah.

17:29 So we're we first I have two clips. We go back to

17:33 1988

17:35 to the plane ride to Moscow

17:38 known as the magic bus or the get Doc McGee out of jail free trip.

17:44 Here's Adam interviewing Ozzy. Headbangers ball continues from the magic bus on our way to the Soviet Union, and no strangers to the ball, of course, Ozzy and Zach. Guys, good to have you aboard. Well, are we aboard? It's like a it's like a flying madhouse.

17:58 Are we actually flying? Is the question I haven't checked recently. I mean, I don't know what the pilots do out there, but his planes on

18:05 I hope it's an automatic pilot because I hope no humans fly. I thought you were flying it. I'm oh, I think I was at one point. So you just finished up the complete world tour? Yeah. I just did I just did thirteen months.

18:16 We're doing these two shows in in Moscow, and then we're up for about a month or so. I'm gonna start writing and recording now.

18:23 Uh-huh.

18:25 I understand Pete Town is in one of the back clubs in a Sanford booth. Ozzy, we're gonna we're gonna take a look at breaking all the rules. Anything you wanna say about the video? Oh, it was a lot of fun making it. Yes.

18:35 In-depth questions

18:37 during this interview.

18:38 Ozzy,

18:39 was it fun making the video, Ozzy?

18:43 I had every single rock radio station in America call me yesterday. Hey, man. Hey. You work with Ozzy. Right? What was he really like? Oh, man. We had such good times together.

18:55 But then then oh, no. We have Hulk Hogan.

18:59 Seventy one is definitely too early, and I was able to retrieve from 1993

19:05 the infamous

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19:09 during Circus of the Stars

19:11 as Hulk Hogan and Adam Curry worked together

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19:25 However, we're putting him right back into MTV,

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19:55 Okay. Everybody, let's begin the countdown.

20:26 Okay.

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20:31 Adam, how'd you like to see what we just saw you do in slow motion, dude? Yeah. Let's take a look at it, Gray. Oh,

20:38 what a ride that was.

20:40 That fire was so hot.

20:42 Oh,

20:44 that's where I got the headache from.

20:45 Man.

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20:54 And there'll be more circus fun coming up right after this. Right after these messages.

21:01 You got a Roller coaster speeds?

21:04 Yeah. I don't know. Well, yeah, it was it was roller coasters. Roller coasters average about 45 miles an hour. It's very terrifying, John.

21:12 In my rocket car of death.

21:14 You should post that video. It's on YouTube.

21:17 Oh. It's on the YouTubes. Yeah.

21:20 1993 Circus of the Stars with my cohost, Deidre Hall.

21:25 Boy, I've come a long way.

21:27 Yeah. Have you kept in touch? Have

21:31 I kept in touch?

21:34 At least Hulk Hogan will go to heaven. We know that.

21:38 That's a good I don't know.

21:39 Been to

21:41 Moscow's airport. So Moscow, you go into this airport, which was I think new at the time,

21:46 and the place is dark.

21:48 I mean, literally dark, and there's gypsy kids running around all over the place, pickpocketing people in the terminal. What year was this, John? What year were you there?

21:58 About one year before

22:01 before the fall of communism, which was some Oh, me too. Like, '88, '89?

22:05 Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. No. That's when I was there. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Well, I'm you know, I wouldn't have been able to see it because it's so dark in the airport in the terminal. But, anyway I'll be wearing the red rose.

22:15 There was the the the funny scenes were besides the kids running around, there was also one in the entire airport, there was one automatic

22:24 door that opened and closed to let people in and out. Yeah. And it was surrounded by kids who kept jumping up and down on the thing to open and close the door.

22:34 Yeah. Exactly.

22:36 Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, I was saying you're right. It wasn't it wasn't like an Argus based or electronic eye. It was a mat. It was a mat pressure pressure mat pressure mat that would open it up.

22:48 These Right. Kids are jumping, so you can't get out that door. And meanwhile,

22:52 they I had talked to somebody about this, why the place is so dark, by the way, they and some guy told me that, well, the deal is is that it was designed by a German company and they specked out all these lights. There's all these little bulbs that were inset and kinda cans.

23:05 The whole ceiling was covered with them, but there was no light coming out of them. He said they the Germans specked this thing out to a certain wattage bulb,

23:12 not to a certain lumen.

23:14 And when they use Russian bulbs, they got about half the lumens out of them. So the place was pitch black.

23:20 Anyway. Was there with the the Moscow Music Peace Festival.

23:24 Do remember that?

23:26 No. No. That was

23:29 do

23:30 you wanna get this story? Are you interested? Yeah. Yeah. No. Sure. Okay. So Doc McGee,

23:35 I don't know if that name means anything to you. He was a Yeah. It rings a bell. Yeah. A very famous manager of bands.

23:41 And in the 80s, he was the manager of Bon Jovi, Motley Crue. Well, those are the two big ones.

23:47 And he had been caught,

23:50 I don't know if he was I think that either

23:52 he had rented the Learjet or was registered to his name. There was a Learjet that landed in Miami with like 5,000 kilos of coke.

23:59 And so he got busted for it and the judge gave him, kind of a get out of jail free card

24:05 and he had to do some great community service. So the idea was he would do an anti drug, anti alcohol concert in Russia. And of course, this, you know, this went up to some pretty high levels because this was a political thing as well. So he's clearly well connected in all the right places. So

24:21 off we went,

24:22 and this I think it was 88

24:25 in a rented

24:27 DC eight,

24:29 some crappy,

24:30 crappy plane.

24:32 So Bon Jovi, Motley Crue,

24:35 Ozzy Osbourne, but with

24:37 the other Black Sabbath guys, Geezer Butler and

24:41 was it Tommy Iommi?

24:43 And

24:45 oh, man, it was

24:47 Skid Row. We stopped in Germany,

24:50 picked up the Scorpions,

24:51 And and then we landed in Moscow and it was for this huge concert that would be held in Lenin Stadium. So they

24:58 we were in the hotel right near Red Square where they actually turned on the hot water in that part of the city as a gesture to their guests.

25:07 And I could probably fill up

25:10 three No Agenda's worth of stories

25:13 about that trip there, but I'll just give you one that was pretty cool.

25:17 Because of course, you know, this was the

25:19 I'll give you two stories. This was the anti drug, anti alcohol

25:24 concert. So on the plane, on the way over, and this is when Sharon Osbourne was still just a little rotund,

25:30 kind of pale,

25:32 no

25:34 personality, have an English girl who was managing Ozzy Osbourne.

25:39 So she was on board and Ozzy was completely, I mean, completely plastered.

25:44 Everyone was plastered, but Ozzy was really, really out of it. And he's standing near the laboratory because we were all kind of sitting together. And he's like, Sharon,

25:54 Sharon, I gotta go someone in the loo, Sharon. Because someone was, you know, was occupied.

25:59 And Sharon's like, oh, Ozzy, just wait. So he wets himself right there, right in the aisle. You know, this is just like, you know, like a like a second grader, a huge white spot or a huge wet spot in his pants,

26:11 which really kinda set the tone for the rest of the entire trip.

26:14 But then What is it? What what what who who would pick that guy to go on an anti alcohol tour?

26:21 That's my point.

26:23 Oh, like the Motley Crue guys were cool, you know, or Skid Row. Come on. Or any of them. Exactly.

26:30 Though they'll be there for like four nights or five nights. So on the second night,

26:34 which of course consisted of lots of vodka and just brazen drunkenness,

26:39 it was crazy.

26:40 The Moscow chapter of the Hells Angels showed up in front of our hotel, Didn't know they had one. And remember, this was still before the wall came down.

26:48 And they were on Java motorcycles,

26:50 you know, these Yugoslavian built

26:52 bikes and and they were out of their mind, John. They were like popping wheelies, flipping off the back. It was just it was like being in a fucking movie. And I'll just never forget. It's like,

27:02 you

27:03 have this idea of what a communist state, particularly what, you know, Moscow would be like, and you're there and it's just there was no control. It was mayhem. I looked at their technology.

27:13 Their technology was like old grey Volkswagen buses with curtains.

27:17 You know, this was supposed to be the the highly technical KGB that could, you know, eavesdrop on everything and had superiority

27:24 over No the way.

27:27 Well, I'm reminded of, you know, Ronald Reagan when he became president. He was shaking his fist at Russia, he called him the evil empire, and he went on and on and on. He did this for, like, a while. Mister Gorbachev,

27:37 bring that wall down.

27:39 But then he went to Russia,

27:42 and he never he went to Russia, and it was almost like he went to Russia and had an epiphany, and he never ever again said anything about the

27:51 evil empire. Because he saw it because it's not there. Right?

27:54 Yeah. He saw it was a big bunch of bull. I mean, I I noticed it. Well, I was staying in the Mir hotel,

28:00 which is across from that Russian that white building that got, you know, shelled. Yep.

28:05 And got some nice photos.

28:08 And

28:09 and they had mics in the room

28:11 that were obviously because the mirror used to be I guess it was it was the diplomat's hotel for a number of years, then it became a public hotel big Sennheisers instead of micro stuff? It was like No. They had they they were. They were big clunky mics, but they they had been they

28:27 had been painted over

28:28 so many times because the room kept getting repainted,

28:32 and they were all just a gob of paint. And What's that bump there?

28:37 Big bump, gob of paint. And in every floor, there was a woman that was the floor woman that you had to check-in

28:44 with. They never really did any security, but they that you were told before you went, if you did your due diligence, you had to give them gifts constantly.

28:52 Oh, yes. The floor lady, if you wanted toilet paper or if you wanted to make a phone call.

28:58 Yeah. And you so you had to drop off toys.

29:01 Yep. So the the the apparently, at the time, the most valuable thing you could give to you besides cigarettes

29:07 were like

29:08 I was told this and they got a kick out of it because most of them had kids and they were these little Tonka toys or these little mini things, those little Hot Wheels,

29:15 those little things. Those were like gold in Russia at the time. Yep. And so you'd give them, you know, you'd gift them with Did you go to the the hooker boat? Did you see that when you were there? Well,

29:25 when I was in Russia,

29:27 Soviet Union, before the wall came down, they told me whatever you do, don't insult the Kremlin.

29:34 So Sebastian Bach and I, Sebastian of Skid Row, we went, we were drinking vodka on Red Square at 3AM, and we were trading t shirts for some of those cool Russian

29:44 furry hats.

29:46 We didn't get arrested.

29:48 We were there with Ozzy.

29:50 But you could have been. Could

29:52 Several episodes ago, you guys played a clip of Gene Simmons from Kiss,

29:56 and Adam said he had a Gene Simmons story but never spilled the beans.

30:02 Do you think we'll get more donations if I tell my Gene Simmons story?

30:06 Well, I don't know. Is it a good story? It's a kind of it's kind of okay.

30:10 Well, tell it. So Gene Simmons

30:13 at MTV, he you know, in the MTV days when I was there, he was managing bands. And,

30:19 you know, it's it's notorious at MTV, and I've said this many times, is the you know, your video didn't really get played, like, because it was good. It was a deal. You know? If if we if we wanted Michael Jackson on the Video Music Awards, then, you know, whatever Sony pushed on us, we'd play that in the so called Buzzbin,

30:34 which is supposed to be this hip little thing, which, of course, only played at 2AM.

30:38 So Gene Simmons being the,

30:40 you know, kind of the brash guy that he is, he could not get one of his bands played, so he burst into the music. And I used to be at the music meetings until I found out that it was a total scam. He bursts in with knee pads on, jumps up on the table, and says, who do I have to blow to get my video on this network?

30:58 And so who did he blow?

31:00 I was smiling all the way back to the studio.

31:04 I so believe this. I so so so believe this. You know that this happened to me once?

31:10 What? Did I tell you the story where this happened to me? This exact same thing. My own Watergate. Should I tell you the story? Yeah. So I just started at the television. I was 19. I was on television in Holland, and I was, like, super super

31:22 there was only two stations. So it was, you know, everyone knew me. And I went to go interview the Rolling Stones. So we're talking when was I? 19, John. This is 1983,

31:30 I think, '84. I don't know. So I go to interview the Rolling Stones in London. And we're in London. It's like one of these shoots where, you know, they're all, like, rolling around, and it's hard to get them into the room, and everyone's away. And we're talking tape. Right? We're talking analog. We're talking clapboards.

31:44 You know? This is way back in the day.

31:46 Please, you know, forget the year in 2012.

31:49 So finally,

31:50 you know, the the guy stumble in. It was

31:53 Keith and, and Woody. They fall into the room. Like, oh, hold on a second. Go in the bathroom. They're snorting coke off his Bowie knife. You know? I'm like, ah, so they finally sit down. You know, we do the interview. It was great because they were completely hammered.

32:05 And then, my producer says, oh, man. You know, let's take a picture because we can get this on the front page of the newspaper that you did an interview with him. Great promotion for the show. And no one had a camera.

32:14 Can you imagine? This this is 1984.

32:17 No one had brought a camera, but I had a new one of these newfangled Kodak Disk cameras in my briefcase. Remember those? The Kodak Disk? Yep. Yep. They had a disk. Right. So I said, oh, I've got the Kodak Disk, which, by the way, crappy photos. They took really crap photos. Yeah. They were little bitty negatives or dinky. Yeah. Like a like a View Master in a Yeah. Exactly. So

32:38 they take a picture,

32:40 and,

32:41 and we go back,

32:42 and we're,

32:43 and so we have a service,

32:46 and the service, is the Dutch Broadcasting Corporation where they would actually take it's called the press bureau. You would give them your film and they would have it developed and then, you know, then they'd send it out to the to the newspapers,

32:56 etcetera.

32:57 So I gave the disc to my producer.

33:00 And

33:01 at the time, I was,

33:04 dating

33:05 one of the,

33:08 well, she she would would just started I'm already seeing where this is headed. She had just started to she was an announcer on television. They had these announcers in in between the it's very much like the BBC does with voice in Holland. They would have an announcer, and she would sit there and say, oh, coming up next, we have this show and this show after that, and then she would go away. And then she and she'd come in, like, kind of a disc jockey of television shows. And really pretty girl, Caroline Tensa. Everyone in Holland knows her.

33:34 And,

33:35 and then all of a sudden, like, oh, crap, man. I took pictures of her with the disc camera, and they're not they're, like, not flattering.

33:42 They're naked pictures.

33:44 And so we broke into the press bureau that night to retrieve the disc

33:48 and then have it developed somewhere else where we could actually, you know, get rid of the

33:54 the prints The that evidence. The evidence.

33:57 And and it was and I still have these pictures, which is the best part. I've carried them with me through two marriages.

34:02 What?

34:03 Yeah.

34:04 What a what a what a pervert.

34:07 But these things do happen, and I totally believe that. How can we find out more about Nixon? This is great.

34:13 Well, I don't know. I

34:15 think all the guys involved with that you actually, any one of the the bur I don't know how many of the burglars

34:22 would have been privy to the real Target.

34:26 I think probably that

34:28 creepy guy that was always claiming to be there's all kinds of, you know, super spy that used to light his hand on fire, kind of what is his name? G. Gordon Liddy would know. But then you can't trust what he says. No. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's verifiable.

34:44 I love it, though.

34:46 You're gonna tell us the Madonna story. Oh, the Madonna story. Jeez. I'm glad you reminded me. Yeah. Well, you were wandering off

34:54 like like you were trying to avoid it. Anyway, go on. It's not now it's not all that big a deal. So, the

35:00 way it works is you sit down in the press office in their little cubby corner couch

35:05 so they can all listen in on the speaker phone, make sure you're not saying something horrible.

35:09 I said, Oh, so you're new. The new VJ is great.

35:13 This was not a live in studio interview? This was with the TV

35:17 Guide. Was it over the phone? TV Guide is a magazine.

35:20 They were interviewing me about being the new VJ on the scene. Oh, okay. Alright. Go on. Yeah. And so, you know, you've been doing this for because I've been working in Holland, and I'd met lots of celebrities.

35:32 And, so what did you think of Madonna?

35:34 I said, no. She's not really that nice. Well, hold on a second.

35:37 Why would they ask that question out of the blue? Because m t

35:41 no. It it wasn't out of the blue. It's like, okay. You've been working in the television. You've been working in music television. You've met lots of people. You've done lots of interviews. I was So what are you thinking of Madonna? Yeah. I said she's not that nice.

35:53 I I thought they were gonna shit a brick,

35:56 and they, like, hit the mute button.

35:59 You can't say that. If

36:01 you say that, meant to perform on the Video Music Awards.

36:05 Oh.

36:07 You know those deals those deals they would do? Yeah. Yeah. You were just you were you were being too honest. Yeah. Exactly.

36:14 You don't want honesty. Nope. Nope. That was for hired to be honest. It was your job. Wrong thing. Wrong thinking. Were hired to be a talking head and I smile a lot. Exactly.

36:27 Up and smile a lot, boy. Exactly. It's exactly what it was.

36:34 So, yeah, they they and they hated me. They never got press for me again after that. I was not to be trusted with press.

36:42 Well Yeah.

36:43 It was a screw up.

36:45 No.

36:46 It was honest.

36:48 Yeah. Yeah. It was such a double standard. Yeah. I don't wanna get into it. And those are the same people probably with the same mentality that are writing those notes in face bag. Certainly.

36:58 Bitching about one thing Same or thing. They can be honest there.

37:03 Yeah. So they're expressing themselves. Yes. It's a private face bag group, so yeah, I guess they can be honest there.

37:10 Yeah. Well, then you now you know what's going on in the background of all media. Yeah. So actually, so there's

37:16 one woman in particular, and I'm moving on back to the education stuff, if you're okay with that. Yeah. I just wanted to hear the story.

37:24 Did I ever tell you the story when I flew to LA with Sean Penn? No.

37:30 We're open we're open for anecdotes on this. Yes.

37:32 This is back in the MTV days. Yeah. Probably 8889.

37:36 And there was a fabulous,

37:38 fabulous

37:39 flight between New York and Los Angeles and Los Angeles and New York. That's all it did twice a day called MGM Grand Air.

37:46 Oh, yes. That was an interesting plane. MGM Grand Air was a seven twenty seven or seven thirty seven. I wanna say 20 No, no. It was a 20 was a longer plane. Was a it was either a 27 or 27. And

37:58 you could only I think it was like 50 passengers. Of course, MTV, you know, paid for this because they needed to get me out there. It wasn't that much more expensive than a regular ticket, actually.

38:07 And so it had a bar, It was all captain's chairs and then staterooms. There were like four or five staterooms

38:14 where you could sit three people on each side. A table could come up so you could eat. The doors could close. Now I'd been in those ones before. Like a train.

38:20 Like a train. I'd been in those ones before by myself and it was fantastic. I had this, you know, you cause can move the two benches together, you'd have a huge double bed. It was great.

38:29 But this one time I'm in there with

38:32 Sean Penn

38:33 in the stateroom with his brother, the one who, who died,

38:37 and then Sean Penn's mom.

38:39 And it was weird.

38:41 You know, they first of all, his brother what's his brother's name? I don't remember. He was drinking beer out of the can, taking his shirt off in the plane. Just just bare chested there. And and then the mom was just very quiet and it was really odd.

38:58 I'm like,

38:59 hey. How you doing? Hey. You're that guy from VH one, aren't you? I'm like, oh, Jesus.

39:04 VH

39:05 one? It's really hard. That must have been the greatest Yeah. Source of your life. Yeah. So I said, yeah, that's me. Hey, what was it like being married to Madonna? If you don't mind me asking.

39:15 And he said,

39:16 hell hath no fury.

39:18 And then we pretty much just looked at each other for the rest of the rest of the flight. Very, very bizarre.

39:25 So you never got into a conversation with him?

39:28 I know this is sad because I knew him. I

39:31 I sat down with him for an hour for a live radio interview, and he was a he was a very interesting guy. Legendary producer Quincy Jones, a giant in the entertainment industry has died. He leaves behind a legacy highlighted by work with some of the biggest stars in American history. Jones was born and raised on the South Side Of Chicago, and he ascended to become one of the first black executives to succeed in show business. He arranged jazz records for the likes of Frank Sinatra and produced, of course, the hit Michael Jackson albums off the wall, thriller, and bad. He also discovered Will Smith while producing the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. He won 28 Grammys, an Emmy, and an honorary Academy Award.

40:08 I feel like the most blessed person on the planet to have come

40:13 along the path that I came to musically

40:16 from 13 years old, know, starting with Ray Charles at 14,

40:20 he was 16,

40:21 and going to Clark Terry and Basie and

40:25 Vinny Carter,

40:27 everybody from Billie Holiday, Louis Armstrong, the way to

40:31 fifty Cent. Wow.

40:33 Wow. Quincy Jones died last night at home in Bel Air surrounded by family. He was 91 years old.

40:39 I yeah.

40:41 I always thought thriller was one of the greatest produced albums in the history of music. It's fantastic. He but he produced Lena Horne. I mean, he No. He's old. He orchestrated it. I mean, but still just the the body of work he orchestrated

40:56 Yeah. He was talented. For Sinatra.

40:58 He would yeah. So I had a a live interview with him in the

41:03 nineties on Hitline, Hitline USA coast to coast.

41:07 And I was like Do you have a copy of it? Did you play I wish I had a copy of it. Oh, you didn't keep it?

41:14 And the producer, Dana Miller, he died years ago. So I did the Yeah. They're dropping dead. If anyone knows and and and the the he was the executive producer. The producer,

41:26 his name was

41:27 Dean, I forget his last name. He went to jail for

41:30 some real estate scam,

41:33 some real estate fraud. So I have a feeling that Endless Summer Entertainment archives

41:38 no longer exist.

41:40 But I do remember

41:42 this incu Somebody has it in their basement. I hope so. It was set up in a in a

41:47 studio, like a a recording studio and it was dimly

41:51 lit. There was a table in the middle, two chairs, two mics. And I'm there, I'm like, I'm like, it's Quincy Jones, like, what am I gonna ask this guy? This is this is quite the talent. He comes in with a bottle of Latour

42:03 and he slaps it down and says, let's have a great hour.

42:06 And we drink the bottle of Vintage.

42:09 Oh, I I

42:11 don't remember. But

42:13 Quincy was a real But you're was

42:16 So when I was at MTV and we would

42:18 none of this was

42:20 rarely was anything live.

42:22 We would tape segments. And on Thursday, we would tape for the weekend. That would be called a 48.

42:28 So we tape our segments, which is essentially the lead ins, the intros, the outros of the videos without the videos,

42:33 and that would be put together later by the tape jockeys up in Long Island. They'd literally start a U Matic with my segment and then start the second U Matic with the video.

42:44 And this was the we we had made a deal. This is how it went. Made a deal. We would give Michael Jackson the planet we would receive the planetary premiere

42:52 of I can't remember which video it was.

42:55 And this became competitive because we had not purchased BET at the time, and BET,

43:02 you know, they would

43:03 they would you know, whoever could dedicate more airtime. You know, it's it's commercial deal. Commercial deals. And then we threw in, like, a video music award appearance, all this stuff.

43:13 And so it was Michael Jackson weekend for the planetary premiere of whatever video.

43:17 And, you know, so you work a full day from nine in the morning till, you know, five at night, and you're doing segments throughout the day. There's a lot of coordination. There's changes. I mean yeah. What my life was really hard being a VJ.

43:30 But it was, you know, actual work.

43:32 And then Friday,

43:35 we would typically only do a twenty four, which would be for Monday's

43:39 air.

43:40 And Thursday evening, we all got a call. Oh my god. We you have to come back early.

43:46 We've gotta do three

43:48 days worth of programming on Friday.

43:51 So not just the forty eight. We've we've gotta do the, you know, the the Monday as well. We've gotta redo the whole weekend.

43:57 Because contractually,

43:59 we had promised every single time we said Michael Jackson to follow it by the king of pop.

44:06 And, of course, that had not made it down to the studio, so we had to go back and retape every single segment saying, and now it's time for the planetary premiere of Michael Jackson, the king of pop, with his new video.

44:17 And that's how it works.

44:19 That's how he completely controlled.

44:23 The king of pop. The king of pop.

44:25 That's cute.

44:27 So let's let's just get this out of way. What was with the hair that you had there? Did you where did that idea come from? My ex wife.

44:36 It oh, okay. And it made me famous. It was a yeah. The hair You see, because You had the hair. Luckily, you had the kind of hair that could do what that hair

44:46 When you have enough, Aquanet,

44:49 which is what we had in the day,

44:50 you could probably and anybody could make that hair. I and you just have to grow it long enough, blow dry it, and tease it. But this is Did you go into makeup every day in the morning? They had to My ex wife would do that every single morning before I left the house. She would do my hair. I was incapable

45:06 of doing my hair myself,

45:07 which made me a it made me a slave to her and to the hair. Oh. I'm not kidding. I was afraid to go anywhere without her because how would my I how I couldn't do my hair.

45:19 This is no joke, by the way.

45:21 That's funny. That's sad is what it is. It's sad. But However, if What's distinctive? According to the Merv Griffin

45:28 theory

45:29 of

45:30 celebrities,

45:32 people with big heads are successful on television.

45:36 And he would know.

45:37 Look at the people he's hired.

45:39 And look at people who are successful on television. If they got a big head, and and that usually goes with a small body,

45:45 then you are going to be successful.

45:48 Al Sharpton. Yep.

45:49 There you go.

45:51 It's like a head on a dwarf. So

45:54 Well, I I will

45:57 re retell my story of Michael Jackson when I was going to award

46:01 him with the video vanguard

46:04 of the of the decade award,

46:06 which forever was to be now named the Michael Jackson video Vanguard award.

46:13 And we were starting the the the ceremony there in his studio in Los Angeles, and all of a sudden he stopped.

46:19 He had to had his guy come over, little whisper in his ear. Guy came came back with a crate,

46:25 and he had to so he was standing on the A full an apple an apple crate. Yeah. How tall a big the full one? Yeah. Well, he it was, he put it on his side, though, so it was probably about three quarter apple crate.

46:39 Michael Jackson is not really supposed by the way, that's what you're supposed to do. When people out there, when you're watching TV and you got some midget standing next to some guy who's tall Yeah. It's because they're not doing their job. You're supposed to put the midget on a crate, on an apple crate or whatever they call it. Yeah. But he But they're and they're usually painted black so you can't see them.

46:58 And,

46:59 you can have a half of one, a quarter one, and a full one.

47:04 And they if you get up, it's about think they're four inches. It raises you four inches. Yeah. That was about it. Michael Jackson, not not a short guy. If you Google Adam Curry Michael Jackson, you can see the picture.

47:15 It's

47:16 on the on the interwebs.

47:18 And you'll see that he's standing next to me. He's almost as tall as I am, and and there's a Christmas tree growing out of the back of my head. It's one of those great MTV shots.

47:28 It's been fantastic.

47:30 Except for Tina Turner dying.

47:32 Yeah. She was sick for a long time, but that really I I had I had good She seemed to be pretty spry in her eighties.

47:39 Well, she she had a serious illness. She had all kinds of problems. But, man, she that was a nice lady. I had a lot of fun times with her. Yeah. Woah.

47:49 Should I tell you one? Should I tell you a fun time?

47:53 Go

47:53 for it. Okay.

47:55 So she came this is when I was in Holland. This is how far back our relationship goes.

47:59 And she came to

48:02 I think she was doing a concert. Yeah. I'm pretty sure she was doing concerts.

48:05 And as and this is the like '84.

48:09 And so as as one does, of course, you're coming to The Netherlands and the top record retailer has to have attention because, you know, that's how it works. That's the way it used to work. You know, the number one guy in retail, you you gotta you gotta kiss his ass. So the record company set up this special lunch

48:27 for this guy who was a real farmer.

48:31 I mean, he he spoke farmer English.

48:34 He he was just he was a real it's

48:37 hard to explain, but in Holland, people understand when I say he was a real farmer. Just a real like a redneck basically.

48:44 And and so and they invited me because she was gonna be on on my show to interview her.

48:49 And it's it's basically it's us in this restaurant eating at a table

48:53 and this guy presenting this huge ugly triple platinum piece of crap that you know, you can't take back with you, you know, it's just one of those horrible music industry things.

49:04 And he starts off by, yes,

49:07 I'm so happy here to have Tiny Turner with us today and and and you could just see everyone cringing but no one dared say like, dude, it's Tina Turner. Tiny Turner has sold so many records here in the Lowlands. We live it very very much.

49:23 And she was just and I and I looked at her said because I was sitting across from her. She's like, I'm so sorry about this. This is welcome to The Netherlands.

49:31 And she was so proper and this was in her,

49:35 I think, beyond Thunderdome Dames. Remember when she came back from England? '19 of donut talk like this. Remember that?

49:42 When she got all Thunderdome y?

49:44 No.

49:45 Anyway, once the chicken arrived, I know it sounds racist, but man, Annie Annie Mae Bullock, when she she dove right into the chicken with her hands, screw the cutlery,

49:54 and we had a great lunch.

49:56 And many and many laughs ensued over the douchebag.

49:59 Anyway, just one of the many fun moments with Tina Turner.

50:04 And what happened to the trophy?

50:06 Oh, I'm sure it got left behind at the record company. No no one wants that stuff in their home.

50:11 You know, it's it's not a trophy. It's one of those it's like

50:15 four feet long and has four, you know,

50:19 You've got on your wall. Yeah. No. I don't You've got it. Even I don't have the four foot long one up. Yeah. I put it in the garage actually. I decided

50:27 new house I used it to stop the car.

50:29 New house. I decide not to put any of that in the house. It's in the garage, kinda like a Pennzoil sign. That's where I got all that stuff.

50:37 Since you brought up David Bowie, I need to tell you something

50:41 kind of interesting about Patricia.

50:44 First wife number one. First wife. Ex first ex wife number one. There we go.

50:49 Who is if anything, John, what is she?

50:53 She is a promoter

50:55 of the to be admired by anyone involved with publicity.

51:00 And I always

51:02 hold the belief. I think I've mentioned on the show that when you use the media for your own benefit, when you use the the PR for your own benefit by whatever it is to get your PR, your message into the media,

51:18 when you least expect it,

51:20 it comes back like a boomerang in 10 times force

51:24 then knocks you down. And this is exactly what happened to her. But what happened?

51:29 Well, David Bowie dies. As with every country,

51:32 every television station,

51:34 they had a talk show, and they brought in a whole bunch of people to talk about David Bowie. And they had five or six people. There's always, like, you know, the DJ with the orange hair.

51:45 They always got the guy who's writing for, like, the Dutch version of Rolling Stone magazine who has, you know, like a cardigan and a pipe.

51:51 You know, a bunch of douchebags who have never met David Bowie. Never met David Bowie. The only person who's met David Bowie is Patricia.

51:59 And I think I I've told the Bowie story, her Bowie story, haven't I? No. I have not heard the Patricia Bowie story. So when she was 20 and Bowie was 25,

52:09 then I was minus two. I just

52:12 I've been not even exist barely in existence.

52:15 She did these song contests, and she did one in Malta. And David Jones, David Robert Jones at the time was performing before he changed his name to David Bowie. This is how long ago it is. And so she's asked about this story. She wrote it in her book, and she tells a story that, you know, they hooked up, they smoked some weed, and they, you know, had some sex, and they were brought and they were running around the beach of Malta,

52:37 and that he had some kind of loin cloth outfit on that looked really funky, really strange. He had, like, shitty teeth.

52:44 And the and her punchline is he kept playing this song on his guitar as we walk on the beach. And he's like, oh, can you stop with this annoying song already? And it was Space Oddity.

52:54 So I think that's a funny story.

52:57 No.

52:58 This is like a a music business story.

53:01 Do you know who Seymour Stein is?

53:03 The name rings a bell, but no. Okay. Seymour Stein is the guy who first

53:08 he he

53:10 legend in the music business, started Sire Records.

53:13 And Sire Records, you know, has had many famous artists,

53:17 but Seymour Stein is really known for

53:20 Madonna. He really took Madonna into mainstream, did the first big album with her, and, you know, he was her

53:27 Sire was her record label

53:29 in the in the very beginning of her career.

53:32 And Seymour Stein is a real and I've hung about hung out with him, you know, back in the, I don't know, like mid eighties in London.

53:39 And just one of these really weird guys,

53:42 typical music industry guys, like he had a a fish tank in his office

53:47 with 100 pound a 50 was it no. 50 pound notes

53:51 at the bottom of this aquarium, and there were piranha swimming in the aquarium. It's like, you're welcome to go, you know, grab the £50 note if you don't mind your hand getting eaten by a piranha. This is really one of these guys. Right? Hilarious.

54:03 And and

54:05 his ex wife,

54:08 Linda Stein,

54:10 was

54:11 also a legend in the music business. She was a manager

54:15 famously

54:16 of the Ramones.

54:18 And she was the most abrasive

54:21 woman you can imagine. I mean, she would she just, you know, would she would yell. She would scream at people. She'd tell Joey Ramone, shut the fuck up. You know,

54:32 when when they were touring in in England, you know, he was complaining about everything. He he didn't like the the food and, you know, and she just said, then get the fuck back to America, you fucking these are legendary.

54:43 And it's funny because as far as I know Seymour Stein was

54:47 gay if not at least bi, but you know it was really weird these two and of course they did break up eventually so

54:55 she was X for a reason.

55:00 Legendary woman. Legend, in fact,

55:03 she had cancer and she had

55:05 been operated on cancer and she's this is just one of those famous stories about her, so take it with a grain of salt.

55:12 Four hours after the operation, she was already on the phone yelling at someone who'd fuck something up. Yeah. Just just crazy.

55:21 They found her bludgeoned to death in her apartment yesterday in New York on 5th Avenue.

55:27 Oh, really? Yeah.

55:29 As It wasn't in the news out here.

55:31 Well, the well,

55:33 there you go.

55:35 But it's just it's one of those you watch. The stories will come out. I'm sure because, you know,

55:40 lots of artists dealt with her, so I'm I'm sure people are gonna be talking about this. You watch. It's gonna be an interesting story. I'm I'm Richard Marks You don't even mention him in the book. But it's a great story.

55:51 No. It's not Well, why don't you call him up No. And tell him if you can tell the story. I don't need his permission to tell the story, do I? Well, if you don't wanna get sued, maybe.

56:02 Well, see, now I don't wanna do a book.

56:05 Boy, you're easy. You're

56:09 what a pushover. The worst thing about Richard Marks,

56:12 who I had a hit I don't even know who we you're talking about somebody nobody knows who you're talking about. Are you kidding me? Richard Marks in the eighties and nineties

56:20 had number one hits back to back, you know, just because you don't know It was the Marx Brothers or are you talking about?

56:30 I will play you a Richard Marx song.

56:33 Let's see. He sings? He's a singer? Yes. He's a singer.

56:36 Yes.

56:37 On what group? Richard

56:39 Marx. He's just Richard Marx.

56:42 Oh, Jesus. I never heard of him. No. If I'm not surprised you've never heard of him, but he's quite famous.

56:49 Let me see. What's

56:52 oh, yeah. Oh, he has all new songs. Where's his biggest hits?

56:57 Wait. Wait. Was it Right Here Waiting For You? Right Here

57:01 Waiting For You, Dick Marks.

57:06 Here we go.

57:08 This kind of stuff. Oh,

57:11 this is the kind of stuff I don't like. No. That's probably why I never heard of it. No. Of course not. This is It's boring.

57:18 Look at oh, that's Brian Adams. Hold on a second. Some candles people. That's Brian Adams. That's not even Richard Morris. Got the right guy. Here we go. This is him. This is him. There's your '19 Sounds the same. Nineteen eighties d x seven synthesizer

57:33 sound.

57:34 He

57:35 comes out of the smoke.

57:37 Oh, yeah. This is good. Oh, yeah. He's got his blue jeans on. He sits down at the piano.

57:44 You

57:46 don't you don't remember this song? No.

57:49 It

57:50 sounds like a dime a dozen.

57:54 It's a long intro. Hold on. Let's Okay. You can stop it. No. I wanna hear him sing now.

57:59 Anyway.

58:03 So I made a joke about his hair once on MTV, which was okay.

58:07 You know, I had hair. Did he have long hair, short hair, or big bald? He hair and so I said He big hair like you had. Yeah. And I said, there's Richard Marks with his hair at number four on the top 20 countdown. He tried to get me fired.

58:20 He literally tried to get me fired.

58:22 And what?

58:23 Because I made fun of him. He went How did you make fun of him? You said he had hair. That's I'm telling you. He went to Abby Konowitz. He went to Rick Crim. You know The irony would be if he's bald now. No, he's not. Well, no. The the hard part is,

58:38 you know who he's married to?

58:40 You won't know her either. Daisy Fuentes.

58:44 Now you don't know Daisy Fuentes. Nick Fuentes' sister?

58:47 You're hopeless.

58:48 This book is not for you. Okay? This book is not for you. Don't worry about it. Don't read it. Mimi and I will make a book and we'll make a book, we'll make a book. And I wanna do that whole download the PDF and if you wanna buy it, then value

59:03 for value, just send me some money.

59:05 Yeah. You'll get something out of it. Yeah. We'll get nothing. You'll get nothing out of it. No. You get something. Just want me to do it so I can go on a promo tour and And promote I think a book benefit for not having anything about Richard Marks though. No. No. Because that was a legendary fight. This is legendary.

59:20 Wow.

59:21 And then we are on a This live is you're you're you're unselling the book as we speak.

59:29 We run a live radio show, and he says, I hope you get cancer. That was Richard Marks.

59:34 Well, that was kinda cute. Yeah. So there's good stories there. It's good stories.

59:39 That's your next. USA. You're

59:42 you're up. And I've I've I've done some celebrity,

59:45 pageant judging in the past. My favorite

59:48 was in Secaucus,

59:50 New Jersey with Boy George as my fellow judge.

59:53 And this was, this was after the heroine.

59:57 He was all fat and bald and stuff.

1:00:01 Nice guy, but damn. It's really seem Boy George judging the women. I don't know.

1:00:11 That. Oh, yeah. That'd be fab.

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1:01:31 Thank you all very much for supporting No Agenda. And hour two of the MTV Chronicles is coming at you right now. Do I get to tell my time my Times Square story from 1987?

1:01:41 I would like you to go, and then then I'm going to bring out the good news about all this. And, of course, why would anybody go to Times Square? Well, this is my story, 1987.

1:01:50 I had arrived at MTV in October,

1:01:54 and a month to get set up, then my first big gig was

1:01:58 live from Times Square.

1:02:01 I was on Times Square by one Times Square. That's so

1:02:06 they had the camera up in the one Times Square building,

1:02:09 and I was down there by the guess on the crew meeting stage. Did you know of? No. I was in the crowd

1:02:15 on the ground in the crowd,

1:02:17 and they had to sign Were there squealing girls? Yes. And they assigned,

1:02:22 but there were no none of this NIVEA crap.

1:02:25 This blue NIVEA bullcrap. I don't know what you're talking about, blue NIVEA bullcrap. They didn't have that this year? You know, the big NIVEA sponsors then. And, you know, the the I didn't watch that. Well, neither did I, but I assume that NIVEA sponsored it again. They always do. I didn't hear anything about NIVEA. And they'd assigned to me an off duty cop

1:02:43 with a, you know, with a big ass gun.

1:02:45 Okay. And Paul Riser,

1:02:48 what was it tossing to Adam? Let's toss it to Adam down on time. Paul Riser, the comic?

1:02:53 Oh, it's typical. Whenever they're gonna do a live show, they bring in celebrities who are anything

1:02:58 but television hosts,

1:03:00 and they suck. They always suck.

1:03:03 So Paul Reiser, I think,

1:03:05 maybe Sandra Bernhard as well, who's definitely not good at just off the cuff unrehearsed

1:03:12 stuff when MTV wants to be, you know, trying to be a family friendly.

1:03:17 Yeah. Yes. But so, anyway, I thought it was quite an experience because those were the days when, you know, there were hookers on Times Square and sex shops. And Yeah. Oh, yeah. The place was really And it was grimy and grungy and people just, you know Great. Puking all over the place and bugging.

1:03:36 You know, there was many there were as many or even more cops back in that era

1:03:42 in Times Square, but they didn't do anything about anything.

1:03:45 No.

1:03:46 Was a corrupt little

1:03:48 enclave. It it worked fine. Peep shows.

1:03:51 Yes. It was good Crappy theater. Times. Good times. Good times.

1:03:57 Was like Grand Theft Auto. It was realistic. Totally. I think it was and now it's like you think you're in Disneyland.

1:04:03 We

1:04:04 had at MTV, we had something called Light Switch.

1:04:08 It's time for Light Switch.

1:04:10 Oh, what's that we said? Well, we have a new director of programming coming in who was,

1:04:18 I wanna say her name was Silverstein.

1:04:21 I think she had, like, some her her daddy o or something.

1:04:25 And her great idea was we're gonna have these blue screen.

1:04:28 We'll have all these, virtual sets.

1:04:31 And so what happened was you had you see MTV would come up, a video would end playing, you'd see a diner,

1:04:37 and there'd be like Tony the Tony's in the diner making in a deli making sandwiches.

1:04:42 And there was a little portable TV on the countertop, and I would be in that little TV

1:04:47 announcing the next video.

1:04:50 It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life.

1:04:53 Fucking moronic is what it was.

1:04:56 In the summer of nineteen ninety,

1:04:58 MTV

1:04:59 had a problem. They needed to get Budweiser to advertise

1:05:03 on the network.

1:05:05 I think I've told this story before.

1:05:07 No. And

1:05:08 they couldn't figure out how to get Budweiser, and and they asked me to help them pitch an idea.

1:05:13 And the idea was, instead of creating some programming that, you know, that Budweiser would want to sponsor,

1:05:20 they went to where Budweiser was already naturally, and that was spring break.

1:05:26 And that is the entire reason for the creation of spring break on MTV.

1:05:31 Now that is not that is not native advertising

1:05:35 per se.

1:05:37 It that's more product placement.

1:05:39 However, if you go back to those early those early days and I had to do some of this. I think it was

1:05:45 South Padre Island, I think. That was funny.

1:05:48 Live in Texas now.

1:05:50 Do you remember Spuds Mackenzie, that fucking dog?

1:05:54 So we had to do Bull terrier. Yes. We had to do, like, the top 20 countdown with Spuds next to me.

1:06:01 Because I remember we needed Michael Jackson to to

1:06:04 perform on the Video Music Awards at MTV.

1:06:07 And, you know, so there's then the the dealing starts. Oh, yeah. You you gotta well, then you have to do this. You have to, you gotta play this video.

1:06:15 And then we also,

1:06:18 said, well, we'll you give an award. It'll be the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year

1:06:24 named after him. And I think JLo just received it, and it it is presented as the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard

1:06:30 Award of the Year. We also, by the way, promised that we would always say Michael Jackson followed by the king of pop.

1:06:38 And we did. In fact, we once had to record a whole weekend all over again because we hadn't been told we had to do it. Anyway, I digress.

1:06:45 So Tim Cook. No. I I don't think that's a digression. That idea that you have to say the king of pop

1:06:51 was ridiculous.

1:06:52 That

1:06:53 we had to go back and rerecord everything because we didn't say it. That was ridiculous.

1:06:58 That was off the hook. That was two days of work.

1:07:02 No. This is the thing that I learned. And

1:07:05 several people told me, you know, in my late teens,

1:07:10 early twenties,

1:07:11 you know, and I was, you know, it was kinda like one of these unspoken things. And and and this person said to me, no. I I see that you've got, you know, twitches and takes, but I think it makes you look interesting.

1:07:22 And

1:07:23 And I always took that to heart because

1:07:26 these were good looking women.

1:07:30 Believe it or not,

1:07:32 you're interesting when you're not like everybody else.

1:07:35 And this is the same for versions of whatever

1:07:39 they call the autism spectrum etc.

1:07:43 Don't worry about it.

1:07:45 Seriously, I still to this day have it's gotten much better

1:07:48 because I've become much calmer about it. But I was on television

1:07:53 with Tourette's.

1:07:56 And it was crazy. I I was able to control it.

1:08:00 But, man, it would it it it took so much out of me. And and once I kind of let it go I mean, when Mick Jagger says to you, man, you got a weird tick, but it's kinda funny with an English accent,

1:08:09 you that's when you're living.

1:08:11 Yeah. Yeah. Mick Jagger thinks I'm interesting.

1:08:14 Name dropper.

1:08:16 I helped her get started in show business. Did I ever tell you that story? Okay. Here we go. Yeah.

1:08:22 Yeah. I I just remembered.

1:08:24 At MTV,

1:08:26 we had VH one at the time, and she was doing comedy stand up at, like, Rascals in West Orange, which is a pretty small place, and she was not really getting anywhere very much. And Steve Leeds, who,

1:08:37 he was, like,

1:08:39 director of on air talent, whatever he was, who now does the same job at SiriusXM.

1:08:44 He said, oh, I really wanna get Rosie O'Donnell on VH one. So, Adam, would you please do the audition with her? And so, essentially, I sat there and she talked and just made jokes about me the whole time,

1:08:56 which was yeah. She's like, Adam Curry, you're such a Barbie doll. Like, you have Mattel stamped on your butt. You know, it was marginally funny, But that's how she got started. Then she got on VH one, and that's how her career was launched. So I take full responsibility. I'm very sorry.

1:09:11 Yeah. You could have just gone back to the guest. You know, she sucks. She was really bad. Just don't put her on. It's a huge mistake in your career. No. I actually went to see her at Rascals in West Orange. She's she was funny.

1:09:22 I like I liked her. But this is a This is That's what you brought on us. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Now, of course Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:30 Here's one for the show. So I left from JFK last night on Virgin

1:09:36 and at JFK, you can't actually check your bags

1:09:40 in at the check-in desk. You have to then take your bag to the

1:09:43 TSA screening machine,

1:09:46 which is a little bit further up. So I'm rolling my bag down and I knew I had a huge delay, so I'm taking my time and I'm feeling pretty good.

1:09:53 And so I roll my bag over and there's this TSA agent, she's about six two,

1:09:59 She's got she's extremely

1:10:02 milfy. I think, you know, she's pushing 30

1:10:06 late thirties, 40.

1:10:08 And John, stunning. A stunningly

1:10:11 sexy,

1:10:12 tall woman in in uniform.

1:10:16 And I'm like and so, you know, she looks at me and I look at her and we're, you know, we're eye to eye, right? And you have to understand when you're tall like I am, you just don't get that a lot. I'm like, oh, hi. And she's like, hi. And hand off my bag. And I said,

1:10:30 don't you just miss hugging people your height? She says, oh,

1:10:35 it's been such a long time. I said, come here, baby, give me one. So I hugged her and we're like, we're doing this big embrace.

1:10:40 And all of sudden she realizes,

1:10:42 she's like, uh-huh. Yeah.

1:10:44 Gets all fluff. Girl fired.

1:10:47 But it was a nice hug. It was good.

1:10:53 You have to understand, you know, the only time that I had the best hug I ever I think I told you that the best hug I ever had was Shaquille O'Neill.

1:11:01 Oh, really? Yeah. I was interviewing What him a big dude? Yeah. He's seven foot whatever. And and I was interviewing him for something. And I said, Shaq, can I just ask one last question, man? He said, yeah. I said, you know, I know you can feel my pain here. Would you mind if I just hugged you? It would be so nice to be hugged by someone bigger than me. And he says, absolutely.

1:11:19 He just engulfed Engulfed

1:11:21 me. Yeah. It's nice, man. Hugs are good.

1:11:24 So Kennedy

1:11:25 Oh, that's my buddy. Who almost killed you. Nice. Tell that story to She broke she broke my butt.

1:11:32 Should I tell this I should probably tell the story. Yeah. You might as well re re reframe the story because we have not heard it for probably five years.

1:11:39 MTV Beach House, first year, great idea. We all go out to

1:11:45 Quog,

1:11:47 which is you got the Hamptons and then you got all the poor people. They live in Quog, it's beyond the Hamptons.

1:11:53 Big house on the beach. It was an experiment,

1:11:56 worked out really well. It later became a reality show when everybody realized that all that happened in MTV Beach House was just a lot of drinking and screwing around.

1:12:05 So all the VJs would be out there for the summer. It was real pain in the butt. You'd drive three and a half hours from the city to get there.

1:12:12 And,

1:12:13 you know, so we did all the typical beach house things and then we're on wave runners. These

1:12:19 days known as jet skis, which they're not, they're wave runners. And so I'm doing my segment,

1:12:24 but I'm, you know, but I'm sitting on the wave runner and the camera guy's on the other wave runner and he's, you know, I'm doing my segment and all of a sudden Kennedy rams into me

1:12:34 with her wave runner thinking she was funny and so I by go flying off the WaveRunner and hit my left buttock

1:12:42 right on the edge of the the WaveRunner and to this day,

1:12:46 there's still a crease in my butt

1:12:48 and it was black and blue for months

1:12:52 And she never really said sorry, which I've always wanted to talk to her about.

1:12:56 And I almost got on her podcast, but then they canceled on me.

1:13:01 Oh, that's too bad. Yeah. Well, her podcast isn't that good. Though, face to I, of course, have forgiven her since then, but it'd be fun to talk about it.

1:13:10 Well, she's quite lively on gut filled

1:13:13 and

1:13:14 I got I got butt slammed. That's right, trolls. I literally got butt slammed by Kennedy. There you go.

1:13:21 So there's

1:13:22 there's a couple things I'll say here. You know, because I have been kind of following the Osmonds

1:13:27 over the past couple weeks mainly because

1:13:31 you know, Marie was in Dancing With The Stars and then and I like that show. She passed

1:13:35 out. Right? So that that kinda got her into the news. I know Donnie.

1:13:39 In fact I raced against him in a celebrity race in Denver

1:13:44 during the it was an indie

1:13:46 event, IndyCar when I was working for MTV and and and you know, and the guy's fucking serious. Yeah. He won the race by the way. He's you know, I was impressed. He was you know, we were all out partying and he was walking the track at five in the morning, you know, finding the apex and all the fucking perfect He wanted to win. He really wanted to win.

1:14:03 I raced in a Geo.

1:14:06 Did you now? Yes.

1:14:08 MTV,

1:14:10 we followed the,

1:14:11 the Indy Circuit one year and it was one year they had the race in Denver, the street race in Denver.

1:14:19 And they had the celebrity

1:14:21 race.

1:14:22 It That wasn't a Grand Prix or an IndyCar Grand Prix style thing? Well, it If was on the streets, it would be Grand Prix more than Well, it Indy. Well, it was the Cars. Well, whatever. It was the same Cars. Yeah. Except for you. You had a Geo. Yeah. So it was this you know, it was like the guy the drummer from White Lion, Johnny Gill,

1:14:41 you know, I'm sure one of the Motley Crue guys was there and I had the in car camera. I gotta find that footage because I I of course, I went around the corner and crashed into the wall and kept going.

1:14:51 You did? Yeah. Yeah. The the stick shift had come up about two feet, but otherwise, it still drove. But the the commentary because when you're in the car and you're skidding around, you hit the wall, and you bounce off, it's like, it feels like, wow, man. This this is spectacular.

1:15:06 Then you see the footage on TV,

1:15:08 and the commentator said, it's literally like, what what because it's Geo. They go, you know, how slow it looks then? Like, it looks like I'm a grandma who's lost control. And

1:15:17 the guys who were gonna call the official race are like, oh, there's Adam Curry from MTV. Oh, okay.

1:15:23 You know? That's like one of those. Like, dude, can't even hold on to the wheel.

1:15:27 God. My Geo story.

1:15:30 I've made this mistake myself once,

1:15:33 when I was interviewing You can make the mistake, but you can't do it on

1:15:37 ugh. No. But I I just wanted to tell you how embarrassing. All the time, so maybe I'm too harsh. Oh, come on. Sydney, you're in the news business

1:15:45 as a as a news model. It is. Yeah. If you're in the news business, you don't think Sydney is a And and he's reading this on the prompter.

1:15:53 Yes, of course. These people are they don't know. Can't Tucker Carlson also that's all prompter. There's nothing that's not from the prompter. He may write some of that stuff himself. These people don't write it themselves, and they're idiots. They're just idiots. I have done this myself. I was interviewing, Fleetwood Mac,

1:16:09 and,

1:16:12 this is in the So you had a conversation with with that guy, Steve Nicks?

1:16:18 No. Much worse. I said, so Worse? Yeah. Worse. I said, so

1:16:24 do you think Lindsey Buckingham will ever come back into the into the group or is she done with it?

1:16:31 And I remember Mick Fleetwood looking at me and he was saying,

1:16:35 if his if his penis fell off, maybe.

1:16:40 Lindsey, that's funny. That's it was horrible. I don't think it's worse, but Oh, it it was for me.

1:16:46 Horrible. Horrible.

1:16:47 Horrible. Horrible.

1:16:49 When I

1:16:51 Mick Fleetwood had brought the band back together briefly in the mid almost late eighties, mid eighties,

1:16:58 and it was without

1:17:00 I think it was without Lindsey Buckingham. I or Lindsey Buckingham was here. Maybe maybe Christine Christine McVeigh wasn't it. She quit too. But I remember

1:17:09 talking to Mick Fleetwood doing an interview. The one of the the I had two big gaps in my career.

1:17:15 This was the Fleetwood Mac one where I said, so, Lindsay Buckingham, is she gonna be on the tour this year? So

1:17:23 and the other one the other one, the other gaffe just while we're on it, the other gaffe was when I was interviewing Jermaine Jackson who had a, a song with Pia Sodora, When the Rain Begins to Fall from, some movie soundtrack.

1:17:37 And and, of course, I said, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Michael Jackson. You know, it's one of those cringe worthy moments Oh, yeah. When you do that.

1:17:46 Riddle me this. Why is that guy's name not up there with Hendrix and Clapton and Beck's? I mean, he is Should absolutely

1:17:53 be there. That so I interviewed him

1:17:56 Did you? Back in the oh, yeah. Late eighties.

1:17:58 And he came into the studio because, you know, I think it was it might have been Headbangers Ball. I don't remember. And

1:18:04 this is you remember these days, Larry, back in the day, like, when when even the VJs got golden platinum records and, like, hey. Thanks for thanks for helping, son. Here's something to hang on your wall. Yeah. And he came in, he gave me a

1:18:18 his signature Steve Stevens, a hammer guitar.

1:18:21 Oh. I still have it. I still have it. Signed by sound by Steve Steve Stevens. Yeah. Then he was That's cool. Just a nice guy. Yeah. Yeah. That's so New York. Right? His New York accent. Very much. His oh, he literally walked down the street. Oh, he just walked down the street to the studio. No. They had a guitar case. Here, Adam. How are you doing? These guys were all very, very New York. Very New York. Love that about him. And then there's if there's a classic guitar story,

1:18:47 Joe Satriani,

1:18:48 who I think is also just virtuoso.

1:18:51 The guy is so good. You can look it up on YouTube.

1:18:55 There's two versions. There's a longer version,

1:18:57 and he

1:18:58 this and he's gonna give me guitar lessons. He's gonna show me no. I'm not actually holding a guitar, but he's he has a guitar. He says, okay, Adam. And he says, now this is me just some.

1:19:09 He has a little bit of stuff back and forth, but that's not really what makes you a great guitar player. And here's something you could practice, Adam. You've gotta make your faces. So I was teaching you the right face the

1:19:20 right

1:19:22 face to make when you hit oh, when you hit when you hit this one, you go, you gotta get a point of lips back like that, and you gotta close

1:19:29 your eyes.

1:19:30 That's what makes a great guitar player right there. That's great stuff.

1:19:35 Yeah. You can have the sound. It's not in the gear. I mean, Ted Nugent told a story about Eddie Van Halen where when he met him, he's like, you know, how do you get that sound? And handed him his guitar. He's like, I played it. I sound like Ted Nugent still. I don't know how he, you know, made those, you know, sounds. It wasn't trickery. It wasn't gear. It was just pure talent in the way he played it.

1:19:55 Yeah. Talent and tone, man. That's what it is. Yes. Mhmm. And the tone comes in the hands.

1:20:00 Yes. It does. Yeah.

1:20:02 You cannot I felt like for In the early days,

1:20:06 you actually could take the gold or platinum record out of the case, and you could play it however,

1:20:14 you had to play it backwards

1:20:16 because it was a gold or platinum plated version of I guess they call it the mother.

1:20:22 So was an inverse. Right? Inverse. Yeah. So so you literally had to play it backwards, but they did play.

1:20:30 They actually did play. Later,

1:20:32 it was just

1:20:33 crap. I mean, I still mine still have

1:20:36 I have later, I got the CD versions from Michael Jackson and Aerosmith, which is those are some of my I like those because I can always, you know, connect the story to it.

1:20:45 But I have a lot of the old school platinum and gold records, and they all have,

1:20:50 a little cassette stuck to the

1:20:53 the right hand bottom corner, you know, because it also sold on cassette back in the day. And those, of course, over the years have, you know, come unglued and dropped, and they're kind of loose in the case. It's just No. It's Memorabilia

1:21:05 is fun.

1:21:06 Def Leppard

1:21:09 In, I don't know, '90

1:21:12 maybe '90 or '91, Def Leppard did a tour in the round.

1:21:17 And

1:21:19 Okay. MTV sent me out to go cover them in

1:21:23 man, I wanna say Atlanta. The Omni, think that yeah. I think it was the Omni in Atlanta. I think so. I don't I don't I can't remember what it was.

1:21:30 And they were in the round,

1:21:32 so, you know, there's audience on all sides

1:21:36 and the way they got the band, you know, from, you know, the dressing room into,

1:21:41 you know, underneath the stage

1:21:43 was in, you know, these big laundry carts.

1:21:46 And so before the lights went down, you see these folks, you know, just push along these laundry courts and the and the guys got out. And that's kind of how I imagined this the way, you know, the way the memes were working. It's like, yeah, we're just hiding them there.

1:21:58 But every, you know, the press is mad. That's what they did with David Lee Roth.

1:22:02 Wow. Here's another story. In the the

1:22:05 Eat them in Smile tour,

1:22:07 they get him from one side from the stage to the back to ride the surfboard across the audience. He rides this giant surfboard, and that's how they they had him in a in a road case. They you know, but it was a big road case. It probably had a seat in it. Probably had, you know, some Jack Daniels and and a fan and whatnot, and they pushed him over there and and, and then he and then he floated across the crowd on a surfboard. Then, of course, the press was mad. Plus, Dvorak was playing an amazing solo.

1:22:32 And it was a contest, and it was a 100 winners.

1:22:35 And it would be it was a cool it was a cool MTV like contest, actually. A 100 winners would go to the North Pole for a concert with Metallica.

1:22:44 Actually, was Metallica,

1:22:46 Hole,

1:22:47 so Courtney Love,

1:22:49 and

1:22:51 one other band. I can't remember. And we and we did a cyber cast from the North Pole. It was pretty interesting because, you know, what we the only way to do it is we took a a multiplexer

1:22:59 so we could take 24 phone lines and basically convert that into, like, you know, a 150

1:23:05 kilobits per second or whatever. And we had that linked all the way down from

1:23:10 Tuk to Yuktuk,

1:23:12 which is Northwestern territory. So and, you know, literally, like,

1:23:16 you know, a couple miles inside the the Arctic Circle there.

1:23:20 Well, let's get back to the how did you get to the North Pole? Well,

1:23:25 it's a combination of many many flights.

1:23:27 And the last one is basically an otter.

1:23:30 So an otter is air you know, one of those airplanes with the huge the huge inflated tires,

1:23:35 and it's a it's a real workhorse. And it just it, you know, you can sit in it and kinda like jump seats, but it's really meant for taking cargo.

1:23:44 And yeah. So you basically land up on the ice near a drilling platform up there. And it and so in it not being the dark period, it was light for twenty four hours straight, which was really, really weird.

1:23:57 And, of course, you're up there, you know, we had our crew and so we're and we're sleeping in in the oil barracks, if you will.

1:24:04 And and, you know, as is Metallica, as is everybody.

1:24:07 And and so, you know, we're we're looking there's nothing to do, obviously.

1:24:11 And so we're like and and it's dry. Right? There's no alcohol. It's forbidden. But, you know, we figure, you know, we can probably figure something out. So we go outside and it's midnight, but, you know, kids are riding around on their bikes and it's as if it were midday.

1:24:23 And, it's the only way that some of the kids come over and we're, you know, say, hey. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. How there's a let's back up a minute. There's a bunch of people at the North Pole.

1:24:33 It's not exactly on the North Pole North Pole, but but, you know, within

1:24:38 I don't know. What is it?

1:24:39 50 miles? 75 miles? Yeah. There's all kinds of villages.

1:24:46 I

1:24:48 thought it was pretty barren up there.

1:24:50 It was pretty barren up there.

1:24:53 Oh, okay.

1:24:54 No no kidding.

1:24:56 You know, the next town was several 100 miles, and that was

1:25:00 Inuvik,

1:25:00 I think is what it was called.

1:25:03 Anyway,

1:25:07 it was September actually. Remember because it was my birthday. I put my toe into the Arctic waters

1:25:13 of the Pole.

1:25:14 I dip my toe in. It's a tradition, think is what it was. So we said to these kids, hey man, do you know

1:25:21 we can get something

1:25:23 so, oh, you you want the drug dealer? Yeah. He lives in that house right over there.

1:25:27 Drug dealer. Swear to god. These kids riding around on their bikes.

1:25:32 It was a it was a fantastic experience.

1:25:38 Well, you got me on that one. I

1:25:40 know another guy who, like a year or so ago, went and went to Antarctica

1:25:45 and some there's a cruise, I guess, you can take.

1:25:49 Breaker. Ice breaker cruise. Yeah. I think I've heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. You leave from somewhere in South America. It gets down at the tip down to Southern Argentina,

1:25:57 I suppose.

1:25:58 And

1:26:00 boat over there and crack your way into that. And that's supposed to be even worse than the

1:26:05 Arctic.

1:26:06 It relates

1:26:07 to why I was there. I was shooting a television commercial for Sam Goody and

1:26:12 we're shooting it at the Sam Goody store in the Mall Of America because of course that's their flagship store. It's the biggest one or whatever.

1:26:18 And so it's like a three day shoot and the second night I'm there, I get a call around midnight

1:26:23 in the hotel room. So I pick it up and Yeah.

1:26:26 Yeah. Prince has

1:26:29 a party over at Paisley Park, which is famously in Minneapolis as well. Says, do you wanna come? I'm like, let me think. Yeah.

1:26:36 So, okay, well, there's a car downstairs waiting for you. And so I got whisked away to the Purple Palace and

1:26:44 there was a party at Paisley Park. It's

1:26:48 Yeah. It's a it's a happening happening town.

1:26:52 So how how was the party?

1:26:54 Did you get to meet Prince? Yeah. Was he going by the name Prince at the time? Yeah.

1:27:00 No, I think he was going by the name of Prince at the time. Yeah, so for you come in, you go through a metal detector, which makes sense. And then there's like this, you know, there's a whole bunch, it's really clean. Now, you know, you're going to a real party. Real party, you're going through a metal detector. Yeah,

1:27:14 it was a big room,

1:27:18 dimly lit, but a white room across one side, just the

1:27:23 nicest buffet I'd seen in a long, long time. And then it was a DJ with like a mobile setup and he was playing all kinds of Prince tunes you've never heard before in your life. And it's like, there must have been a 150 beautiful

1:27:35 girls and boys, nothing else of course.

1:27:38 It was kind of funny because Prince was standing over by by the speed by the speakers near the near the DJ.

1:27:44 And I was talking to a couple of a couple of people. I said, gonna go over and say hi to him. And and and this one girl, I kid you not says, oh, you should you better not do that, man. You better not. Why not? Well, because you're you're like six feet tall and you're white, man. That's two strikes. You don't wanna be talking to Prince. Like, fuck you. So so I went over, introduced myself, and guy was not first of he's not that small.

1:28:05 Yeah. Yeah. You know, the stories about him, you think he was an Oompa Loompa.

1:28:10 But anyway and he was he was really nice and and he he knew, you know, what I had done on MTV just the previous week. And and he said, and my and my daughter would had been born maybe maybe she's a year old. And he said, how's how's your daughter? And he knew what was going on. It was fantastic. Was He's a business. He's a he's a artist

1:28:28 slash businessman. Absolutely.

1:28:30 Why would he be a jerk like this girl thinks? Because, well, she obviously likes to project that image for good reason because he doesn't wanna be bothered by every schmuck in the world. By her in particular, I think. Yeah. By her.

1:28:42 And and the coolest thing though was because the party ends at a certain point, you know, Prince, of course, he only made his appearance and he was there for a little while and then he disappeared. And,

1:28:51 and then all of a sudden, you know, his guys come through this room and they all they do is they just kind of like flick flashlights on and off,

1:28:59 pointed at the floor. And they just walk around, they're clicking their flashlights and everyone knows, oh, it's time to go. And then within fifteen minutes, the whole place was empty.

1:29:08 Yeah.

1:29:10 So like of a slick party. Very slick party.

1:29:14 In hindsight though, I was thinking, you know, we started our careers around the same time and I worked with her when I was

1:29:21 19. I think she was 20, maybe two I was 20, she was 21. And she was on the show I was presenting at the time in

1:29:28 in Gitmo Nation Lowlands.

1:29:30 And,

1:29:31 this was when she had her first hit, I wanna dance with somebody.

1:29:34 And I recall thinking, wow. She's really strange. She was a complete, in hindsight now, I realize she was, of course, an MK Ultra subject.

1:29:42 She was completely mind controlled.

1:29:45 You know, did whatever her handlers told her to do, not a single smile. You know? And we were young. You know? Like, when you're young, you're supposed to be like, man, isn't this cool? Can you believe this shit? This is so awesome.

1:29:54 Look what we're doing. We're on TV. You're singing. You know, no just nothing. Just a complete non blink stare.

1:30:01 Racko Welch passed away, and that reminded me that I met her in the late eighties. Racko? You call her Racko? Racko.

1:30:08 Racko Welch.

1:30:09 I thought the other name was funnier.

1:30:11 You did meet her. How was she? What kind of a person was she? I met her in the late eighties, maybe it was, yeah, like '88, '89, and I can't remember if she was in a movie or she was part of a maybe it was some promotion and I remember MTV said, oh, you should go there and and make you know, you should go and see what's going on or something. I didn't know what it was. It was very early on in MTV when I still lived in the city. Did she make it past that yet? No. She was really very quiet,

1:30:37 very docile, like, just almost like, mhmm, mhmm, you know, almost didn't say anything.

1:30:42 And and she must have been, like, 50 or early fifties then. Here's the thing here's the thing that I noticed.

1:30:48 She and and this is gonna sound weird, but, you know, that's the only story I have about Raquel Welch, I'll never get to tell it again.

1:30:55 Just like Christina Applegate,

1:30:58 she had she had a layer of fur, a fuzz,

1:31:02 like, all over her face and her arms, very light, very, you know, like bleach probably, just fur. Like, face had Furry.

1:31:10 Yes. She her face had fuzz on it. And and and I remember going, wow, that's kind of interesting. And the same thing happened to me when I met Christina Applegate at the MTV awards at one time.

1:31:19 I know that some women have fur.

1:31:22 Should I ever tell you that? That I that I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis?

1:31:26 No. This is a story for the show. Yes.

1:31:31 Was Did she hit on you? Because you're a good looking guy back in the day. I was in

1:31:35 back in the day, what is this Dvorak?

1:31:38 I'm still a stud.

1:31:41 Back in the day. I digress.

1:31:44 It was

1:31:46 probably when '19

1:31:48 did Footloose come out?

1:31:51 So Footloose came out,

1:31:54 I think it was either Foot I interviewed Kenny

1:31:56 Loggins and

1:31:59 maybe it was

1:32:02 Top Gear. I can't remember. But but then oh, yes. Because we're doing something for the MTV Awards. I was in Los Angeles and then I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis and it was right around when Fish Called Wanda was coming out. And it was at her house

1:32:16 and, and I remember it was that she said so it was after we were done recording

1:32:21 and we're just chatting and she says something to me and I don't get the joke. And she says, Adam, don't you know I was born a hermaphrodite?

1:32:30 And I'm like, what?

1:32:33 She says, yes. My parents chose female for me, but probably was the wrong choice.

1:32:39 Well, she said that it was probably the wrong choice? Yes. That that was probably the wrong choice for her.

1:32:45 Isn't that interesting?

1:32:47 Then we walk out for coffee. Then coffee, we're back in the cocktail reception area.

1:32:52 And the king and queen are just mingling.

1:32:55 And the queen comes over and I'm talking with her for twenty minutes

1:32:58 just drinking coffee

1:33:00 and she's very tall and she

1:33:03 had five inch heels

1:33:05 very closely at what she was wearing because I know I had to report to a number of women in my life.

1:33:10 The I mean, she's a very

1:33:14 a charming woman.

1:33:16 Deep

1:33:17 brown eyes,

1:33:18 lots of wrinkles around the eyes, you know, very little very little makeup if maybe just a base, almost nothing. Hair, I this was not a big public event. I don't even know if she washed it. It looks stringy.

1:33:30 No. I'm being honest. I'm I'm being being honest. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit like a hippie girl. And by the way, about halfway through this twenty minutes, there was a hair flip. I just wanna say.

1:33:40 I'm like, oh, hair flip.

1:33:43 Great. Uh-huh. I'm glad you noted that. That's good. It was right next to me.

1:33:47 There was Did she hit you in the face with her hand or anything in the process? No. No. No. There was a so she was wearing a gray pencil skirt that yeah. The what bug me was the jacket. These these details are Yeah. There are women who listen to the show, John. Think about the demo.

1:34:02 The demo.

1:34:04 Just for a second. She was wearing a gray pencil skirt. Yeah. The problem was the jacket was so ill How many pencils does it make? Does it fit in

1:34:12 the back that the it was like she was holding her shoulder blades back and it was kind of

1:34:17 perched back in unacceptable.

1:34:19 It was.

1:34:20 It's like no one looked at her and said, no. That jacket's no good.

1:34:24 Only vintage jewelry, very understated,

1:34:27 but not really pretty. Just like looked like like old grandma's old stuff. I'm sure it was grandma's old stuff. You know, the old queen. It was, yeah, it was grandma's old. Sure. But, you know, nothing like mind boggling. Just I wasn't like, you

1:34:40 know, what wasn't really spectacular.

1:34:44 That's just me. So then I think yeah. You're decadent.

1:34:49 And she says,

1:34:50 how's your daughter?

1:34:52 She's great.

1:34:53 Yeah. Yeah. Then she's, you know, she's doing all kinds of fun things and yeah. And with with comparing notes as parents about, you know, my daughter's, you know, they're now, you know, 15. I don't think they know everything. And and it says, you know, and and your girlfriend or wife, girlfriend, you know, she works at Ronald McDonald House. Yeah. She runs the whole thing.

1:35:11 So yeah.

1:35:13 And she knew everything, all this stuff, all these details. Yeah. They had the dossier open. Yeah.

1:35:20 Her two of them got together before the thing? I said, what do you think we should talk about these idiots? Well, I think they they they must have I don't know. Let's see what we got here. I'm having a look at this. Well, this Curry guy's kinda interesting. I

1:35:30 met the queen. She invited me to Buckingham Palace. I went into the front gates with the chauffeured car.

1:35:36 You know, just waited in this hall with was with other people. Give the preface give us a little idea. You were just, oh, let's get Adam over. That's exactly how some other reason. No. It's just let's get hey, he's in town. I hear he's in town. He's the Podfather.

1:35:51 Bring that mofo over. It was the relaunch of the Queen's website,

1:35:57 the royal website.

1:35:59 And and so there was a a party and it was what's the

1:36:04 Tim Berners Lee.

1:36:06 So maybe they it came through him. That would be something that he would have said, oh yes. Curry's here.

1:36:13 And and I I still had the invitation. It was beautiful, know. It's like a like a block of wood.

1:36:19 Her majesty requests your attendance.

1:36:22 And and so, know, they pick up in the car. It was a Mercedes by the way. Oh, the horrors.

1:36:28 And they went right through those front gates of Buckingham Palace and then we went in this big hall and there was, you know, waited for, I don't know, twenty minutes. But it was a hall that was interesting because it had just all these master

1:36:39 artworks that you recognize. Oh, that looks like Rembrandt Van Gogh, but you don't really recognize the painting.

1:36:44 And then we go in and then we all get to meet the queen and she's standing on a box, of course, and and she had her her gloves on and she wasn't holding her handbag like she was in that picture meeting the new prime minister.

1:36:57 And I did something which is not you're not really supposed to do, but I I promised myself I had to do it And I looked into her eyes when I shook her hand.

1:37:08 You're not supposed to do it? No. No. You're not supposed to. Are you supposed to look down or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I saw nothing.

1:37:16 It was actually

1:37:17 was kinda I saw nothing. Kinda kinda eerie. She's a robot. Kinda eerie. I don't know. I don't know, man. They weren't slanty, so I don't think she served the or she hadn't transformed.

1:37:26 And the only other thing I can really say is that she she served mom's champagne,

1:37:30 which is kind of like, really?

1:37:34 I mean, that's like $20

1:37:36 a bottle in H E B. No. It's not it's not that cheap, but it's I mean, it's a real champagne.

1:37:41 Yeah. It was just And they have a higher end version. It was standard standard mums. It's not really that great.

1:37:48 And I'm sure I voted for Bill Clinton.

1:37:51 Mhmm. I'm quite sure of it.

1:37:53 You know, because it was cool. Boxes are briefs.

1:37:56 Boxes are briefs, mister president.

1:37:58 Yeah. You know? And I got an invitation from Hillary to go visit the White House. Did you really? I wanna know more about this. Yeah. I wish. I wish.

1:38:07 I You didn't go? Had No. I had I was on assignment. I think at the time I was doing the

1:38:13 I was the only guy who could ski at MTV.

1:38:17 And they did a deal with these with the mogul,

1:38:21 the pro mogul skiing tour,

1:38:23 which meant someone had to go out. Unfortunately,

1:38:26 someone had to go to every single awesome skiing place in The United States. Oh, totally. And British Columbia. I

1:38:34 went to Whistler

1:38:35 and, you know, and I would do the top 20 countdown, a couple of segments.

1:38:40 And when I got back, someone said, oh, yeah. You know, this came to you up at the office. And you have to understand the office and the studio, there was two different worlds. The the MTV news department,

1:38:50 which came in at a certain point,

1:38:52 and they hated us. They just hated the VJs. VJs were just scum to them. We never got invited to the Video Music Awards. Oh, yeah. You can have a Oh,

1:39:00 yeah. You can get a ticket if you fly yourself out. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. And

1:39:05 so and then and this invitation had come in from the White I still have it.

1:39:52 And then Joe's like Did you ask him where Putin was looking around? That's what I would have done. I mean, I barely had time to thank him for his service.

1:40:00 But Joe was like, yeah. This is Adam. This is general John, this is Adam Curry, headbangers ball. And Flynn looks at me,

1:40:08 He's like, what? Headbanger's

1:40:10 ball?

1:40:11 What? Of all the things Joe could have said about me, he's like, hey. Hey. Hey. Headbanger's

1:40:15 ball. And I'm like Oh, brother. Flynn gave me a look like,

1:40:20 okay. Who the hell is this guy? Who's the lawyer?

1:40:23 Because I had my suit on.

1:40:25 Done. Remember Gopher and Usenet? Those were the days. Gopher.

1:40:31 Gopher, man. That was the pre golden

1:40:35 story?

1:40:37 No.

1:40:38 Yeah. Probably. But tell but tell me again because I easily forget some of these stories. So I'd registered mtv.com,

1:40:45 then I ran it on a Headless Sun three and at Digex in in Virginia, I think, They're above a Chinese restaurant. And then I and I really just I said, what domain names? I don't know. Mtv.com. Okay. Boom. Didn't have to pay anything and was all same time, got curry.com. Like, okay. I'll get that. And elvis.com. I had that. A lot of domain names. Mhmm. Then I and, of course, there was no web then, and so I set up a Gopher server.

1:41:08 And that, you know, for me, as a VJ blonde and everything, you know, sending be a the compiling binaries and doing all those. It was it was quite a learning curve, but I got it to work. And then put up little bits and bobs. Now for those who don't know who Gopher is, it was a text based navigation system with hyperlinks

1:41:23 and was pretty much the precursor to the web.

1:41:25 And then I got a cease and desist from the University of Minnesota.

1:41:29 And they said, well, you're using that commercially. I said, no. This is not MTV. This is me. I'm doing it. They're letting me do this because they don't think the Internet is gonna be anything, and they're pretty proud of the keywords they have on AOL. So we're had they're all happy. Yeah. Keyword, MTV. Right. Yeah. And music television. Woah. It was a double whammy.

1:41:46 And I think they also had some some gateway on Prodigy, so they were all set.

1:41:50 And I didn't realize that Gopher had a provision against, commercialism.

1:41:54 Yes.

1:41:55 And they said, you need to pay us $5,000.

1:41:58 Like, I don't have $5,000.

1:42:00 I don't have I don't have it.

1:42:02 And, I but I came up with had a website. Where did the Gopher angle come in? Because I was You said it I was using Gopher on mtv.com.

1:42:11 So when you you could use m it it you know, it's a Gopher d, so it's the demon. It's the service. It's the actual software that makes Gopher work. Oh, okay. So they were saying, you have to pay a license. I I'm I can't pay that. And then we came up with a deal. And you can if you if you search for this on YouTube, you'll find it. I said, what I'll do is I'll wear the University of

1:42:32 Minnesota, I think. I'll wear Minnesota. I'll wear your gopher T shirt on MTV. You mean, like, a sweatshirt or a T shirt? No. A T shirt. And they said, okay.

1:42:41 That was it. That's worth $5,000.

1:42:44 Probably more at the time. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:42:47 Anyway.

1:42:48 I I've never heard that story. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'd remember that one. Yeah. That's pretty funny. That's what happened.

1:42:55 Watch watching this trial, though, took me back

1:42:59 to my, time in court with MTV networks.

1:43:03 And particularly during the prosecution,

1:43:06 I recall so vividly having gone through because, you know, I had m t for those who don't know it, I'd read Prosecution?

1:43:12 Were you read under some criminal indictment? That's the way I felt. It felt like prosecution. It was the lawyer for MTV. It was the lawyer for MTV. Felt like prosecution.

1:43:22 Let me explain how it felt, though. Because I think it's the same general thing. And so this is about mtv.com,

1:43:28 which I registered.

1:43:29 They said, don't worry about it. We don't give a shit about the Internet. And then when I left, then they didn't even ask for it back. They just sued me, so I countersued and went back and forth. So then we went through discovery. And I, you know, I was literally

1:43:41 with, two interns for days in a lawyer's office pulling emails off of floppy disks. Okay. This is how I mean, is a long time ago. This is 1994,

1:43:53 I think.

1:43:54 But I I recall so vividly

1:43:57 MTV's lawyer

1:43:58 presenting their case

1:44:00 and sitting there going,

1:44:03 well,

1:44:04 well, shit.

1:44:06 Did I do something wrong? If you put it that way,

1:44:09 it sounds like I'm a horrible person.

1:44:12 And even though it's it's just like, well, wait a minute. That that's that's the facts, but you're presenting it in a really different light and it makes me look horrible.

1:44:20 And I just remember how scary that was.

1:44:25 And I think that that's, you know, when you when you get the same facts and you have prosecution

1:44:29 versus defense in this criminal trial,

1:44:32 it's kind of it's kind of the same thing. Like, why you can turn everything in different directions and make it sound a certain way and we have the the benefit of knowing a lot more.

1:44:41 What's the best dirt in there?

1:44:44 Well, it's all good dirt. The way they did it is I I haven't really ever seen this. They essentially, they interviewed a lot of people. I know they interviewed me for, like, five hours and recorded it all on tape.

1:44:54 And they they transcribed it and they just put all these quotes one after another for 600 pages about different topics. And it's it was pretty interesting.

1:45:03 It's a long read.

1:45:05 But it's a

1:45:06 they had my quotes right, so I presume they had everyone else's quotes right.

1:45:11 And, as it turns out,

1:45:13 what I suspect that I now know for sure that I was fired from Headbanger's Ball thanks to Axl Rose and Doug Herzog.

1:45:21 Axl Rose got me fired.

1:45:23 Why?

1:45:24 Because his his heroin buddy was Ricky Rackman.

1:45:28 And, of course, Ricky Rackman has no talent. And then Axl's they were look watching me on Headbanger's Ball, and Axl says, hey, man. Wouldn't you wanna be a VJ?

1:45:37 And I said, no. Don't worry. I'll make a call. Of course. You know, Axl Rose calls MTV. They're all blowing him. And then, like, twenty four hours later, I was off the show.

1:45:53 Hold on. That's deplorable. That's

1:45:56 totally deplorable.

1:45:57 The I fought to get Guns N' Roses played on the channel. No one wanted to play it, and that's my thanks?

1:46:03 So you wait a minute. Yeah. It's true. It's real. You

1:46:08 got them to play Guns N' Roses, made them so successful, at least on the channel, that they could call up and have you fired. Yes. Well, there's a different That's pretty ironic. Well, there's a difference between Guns N' Roses and Axl Rose. I mean, Axl Rose is a is a maniac. And I don't think the guys in the band actually like him.

1:46:25 But, yeah. I think no. It's true. Guns N' Roses MTV would not touch Guns N' Roses. They're like, yeah, we can't play this.

1:46:32 He's in a he's got a video where he's getting electrocuted in an electric chair. And I'm like, yeah. Play.

1:46:39 And then we and then they started playing them, and then, he got me fired.

1:46:44 Serves you right. And look at where I am now.

1:46:47 Yeah. You have to understand that I am persona non grata in the, in the official circles.

1:46:53 So MTV

1:46:54 has its thirtieth anniversary

1:46:56 on August 1. Yeah. Guess who's not gonna be in it?

1:47:02 Seriously. Me. I'm not gonna be in it. You're right. Yeah. John, you're you're excluded. No. And and they're, you know, they're gonna be talking about Headbangers ball and that douchebag Ricky Rackman will be on like he owns the show.

1:47:14 I

1:47:15 shouldn't get too far. I mean, you know, it's what happens when you sue a big corporation and win. I wouldn't invite you either. It's bad.

1:47:22 But it's like, they're erasing me. What expect? I'm rubbed out. I'm rubbed out from history. They just erased me. So the the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum yeah. I you know what? Here's what'll happen. I'll show They can't go get you out of the Swamp Thing movie. That's where you're That's true. Now I'm there forever. That, I'll show up and they go, hey. Adam Curry. Great. That'll be a $39 entrance fee. Oh, no. No. There'll be two big goons hauling your ass, throwing your butt out the door. Get out of here, kid.

1:47:52 Well, there you go.

1:47:54 Maybe that should turn into a book one day. What do you think? I'm sure there's more that I can talk about. MTV Chronicles, I don't think we've ever done one of these. We may have had some of Adam's stories, but not necessarily the MTV Chronicles. So

1:48:08 I hope you enjoyed it, and

1:48:11 definitely something we can do again in the future. Again, it sounds like an audiobook or just a book in general. Might be something there. I've got to think about it.

1:48:20 The memoirs.

1:48:23 Sunday,

1:48:24 a reminder, we have special guest co host Dana Brunetti, mister Hollywood himself,

1:48:31 producer of, mega hits like House of Cards,

1:48:37 50 Shades of Grey, 50 Shades of Greer,

1:48:40 many more. Captain Phillips, we'll talk about all of it, and we'll run through the news with him. And he's even buying a microphone especially for it. So tune in for that. That'll be live Sunday,

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