Wide Awakes

0:00 chop off your your bits ooh adam curry john c devora it's sunday may 3rd 2026 this is your

0:07 award-winning give our nation media assassination episode 1865 this is no agenda dropping middle

0:15 names and broadcasting live from the heart of the texas new country here in fema region number six

0:21 in the morning everybody i'm adam curry and from refinery row where we're all saying

0:26 spencer pratt for mayor i'm john c devorek yeah this guy is uh he just came out of nowhere didn't

0:36 he the spencer pratt cat well i'll tell you he is the social media genius oh yeah his videos are

0:43 fantastic i think videos plus a bunch of shills shills what kind of shills no all these different

0:52 women coming on with the they just looks like they're going to talk about one thing they talk

0:56 about spencer pratt and then there's all these these anti the other people videos done anonymously

1:02 by different outfits it's a phenomenon i'm not quite you you gave me a lot of code there but

1:08 so women come on different shows you have you if you go through the like the like twitter or x you

1:15 just see this you know some woman standing there looks like she's gonna get bitch and moan about

1:19 something. And so she starts complaining

1:21 and she goes into a big rant

1:23 about Spencer Pratt being the only

1:25 solution. So it's kind of like a Bababooey?

1:28 Well,

1:29 it's a little more advanced than that.

1:32 Well, of course

1:33 anything is more advanced than the Bababooey

1:36 gag. But, oh,

1:38 interesting. So

1:39 this guy's got legs. When is this for

1:41 the, when are the elections for governors?

1:43 That same November time? No, it's for mayor

1:45 of L.A. Oh, mayor.

1:48 Oh, and when is that?

1:49 When is the election for that?

1:50 November.

1:51 Oh, we just had our mayoral election here on Saturday, which is kind of odd.

1:58 Our guy in Hayes won.

2:02 It wasn't for mayor.

2:04 It was for the school district.

2:06 I misspoke, but he won, Alex Zavala.

2:09 Good.

2:10 A guy here in Fredericksburg won, Randy Briley.

2:14 Things are changing.

2:15 Texas is moving towards the left.

2:18 they say i think not i think not so i noticed something this past week which has never happened

2:31 in the 18 years we've done this show and it's borderline second half of show topic but maybe not

2:40 when you have a mass shooter a killer an assassin a criminal we're always looking out for a couple

2:49 of clues number 33 is a big one we're always looking out for you know the fbi to be in touch

2:58 with this person previously yes exactly three names the three names yes this is usually number

3:05 one, the three names. And here's what happened this week in the M5M.

3:35 since when has that ever happened i don't recall it ever happening so that is strange

3:54 And I think it's probably mainly media trying to hush him up a little.

4:03 Shh, got to be quiet.

4:04 We can't give this guy three names.

4:06 That makes him sound super, super bad.

4:09 And there were so many strange things that went down regarding this.

4:16 You know, everything is upside down with this guy.

4:22 you know let's get a let's get a little uh refresher on the background of cole thomas

4:28 allen the suspect 31 year old cole allen is a teacher from torrance california south of los

4:34 angeles he reportedly wrote a manifesto to his family and he's been interviewed by latv

4:39 christine frisell reports my impression is he was a lone wolf uh whack job these are crazy people

4:49 President Donald Trump seemingly unshaken, following a gunman in his vicinity for the

4:55 third time in less than two years. This suspect, seen in surveillance video running through a

5:00 security checkpoint and within moments being captured by law enforcement, is 31-year-old

5:06 Cole Thomas Allen from Torrance, California. He reportedly had a 1,000-word manifesto he sent to

5:12 his family, now published in the New York Post, calling himself a, quote, friendly federal

5:17 assassin, describing his targets as administration officials, not including FBI Director Kash Patel,

5:23 adding, I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile rapist and traitor to coat my hands

5:28 with his crimes. He also mocked the, quote, insane lack of security at the hotel, writing,

5:34 I walk in with multiple weapons and not a single person there considers the possibility

5:38 that I could be a threat. We have preliminary work into some of his electronic devices and

5:44 talking to some of those individuals who knew him. It does appear that he did, in fact, have

5:51 set out to target folks that work in the administration, likely including the president.

5:56 Other revelations so far that the suspect was part of a group called the Wide Awakes

6:01 and attended a No Kings protest in California, where he also was working at an educational

6:06 counseling and test prep company. Back in 2017, a local ABC station interviewed him about an

6:14 emergency wheelchair break he'd invented so this is still uh here he's still cole allen thomas

6:19 and this you know the whole thing about this guy fits it works perfectly in our cesspool of

6:27 cynicism which is what we are surrounded with everywhere social media podcasts our very own

6:34 troll room and so here's news nation news nation who now uh lead the lead the charge by dropping

6:42 the middle name but they did they did dive into this wide awakes which almost nobody did are you

6:49 have you ever heard of the wide awakes no it's a historical group but the administration is

6:56 working on reviewing how to best protect our president the fbi is working on finding out

7:01 exactly who cole allen is what news nation did you forget his middle name led him to attempt

7:08 that was they forgot his last name president investigators say alan professed to be part of

7:14 a loosely organized progressive group known as the wide awakes which has roots dating back to

7:20 when abraham lincoln was elected president investigative correspondent rich mchugh

7:25 joins us live so rich this is a grade school teacher with no criminal record

7:30 that's right nicole you know we're learning more and more about cole allen uh as the days you know

7:37 pass here and the group that he was apparently aligned with that his sister told authorities that

7:43 he was a member of called the wide awakes here's what we know about this group and his affiliation

7:48 with them at this time so the wide awakes appear to be part of a group called the sunrise movement

7:53 it's a political movement or organization which wants to end billionaire rule and stop the climate

7:59 crisis that it wants donald trump out of power one of their activist campaigns is ice out for good

8:06 focusing on ICE. And members of that campaign call themselves wide awakes, quite literally

8:11 agitators whose sole purpose is to disrupt ICE. In Los Angeles and Minneapolis this past winter,

8:17 they held no sleep for ICE protests outside of ICE hotels with the goal of getting ICE out of

8:24 their cities. They've held these protests in Portland and in DC too. On their website, they

8:28 write, for almost a year, Donald Trump has been using ICE as an occupying army to intimidate and

8:35 repress those who would stand against him to win climate action we need to live in a democracy

8:40 and that means preventing donald trump from establishing his own personal gestapo the origins

8:46 of this group and this name as you mentioned go way back to the pre-civil war area era at that

8:52 time the wide awakes a movement dedicated to abolishing slavery they protected abolitionist

8:58 politicians for violence while relentlessly harassing pro-slavery politicians showing up

9:04 at their homes banging pots and pans this is so strange it's like it's upside down

9:12 pro-abolitionists that were that that happened during lincoln's time and they're part of the

9:20 sunrise movement these kids who were singing and in the hallways something is very strange about

9:28 all this well the sunrise movement uh website yeah is way too slick with too many uh professionally

9:37 designed logos and signage uh and symbolism uh i'm looking at it now

9:47 yeah signage and symbolism exactly so the charge was while you're looking at that

9:55 The charge was led by former President Obama, who's like, this is the craziest thing.

10:01 I don't understand this at all.

10:03 Barack Obama claims that no one knows the motive of Cole Allen, the man who tried to assassinate President Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner, allegedly.

10:11 He's also getting backlash for claiming to reject political violence, saying, quote,

10:18 Although we don't yet have the details about the motives behind the shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner,

10:24 it's incumbent upon us all to reject the idea that violence has any place in our democracy.

10:29 It's also a sobering reminder of the courage and sacrifice that U.S. Secret Service agents show every day.

10:36 I'm grateful to them and thankful that the agent who was shot is going to be okay.

10:41 People immediately called him out for being a hypocrite.

10:44 Allen left a detailed manifesto about his motive.

10:47 He wrote that he was, quote, no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat his hands with crimes and planned to target Trump and administration officials.

10:58 Investigators confirmed the manifesto and his social media were full of anti-Trump and anti-Christian rants.

11:05 He followed accounts like Representative AOC, Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker, and Senator Elizabeth Warren.

11:11 His sister told police he talked about doing something to fix the world and that he had ties to radical groups like the Wide Awakes and the No Kings protests in California.

11:22 But Obama still claimed nobody knows the motive, even though the manifesto was already public.

11:28 And Attorney General Todd Blanch in D.C. police said the motive was clear anti-Trump bias.

11:34 Meanwhile, Obama has repeatedly warned that Trump is a threat to democracy and an authoritarian.

11:39 He has said things like Trump threatens the very foundations of our democracy and compared to some of his actions to those of strongmen, which is basically dictators who rule with personal power instead of following normal democratic rules.

11:53 Conservatives point out that Obama and his fellow Democrats spent years pushing the narrative that Trump is dangerous, illegitimate and a threat to the country.

12:02 They continually demonize Trump and attacks that are repeated by the mainstream media and amplified on platforms like Blue Sky.

12:09 Blue Sky, yes. And then on the PBS NewsHour, I checked your clips. You didn't have them.

12:16 I was I was happy because I had to find as I was paddling in your water.

12:21 Listen to what Brooks said.

12:24 I look at the 2028 election with a great sense of foreboding.

12:29 And if you look at who thinks violence is justified, it tends to be younger people by a lot.

12:34 Most progressives and most conservatives oppose violence, but you get two and a half times as many progressives say it's justified than not.

12:41 But what strikes me about this guy, about the guy who shot in Butler, about the guy who shot Charlie Cook, Kirk, they don't seem to have thought about it that much.

12:51 It's not like they're radicals who have a big manifesto and an ideology.

12:56 It seems almost flippant, the way they go into these things, almost like half-thought-through and jokey.

13:00 And I can't quite make sense of what that kind of light-hearted nihilism that drives people to, on a whim almost, do something that is horrific and life-changing.

13:12 Two and a half times more likely to be the left, David Brooks says.

13:17 I've never heard him go off the reservation like that before.

13:22 In fact, his compagnon, Capehart, was just flustered.

13:27 Jonathan, how do you look at it?

13:29 Well, excuse me, I'm not going to just let the comment that, you know, progressives, you know, more than folks in the far right are, you know, think that violence is justified.

13:41 It is something that the American people feel they're a little more comfortable with it than they were, say, five or ten years ago.

13:51 you and i were in that room we walked through the magnetometers together we stood in that spot

13:56 the thing now a week out that i've been thinking about and i keep coming back to it is that when

14:04 i heard the five bangs i remember hearing five very loud bangs bang bang bang my immediate action

14:11 was so instinctive drop to the floor under the table and be quiet like a little girl i've never

14:18 been in a situation like that but as an american and certainly as a journalist having to cover all

14:25 of these things and to listen to the the recordings and the films you sort of learn through osmosis

14:33 what to do and to me the bigger issue here is gun violence that why was i not surprised

14:41 that this had happened and i've been to that dinner at least a dozen times since 2000 because

14:47 i'm important um and so yeah there's a there's an issue of of you know people feeling that

14:55 political violence is the way to go and that we are in a highly charged uh atmosphere but what's

15:01 been sort of a specter over all of us for even longer is the scourge of gun violence yeah a good

15:08 try no one is picking up on that no one is going with gun violence at this time even ms now formerly

15:16 known as ms mbcms now even they are seeing what's really happening this is a person who attended one

15:23 of the most prestigious stem universities in the country the california institute of technology cal

15:28 tech got a an engineering undergrad degree got a master's in computer science and was working

15:34 as mika said early on he was working as a part-time teacher but he described himself as a

15:39 game developer you can find video online of him touting a wheelchair invention that allowed

15:45 wheelchairs to be more stable uh this was an accomplished uh person articulate person with a

15:53 with a with a loving family apparently who went down a path of radicalization and the reason we

15:57 know that is he's written a thousand word document where he describes exactly why he did this and he

16:03 describes president trump as a pedophile and a racist rapist he doesn't explicitly say he was

16:08 targeting donald trump he says he was targeting trump administration officials he apologizes to

16:14 his family in this post. There's some evidence that he attended or was associated with a no

16:19 kings protest. So it really fits the pattern of what we've seen with Luigi Mangione, accused of

16:25 killing the UnitedHealthcare CEO, or Tyler Robinson, accused of killing Charlie Kirk,

16:30 of the sort of people on the far left fringes who have become radicalized, who are living in a world

16:36 of unreality, bombarded by conspiracy theories, who decide that they have to take violent action.

16:42 And it's contributing to a climate of political violence in this country that we have not seen since the 1960s.

16:48 So more questions will be asked.

16:51 And, you know, the FBI is pouring over this man's writings and his social media.

16:56 They serve a search warrant.

16:57 They were at his house in Torrance, California, yesterday.

17:00 So a lot more investigation still being done.

17:02 But that that thousand word document that's being that's been widely published and Donald Trump commented on it last night on 60 Minutes.

17:10 That says a lot about and explains a lot about what appear to be the motives here, guys.

17:16 So there's a cycle, I think, at play here.

17:19 And, you know, we're seeing some, as they say, some of this is like the 60s political violence all over again.

17:25 And what are the chances that Anna Polina Luna, which I think should be she should be on the radio.

17:32 She do a morning show.

17:34 Right now, we've got Anna Polina Luna.

17:38 She's down there with the prize van.

17:40 Alan Polina, what you got?

17:41 She has hearings coming up on May 13th,

17:45 which we've been talking about

17:47 for pretty much 18 years on this show.

17:49 From Rep. Anna Polina Luna,

17:51 I think our next task force hearing

17:54 will be on MKUltra.

17:55 And from the Daily Mail,

17:56 which she reposted,

17:57 declassified CIA files revealed

17:59 chilling blueprint to manipulate

18:01 Americans' minds through covert

18:03 drugging with vaccines.

18:06 So I went down memory lane, looked at a couple of clips that we played in the past.

18:10 And the one thing missing from all of the mainstream M5M analysis for a long time is the modern version of MKUltra, which is not necessarily the CIA.

18:23 I don't know about vaccines, but we know what it is.

18:28 We know exactly what it is.

18:29 SSRIs.

18:30 You're going to get on the air and say, hey, we just give it.

18:33 This is from 2013.

18:35 It's a sedative at night.

18:37 When even Thom Hartman could talk about it.

18:39 Don't even use it as an antidepressant anymore.

18:41 And they're not going to tell you that it's an SSRI reuptake inhibitor.

18:48 Does that sound familiar?

18:49 Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, which is the same family of drugs as Paxil and what's the most famous one of all?

18:58 Prozac.

18:58 You wrote a book talking back to Prozac.

18:59 Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft.

19:01 And the thing about it is that it's not selective.

19:04 It's just a reuptake inhibitor of serotonin, but it also inhibits the reuptake of some other drugs.

19:09 But it's in that class of the drugs.

19:12 So it increases the levels of circulating serotonin.

19:14 And these drugs, these SSRI drugs, all of them have suicide or homicide associated with them, do they not?

19:23 They do, they do.

19:25 Yeah, don't worry about the sounds.

19:27 We'll just...

19:28 Oh yeah, you can hear me shuffling around.

19:29 It's hard to hear here anyway.

19:31 I have so much equipment set up.

19:32 That's quite all right.

19:32 Not to worry, Dr. Bregan.

19:34 We're talking with Dr. Peter Bregan, a practicing psychiatrist and the author of Medication Madness, among other books.

19:40 And he's pointing out that the Navy Yard shooter was on an SSRI drug.

19:45 Another one.

19:45 SSRI drugs have been associated with, correct me if I'm wrong, most of the mass shootings that we know of in the history of the United States.

19:54 Is that an accurate statement?

19:56 so perhaps we're just missing the obvious here that a good portion of our country certainly

20:04 people in their 30s 20s and 30s and younger but it's always you know the kids the kids kids hey

20:09 it's the moms it's the young dads it's the young people it's the young it's the incels sorry incels

20:16 they're all on these ssris and if all day long all day long you get messaging from

20:23 president barack obama from everybody on the blue cry i mean i saw the video of that guy walking

20:31 around the hotel hallways back and forth these people are in effect modern mk ultra it's not that

20:38 hard well this is a new thesis i like it i mean it's seen and and if and really when you think

20:47 about it this stuff has been going on since the 50s with these drugs that really brought this

20:53 home first was a drug called reserping which has been used to treat people who had hypertension

20:59 now it also became used as a drug to treat people who are anxious a drug to treat kids who are

21:05 hyperactive a drug to treat people who are depressed and a drug to treat people who have

21:09 psychosis but the interesting thing was that people being treated with hypertension of course

21:15 had no nervous problems at all. And they would say, I mean, the reporters saying when they're

21:22 in treatment in places like the Mayo Clinic, good clinics, they reported as saying, you know,

21:27 the first few doses, I became very agitated. I began having thoughts that were very unusual for

21:34 me, thoughts that included things like homicide. And it was only when I came off the drug that I

21:44 realize it must have been the drug that did this so that was there very early on uh in uh at the

21:53 1950s the reason we know about it and everybody agrees recipient does these things it makes you

22:00 depressed it makes you suicidal it makes you homicidal everybody agrees about that because

22:06 this is a drug that was cheap and generic and no pharmaceutical company had any interest to

22:12 defend it. But when exactly the same things begin to happen on the later antipsychotics and the

22:19 SSRIs we have now, of course, the pharmaceutical companies are making billions of dollars out of

22:24 this, and they have every interest to defend the drug and tell people, no, heart drug couldn't

22:31 cause this. So maybe it never really even was the true MKUltra. Maybe the algo is the MKUltra

22:41 trigger. Maybe I've been looking at this in the wrong way. Like, oh, it's got to be the CIA doing

22:47 it. No, it's all around us all the time. And Brooks maybe sees it. Capehart, he's probably on

22:57 him. No, it's gun violence, scourge of gun violence, guns. No, no. The guy had knives just

23:06 in case as an aside so there's there is something that the mainstream media can't report on because

23:15 they still have the drug companies as their largest advertisers no one's going to do any

23:20 news reports on it and no one not even the the big three you know the the the cbs nbc abc they're

23:28 not going to do it but this seems to me no they're beholden they are complete they're locked in

23:34 locked and loaded they're co-opted yes so it's no wonder that a guy like this just just add blue sky

23:41 oh they're captured yeah they are i can go on it's good you got any more i like it captured

23:47 beholden uh captured yeah yeah co-opted co-opted co-opted yes co-opted captured these we need more

23:55 overseas so and about which reminded me i wanted to mention this to you before we did the show

24:03 which was to dig up kennedy's uh promise oh his three promises four things he was going to do

24:11 stop the corruption of the of the periodicals uh stop tv advertising yeah there was a

24:21 was it the promise i think it was was it called promise it was some sort of promise or something

24:27 rfk promise maybe that's what it was i don't think it was it's probably this label we'll never find

24:33 it but now we'll find it i don't think he's done anything all he's done so far is he talks a lot

24:39 talks a bit gamey uh but he just seems to have just gotten the red dye out of food and that's

24:45 about it uh well that wasn't even one of his promises he's he's he's turned the pyramid upside

24:51 down rfk was it promises was it um no it was something else it was like a to-do list for him

25:00 yeah i'm mad now that i why can't i find this rfk jr uh well one of them was um

25:09 advertising so maybe i can find it that way oh rfk dangerous okay rfk junior

25:17 junior dangerous was that it yes i have them ready go number one i'm not intimidated by the

25:25 agencies i know how they work and i know how to change them and most of those changes you do not

25:30 need congress for the president president trump could have done it had the power to do it himself

25:36 and president biden has the power to do it himself and i'll give you an example

25:39 with a stroke of the pen you can change back the rule that allows pharmaceutical advertisers

25:48 to do direct to consumer ads on television that's one of the big problems that's why one of the

25:54 reasons we have this entrenched agency capture not only of congress because they control the

25:59 airwaves they control the evening news 75 of the revenues for those evening news shows even you

26:05 know anderson cooper is is coming from pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies so and those

26:11 companies are dictating content on those shows and they dictate the the the official narratives

26:17 and they're able then to exercise huge control over congress so congress is terrified of them

26:23 but with a stroke of the pen this is not good for the health of our country which it isn't we spend

26:28 three times more than any other country for pharmaceutical drugs because of all this

26:32 advertising okay that was one promise number two another thing that i can do is i can open up all

26:40 the the databases right now all the databases that you can actually check the efficacy and the safety

26:47 of vaccines like the vaccine safety database it's that you know it's the top it's all the vaccine

26:53 records and the medical claims for 10 million americans from the top 10 hmos oh you can look

27:00 in there and overnight you can say oh this vaccine is associated with diabetes this one's associated

27:06 with peanut allergies this one's associated with asd neurological ticks or whatever that database

27:12 cdc keeps it in a lockbox like fort knox and make sure no scientist is allowed in there well i'll

27:20 open up that database on day one day one yeah day one i'm still waiting to make my claim about

27:26 being vaccine injured and Tourette's and then the final uh promise and you know I'll also I I'll

27:33 bring all the medical journals um the the New England Journal of Medicine the Lancet um JAMA

27:41 into the Justice Department my friend as soon as I appoint an AG and I'll say to them you guys are

27:48 part of a racketeering syndicate you're collaborating with these pharmaceutical

27:52 industry lie to the american public about the efficacy and safety of these products and you're

27:58 causing enormous harm and we are going to sue you both civilly for damages and we're going to sue

28:03 you criminally unless you come up with a plan right now as to how you're going to stop doing

28:08 that so i have a like i have a hundred things that i'm going to do immediately well um hundred he

28:16 said and he said i got he said a hundred didn't you say that right there he said a hundred hundred

28:22 things so on the one on the advertising nice i think he's done more than one you know they they

28:29 did indict that one dude from the wuhan lab we'll see him yeah we'll see we'll see fauci's right

28:34 hand man we'll see where that goes he got to the 11th but on the advertising the damage is done

28:41 the only thing if if you if you take away the big pharma advertising the only thing that might

28:47 achieve and that's a big might is that there would be reports about ssris i mean we go back to

28:54 shantix shantix which they couldn't tell you that you know i still believe anthony bourdain would be

29:00 alive today if he hadn't taken shantix you know that stuff makes you crazy or made you crazy or

29:07 allegedly made you crazy you know we have tons of reports people waking up a lot of reports from

29:13 producers yeah waking up naked on their neighbor's lawn and i don't know how i got here what the heck

29:21 but so that so the ssris i think that is i mean you even if you stopped advertising kids have

29:28 breaks in school these days you know 13 12 year olds oh art everybody's 10 15 time for everybody

29:34 take your meds teach you gotta take my meds everyone's hit their meds that it's so entrenched

29:41 When I was a kid, nobody took meds.

29:43 No, you took meds, you were a weenie.

29:47 What are you, what's wrong with you?

29:49 What's your meds?

29:50 Meds.

29:52 That is the basis of the problem.

29:57 But then you just need to add inflammatory language and expose everybody to it.

30:02 And it's not just kids.

30:03 The people taking these drugs are 30s, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.

30:11 Okay, back in the day we had Mom's Little Helper, which was, what was that, Mom's Little, was that Prozac?

30:17 It was a tranquilizer, it's different.

30:19 Yes, yeah.

30:21 SSRIs, admittedly, they don't even really know how they work.

30:25 They just work.

30:26 Yeah.

30:27 So, although I was going to laugh at him, Chuck Todd kind of has the right idea.

30:35 He's such a weenie.

30:37 Listen to Chuck Todd.

30:39 You know, Chuck Todd does podcasts now these days.

30:41 I'm not going to any more events where Trump's at them.

30:43 I don't feel safe.

30:44 Wherever Donald Trump is.

30:45 Chaos follows him.

30:46 Chaos follows him.

30:47 And you are less safe, right?

30:49 If you decide to go into his orbit, you have become less safe.

30:53 He does not care about your safety.

30:56 He's not going to protect you if you go into his orbit because he's always going to protect himself first.

31:00 He's more likely to throw you under the bus.

31:03 He's more likely to have you be the target of Iranian assassins if you're John Bolton or Mike Pompeo.

31:08 And he's going to pull any sort of federal support, right?

31:11 You know, I think about when somebody using Donald Trump's words and actions targeted me and a bunch of other members of the press.

31:19 You know who I didn't hear from?

31:20 Donald Trump.

31:21 Right.

31:22 So the guy doesn't care when people commit violence in his name.

31:26 He only cares when the violence is committed against him.

31:30 And he does not see that he is a contributor to the atmospherics of the world we're living in, right?

31:37 okay so anyway uh all eyes on the cesspool of cynicism that is social media because anyone

31:46 anyone could fall prey to this anyone it's not even a political spectrum anymore it's just

31:52 whatever you've been inundated with whatever has been injected into you into your brain we weren't

31:57 built for this we weren't built for this type of information this ingestation we can't handle it

32:05 and especially not if we're on drugs

32:08 that no one really knows how they work

32:09 but they might make you homicidal or suicidal

32:11 okay

32:12 what could possibly go wrong

32:15 now I'm being cynical

32:16 yep you are

32:19 let's stick with Kennedy

32:20 are we done with this thesis

32:23 I think we are

32:24 yes the thesis is over

32:26 but we'll follow it closely

32:27 oh yes because there's something up

32:29 I'm going to

32:32 probably take the side that

32:35 It does slant you politically.

32:37 The SSRIs by itself slant you politically?

32:41 Yeah, I'm going that way.

32:44 Well, by the same reasoning, it may want you to chop off your bits.

32:49 Ooh.

32:52 Ooh.

32:54 So here we have Kennedy.

32:57 Yeah, it's a two-step.

32:57 You know, again, he's got these promises he's going to do 100 things he's done.

33:04 yeah, maybe five. But let's, here he is at a hearing and kind of backing off on some of his

33:10 thinking. Kennedy Jr. hadn't testified on Capitol Hill since September. That changed this past week.

33:17 He's just wrapped up seven hearings with several House and Senate committees. The topic was

33:21 supposed to be his agency's budget, but lawmakers asked him questions far beyond that. Today,

33:27 Kennedy testified before two Senate committees, Finance and HELP, which stands for Health,

33:32 education, labor, and pensions. NPR's Selina Simmons-Duffins was watching and is here to

33:36 give us the highlights. Hey, Selina. Hi, Rob. Okay, so how did the hearings go today? You know,

33:41 there were some intense moments, which wasn't a big surprise because Secretary Kennedy has

33:45 gone into shouting matches with lawmakers many times over the last year. I was listening carefully

33:51 to how Kennedy talked about vaccines. Prior to joining the Trump administration, of course,

33:56 he built his reputation on anti-vaccine activism, but then there has been some reporting that the

34:01 White House is worried about his stance and policy changes on vaccines as a political liability

34:06 because his positions are pretty unpopular. Here is an exchange with Democratic Senator

34:11 Michael Bennett of Colorado about the measles vaccine, and he references CDC Acting Director

34:16 Jay Bhattacharya. Are you taking the position as your CDC director has taken that the measles

34:23 vaccine is vital to keeping American children healthy in this country? Are you taking that

34:30 position today that has not been your position that's my position i we promote the measles

34:35 vaccine thank you mr chairman huh that's his position so is that a new position for kennedy

34:40 you know the moment did strike me as a bit of a shift because kennedy usually says that the

34:45 measles vaccine is effective for those who decide to take it framing it as a personal decision which

34:51 is not really how public health works so him agreeing with the statement that the measles

34:56 vaccine is vital to keeping american children healthy in this country was definitely notable

35:01 although i don't want to overstate it uh in most hearings most of the time kennedy still hedged

35:06 when he was talking about promoting vaccine wait a minute i'm misunderstanding how public health

35:11 works apparently public health only works if things are mandated yes if they tell you what

35:15 you must do this or else you cannot make a choice my body myself forget it

35:21 yeah that's what she said yeah npr yeah yeah i caught that too yeah here's part two which is

35:29 kind of interesting okay so we heard a democratic senator asking questions how did republican

35:34 senators question kennedy they were by and large very friendly they wanted to talk about you know

35:38 certain policy issues there was a lot of praise how old is she 12 i'm just trying to guess by the

35:44 voice and agreements to work together i was really at the edge of my seat when republican senator

35:49 Bill Cassidy of Louisiana questioned Kennedy because there's been this simmering conflict

35:54 between the two men. Cassidy is a physician. He supports vaccines. He made Kennedy promise

36:00 not to make big policy changes in exchange for his confirmation vote. Kennedy has violated those

36:06 promises, and I was really expecting Cassidy to challenge Kennedy about those policies.

36:11 Instead, he expressed concern. I am a doctor who has seen people die from vaccine-preventable

36:18 diseases. And when I see outbreaks numbering in the thousands and people dying once more from

36:23 vaccine-preventable diseases, particularly children, it seems more than tragic.

36:29 That was very striking for Cassidy to go relatively easy on Kennedy when it comes to

36:34 vaccines. Now, Cassidy is facing a tough primary race in Louisiana, and President Trump has endorsed

36:41 a rival in that race. These hearings were ostensibly about the health and human services

36:46 budget what what did you learn there yeah not a lot there really weren't a lot of questions about

36:50 the budget even though kennedy has made some big changes he's cut 20 000 people from the staff of

36:56 hhs he's requesting a budget cut for next year he's proposed eliminating whole agencies he was

37:03 asked a few times about programs that were being zeroed out one of them is title 10 which is a

37:08 federal program that provides free birth control and sdi testing to low income people and each time

37:13 he asked he was just he would say the national debt is really high we have to make cuts somewhere

37:19 but there was also strikingly little about his plan to stand up a new agency called the

37:25 administration for a healthy america he would need congress's help to do that and there was really no

37:30 progress on that front last year it really doesn't sound like there's going to be a priority for

37:35 kennedy for this year either now did you watch the hearing at all do you have a chance to watch any

37:40 of the other things that were going on i watched a little bit of it but i didn't get to watch the

37:45 whole thing i mean is he just a disappointment no i think he's pinned in by the bureaucracies

37:53 by the by the underlings it's just a it's a night you know he doesn't from the outside as a lawyer

38:00 suing them you know it yeah it looks like one kind of animal but when you're you're the animal

38:06 it's like a completely different thing a structure you're not familiar with you've never

38:11 been the head of an agency that's all new to you and you have no idea how how the how the

38:18 there's a mechanism in all these agencies that that overwhelms you he he can't do this you can't

38:25 do that when he gets outside and just starts talking normally to people in these various

38:31 podcasts he does he gets to talk about stuff that he'd love to do but you can tell he can't do it

38:36 Here's a clip from him on a podcast talking about the chickenpox vaccine.

38:41 When when CDC was thinking of recommending this chickenpox vaccine is mandated for children.

38:49 The they did a study and the scientists they hired to do that study was a scientist called Gary Goldman, a contract scientist.

38:57 And he did this study in an isolated place in California called Antelope Valley, a long term study.

39:03 And what they find is if you give the chickenpox vaccine, mass vaccinate with chickenpox, it stops chickenpox, but it causes shingles epidemics later on, which are 20 times as deadly as chickenpox.

39:17 So if you go, so nevertheless, despite those studies, we mandated for American children in this country.

39:24 In Europe, they don't.

39:26 If you go to the British National Health Service website right now, you can read on that where they say we do not recommend chickenpox vaccines because it causes shingles epidemics later on.

39:38 And that's the problem. You can't just look at, you know, you can say that this product is going to prevent this particular disease, but you have to look at the long term.

39:50 Yeah. I mean, but what is it? I mean, I don't quite understand. You look at Trump and Trump doesn't give a crap about anything. I'm going to do this. I don't care if you don't like it.

40:03 Yeah, but a lot of stuff is ineffective because the judges shut it down. The system shuts it down. He's in court a lot.

40:12 That's annoying.

40:13 He's got this Iran war thing as far as it got is pretty amazing.

40:19 Yeah, I agree.

40:20 But Trump's also on his second go-round.

40:23 His first go-round, he was completely flustered.

40:25 They had him on this Russia hoax thing, which Obama was behind.

40:30 Had him on the hook.

40:31 He got nowhere.

40:34 And that was four years of frustration, two impeachments.

40:38 So Kennedy's just stumbled into this thing.

40:41 He discussed earlier how cool it was that he would get this job and thank God for his prayers were answered that he could be the head of this thing and kick some ass.

40:54 And now he's in there and he's kicking no ass, as far as I can tell.

40:58 And I don't think that he's ever going to.

41:00 It would take him at least four years to untangle the web of deceit.

41:08 so as we say in texas like stepping in a red ant hill fire ants you get in that would be bad get

41:15 in oh man i there was something else that happened uh around kennedy's orbit this week

41:21 here in washington president trump making a big move dropping his controversial nominee for

41:26 surgeon general after her confirmation got stalled on the hill because of opposition

41:29 from his own party from republicans here's the president in the last couple of hours formally

41:34 signing that withdrawal after months of questions about whether the Senate would actually confirm

41:39 Dr. Casey Means. She was his previous pick. Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle had

41:44 criticized her for not being supportive of enough vaccines, for promoting the use of psychedelic

41:49 drugs as therapy, for previously criticizing Americans' use of birth control, saying it had

41:53 horrifying health risks and over her qualifications generally. So she has now been pulled. The

41:59 president and health secretary today are both blaming this guy, Senator Bill Cassidy, a Republican

42:03 for in their view sabotaging means this confirmation new pick here she is a radiologist

42:10 and fox news contributor the president says she is a star physician we should note here this switch

42:15 up central marks the president's third surgeon general nominee monica alba is at the white house

42:19 an interesting sort of i don't know if you want to call it a back down it feels like an

42:23 acknowledgement of the reality here that casey means was stuck in this limbo and i think it's

42:27 it seems like the president just wants to move on fair what are you hearing i think that's

42:31 absolutely fair, Hallie. It's been almost a year since he did nominate Casey Means and ultimately

42:36 realized that she just wasn't going to have the support, wasn't going to be able to get across

42:39 the finish line for Surgeon General. So he did withdraw her nomination. But you just mentioned

42:44 all of the key players here. And we can unpack that a little bit because Senator Cassidy had

42:49 been a crucial vote in order to confirm HHS Secretary Kennedy, right? Given the promises

42:54 that at the time Senator Cassidy had said he had received from him on certain policy. And then you

43:00 have Casey Means, who is a very close ally of Secretary Kennedy. And Secretary Kennedy is pretty

43:06 disappointed and upset today, writing on X that he believes that this was basically a large attempt

43:13 to get someone who has been, he says, sabotaged by removing this appointment and technically and

43:20 very directly criticizes Senator Cassidy. And he says he once again did the dirty work for

43:26 entrenched interests seeking to stall the maha movement this is what secretary kennedy is writing

43:31 about senator cassidy and quote protect the very status quo that has made america the sickest

43:36 nation on earth well i agree with that yeah and cassidy is a bad actor yeah he's obviously co-opted

43:44 by the pharma yeah and that's what he's a doctor so he's got creds and he's got this comment about

43:51 Oh, yeah, you know, vaccines have saved lives.

43:54 Yeah, in areas where you have like yellow fever and typhus and you have classic vaccines, yeah, they stop it.

44:02 Yeah.

44:03 But he's also all in on mRNA, which is not a vaccine at all.

44:08 No.

44:08 And, you know, the rest of it.

44:09 It's just like, or, and the flu shot every year, which, as we know, because we have the clips and we have the documentation.

44:15 That gives you the flu.

44:17 Gives you the flu.

44:18 So what, you know, but he's all in on that too.

44:21 This is so, the corruption is beyond, again, get pharma ads off TV.

44:27 So, there was a new side effect of our favorite drug, although is it a drug?

44:34 You know, they should call it a vaccine since you inject it, GLP-1.

44:38 I mean, if mRNA is a vaccine, then why not?

44:44 It's a fat vaccine.

44:44 Yeah, a fat vaccine.

44:45 So, the idea is you take the GLP-1, you inject it.

44:49 some people have resorted to saying no no no i'm microdosing it yeah that's what it is of course

44:56 you're microdosing it it's what i said for 15 years what 15 since i was 15 years old i'm just

45:02 microdosing the weed i'm okay don't worry about me uh so you know your butt falls off your face

45:10 falls in you're doing this to look better by by by losing weight what's that over there

45:16 your muscle fades away and now as glp1 drugs help millions of americans lose weight more and more

45:24 users report dealing with side effects like hair loss and that's creating a billion dollar

45:28 opportunity for the hair treatment industry oh it's an opportunity it's not just a trend i will

45:33 call it the old category resets with a wide space of opportunity for both life science and beauty

45:39 brands i spoke with one glp1 user who experienced hair loss while she was on the weight loss drug

45:45 she said she used to have really thick hair but it took a full year before she noticed it was

45:49 falling out in clumps in clumps i tell you in clumps so you want to look better by losing some

45:57 weight and the result is you lose your libido you lose your butt you lose your face and you

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47:38 talking about these other comp the other competition have you heard the new info wars

47:42 uh well i uh i know i have a little bit of inside information but why don't you lead us down the

47:48 path and i'll fill it in so the onion you know ended up winning the bid and it was explained

47:54 by some lawyers and it makes some sense well didn't the onion wanted to turn it into a parody

47:58 site a parody of what well here we go new info wars one hi everybody it's tim heidecker here

48:04 I'm broadcasting now live on the internet.

48:07 Thank you for joining me.

48:08 We have major, major announcements to go through here.

48:12 Lots going on.

48:13 Lot of turmoil the past couple of days.

48:15 On our road to total victory, we have just won a major battle, folks.

48:20 Okay, Alex and his gang of liars and scoundrels have been cast out into the street.

48:26 They have lost InfoWars, InfoWars.com, and their various platforms now.

48:33 they have been cast out ladies and gentlemen and make no mistake we uh will be the new info wars

48:41 now we got to go through the machinations of the court and we've had some setbacks over the past

48:46 couple of days but that is not stopping us it is not tempering our resolve you know as a fake alex

48:53 jones that's actually not bad it's not bad but then here's where i here's where i drew the line

48:58 the fake alex jones brings in a fake donald trump and this is just just to preface it the work i

49:06 mean there is a million people that can do trump why they got this guy this is the worst of the

49:13 worst lots going on here uh do we have anybody on the line there's i want to say tim hello this is

49:24 He's the president of the United States of America.

49:27 Ladies and gentlemen, we have the president of the United States, Donald J. Trump, a man that I have recently been feuding with over some of his policy decisions, but a man that I believe is a good man, and he's going to find his way through all this.

49:44 But, sir, it is a pleasure to have you on here.

49:46 Thank you.

49:48 We're going to have our disagreement.

49:51 And we're going to have our fights, but we love each other.

49:55 And when we love, love can conquer all.

49:59 Now, is this recent?

50:03 This is old, isn't it?

50:04 This has got to be old.

50:05 No, it's just they're using the InfoWars website.

50:09 They're doing this now?

50:11 Yeah.

50:12 Oh, brother.

50:13 That's what I said, especially the Trump thing.

50:17 That was the end.

50:18 I cut it off.

50:19 It's not going to be listed as a great parody.

50:21 So Alex Jones signed off the InfoWars on Friday at 12 o'clock.

50:29 Everybody who's been working on the show is in the studio.

50:32 I didn't clip it.

50:33 They were like toasting.

50:35 This is it, the end of an era.

50:37 And they said goodbye to InfoWars.

50:38 And so I immediately texted Sir Ducifer.

50:41 I'm like, dude, what's going on?

50:43 And he says, oh, no, AlexJonesLive.com.

50:47 Just, we needed to get rid of all the baggage of InfoWars.

50:50 The name, the trademark, the domain name.

50:53 So now it's just alexjoneslive.com.

50:55 It's the same guy, same thing, same deal.

50:57 Yeah, it'll get the same audience.

50:59 Same products.

51:00 Same dynamite products.

51:02 But I'm sure, which has always been an interesting business model, I thought.

51:07 Well, according to the lawyers that were doing an analysis,

51:11 I don't have any clips from that.

51:14 Jones was doing $36 million in pill sales.

51:18 Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.

51:19 Yeah.

51:20 Wouldn't surprise me.

51:21 Okay.

51:23 He also had a bunch of weird domain names.

51:26 He was squatting on probably 5,000 names, including, because I looked at the lists as they were going through them, joeroganexposed.com.

51:40 Hey, I've got a lot of winners, too.

51:44 You know, I was going through my domains because I have to pare down because I have just too many.

51:50 And some of them, if you get like a, you know, different dot somethings, like .fm, you don't want a .fm.

51:58 .fm is 150 bucks a year.

52:01 No, it's too much.

52:02 It's way too much.

52:03 When I registered MTV.com, I emailed the dude in charge of the internick.

52:09 I said, hey, can I have MTV.com?

52:12 Sure.

52:12 Dude, do you want anything else?

52:13 yeah curry.com elvis.com okay you got them it's good no charge nothing back in the day it was

52:22 good times back in the internet days that's when art.com uh sold for a million dollars yeah i still

52:32 have diaries you know i have infowars.nl you know your diaries thing seems to me to be unsellable

52:38 I don't get it

52:40 on the last show I said I'd give you $200,000

52:43 if you got me a million

52:44 I'm working on it

52:46 I'm going to agent this thing for you

52:48 and then we're going to get a net jets

52:49 we're going to the Bahamas baby

52:51 I'm going to blow it all in one go

52:53 you deserve it

52:55 I have infowars.nl

52:59 for some odd reason

53:00 I don't know why

53:02 why would get rid of that

53:05 no kidding

53:07 no kidding

53:08 i have a couple of clips i'm sorry did you want to do something else yeah i was going to do one

53:13 more screwball clip yeah sure so tucker was front page new york times he was interviewed by this

53:21 reporter who's actually turns out to be quite good at at doing follow-up questions with tucker

53:27 oh like an actual reporter an interviewer someone who's doing something pretty good

53:31 she was she nailed this guy i have two clips from it now there's one that says antichrist and what's

53:40 the other one i don't have it on this list kidnapper utah trans yeah this transgeneer

53:45 kidnapper transgeneer no no it says tucker no it says train oh hold on a second oh no i have

53:54 no i only have oh tucker on jd vance yes yeah okay got it play that jd has been subject to

54:03 this is well known but i'll just confirm it no stop stop it right there he starts off about jd

54:10 vance being you know uh they're out to get him it's it's he says it's well known but i'll confirm

54:17 it well he always has he's confirming what he has facts he has inside information so this woman does

54:24 not put up with this so let's start it over and and note that he's trying to buffalo this poor

54:32 girl and she's not buying a word of it she sees him as a phony who is this girl what is her name

54:37 i don't have her name on we gotta we gotta keep an eye on her she's good she's good jd has been

54:43 Subject to, this is well known, but I'll just confirm it, nonstop treachery from people on the neoconservative side.

54:53 Who are these people?

54:53 Around Marco Rubio.

54:54 And they have been totally against J.D. Vance from the very beginning.

54:58 Who do you mean specifically?

55:00 You know, I don't know is the real answer.

55:03 I don't know.

55:04 Accusing people of treachery, so I'm wondering.

55:05 Well, I know there's been a lot of treachery for sure.

55:07 And I know they've been, they were so mad about J.D. getting that job.

55:11 They? Who's they?

55:13 than the white house i don't you know i don't know the answer to that i've never worked there

55:18 so like if you don't work there you can say you you know you can say what you think you know but

55:22 it's hard to really know this is me looking skeptical yeah well no it's me being honest

55:26 like i don't really know you know okay that this is a very good clip and the reason why

55:32 is this is how my cousin lucy love her dearly when she was married to christopher buckley

55:40 which is the son of william f buckley jr etc etc oh they're not married anymore i thought they

55:46 still were oh no only they got divorced a long time ago no okay she she left d she had the house

55:52 in georgetown she had the 66 corvette i mean everything perfect perfect dc family and this

56:01 is how the beltway talks the way tucker talks and he's he's been there most of his life as well as

56:08 buckley buckley his brother the the carlson kids and this is how you talk at a dinner party

56:14 you know and you just say these things and you throw out there you know there's a lot of

56:18 noses and i'll confirm it and uh you know so there's a lot of these people and that's a fact

56:23 you know it's just a fact and no one in those circles will question it like this like this

56:28 woman is and so he's so used to just throwing that out there because someone told him someone

56:34 within the beltway crowd uh who he trusts and that's not you know that's i understand that

56:40 you know someone's connected to someone else oh i must know what they're talking about

56:44 so so he's being called out on his milieu

56:47 his milieu well she did a good job there so so in the next clip he comes up with she and she's a

56:57 reporter for the new york times and so she reads she reads a quote from him that is you know written

57:06 down word for word for word and he denies saying it and so in the middle of this next clip i could

57:13 have divvied this up a little differently but right in the middle of the clip you'll hear a

57:16 slight different in tone a different intonation and that's tucker saying the quote from a you

57:23 know from some someone should they bring in a clip on his podcast yeah they bring in a clip of him

57:28 and then they go back to tucker still denying it this is fascinating what i was saying which is

57:35 you cannot mock other people's gods and put yourself in their place period that is a deal

57:42 killer for me that's worse than the war with iran in my opinion yeah i ask because you know you've

57:47 been talking on your show about whether trump is the antichrist i have not said that on your show

57:52 So, the day after Easter, you noted he did not put his hand on the Bible during his swearing-in ceremony as president.

57:57 You said, and I'm quoting, maybe he didn't put his hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside that book.

58:03 And then on a recent show, you went further saying, here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the god of gods and exalting himself above them.

58:11 Could this be the Antichrist?

58:13 I actually did not say, could this be the Antichrist?

58:17 Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the god of gods, and exalting himself above them.

58:25 Could this be the Antichrist?

58:28 Well, who knows?

58:30 I don't know where that comes from, but I know that those words never left my lips because I'm not sure I fully understand what the Antichrist is.

58:38 If there's just one, I actually tried to understand it.

58:41 I may have said some are asking that.

58:44 I'm not weighing in on that because I don't understand it.

58:47 Wow.

58:47 Interesting.

58:50 So they have the exact quote that she reads,

58:54 and he denies it and says those words never left my lips.

58:57 And then they have, of course, they have the actual him actually saying it.

59:01 This is, to me, an indictment of what a phony this guy really must be.

59:07 Well, again, what you hear him say is,

59:10 I don't really know what the Antichrist is.

59:13 And then he goes on with that bull crap.

59:15 Yeah, because he says these things with such authority.

59:18 And then when he's called on it, he says, well, I don't really know what the Antichrist is.

59:21 And if there's just one or many of them.

59:23 And Revelation.

59:24 You know, personally, I find his so-called knowledge of Scripture extremely annoying.

59:35 Because he does that all the time.

59:37 Well, the Bible says, you know, I'm a Christian.

59:41 I'm a Christian.

59:41 That's how we do it.

59:42 That's how we do it.

59:43 so but on the other hand i know that people have accused me of saying things like i didn't say that

59:50 and then i go back and listen like oh crap i did kind of say that so but yeah but but that's but

59:58 that's different than someone a reporter confronting you with an exact quote yeah and she

1:00:03 says it was quoted i'm quoting you and they read the quote at that point would you deny it

1:00:11 No, I'd be like, what?

1:00:12 I said that?

1:00:13 I must have been high.

1:00:14 I'd do something different than what Tucker did.

1:00:17 It never left my lips.

1:00:18 Now, it's possible that he was possessed and it wasn't his lips that the words left from.

1:00:23 Yeah, it was the demon, that damn demon that scratched him up.

1:00:27 The enemy.

1:00:27 That's where I'd go with it.

1:00:30 Well, okay.

1:00:33 If he does that, then I'd be backing off.

1:00:35 I'd give him a pass for that.

1:00:40 all right over to um general patent on the down low i've changed it i i kept hearing myself say

1:00:47 gay general patent i didn't like it that much i like general patent on the down low

1:00:50 our treasure secretary scott besant and he had this he was on kudlow show which is pretty

1:00:57 insufferable usually oh kudlow kudlow always seems to be in the bag too he's in the bag for

1:01:03 everything he's just doesn't he's almost like a like a kramer you know he's just a fox version

1:01:09 of kramer but uh i like this because we got a little bit more of a timeline from besant

1:01:16 and i have a couple clips here three clips uh it was he was on for a half an hour it was

1:01:22 really good when it comes to uh the coordination of operation epic fury and operation economic

1:01:32 Fury. All right. Operation Economic Fury is helping to win the war coming from the Treasury

1:01:38 Department. We welcome back Treasury Secretary Scott Besson. Mr. Secretary, thank you for this.

1:01:43 I know you're a very busy chap, but, you know, your your economic fury is doing a lot. And it's

1:01:50 sort of offshore bank accounts and shipping issues. And I love this. The teapot refiner

1:01:57 is off the coast of China. And just tell us a little more about this, because I think

1:02:01 This is going to be very powerful stuff and is already having an impact.

1:02:05 Larry, good to be with you.

1:02:08 And to be clear, the president gave the operation, gave the order for max pressure campaign more than a year ago.

1:02:17 He gave it to me and Treasury last March.

1:02:20 It was that pressure that brought the Iranian economy to a standstill in December that led to the protest.

1:02:30 The largest bank in Iran collapsed.

1:02:32 The central bank had to monetize the debt, and that created massive inflation.

1:02:38 Their currency is down about 60% or 70% versus the U.S. dollar, so they're in the middle of a currency crisis.

1:02:46 And what we're doing now is, you know, we've been in a long race and we are sprinting for the finish line.

1:02:52 President Trump told me three weeks ago to the up the pressure again.

1:02:58 And we have gone to the buyers of Iranian oil and told them that we are going we are willing to do secondary sanctions.

1:03:10 What you don't hear General Patton on the down-low say is,

1:03:13 B.B. Netanyahu called me and said, hey, I got a plan.

1:03:16 No, this was well thought out.

1:03:19 And they even thought out and, I guess, war-gamed the whole riots.

1:03:28 Like, this will get people to the streets when their money's not worth anything

1:03:32 and they can't buy anything.

1:03:33 And that was over a year ago.

1:03:34 Now, this second clip here is a little disappointing

1:03:38 because they talk about crypto and it's very unclear whether is it bitcoin is it ethereum

1:03:45 is it stable coin i'm pretty sure it's mainly stable coin which also shows you how they will

1:03:53 be willing to use stable coin in the future but it all falls under the heading of crypto

1:03:58 seizing assets are you not that's right larry uh we were able to they grab about 350 million

1:04:07 the crypto assets, and then on top of another hundred that we had recently gotten.

1:04:13 So we're almost at half a billion there.

1:04:16 And we are freezing bank accounts everywhere.

1:04:20 More importantly, we are making people less willing to deal with the regime.

1:04:25 And then so it's the economic fury along with the blockade,

1:04:30 Because now the port at Karg Island is at a virtual standstill in terms of loadings.

1:04:39 We think that the Iranian storage will be full soon.

1:04:43 They'll have to start capping in their wells, which will lead to permanent problems.

1:04:50 And, you know, again, the regime won't be able to pay their soldiers.

1:04:55 And equally important, Larry, is they won't be able to fund their proxy.

1:05:00 whether it's hezbollah hamas around the world because one of president trump's goals in this

1:05:06 was to stop iran's ability to project terrorist power around the world iran was the largest

1:05:13 sponsor of state terrorism around the world they've been killing americans there for the

1:05:18 past 47 years and that's coming to a stop now all right so okay crypto but this final clip

1:05:27 this i think shows the genius of what besant was doing and remember this guy worked for soros he

1:05:33 knows how the system works he knows how the money flows he understands finance finance

1:05:39 and this is how they decided to break up opec two more things sir i know you're busy chap but one is

1:05:47 i kind of love what you did with the uae you gave them a dollar swap lines they weren't in trouble

1:05:54 But they're part of the dollar group now, not the yuan or the petro-yuan group.

1:05:58 And they're leaving OPEC.

1:06:00 They can produce a couple million barrels more per day from maybe two, two and a half million to as much as five million.

1:06:09 The UAE has chosen to side with the United States in the dollar block.

1:06:13 I think that's most significant.

1:06:15 Whatever you did, whatever you have up your sleeve, Mr. Besson, I think is a pretty clever play.

1:06:22 Look, the UAE and several other Gulf countries and some of our Asian allies have requested swap lines.

1:06:32 And to be clear, Larry, that a swap line is not a bailout.

1:06:36 It is just a swap for U.S. dollars for the local currency at a fixed price.

1:06:44 It is either done from the Fed or Treasury to the central bank.

1:06:49 It is the ironclad credit.

1:06:52 These are some of the most liquid countries in the world,

1:06:55 and they just asked for the swap line as another layer of prevention and safety.

1:07:02 So we are happy to support our allies during this time.

1:07:08 And this is when, during a conflict, we stand by them,

1:07:13 and we show our support both militarily and economically.

1:07:18 And the UAE has made the decision to get out of OPEC, which is why I'm confident that once we get on the other side of this conflict, that we will see oil prices and gasoline prices lower than they were when the conflict began.

1:07:34 And if you look at the forward crude market, it's telling you the same thing.

1:07:38 I mean, they've basically chosen free markets over price controls.

1:07:42 And my guess, I don't know, Venezuela, Ecuador, Nigeria, they may follow suit.

1:07:48 The Abraham Accords may go a lot

1:07:50 lower. The dollar system,

1:07:51 you've always been a strong dollar guy.

1:07:54 That's why I think this is a great move.

1:07:55 I'm not sure people understand just how

1:07:58 important this UAE thing is.

1:07:59 But I wanted to highlight it.

1:08:02 I agree with Kudlow.

1:08:03 I think this is a great move.

1:08:05 And you watch. You watch ships going

1:08:07 straight to UAE.

1:08:09 They're all in the dollar system. Stay in the

1:08:12 dollars. You don't want that stable coin.

1:08:14 Yeah. That's why the swap line.

1:08:16 Those clips kind of, since they talk about

1:08:18 iranian oil going to china have a china clip you uh on this and i think there's an odd clip

1:08:25 because they're warning the chinese public for so i don't know what the public's got to do with this

1:08:30 but play the china using iran oil clip china is instructing its citizens not to comply with new

1:08:37 u.s sanctions on chinese oil refiners after the u.s said the five oil refiners were buying iranian

1:08:44 oil. NPR's Emily Fang reports. China's Commerce Ministry said for the sake of national security,

1:08:50 the U.S. sanctions would not be enforced. Before the war, most of Iran's oil ended up at small

1:08:55 private refineries in China, ferried there by a so-called shadow fleet of ships, which the U.S.

1:09:01 has also begun sanctioning. And that oil trade, the U.S. says, provided Iran's regime with much

1:09:06 needed cash. U.S. sanctions means those oil refineries in China will not be able to use

1:09:12 the U.S. dollar to do business or buy international insurance or dock at Western ports.

1:09:17 But China settles most of its purchases with Iran in Chinese renminbi.

1:09:21 And today's announcement that it will not recognize these American sanctions is a clear

1:09:26 signal to ships carrying Iranian oil that the Chinese refiners would still be happy

1:09:31 to receive their cargo.

1:09:33 Emily Fang, NPR News.

1:09:34 I mean, if Iran is receiving renminbi, what are they going to do with it?

1:09:42 what are you going to buy with that where do you i mean if you want some food buy chinese

1:09:48 unless you buy unless you okay yeah that's about it why even bother with the money part

1:09:55 just ship some missiles over oh because that's not that easy nah nah the shadow fleet is real

1:10:04 that's that's for sure you ever look at a world map of all the oil tankers in the ocean at one

1:10:10 yeah there's it's like it's like millions i don't know about millions but there's a lot of well

1:10:15 there's thousands hundreds i'd say hundreds i think there's at least a thousand i think there's

1:10:21 what are you eating no i'm having a lozenge oh okay all right valid so i don't know i i think

1:10:31 that we've got opec falling apart you've got uae like hey we want to pump more we want more we

1:10:37 want to do we're we're buddies we want to be in the dollar uh we can do five million barrels

1:10:43 then saudi arabia goes hi we can do that we want to do some more oil and then more oil more oil

1:10:50 yeah once they all get they all take them get the bug yeah then you won't even need you won't

1:10:55 even need iranian oil it's like we got enough of this stuff it's good yeah i can see it now of

1:11:03 course uh we have some issues with uh with the war or should we say it's a military operation

1:11:11 i'm not sure if we call it a war military operation uh is it a war i don't know what

1:11:16 it's called anymore just an embargo i don't know you say that you're not actively at war

1:11:20 here is what president trump had to say on friday i want to play it for you get your reaction on the

1:11:25 other side this is from this morning meet the press with todd blanche they don't like the word

1:11:29 war and they call it a military operation because that way you don't have a war you don't have

1:11:36 legal problems is the president effectively arguing if you don't call it a war you don't

1:11:42 have legal problems he's talking about the war powers resolution yeah right because that way

1:11:46 you don't have a war you don't have legal problems is the president effectively arguing that he can

1:11:52 avoid congressional approval by avoiding using the word war he's not effectively arguing anything

1:11:58 except that he is trying to keep this country safe oh okay all right all right todd blanchett

1:12:03 here's a good yes man let's go to nbc the war is now 60 days old an important marker a 1973 law

1:12:10 requires the president to end military conflicts unless the commander-in-chief gets congressional

1:12:16 approval to continue the administration says the ongoing ceasefire paused that 60-day clock

1:12:22 republican leadership agrees but democrats and some republicans say it's time congress gets

1:12:29 involved one gop lawmaker says she plans to introduce an authorization for use of military

1:12:35 force aumf when the senate returns the president should have come to congress before engaging in

1:12:42 military action at this scale that we're seeing now and that regrettably did not happen iran

1:12:48 essentially shut down the Strait of Hormuz when fighting started. Now, a new memo seen by NBC News

1:12:54 shows the administration launching a new effort to get allies to reopen the waterway and get oil

1:13:00 tankers moving. This as American drivers face surging gas prices, with the average cost of a

1:13:06 gallon now $4.39. But in many parts of the country, it's even higher. $6.19, I'm not touching it.

1:13:14 I had $40, $50 to fill my tank, but now it's from empty, it's $80 to $90.

1:13:18 That's forced drivers to find alternative ways of getting around.

1:13:23 I just got a monthly bus pass.

1:13:25 Kind of putting in that calculation of how much this thing costs

1:13:28 and how much it costs to drive every day,

1:13:30 it just makes so much more sense as a college student just to do this.

1:13:33 President Trump says he doesn't need congressional approval for the war.

1:13:37 In letters to Congress today, he says the hostilities that began on February 28th

1:13:42 terminated the day the ceasefire began last month but he did not address the naval blockade on

1:13:47 iranian ports that's not war that's just a blockade come on congress is flummoxed by this

1:13:55 like well no one ever did this no one ever called it something else oh wait a minute blanche blanche

1:14:01 republican senator susan collins posted quote the president's authority as commander-in-chief

1:14:07 is not without limits that deadline is not a suggestion it is a requirement are there any

1:14:13 legal limits on the president's powers to carry out the war with iran suggesting that president

1:14:19 trump or this administration or the department of war is violating the law is just completely

1:14:24 wrong it's not appropriate to say that we are not we are complying with the law oh man he is a yes

1:14:30 man don't answer the question just say it's inappropriate it's wrong axios reports per

1:14:36 sources, the plan set a one-month deadline for negotiations on a deal to reopen the Strait of

1:14:41 Hormuz and the U.S. naval blockade and permanently end the war in Iran and in Lebanon. Per the

1:14:47 Iranian proposal, only after such a deal is reached, another month of negotiations would

1:14:52 be launched to try and reach a deal on the nuclear program, the two sources said. The

1:14:57 president is leaving the door open for more strikes if a deal is not reached. Yes, we continue. This

1:15:03 will go on it'll be another month at least and abc well maybe uh maybe if we just tell him that

1:15:10 his numbers suck and in this new abc news washington post ipsos poll trump is underwater

1:15:15 on every single issue they tested with two-thirds of americans saying what if you're underwater

1:15:21 what is the what is the baseline for underwater i think 50 okay country is headed in the wrong

1:15:28 direction. But that being said, his base is still with him. Eighty-five percent of Republicans

1:15:34 approve, but look closer, the share who strongly approve has dropped to 45 percent, and that is

1:15:40 the lowest among Republicans across both of his terms. Then if we dig into the issues that's

1:15:46 driving this, about three-quarters of Americans disapprove of how Trump is handling the cost of

1:15:51 living. Roughly two-thirds disapprove on the economy, the issue that Trump campaigned on,

1:15:56 And a majority say using military force against Iran was a mistake, Gio.

1:16:01 Mistake. It's a big mistake. It's a big mistake. It's a big mistake.

1:16:07 And of course, the president, Ducey, he must have tea with the president all the time, don't you think?

1:16:17 Well, he's definitely the number one go-to guy for the press corps.

1:16:22 Oh, yeah. I mean, he gets the questions ahead of time, and then I'm sure it's like, make it sound good, Deucey.

1:16:29 ...commander come in here yesterday. Was he briefing you on a different approach, options? What kind of options? How would it look different?

1:16:38 Well, there are options. I mean, do we want to go and just blast the hell out of him and finish him forever, or do we want to try and make a deal? I mean, those are the options.

1:16:46 Do you want to go blast the hell out of him?

1:16:48 I prefer not.

1:16:50 On a human basis, I prefer not, but that's the option.

1:16:53 Do we want to go in there heavy and just blast them away,

1:16:58 or do we want to do something?

1:17:00 They're a very disjointed union ship,

1:17:02 as you can understand, Peter, very disjointed.

1:17:04 I mean, they're not getting along with each other,

1:17:09 and it puts us in a bad position.

1:17:11 One group wants to make a certain deal.

1:17:13 The other group wants to make a certain deal,

1:17:16 Including the hardliners. The hardliners want to make a deal, too.

1:17:19 Why wouldn't they? They have no Navy. They have no Air Force.

1:17:23 They have no anti-aircraft. They have no nothing.

1:17:27 Something about a New Yorker saying they have no nothing.

1:17:32 It's just great. They have no nothing.

1:17:35 But on the way back, when we're done with Iran, which I think will probably be in about 45 days,

1:17:41 when we're done with Iran, we're going to swing by Cuba.

1:17:43 Thank you, Dan. Good job.

1:17:46 An architect who's really talented.

1:17:48 He's done a lot of work for me.

1:17:49 He's got a flair, a beautiful Hispanic flair in particular.

1:17:53 And he comes from originally a place called Cuba.

1:17:56 Cuba.

1:17:56 Which we will be taking over almost immediately.

1:17:59 No, Cuba's got problems.

1:18:05 We'll finish one first.

1:18:08 I like to finish a job.

1:18:09 On the way back from what we'll do,

1:18:13 on the way back from Iran,

1:18:16 We'll have one of our big, maybe the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier, the biggest in the world.

1:18:21 We'll have that come in, stop about 100 yards offshore, and they'll say, thank you very much.

1:18:27 We give up.

1:18:28 People get so disjointed over these jokes.

1:18:33 Seriously, I see it in the troll room.

1:18:36 He's laughing about murdering people.

1:18:38 Get a grip on your pearls.

1:18:43 And this was a gem about Ilhan Omar.

1:18:46 Ah, this is your president in true stand-up form.

1:18:51 But J.D.'s done a great job.

1:18:53 Thousands and thousands of people are, it's a fraud.

1:18:57 I mean, look at the wonderful country.

1:19:00 It's a beautiful country.

1:19:01 You should try it sometime, Somalia.

1:19:02 It's a beautiful place.

1:19:03 It's got no government.

1:19:06 It's got no military.

1:19:07 It's got no anything.

1:19:11 It's got one thing that's really strong, crime.

1:19:13 It's got a lot of crime.

1:19:14 They have no police.

1:19:16 All they do is run around shooting each other.

1:19:19 It's filthy dirty, disgusting dirty.

1:19:21 It's a horrible place.

1:19:23 They come here, and Ilhan Omar, you ever hear of him?

1:19:28 Very popular.

1:19:32 She heads it.

1:19:32 And think of it.

1:19:35 They have nothing but crime, poverty, pollution.

1:19:40 Everything is horrible over there.

1:19:41 Nothing good.

1:19:42 They say it's the worst country anywhere in the world.

1:19:45 We got some beauties out there, but it's the worst.

1:19:47 And then she comes here from Somalia and she tells us how to run the United States of America.

1:19:53 She says, she says, the Constitution gives me certain rights, gives me certain rights.

1:20:00 And I demand that I be given these rights.

1:20:04 Get the hell out.

1:20:05 What a phony.

1:20:10 and then she married

1:20:16 a brother to come in

1:20:17 but I think

1:20:20 I would imagine they're looking at her

1:20:22 I have nothing to do with it

1:20:23 I would imagine

1:20:24 of course I have nothing to do

1:20:27 I have nothing but

1:20:29 I believe she married her brother

1:20:31 which is totally illegal

1:20:33 although it's a lovely couple

1:20:36 actually but it's a little

1:20:37 it's a little bit on the illegal side darling

1:20:40 I love you very much

1:20:41 goodnight brother

1:20:43 let's go to bed

1:20:44 isn't she despicable

1:20:48 I can't stand watching

1:20:50 I'm going to miss him

1:20:53 I'm going to miss him

1:20:55 I think it's funny

1:20:57 so many people get so

1:21:00 upset about this

1:21:02 yeah

1:21:04 it's unexpected

1:21:08 you know and yeah well nobody knows what to make it's okay if you're upset about it and i'm okay

1:21:14 with that and i'm okay with you being upset about it but not if you're on ssri's okay

1:21:17 just make sure if you're on ssri's and you're upset about it your meds ain't working okay you

1:21:24 got to get different meds so when the topic of iran i might as well get this out of the way

1:21:29 the smuggling of the of the satellite receivers going on right now it's kind of uh it's a topic

1:21:37 of discussion this is iran uh internet smuggling npr a network of iranians have been smuggling

1:21:46 starlink satellite terminals into the country the technology is the most common way of bypassing the

1:21:53 internet black internet blackout in iran one of the longest in history our reporter raha kansara

1:22:00 has more. Iranian regime has proven that during the shutdown, they can kill. It is crucial for

1:22:07 Iranians to be able to portray the real picture of the situation on the ground. I'm speaking to

1:22:14 an Iranian man who is part of a clandestine network dotted across the globe, helping to

1:22:20 smuggle Starlink terminals into Iran. Plus, we want to make sure that whatever gets out of the

1:22:26 country is not being manipulated by the Iranian regime's narrative. What he's doing is putting a

1:22:33 lot of people inside the country, including his family, in danger. He only agreed to speak to me

1:22:40 on the condition that I do not reveal his real identity. We purchased the Starlings and smuggled

1:22:46 them through the borders. It's a very complex operation. I'm not going to give you the exact

1:22:51 number but we have sent over a dozen and we are actively looking for other ways to smuggle in

1:22:58 more. The satellite technology which helps people connect to the internet has become a vital

1:23:04 communications lifeline for tens of thousands of people in Iran. For more than two months they've

1:23:10 been in a digital black hole. It was triggered by the ongoing war with Israel and the US.

1:23:15 The Iranian government said they shut down the internet because of security concerns.

1:23:21 It's one of the longest nationwide internet shutdowns in the world to be recorded.

1:23:26 90 million people have been cut off from access to their loved ones, their livelihoods, and the news.

1:23:32 I don't think this is entirely true anymore.

1:23:36 Commercial flights, I've heard, have resumed from Tehran.

1:23:40 Phones seem to be working.

1:23:46 And I hope on May 11th, which I think is Monday, I'm going to have a dinner with Lex and his wife, who has all her family in Tehran, and I'll get some more boots on the ground.

1:23:59 But I don't think it's quite that bad as portrayed here.

1:24:03 It could be not as bad as portrayed, but I think it's interesting that Musk's system has become such an interesting kind of a proposition for people that need to get Internet access without going through channels.

1:24:20 Well, this is the Internet in a suitcase.

1:24:22 Remember that?

1:24:24 Well, it's a little more than that, I think.

1:24:25 No.

1:24:26 I mean, the Internet in a suitcase, that was the whole life.

1:24:31 It was pre-Starlink.

1:24:32 Yeah.

1:24:33 Oh, no, it was definitely, let's see, here's Lucifer.

1:24:35 I get a lot of invitations to speak these days.

1:24:38 Oh, that was the kid.

1:24:39 That was that kid who was working at the State Department,

1:24:43 who later had to leave.

1:24:44 He was the internet in a suitcase.

1:24:46 But I have one.

1:24:47 You know, Musk sent out, had some bonus deal,

1:24:51 because I have the Starlink as a backup.

1:24:52 Yeah, I know, I thought you had it hooked up.

1:24:54 No, I have Starlink hooked up, but that's a pretty big dish.

1:24:58 And then he said, for $5 a month,

1:25:00 if you don't hook it up, we'll just charge you $5 a month,

1:25:04 you get the mini portable one, which is really tiny.

1:25:08 How tiny?

1:25:09 It would fit in a briefcase.

1:25:14 The whole thing.

1:25:16 We'll give you the dimensions of the dish.

1:25:17 I have to get it.

1:25:19 Not even the dish, actually, just the flat panel.

1:25:22 Play your second clip and I'll get it out of the closet.

1:25:24 Yeah, play the second clip.

1:25:25 But it's not the first time this year the internet has been switched off.

1:25:30 In January, the country was plunged into darkness during a deadly crackdown on protests.

1:25:36 Media organisations, including the BBC, relied on a drip feed of information from inside the country,

1:25:43 a lot of which was shared on social media using Starlink internet

1:25:47 to verify and document atrocities committed by the authorities.

1:25:51 Marwa Fatafta from digital rights group Access Now

1:25:55 says the blackout helps the government conceal what's happening inside the country.

1:26:00 In times of crisis, this is not only an attack on freedom of expression,

1:26:03 press freedom, or access to information.

1:26:05 It's a matter of survival.

1:26:07 Shutdowns inflict serious physical, psychological, and economic harms on people,

1:26:12 and they shatter a society's ability to preserve and withstand hardships.

1:26:17 And no matter what the justification may be for a government to kill the switch,

1:26:21 communications blackouts are a clear violation of human rights,

1:26:25 and they can never be justified.

1:26:28 multiple arrests have been made of Iranians importing, procuring, selling and buying

1:26:33 Starlink. Many have been accused of espionage. Roya Boromand from the Boromand Center for Human

1:26:40 Rights says since the regime came into power in 1979, it's always sought to conceal information.

1:26:47 Only its methods have changed. Iran has denied citizens' right to seek, receive and impart

1:26:54 information for decades but in the face of internal calls for regime change and external

1:27:01 military attacks it has escalated the hunt and the arrest of citizens who circumvent censorship

1:27:08 using starlink devices it's about the size of an ipad

1:27:13 oh and it weighs one kilo there's a two pound ipad two it's it's a slab but yeah that's it

1:27:26 it's a like an ipad pro it's just a flat panel yeah well yeah it's uh let me see the depth here

1:27:35 the depth is about an inch and a half oh it's yeah i guess it gives enough room yeah so it's

1:27:43 it's small i mean it's it's it's an you can put it in your pants you could smuggle it in your pants

1:27:48 yeah it's fantastic that's the only i mean you can't hate the guy for that that's startling

1:27:54 stuff as although he doesn't do reverse dns which is a real problem that's kind of wonky

1:27:59 network wise a lot of you can fix that later a lot of nerds complain about that

1:28:04 like you don't have reverse dns things not everything's going to work well

1:28:08 well you know one of the problems you have with all these all this gear is that in the uk for

1:28:16 example you know they have these these roving vans with the big dish on the roof looking for

1:28:23 people with illegal tvs yeah because the it's not it's not even a big dish it's a small dish

1:28:32 i've seen them it's not that was a big dish no no no it's a small dish well they they look for the

1:28:38 illegal tvs uh because you have to have a license in the b in in the uk yes to watch television

1:28:46 which is ludicrous but okay it's their system well yeah they have a king they have a king let

1:28:53 him no kings man no kings man it's unclear when the internet will be restored but a government

1:29:00 spokesperson has said once the situation returns to normal so will internet access the smuggler

1:29:07 and others like him will continue to fight for vital information to get in and out of iran

1:29:12 until restrictions are lifted i think people on the world should hear the real voice of iranians

1:29:19 this is our goal and we will continue working towards it yeah and and and okay well i'll find

1:29:29 out more uh next week or the week after that on tuesday the 11th hopefully we'll find out more

1:29:35 find out more uh let's see um

1:29:40 let's do a little uh little uh big tech ai news what's fun a little big tech

1:29:48 no way i knew ai news yes everyone's joining in now everyone's we're good hey man we're good

1:29:55 you can use our stuff let's do war with our stuff because it's so solid alphabets google has

1:30:01 reportedly joined a list of tech firms to sign a deal with the u.s department of defense it's to

1:30:07 use its ai models for classified work the information reported the deal on tuesday citing

1:30:13 a person familiar with the matter it added the agreement allows the pentagon to use google's ai

1:30:18 for any lawful government purpose

1:30:20 and puts it alongside OpenAI and Elon Musk's XAI,

1:30:24 which also have deals to supply AI models for classified use.

1:30:28 Classified networks are used to handle a wide range of sensitive work.

1:30:33 They include mission planning and weapons targeting.

1:30:36 Reuters couldn't verify the report.

1:30:39 The Pentagon signed agreements worth up to $200 million,

1:30:42 each with major AI labs last year,

1:30:45 including Anthropic, OpenAI and Google.

1:30:48 Reuters had earlier reported the Pentagon wanted top AI companies to make their tools available on classified networks without the standard restrictions they apply to users.

1:30:58 The information reported Google's agreement requires it to help in adjusting the company's AI safety settings and filters at the government's request.

1:31:08 Alphabet and the U.S. Department of Defense, which has now been renamed the Department of War by President Trump, didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

1:31:17 Google said it supports government agencies across both classified and non-classified projects and added it was committed to the consensus AI shouldn't be used for domestic mass surveillance or autonomous weaponry without appropriate human oversight.

1:31:32 The Pentagon has said it has no interest in using AI to conduct mass surveillance of Americans or to develop weapons that operate without human involvement, but wants any lawful use of AI to be allowed.

1:31:44 I like the, we don't need your AI for mass surveillance.

1:31:48 We just buy it from Google.

1:31:51 We don't need to spend money on you guys for that.

1:31:55 Yeah.

1:31:56 That's stuff I have to say that for certain things,

1:32:00 this stuff is really, really impressive.

1:32:02 Although Dave Jones over there at Podcast Index,

1:32:05 he and I have been doing comparisons.

1:32:09 And if you use Claude code with Opus 4.7,

1:32:14 which will cost, if you want to get anything done, $100 a month,

1:32:18 if you really are using it a lot, $200 a month, which is a lot of money.

1:32:21 He's using Pi, P-I, P-I dot dev, which is an agentic thing.

1:32:29 And you can connect that to any large language model.

1:32:34 And he has, at his job, he has a $3,500 machine.

1:32:37 I forget what he calls it, but it has all the RAM and everything in it that you need.

1:32:42 and he's running QEN 3.6, 35 billion parameter,

1:32:47 it is equal, equal to Claude Code with Anthropix Opus 4.7,

1:32:54 except you don't have to pay a subscription.

1:32:56 You got to shell out some money up front.

1:32:59 So when you hear the next clip,

1:33:02 these guys are going to run into trouble.

1:33:04 The investors will run into trouble somewhere down the road.

1:33:08 And it's been a tough week for OpenAI.

1:33:11 Reports of missing key targets, Sam Altman on trial against Elon Musk, and now rival Anthropic's business may have caught up.

1:33:20 Kate Rooney has more in Tech Check. Hi, Kate.

1:33:22 Hi, Kelly. So that's what we're hearing. I am hearing that Anthropic right now is in talks to raise another round of capital.

1:33:30 If it does go forward as planned, it could value this AI giant at as much as $900 billion.

1:33:36 This is according to a source familiar with those deal talks, Kelly.

1:33:40 No term sheets have been signed yet, from what I'm told.

1:33:42 Discussions are still ongoing, and Anthropic did decline to comment.

1:33:46 But this would be more than double the company's last valuation of private markets,

1:33:50 and then put it ahead of rival OpenAI, which was last worth around $850 billion.

1:33:56 That was after its record fundraise earlier this year.

1:33:59 It does come as both of these AI giants look to go public as soon as the end of this year,

1:34:04 According to sources, could depend on market conditions, but Anthropix exploding revenue growth has been the main reason that investors have been lining up to back them.

1:34:13 So Anthropix last reported run rate was around $30 billion.

1:34:16 Sources now tell me that is closer to $35 billion.

1:34:19 It would be up from $10 billion just last year.

1:34:22 So Cloud Code has been the major revenue driver here for this company.

1:34:25 Also, a lot of intrigue around mythos.

1:34:27 This, of course, is the cybersecurity model.

1:34:29 It's gotten a lot of buzz.

1:34:30 It is now only available to a select group of companies, but it's really added to the allure for investors when we talk about the potential power of these models.

1:34:38 In the last hour, though, Anthropic did make another move in the cybersecurity space.

1:34:43 It launched clogged security.

1:34:44 This is just for enterprise customers.

1:34:46 The company says it's going to be giving security teams a way to find vulnerabilities.

1:34:50 Hundreds of organizations, they say, have already used it, but it is not mythos.

1:34:55 This is a model that's already publicly available, Kelly.

1:34:59 Yeah, this is not going to end well.

1:35:01 There's too much money and no money coming in.

1:35:05 What makes you think that?

1:35:05 There's no money.

1:35:06 What makes you think that?

1:35:07 I can do math.

1:35:09 I can calculate.

1:35:11 This is not going to work out.

1:35:13 Well, maybe after the midterms.

1:35:18 Something's got to...

1:35:19 I mean, how much longer can these guys delay their IPO?

1:35:22 They have to come out soon.

1:35:23 No, it has to be sooner than later.

1:35:25 Yeah.

1:35:25 Do you think it'll be before the midterms?

1:35:29 well it it may be before the midterms but it's not going to the collapse won't be before the

1:35:37 midterms will the collapse be in 2027 you think early 2027 it's got to be next year yeah that's

1:35:44 going to be so so amazing to watch i mean it'll suck but it's not going to be good for the

1:35:50 donations of the show no you have enough trouble could it get any worse

1:35:55 all right uh now the people who clearly are going to lose out are uh hollywood hollywood is just

1:36:03 struggling they are struggling to hold on and uh the oscars who are going to youtube they put their

1:36:11 foot down yeah they did artificial intelligence could revolutionize the film industry but it won't

1:36:18 be winning any oscars new rules set out by the academy of motion picture arts and sciences on

1:36:24 friday stated that in the acting category only roles credited in the film's legal billing and

1:36:30 demonstrably performed by humans with their consent will be considered eligible the new

1:36:35 rules also say screenplays must be human authored to be eligible they come hot on the heels of the

1:36:43 unveiling of an ai version of the deceased film star val kilmer at cinema con a yearly event that

1:36:50 showcases new films for

1:36:52 cinema owners. The producer

1:36:54 of the film, called As Deep As The Grave,

1:36:56 explained. We do

1:36:58 take archival footage, pictures

1:37:00 and voice recordings

1:37:02 to build a character and

1:37:04 from there we have to integrate that character

1:37:06 into what we already filmed. We're making a bold claim,

1:37:08 bold statement, which is that we believe

1:37:10 we're doing this in an ethical way.

1:37:12 The director of the film was at pains

1:37:14 to reassure both actors and the

1:37:16 wider film community. Actors

1:37:18 are not going to be replaced and we're going to make sure that that doesn't happen and that

1:37:22 really comes down to the entire community coming together to help set these guidelines and guard

1:37:26 rails for everybody so we can follow a structure because the technology is going to be here no

1:37:30 matter what we do the academy declined to comment on if val kilmer's ai rendered performance would

1:37:36 be eligible for an oscar saying that eligibility would be reviewed on a case-by-case basis

1:37:42 i think we should make a pact you know if i die before you i fully endorse recreating me with ai

1:37:51 okay you're done tourette's and all make sure it's all in there make sure it's accurate

1:37:56 darren can do it he's prompting as we speak darren's got all these little he doesn't get it

1:38:03 he doesn't get a lot of play but i've been reposting the little animations he's been doing

1:38:09 yeah yeah with the girls dynamite the girls yeah there was some girl he's got a cartoon version

1:38:15 now yeah which was pretty decent although the for some reason they they no agenda shirt on one girl

1:38:21 turned from black to green oh well right in the middle of the animation oh well how does that

1:38:28 happen you can't iterate it's once it's done you see you got to accept it or reprompt and you just

1:38:33 get a whole new version he might as well just go with it you know but yeah the val kilmer thing is

1:38:39 one but but star wars had a or it was either star wars or an old star trek movie had some there was

1:38:47 a dead actor but they had to bring him into uh this was years ago they had to bring in a kind

1:38:54 of a model of him because he was necessary for the storyline yeah and he wasn't even alive and

1:39:00 they put it in nobody ever talked much about it they oh that's great and then there was the movie

1:39:05 the scorsese movie where they had de niro and all these people 20 years younger ages were younger

1:39:11 yeah they're all you know basically masked no but this but this is about money it's just about money

1:39:17 you know i say now as i speak you may recreate me when i'm gone and make money off of me please

1:39:26 well yeah we'll see what happens with the curry estate curry estate

1:39:33 yeah the curry estate we're pissed off okay

1:39:39 uh here's sag after to round this out they uh looks like they this is the writers and the

1:39:46 screen actors guild uh but not everybody's here i don't think the director's guild is yes

1:39:51 is set yet we are following developing news now sag after has reached a tentative agreement

1:39:56 with the major Hollywood studios avoiding a repeat of the strikes from just three years ago.

1:40:00 NBC4's Macy Jenkins is live outside the center.

1:40:03 By the way, the Troll Room is asking, can we do it now?

1:40:06 Well, I'd have to approve it now.

1:40:10 If you can do it now, we can split the proceeds.

1:40:12 It won't be as good.

1:40:13 Well, if it is.

1:40:15 It won't be as good. Come on.

1:40:17 After a headquarters in mid-Wilshire, Macy.

1:40:20 Hi, Kathy and Jonathan.

1:40:23 Well, listen, we will not know what's in that agreement until the SAG National Board has a chance to review it.

1:40:30 One of the biggest issues, just like it was three years ago, protections against AI, which is getting smarter and more advanced by the minute.

1:40:38 Smarter?

1:40:39 This cinematic showdown between Hollywood A-listers Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise drew millions of views on social media earlier this year.

1:40:49 and harsh critiques because this is completely ai generated they're taking the likeness of major

1:40:56 performers like tom cruise and brad pitt and they're just able to replicate it in seconds

1:41:01 it's a major concern for sag after actors like chuck slaven one he hopes is addressed in the

1:41:07 tentative agreement reached saturday between sag and the amptp the alliance of motion picture and

1:41:13 television producers well i have to tell you i'm a little concerned overall i think the future is

1:41:18 rapidly changing and i think that we certainly need to protect image likeness when it comes to

1:41:23 ai we need to ensure that members get royalties and residuals on the work that they're doing

1:41:28 scanning is a major threat a tentative deal avoids a repeat of 2023 when sag afters 160 000 plus

1:41:36 members went on strike for four months demanding fair pay and protections against ai stealing their

1:41:42 livelihood it comes just one month after the writers guild of america reached a four-year

1:41:47 deal with the amp tp historically these contracts have been three-year deals but in exchange for

1:41:53 adding the fourth year in the wga's recent agreement the union received a 321 million

1:41:59 dollar infusion into its health fund looking at how fast technology is advancing a four-year deal

1:42:05 locks us into a disadvantage yeah so you all consider home being sick well that's great

1:42:11 no hollywood loses the you know they lose they lose that's just no they gotta lose for sure

1:42:19 yeah they've already already kind of lost i mean they have no stories everything is a sequel

1:42:24 what is it what is the new sequel coming out something another new sequel everything's a sequel

1:42:31 yeah everything they they they ran out of ideas yeah no how did that happen how did that happen

1:42:38 let me ask you how did that happen it has never happened before they were making movies back in

1:42:43 the silent era in the 20s and the 30s there were all kinds of great movies that 40s great movies

1:42:48 50s great movies 60s and 70s especially the 70s tremendous films what happened too many movies

1:42:55 being made there's not enough not enough uh they're not doing i wouldn't say there's a ton

1:43:00 of them being made now are there oh yeah there's i think there's a short but they were used to

1:43:05 Yeah, no, they're going straight to Netflix in eight mini-movies or eight series.

1:43:10 Yeah, you're right.

1:43:11 You're right, you're right.

1:43:11 That's where that goes.

1:43:12 Tons of crappy movies on Netflix.

1:43:14 Yeah, where it should be an hour-and-a-half movie and they turn it into eight hours and call it a series.

1:43:18 And then if it gets enough, then they'll do another series.

1:43:23 Yeah, we're due for another Blair Witch Project, one of those deals.

1:43:29 Some kids come along and do something that blows everybody away.

1:43:32 Dirt cheap, yeah.

1:43:33 Yeah, that's going to happen.

1:43:34 What do you make of this Epstein suicide note?

1:43:38 Well, here's a clip.

1:43:39 No, hold on a second.

1:43:41 Here we go.

1:43:42 I got it.

1:43:43 New Tonight did accuse sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein,

1:43:46 write a suicide note before attempting to take his own life.

1:43:50 The New York Times reporting that a note may exist

1:43:53 and is being held under seal by a federal judge.

1:43:56 Epstein allegedly writing, it's time to say goodbye.

1:43:59 According to this man, convicted murderer Nicholas Tartaglione,

1:44:03 a former NYPD officer who shared a cell with Epstein in 2019.

1:44:07 Tartaglione said something similar in a podcast last year.

1:44:11 Jeffrey Epstein wrote a suicide note.

1:44:14 He says he discovered the note after Epstein's apparent suicide attempt weeks before his actual death.

1:44:21 It was in my book, yeah. When I got back into the cell, I opened my book to read, and there it was.

1:44:25 Tartaglione adding...

1:44:27 It said something like, FBI, you know, looked into me for months and found nothing.

1:44:33 NBC News has not seen the note, and The Times says it has not either.

1:44:37 In a statement, the DOJ says it is hard to comment on a note it has not seen,

1:44:41 adding the department underwent an exhaustive effort to collect all records.

1:44:46 Epstein's death, which the medical examiner's office declared a suicide,

1:44:50 has been the subject of intense scrutiny, with many speculating without proof that Epstein was murdered.

1:44:57 A suicide note could potentially dispel the conspiracies.

1:45:01 The New York Times is asking the federal court to unseal the alleged suicide note, which is caught up in Tartaglione's legal proceeding.

1:45:08 The Times are arguing he talked about the note in that podcast, and public interest in Epstein is immense.

1:45:14 I got an interview with Steve Eder. He's one of the reporters on the byline for that story about the note. He was on CNN. Listen to this.

1:45:25 Now, the Times reports that the alleged suicide note was sealed by a federal judge as part of the cellmate's criminal case.

1:45:31 My source on this tonight is on the byline of this story, the investigative reporter for The New York Times, Steve Eder.

1:45:37 And thank you, sir, for being here, because I want to start with how this possible note was recovered.

1:45:42 The cellmate apparently says he found the note in his cell tucked into a graphic novel.

1:45:47 How did it end up locked away by a judge?

1:45:49 What's a graphic novel? Is that a novel? Is that a comic book?

1:45:52 Comic book.

1:45:53 Yeah, it takes a circuitous path, I guess, to being locked away from a judge.

1:45:58 But basically, the short of it is that the cellmate says that he discovered the note in the days after Epstein was found injured in his cell, right?

1:46:07 And he turned it over to his lawyers.

1:46:10 His lawyers, apparently, according to a document that we reviewed, tried to authenticate it, weren't able to right away.

1:46:16 And then it ended up being moved over to his criminal case, not the Epstein case, but this other case that was playing out kind of parallel and ended up sort of sequestered from the Epstein proceedings in this whole other separate case for years now.

1:46:31 And in that case, the judge put the letter, this purported note under seal.

1:46:36 If you're interested, I have another clip that explains the process of how it got under seal.

1:46:42 Yes, please.

1:46:44 Before we get to the contents of the note and what it might mean, why is it locked up in a courthouse?

1:46:49 Like, why wasn't it released as part of the Epstein document?

1:46:52 Yeah, so even before that, John, good morning to you.

1:46:54 I think it's important to discuss whether it's authentic or not.

1:46:58 I want to get to that, but just tell me why it's locked up first.

1:47:00 So what happened is, is that it was under seal.

1:47:03 And apparently judges have vast discretion with respect to whether they're putting something under seal,

1:47:08 which means it's not in the public's view.

1:47:10 It's not in the court records.

1:47:12 If you go, and right now we have a system in federal court, state court too, where you can literally go into the docket and look at a variety of materials.

1:47:20 Well, there are some materials that are sensitive that are not going to be in that docket because a judge in that judge's discretion will seal it.

1:47:26 That's what they did here.

1:47:28 Remember, this involves Tartaglione.

1:47:30 Who's he?

1:47:31 He's a person who was convicted.

1:47:33 He was Jeffrey Epstein's cellmate, and he ultimately was convicted for four, yes, four quadruple murder.

1:47:39 And as a result of that, in them sharing a cell, he purportedly, that is, Mr. Tartaglione, found the note, reported it to his lawyers.

1:47:46 He had about 18 of them, by the way, over the course of time.

1:47:48 And they got involved, the lawyers did, with respect, hey, what should we do with the note?

1:47:53 How do we authenticate the note?

1:47:54 Should we put the note under seal?

1:47:55 It became the subject of a lot of controversy.

1:47:57 The attorneys argued it was attorney-client privilege, incident to their communications and them seeking advice.

1:48:03 And will Jeffrey Epstein claim that I actually, Tartaglione, his cellmate, killed him or tried to kill him?

1:48:10 And so what do we do?

1:48:11 And so the judge ultimately said it's going to be away from public view.

1:48:15 It's going to be in a vault in the federal courthouse.

1:48:17 And it has remained there for all this time.

1:48:20 Basically, a judge has it under his purview right now, involved in a separate case, which is why it was not part of the Epstein files, per se, and the source here.

1:48:31 This is from a cellmate charged with four murders, quadruple murder, who said he found the note and is the only person that we know so far to tell us what was on it.

1:48:41 Time to say goodbye. So the credibility of the source.

1:48:44 Yeah, John, I think that's important to talk about. And at the time he was being charged.

1:48:48 Now he's convicted and he's serving these four life sentences. And so you have to question what we call the veracity.

1:48:54 Is it something that we could credit the fact that he said it, that I found this note, it said time to say goodbye.

1:49:01 It had a smiley face.

1:49:02 What am I going to do now?

1:49:03 Burst out in tears.

1:49:04 They found nothing, meaning indicating what was on that particular note.

1:49:08 Well, I don't think this means very much.

1:49:11 It's interesting, though, how that happened.

1:49:14 Yeah, it's kind of fascinating, I guess.

1:49:18 I didn't realize it's so easy to ditch stuff.

1:49:21 Yeah.

1:49:24 There's another, man, you predicted this so early on about parents getting sued, getting locked up for their children's crimes.

1:49:35 Yeah, well, it hasn't really caught on yet to an extreme.

1:49:38 No, it's catching.

1:49:39 A beloved Vietnam War veteran and teacher has died two weeks after he was allegedly hit by a teen on an e-motorcycle.

1:49:47 Now the teen's mother is facing manslaughter charges.

1:49:51 CBSLA's Nicole Comstock with the charges and the heartbreak from friends of the victim.

1:49:56 After a two-week-long fight for his life, treasured Vietnam veteran and Orange County

1:50:03 teacher Ed Ashman has died. This after prosecutors say a 14-year-old boy illegally riding a powerful

1:50:10 e-motorcycle hit Ashman while he was walking home from school and left him in the street.

1:50:16 i feel pretty bad it was 81 and i didn't want to see him go out like that his longtime friends

1:50:22 and neighbors say after serving our country with honor as a fighter pilot then dedicating his golden

1:50:28 years to mentoring the next generation at el toro high school it's a shame that a young teen's

1:50:34 actions allegedly led to his death in the vietnam war he went through that and then this happened

1:50:41 the boy's mom tammy joe mayher has now been charged with involuntary manslaughter the new

1:50:46 felony complaint alleges she was also an accessory after the fact harboring and concealing her son so

1:50:52 he could avoid arrest and punishment police say they already told the boy's mother a year ago

1:50:57 on body worn camera that she could face criminal charges for continuing to allow her son to ride

1:51:03 the e-motorcycle that requires a driver's license orange county district attorney todd spitzer says

1:51:10 in writing this mother essentially handed her 14 year old son a deadly weapon and despite

1:51:16 multiple warnings on the dangers continued to let him illegally ride

1:51:20 well they get this kind of an open and shut case a little more uh easier to push than someone who's

1:51:29 just a careless parent and lets their kid go wild well to me this is a question for darren o'neill

1:51:36 he he keeps track of the murders and shootings in chicago how many parents of those kids because a

1:51:43 lot of them are kids do you ever hear in a story like this no well none yet no none it's gonna

1:51:50 happen that doesn't seem like it's you have to get a bill there has to be a build-up of case law

1:51:58 so it's going to have to be after you know maybe dozens of cases like this go through

1:52:05 and so you can put together this kind of an indictment

1:52:09 based on something that's happened already.

1:52:12 But it never used to be that way.

1:52:14 I don't understand.

1:52:15 I mean, it used to go to juvie.

1:52:17 Why the parents now?

1:52:21 I just don't get it.

1:52:22 It doesn't make sense from a legal perspective.

1:52:26 It will.

1:52:32 Shut up.

1:52:35 It will make sense.

1:52:36 Shut up, it will.

1:52:37 Shut up.

1:52:37 The law will be the law.

1:52:39 I don't like it.

1:52:41 Well, I kind of like it.

1:52:44 Really?

1:52:44 Okay.

1:52:45 How about a drunk or not drunk?

1:52:49 Oh, we haven't had one of those in a while.

1:52:53 I don't even know if I can find the jingle or not.

1:52:55 I'm drunk.

1:52:56 Yeah, I was hoping for the jingle.

1:52:57 Not drunk.

1:52:58 Drunk or not drunk.

1:52:59 Let me see.

1:53:01 I have it here.

1:53:03 I think I have it here.

1:53:03 No, that's not it.

1:53:05 You know, whatever happened to that jingle?

1:53:08 Drunk or not drunk.

1:53:11 I have a million drunk or not drunks, but none of them says,

1:53:14 this is the jingle, Adam, the one you're looking for.

1:53:17 Oh, here it is.

1:53:18 In fact, I have it.

1:53:19 Drunk or not drunk.

1:53:20 Jingle.

1:53:20 Original.

1:53:21 Drunk or not drunk.

1:53:23 Phew.

1:53:24 Found it.

1:53:25 Yeah, found it.

1:53:26 All right, here we go.

1:53:27 Can't wait.

1:53:28 I gave it, set it up.

1:53:30 This is one of the Reverend Al's meetups, and he's got Kamala Harris.

1:53:39 So are you going to run again in 2018?

1:53:42 Listen, I might. I might. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it.

1:53:54 But let me say this.

1:53:56 Let me say this.

1:53:57 I am thinking about it.

1:53:59 But let me also say this.

1:54:02 I served for four years being a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United States.

1:54:13 I spent countless hours in my West Wing office, footsteps away from the Oval Office.

1:54:24 I spent countless hours in the Oval Office and the Situation Room.

1:54:27 I know what the job is.

1:54:30 And I know what it requires.

1:54:33 And I am thinking about it in the context of then, you know, is who and where and how can the best job be done for the American people.

1:54:46 That's how I'm thinking about it.

1:54:47 I'll keep you posted.

1:54:48 I'll keep you posted.

1:54:50 Okay.

1:54:51 All right.

1:54:52 All right.

1:54:53 Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris.

1:54:58 I'm going to say not drunk.

1:55:03 I think she's not drunk.

1:55:06 I think it's a different, you need a different jingle for her.

1:55:08 Black or not black.

1:55:10 I think she's trying to do kind of a, yeah, she's kind of trying to do a, like an urban type vibe.

1:55:16 You know, I was just steps a heartbeat away, a heartbeat away from the presidency.

1:55:22 No, I don't think she's drunk here.

1:55:24 You think she's drunk?

1:55:24 Okay, I just, it seemed drunk to me.

1:55:26 Well, okay.

1:55:27 I mean, she seems drunk to me all the time.

1:55:30 How about SSRIs?

1:55:32 Oh, interesting.

1:55:35 I have this old PBS NewsHour clip.

1:55:41 And the only reason I want to play it is because it's got the 33,000 is in the, in the title.

1:55:49 Okay.

1:55:50 And 33 is a magic number.

1:55:52 This is Ukraine shot down 33,000 Russian attack drones.

1:55:58 Ukraine says it shot down more than 33,000 Russian drones in March.

1:56:02 That's the most in a single month since Russia's invasion more than four years ago.

1:56:07 Ukraine has been ramping up its drone capabilities in response to Russia's relentless aerial attacks

1:56:13 and increasingly taking the fight back across the border.

1:56:17 Officials said today Ukrainian forces can now strike much deeper inside Russia than they could at the start of the war.

1:56:23 Earlier this month, Moscow accused European nations of expanding drone support to Kyiv, prompting a warning today from Russia's defense minister.

1:56:32 This sort of action facilitates the sharp escalation of the military and political situation across the entire European continent and can have unpredictable consequences.

1:56:46 Just yesterday, Poland's prime minister announced that his country will partner with Ukraine to manufacture what he described as a drone armada.

1:56:54 Poland and Russia share a border, and Russia has violated Polish airspace on a number of occasions since the Ukraine war started.

1:57:02 Thirty-three, that's the magic number.

1:57:06 It is, it's the magic number.

1:57:12 Now, the clip I'm most interested in, just perusing your list, is the limited edition Trump passport.

1:57:19 Yeah, you know about that, no?

1:57:21 No, I don't, but I'm interested, and I'll tell you why after I play your clip.

1:57:25 The U.S. State Department...

1:57:26 I'm going to guess why.

1:57:27 Okay.

1:57:30 Your passport's running out, and you want to get one.

1:57:33 Yes!

1:57:34 The U.S. State Department is rolling out a new limited edition passport that includes a picture of President Trump.

1:57:40 The State Department posted what it called a sneak peek on social media.

1:57:43 It shows the president's image on the inside cover with his signature in gold lettering at the bottom.

1:57:48 The back cover shows a more traditional scene of the Declaration of Independence.

1:57:52 The release is part of the commemorations marking the 250th anniversary of American independence.

1:57:58 It's also the latest effort to put Mr. Trump's mark on the nation, which includes his images on government buildings,

1:58:05 his name on what was the Kennedy Center, and a planned arch in Washington, among others.

1:58:10 Yeah, this is an obvious collectible.

1:58:13 I feel the same way. I want to get one, too, because my passport's expired.

1:58:18 Oh, you should get on that right away. You can do that now.

1:58:22 No, you don't want to get on it right away because it hasn't been released yet.

1:58:25 It's coming out in the summer, and it's only going to be a limited edition, I believe, of 50,000.

1:58:31 So you're going to have to get in right at the right moment.

1:58:35 So I got a note from the State Department.

1:58:39 They send out emails now, and they say, hey, you can renew online.

1:58:42 This is crazy.

1:58:43 You can make your own passport picture, and they show you how to do it.

1:58:49 Yeah, I did that with my passport already years ago, decades ago.

1:58:52 Decades ago.

1:58:53 Do you remember?

1:58:54 You used to have to go to a special photographer.

1:58:57 He had to have special film, a special backdrop.

1:59:01 It was all special, special, special, special dude.

1:59:05 special shop they had to wait and had to develop it you know in a dark room

1:59:11 it used to be very complicated now you can just take your own picture and submit it this was years

1:59:18 ago the last two passports i've had i took my own picture with a digital camera at the right

1:59:24 you know against a blank blank wall cut it out and and submitted it went in the passport just fine

1:59:31 well this isn't new when i when i renewed mine which was seven years ago for some reason i got

1:59:39 a seven-year passport i don't know why maybe it was maybe it was 10 years nine years ago

1:59:45 um it couldn't do it that was not i don't know how you got to do that but there was no offer for me

1:59:50 to do that uh online with my i just did it just now you said just you just did it you just you

1:59:57 just did it you just here's my feet did you do it with your phone in the drawer with that one

2:00:03 no i used a good quality camera oh okay i had a perfect background it was exactly the same as you

2:00:09 get i had jay or somebody take my picture and two or three times and took the best one cut it

2:00:16 into the exact right set blew it up to the right size printed it out myself and then cut up cut it

2:00:23 into a square and he submitted it and went right through it then this is like i said at least two

2:00:29 passports ago huh well i i was unaware anyway i want one of them so i'll wait until it's released

2:00:35 i'll try and get in on that yeah this is the time it's going to be a timing hot item it's a hot item

2:00:40 i want that well a lot of people probably don't want it i like i want it i want it that'd be

2:00:48 hilarious i want this gold coin i want everything i can get because we're never going to see this

2:00:54 you know somebody somebody back in 2020 sent me a box full of trump collectibles oh what'd you do

2:01:03 phony dollar bills yeah i got those i got the trump and a bunch of coinage and stickers and

2:01:12 all kinds of stuff it's just a huge and i it was just so much stuff i just packed it up and put it

2:01:17 in the attic probably be worth a fortune someday so listen to this the last no agenda meetup

2:01:22 um you know which was here at j6 or jenny's place and people were very kind and donating on the spot

2:01:30 and so we counted you know we count out the money and then we send you the check and then you know

2:01:35 because we do that all officially we don't want it to you know there's nothing it's all above board

2:01:39 we pay our taxes yeah pay taxes and so many taxes and so tina i'm usually like just keep the cash

2:01:46 around you know she's like now i gotta take it to the bank we take it to the bank and you know

2:01:51 like there may be six 100 bills and uh and the bank manager's like um uh do you realize that

2:02:04 these uh these are not all real i'm like what you had six counterfeit bills no two were hundred

2:02:12 dollar bills with trump on it someone handed off phony trump hundies oh brother

2:02:24 i thought it was pretty funny all right oh i'm sorry i didn't i didn't mean to try and scam you

2:02:32 mr bank yeah you didn't notice no no we didn't notice it counting because the the the back that

2:02:40 just looks normal you look at the front like oh this trump that can't be a real hundred dollar

2:02:44 bill that's hilarious that was a good guy can you cash this bill with trump's picture

2:02:51 or did that good good work hand handing your night hand in your night ring

2:02:58 hey with that i want to thank you for your courage in the morning to you the man who put the c

2:03:03 in co-opted and captured say hello to my friend on the other end be one the only mr john

2:03:08 See you tomorrow

2:03:11 Well, good morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry

2:03:13 Also in the morning, all ships to sea, boots on the ground

2:03:15 Feet in the air, subs in the one on the dames and knights out there

2:03:17 In the morning to the trolls in the troll room

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2:03:21 And away we go

2:03:23 1,589 trolls listening live to the live stream

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2:03:59 those tote bags we had oh yeah the ones from this cold tar it was it was some kind of toxic chemical

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2:04:57 You can support us in many different ways, time, talent, and treasure.

2:05:01 We always appreciate people doing things, boots on the ground, helping us with clips, with ideas, with your expertise.

2:05:09 Everyone's an expert in something.

2:05:11 And when it comes around, when it's your time, it's your responsibility to let us know exactly what we got wrong or to set us right before we even get started on some topic.

2:05:23 And of course, we also appreciate people who do artwork for us,

2:05:27 which is increasingly easier.

2:05:29 But is it really?

2:05:30 I think the competition's gotten harder.

2:05:32 People are doing more.

2:05:33 They're getting more into the finesse of prompting.

2:05:37 The same with the end of show mixes.

2:05:38 I think we have three great ones again today.

2:05:40 Do you like the one about you?

2:05:41 Did you hear that one?

2:05:43 About your open heart surgery?

2:05:45 The one I liked the best was the heavy metal one about the show.

2:05:49 Yeah, the first one.

2:05:50 But the second one was good too, John.

2:05:53 I mean, you just don't like the first one the most.

2:05:55 Okay, well, and I asked the guy, I said, are you using Suno?

2:06:00 He said, yeah, I'm using Suno.

2:06:01 So people are getting better at this prompting business.

2:06:03 And that goes for Blue Acorn, who just had a good idea.

2:06:09 And we have a good idea, and you can implement that.

2:06:12 It just works.

2:06:13 It doesn't matter what tools you use, as far as I'm concerned.

2:06:15 This was the artwork for episode 1864.

2:06:18 We titled that Pointcast.

2:06:20 A lot of people enjoyed us talking about the old computer days.

2:06:23 A lot of people.

2:06:26 Yes, I got a lot of notes about it.

2:06:29 Hey, they remember the good old days.

2:06:33 No, it was young people who could not believe.

2:06:35 We had a processor technology with a North Star Drive.

2:06:39 Wow.

2:06:40 A North Star Drive.

2:06:45 Now, that's a blast from the past.

2:06:47 Seagate, baby.

2:06:49 Seagate.

2:06:50 Blue Acorn made us a beautiful piece of art.

2:06:53 It was soft-sectored, not hard-sectored.

2:06:56 Back when floppy disks were floppy.

2:07:00 Actually floppy.

2:07:02 This was the young ladies on the beach spelling out 8008,

2:07:09 a classic calculator joke from the days of Seagate drives and floppy disks.

2:07:17 A boob donation number.

2:07:20 And nicely slipped in there a little Nick the Rat on the Beach.

2:07:24 A little rat.

2:07:25 A little rat on the beach.

2:07:26 Yeah.

2:07:27 Which was nice.

2:07:28 Yeah, so it was a good piece.

2:07:30 We both liked it.

2:07:31 We looked at a couple other things.

2:07:32 We looked at noagendaartgenerator.com.

2:07:35 That's where everybody could participate.

2:07:37 Everybody can upload their work.

2:07:38 We use it in other things as well, not just the album art for the show,

2:07:43 which is critical to us, but also for newsletters and for...

2:07:50 comic strip blogger yeah i saw that so uh

2:07:55 no csv just no talking about a blast from the past next to the seashells was the flying toasters

2:08:04 yeah to me that i like the flying toaster one but i thought that was good i want to mention

2:08:09 the flying toasters the people that did the flying toasters that were in berkeley yeah

2:08:14 that's the company that became move on.org no what how did they yeah how did they go from

2:08:23 flying toaster screensavers to move on.org they did they just did wow

2:08:29 interesting little tidbit that's that's a pivot yeah no kidding uh honorary mention to nestwork

2:08:39 nestworks it it was a little discombobulated but i i like the fact that i think he did this art

2:08:46 you know with old school tools 86 in the m5m kicking some seashells it wasn't quite there

2:08:56 we liked it but it just wasn't quite there um very disturbing what people or what the llms

2:09:03 think you should look like with baby in the bypass the new podcast yeah apparently bald

2:09:08 you're you're dead you're basically dead i didn't even i didn't like that um i still thought the uh

2:09:18 bb on the beach is funny but we'd never use that one no that's never gonna happen

2:09:22 it still gives me a chuckle looking at it um i think that would a lot of different we've done

2:09:29 shell art before when this thing came around the first time and uh just looking at what's here um

2:09:35 There's plenty of, you still got plenty of chances to become the artwork for episode 1865, noagendaartgenerator.com.

2:09:43 And now we thank the producers who supported us financially, which is critical to our operation.

2:09:51 You can go to noagendedonations.com and you can support us there at any amount, anytime you feel like it, just any way you want to do it.

2:10:03 It's all good.

2:10:05 But we do need you to do it.

2:10:07 And we start off with Jason Peterson from Round Rock, Texas, not too far from here.

2:10:15 He comes in with $1,030.26.

2:10:20 So this was a donation I presume he sent on the 30th.

2:10:24 And he said, no jingles, no karma from soon-to-be Red Knight Commodore Jason.

2:10:29 And yes, you will be a Red Knight in the order of the heart.

2:10:32 And you will be that momentarily.

2:10:34 we thank you very much jason for your support so it goes with jim and dallas who came in with a

2:10:40 thousand dollars and he hasn't uh no he actually wrote on a piece of paper attached you'll find a

2:10:48 long overdue donation been following john's sage advice and adam's hairstyles for years back in the

2:10:55 day it was john jerry pernell and leo yeah who were the go-to guys for all things tech still

2:11:01 miss the good old cranky geeks v blog days best wishes john here's hoping for a speedy and full

2:11:07 recovery recently went through a heart health related episode myself for now a little karma

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2:11:38 anonymous all right thank you night of sandy parks in calverton new york 333 42 a jobs karma

2:11:48 plus random Sharpton, please?

2:11:50 Alas, alas, he writes.

2:11:52 If only I had enough time, talent, or treasure

2:11:55 to donate as much as you deserve.

2:11:57 Cheers to you both, your hearts and amygdalas

2:12:01 and all the No Agenda Nation Knight of Sandy Parks.

2:12:04 R-E-S-P-I-C-T.

2:12:10 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

2:12:14 Let's vote for jobs.

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2:12:18 And coming in with the classic 333 and 33 cents, Dennis Cato from Tampa, Florida.

2:12:24 And he says, ITM Adam and John, a big thanks to all the listeners who helped make our Manuka Gold Relief Gel a massive hit.

2:12:31 Yes, I have to say, the other night I got a charley horse.

2:12:35 A charley horse.

2:12:38 Right in the thigh.

2:12:41 And that's the kind where you can't stretch your leg.

2:12:44 Your leg is locked up.

2:12:46 Yeah, it's terribly painful.

2:12:49 Hurts, hurts, hurts.

2:12:50 And I'm in the dark.

2:12:52 I'm in the bathroom.

2:12:53 I'm like, oh, what am I going to do with this?

2:12:55 And Tina had just cleaned up the whole cabinet.

2:12:58 I'm like, ah.

2:12:59 So I'm there with the, you know, I got to get my, I didn't have my phones.

2:13:03 I don't know, flashlight.

2:13:04 My vape was in the bathroom.

2:13:06 So I'm using the little display from the vape.

2:13:09 And I found it.

2:13:09 And I put some of that Manuka Gold Relief Gel on it.

2:13:13 Wait, was the bathroom dark?

2:13:15 You needed a flashlight?

2:13:16 Yeah, the bathroom's dark.

2:13:17 If I turned the light on, then Tina would wake up.

2:13:19 Were you taking a shower?

2:13:20 What were you doing in a dark bathroom?

2:13:22 No, I was asleep.

2:13:23 It was 1.30 in the morning, and I wake up with this charley horse,

2:13:28 so I struggle to the bathroom, which is connected to the bedroom.

2:13:31 So, you know, if I turn on the light, I might awaken my bride.

2:13:35 Oh, heaven forbid.

2:13:37 Exactly.

2:13:39 Exactly, heaven forbid.

2:13:42 So I find it.

2:13:43 She kept it right in the front.

2:13:45 And this is, you know, I used to use the Cow's Lavender Blossom stuff.

2:13:54 Yeah, you should just punch the Charlie horse.

2:13:56 I try.

2:13:57 Does that work for you?

2:14:02 Oh, yeah.

2:14:03 Really?

2:14:04 Just punch it.

2:14:05 I did try to punch the Charlie horse, but it didn't work out so well.

2:14:09 But the relief gel within seconds.

2:14:11 I don't know if it's psychological.

2:14:12 I don't know how it works.

2:14:14 Who cares?

2:14:15 It works.

2:14:15 It works.

2:14:16 The placebo effect in action.

2:14:18 I'm happy with it.

2:14:19 We're thrilled people are getting genuine, natural help with their pain.

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2:14:42 Yeah.

2:14:43 I just threw a spoon in a cup.

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2:15:12 That's Dennis Cato, Tampa, Florida.

2:15:14 And what are you doing now?

2:15:15 I'm clicking my tongue on my mouth.

2:15:20 Why?

2:15:21 To add impact to the sales pitch.

2:15:25 It worked.

2:15:28 Thank you very much, Manuka Gold people.

2:15:32 Small, small family business there in Tampa, Florida.

2:15:35 And we're happy that no agenda is supporting that.

2:15:39 That's great.

2:15:40 Austin, the pool guy's up.

2:15:43 He's in Roseville, California.

2:15:44 He's an associate executive producer, $225 donation.

2:15:49 Hey, Adam and John, first-time donor in need of a de-douching.

2:15:52 Whoops.

2:15:53 Don't want to do that.

2:15:55 You've been de-douched.

2:15:58 I'm a 38-year-old and I first saw Adam on Joe Rogan.

2:16:03 And everything said, hit?

2:16:08 Yes.

2:16:10 Especially when talking about fluoride, which is still impossible to get my doctor's, my doctor wife to understand.

2:16:16 A lot of people just do not take the argument.

2:16:23 I love listening to John, too.

2:16:26 He's like the grandpa I never had.

2:16:28 You're both amazing and I always look forward to listening to you guys while running my own business.

2:16:33 Cleaning pools.

2:16:35 No, he says cleaning pool.

2:16:39 He does say cleaning pool, but I corrected his grammar.

2:16:42 That's like driving truck.

2:16:44 You clean pool.

2:16:45 All right.

2:16:46 Yeah, that's what he said, but I avoided it.

2:16:49 It's good to hear donations are coming from my area in hell.

2:16:53 Roseville.

2:16:55 I mean, California.

2:16:57 I'm in Roseville, and if anyone in this area would love top-of-the-line pool service,

2:17:02 I've been in business for 10 years and a No Agenda fan for two.

2:17:07 Please eel me at mdpoolsca, no wait, mdpoolsca, mdpoolsca at gmail.com.

2:17:20 MD is for Marley's Dad Pool Service, named after my daughter.

2:17:25 I'm totally looking to start a meetup in my area.

2:17:28 Would love to hang out with like-minded individuals, so if anyone wants to email me for that too,

2:17:34 I'd love to get something together.

2:17:37 Thank you both for everything and saving people from being black-pilled daily.

2:17:44 Your new favorite pool guy and boobs on the ground for any pool.

2:17:49 What?

2:17:50 Boots.

2:17:50 Oh, boots, boots, not boobs.

2:17:52 That's in your mind.

2:17:53 Boots on the ground for any pool-related things.

2:17:55 Austin, the pool guy.

2:17:56 All right, Austin, thank you.

2:17:58 Hey, there's Eli, the coffee guy, checking in with 205.03.

2:18:01 He's always at $200.

2:18:03 And then the date, 5-3.

2:18:05 He says, we've all been watching the seed man get deplatformed in slow motion for years.

2:18:10 The term lawfare feels a bit too polite for burning someone's media operation at the stake.

2:18:16 It was a little disconcerting to go to the InfoWars website and just see off-air on the homepage.

2:18:24 It also shows the limits of the ability of the system to silence dissenting voices.

2:18:28 You can pull the plug on a studio, not the signal.

2:18:32 After all, there's a war on for your mind.

2:18:35 Adam, thank you for leading the charge for Podcasting 2.0.

2:18:38 Decentralization is the only way to go.

2:18:40 And the only way to go for good coffee is to visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com

2:18:45 and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order.

2:18:48 Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy.

2:18:51 And he wants a dealer's choice Alex Jones jingle.

2:18:58 I don't know if we have, here's one.

2:19:01 That's when I declare a jihad on their ass.

2:19:02 Let me try something.

2:19:06 Get the frogs are gay out.

2:19:07 Oh, the frogs.

2:19:09 Okay.

2:19:10 Frogs.

2:19:11 Frogs.

2:19:12 Gay.

2:19:13 A classic, of course.

2:19:15 I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin' frogs gay.

2:19:19 Ah, classic.

2:19:20 Classic, classic, classic.

2:19:22 Linda Lepatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado, 200.

2:19:26 Jobs Karma.

2:19:28 Your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression, and most don't.

2:19:33 For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakersInc.com.

2:19:36 Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership results and impact.

2:19:45 That's ImageMakersInc with a K, and Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes.

2:19:53 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

2:19:57 Let's vote for jobs.

2:19:59 And a couple more associate executive producers with $200.

2:20:04 Steve from Hillsborough, Oregon.

2:20:06 And Steve says, thank you for sparing all of our sanity during the trying times with the COVID hoax.

2:20:11 Keep up the great work as your media deconstruction is second to none.

2:20:15 God bless.

2:20:16 Dame Toni Helft.

2:20:20 In Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, 200 bucks.

2:20:24 She wrote a note.

2:20:24 She's got a birthday.

2:20:25 I think she, yeah.

2:20:27 Did I say, I said, you said, you said, I think you said he, but probably didn't.

2:20:32 This is where you say, you're supposed to say that word never left my lips.

2:20:35 That word never left my mouth.

2:20:37 Dear John and Adam.

2:20:39 First off, I want to say how happy I am that John's recovering so well.

2:20:43 I was very concerned when he had his heart attack and subsequent surgery and very distressed hearing about his anesthesia problems.

2:20:53 I'm no doctor, but I'm fairly certain you are not supposed to be awake.

2:20:58 Yeah, that's what they tell me.

2:20:59 No kidding.

2:21:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:21:02 Personally, I would be having trauma flashbacks for sure.

2:21:09 Second, I noticed that in episode 1860, there were no donations in the $100 range.

2:21:17 This is very concerning to me.

2:21:19 I know money is tight right now, but maybe people don't realize that this is not a charity and that you guys are doing.

2:21:28 Income tax returns are in, so share your good fortune, yes, you should, with the best podcast in the universe.

2:21:37 Thank you for that, Dame Tony.

2:21:40 Finally, it's my birthday on May 5th.

2:21:43 Everybody's birthday is on May 5th.

2:21:46 So here's a birthday donation gift for you.

2:21:48 Happy birthday to me.

2:21:50 No jingles or karma.

2:21:51 Thank you for your courage.

2:21:53 God bless you both.

2:21:54 Dame Tony Helftz.

2:21:56 Thank you, Tony.

2:21:57 Appreciate that.

2:21:58 And thank you to all of these executive and associate executive producers of episode 1865.

2:22:04 A reminder how it works.

2:22:05 If you can support us with $200 or above, between $200 and $300,

2:22:09 not only will we guarantee to read your note,

2:22:12 but you will also receive an associate executive producership credit,

2:22:16 which is good anywhere Hollywood credits are recognized,

2:22:19 including imdb.com, $300 or above,

2:22:22 and that gives you an executive producer credit,

2:22:24 and, of course, it will read your note as well.

2:22:26 We appreciate what you are doing.

2:22:28 We appreciate that you are supporting us in such big numbers.

2:22:30 We could always use more, but we say congratulations

2:22:33 to these executive and associate executive producers.

2:22:36 Our formula is this.

2:22:37 We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

2:22:46 And here's the rest of our producers, $50 and above, never below $50 for reasons of anonymity.

2:22:58 We see you $49.99 and lower numbers.

2:23:01 We see you all and we appreciate all of you.

2:23:03 Baron Lattican, Houston, Texas, speaking of the hundreds.

2:23:05 There he is, the only $100 donor today.

2:23:08 Jason Shepard, Trinidad, Colorado, $80.76.

2:23:11 There's Mr. Boob, Kevin McLaughlin.

2:23:14 He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America, and boobs from Concord, North Carolina.

2:23:18 And he says, God bless America, and boobs with $80.08.

2:23:21 Sir Sigma, Shoreline, Washington, $76.50.

2:23:25 Birthday donation for his dad, Sir Ross of the Broken Ladder Ranch from Sir Sigma.

2:23:30 Is that the Broken? Is there more? Let me just expand this for a second.

2:23:33 The Broken Ladder Ranch.

2:23:34 Dame Rita. Ah, good to see Dame Rita in from Sparks, Nevada.

2:23:37 A-68-33. Chad Hewitt, Folsom, California, $66.40.

2:23:42 Small booze from Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona.

2:23:45 That is $60.06.

2:23:47 Zadok Brown III, Pukalani, Hawaii.

2:23:52 Connections Protection, he says.

2:23:54 Donate, $59.

2:23:55 Thank you.

2:23:56 Eric Flenor in Palmyra, Michigan.

2:24:00 Did I say it right?

2:24:01 Yes, Michigan.

2:24:02 $55.55.

2:24:04 And he wants house karma for everyone else.

2:24:06 Okay.

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2:25:47 And then we have not one, but we have two Orders of the Heart.

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2:26:31 In the morning, brave and smart.

2:26:35 The order of the heart.

2:26:36 And before we grab our night, we did have one karma request.

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2:26:54 And then we have the one night.

2:26:56 So let me get my blade here.

2:26:57 Are you back?

2:26:58 Are you back?

2:26:58 You've muted yourself.

2:27:01 That's what happened.

2:27:02 You've muted yourself against that.

2:27:04 I'm right here.

2:27:05 Okay, where's your sword?

2:27:06 Hold on a second.

2:27:09 Okay.

2:27:13 It's the little one.

2:27:15 Aw, a teeny one.

2:27:19 Jason Peterson, hop on up, sir.

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2:27:27 and you've already had support of the show in many amounts of thousands of dollars,

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2:27:33 But hereby, I am proud to pronounce the red knight, Commodore Jason.

2:27:37 Welcome to the roundtable, sir.

2:27:39 You are already a Commodore.

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2:27:58 Ho, ho, mutton and mead.

2:28:00 That's right.

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2:28:23 Welcome to the Roundtable, Red Knight Commodore Jason.

2:28:26 No Agenda Meetups!

2:28:31 well pretty soon we can expect a meetup in hell in california as we heard earlier from our uh

2:28:40 from our uh associate executive producer and it's very easy to do because all you have to do is go

2:28:46 to no agenda meetups.com you just start one and then you just let everybody know about it and

2:28:50 once it's on the calendar at no agenda meetups.com i'll mention it we'll continue to promote it you

2:28:55 can do all kinds of things to promote it and people will show up they usually do i'm a little

2:29:00 disappointed um christopher wechselberger he did the leipzig germany meetup it was he said it was a

2:29:09 a good meetup but he didn't record a report he sent a written report which is i wanted to hear

2:29:15 some german voices i wanted to hear your server i will read his very short report i call it a

2:29:22 success we were three dudes having a good time even though neither hookers nor blow were involved

2:29:29 i would like to thank dirk and philo for stopping by we decided to gather again in the near future

2:29:34 so keep an eye out for the next leipzig meetup uh announcement keep up the great works as christopher

2:29:40 thank you very much appreciate that you did that next time just get your phone out just record it

2:29:44 i'll cut it up don't worry about it we have a meetup taking place today it is in fact that is

2:29:50 well underway the tmi evac zone win lose or drone meetup at evergreen brewing in camp hill pennsylvania

2:29:57 So I hope to hear a meetup report from that.

2:29:58 And coming up on the 8th of May, Buda, Texas, Leiden, the Netherlands.

2:30:03 On the 9th, Eagle, Idaho, Santa Rosa, California, and Nashville, Tennessee.

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2:30:08 Raleigh, North Carolina, the 14th.

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2:30:17 Along with Fort Wayne, Indiana, too, in Indiana.

2:30:19 May 23rd, Los Angeles, California.

2:30:21 Another Leo Bravo meetup, I'm sure.

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2:31:05 always guaranteed a party sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days

2:31:13 And we have John's tip of the day coming up

2:31:30 Along with three dynamite end of show mixes

2:31:32 You will love that

2:31:33 Before we do anything though

2:31:34 We need to select our end of show ISO

2:31:36 We've kind of forgotten why we do it

2:31:38 But it is kind of fun

2:31:39 Because we get to select odd things that are short

2:31:43 and we'll play it at the very end of the show.

2:31:45 It's a three for three today.

2:31:47 So I'll go first

2:31:49 because you always think you have something better than me.

2:31:51 I went to the well for this one.

2:31:53 It's really incredible.

2:31:54 Easy, obviously.

2:31:57 We have this one.

2:31:58 Props to them.

2:31:59 And that's it.

2:32:02 Oh, that's no good.

2:32:03 That's no good.

2:32:05 That's actually pretty good.

2:32:06 What do you have?

2:32:08 Okay, I got three.

2:32:09 Okay.

2:32:09 Let's start with crazy.

2:32:11 Crazy.

2:32:12 These are crazy people.

2:32:13 Yeah, yeah.

2:32:15 These are crazy people.

2:32:18 It's all right.

2:32:19 I could use it in a pinch.

2:32:21 Amazing.

2:32:22 Another great show.

2:32:24 Amazing.

2:32:24 I have to stop it there because there's like seven seconds left, so you didn't cut that one right.

2:32:30 We can use that one.

2:32:32 I'm fine with that.

2:32:32 Let me hear the boobs.

2:32:34 Another great show.

2:32:35 Amazing.

2:32:35 She doesn't sound very amazed, but okay.

2:32:37 No, okay.

2:32:38 Boobs.

2:32:39 If you like boobs, donate to No Agenda.

2:32:42 Okay, that's clearly the one.

2:32:44 And again, there's like 16 seconds left.

2:32:47 I don't understand why I'm screwing this up.

2:32:51 You are screwing it up.

2:32:52 But you can make up for it with another Dynamite Tip of the Day.

2:32:56 If anybody has any Tip of the Day ideas,

2:33:07 just send them with the subject line, Tip of the Day,

2:33:10 Which is exactly what Commodore CIRMEC did.

2:33:12 Ah.

2:33:13 With this pretty good tip, I checked it out.

2:33:15 It's a software product called Ventoy.

2:33:19 It's one of the big, I've seen these things before and I've used them.

2:33:22 Ventoy?

2:33:23 This one here seems to be pretty damn good.

2:33:24 Ventoy?

2:33:25 How do you spell Ventoy?

2:33:27 V-E-N-T-O-Y.

2:33:29 Okay, Ventoy.

2:33:30 And it's Ventoy.net.

2:33:32 Ventoy.

2:33:33 Ventoy.net.

2:33:35 This allows you to create bootable USBs.

2:33:40 which can come in quite handy if you're on the road

2:33:42 and you just take your whole system and make a bootable USB,

2:33:47 stick it in someone's computer.

2:33:49 And blow it up.

2:33:50 Change the boot order, and boom,

2:33:53 you've got your whole system booting from the USB drive.

2:33:57 It just works well.

2:33:58 So what's wrong with just taking your computer?

2:34:02 What if you've got a big, giant desktop piece of,

2:34:06 just a, I don't, you know, in my case, I could do that

2:34:09 because I'm hauling around these nucks, these little bitty things.

2:34:12 But no, you don't want to.

2:34:16 Or you say you have a work office, you want to do it,

2:34:19 you have a home office and an office computer,

2:34:23 and it's a big clunker and it's a company thing, it's not a laptop.

2:34:26 Yeah, there's plenty of reasons that you want a bootable USB.

2:34:30 Or we say you got a secret system.

2:34:33 You got a bunch of stuff you don't want people looking at.

2:34:39 Well, I'll be honest.

2:34:41 I always have a bootable USB of Omarchi Linux.

2:34:45 I carry that with me just in case I need to set up a whole new show.

2:34:51 Like a whole new show system.

2:34:54 But that would be pretty much really the end, the end of everything if I had to resort to that.

2:35:01 That would be pretty bad.

2:35:02 Yeah, well.

2:35:05 Anyway, it uses just an ISO file.

2:35:09 Create an ISO file, drop it on here, and it all works well.

2:35:12 All right.

2:35:13 Check it out.

2:35:13 Please, everybody who's going to do that, raise your hand without talking.

2:35:16 Find them all at tipoftheday.net, noagendafun.com.

2:35:19 Created fast for you and me, just the tip with JCD.

2:35:24 And sometimes Adam.

2:35:27 Created by Dana Bernetti.

2:35:29 I got more pleasure out of your Bordeaux Blanche.

2:35:33 I have another wine tip coming next show.

2:35:36 Okay, good.

2:35:37 And that concludes your broadcast day for today.

2:35:40 Coming up next on the NO Agenda stream, we have our big dumb mouth, OBDM.

2:35:47 And they're going to be talking about the InfoWars shutdown, AI consciousness, and Area 51 quakes.

2:35:57 A second half of show if I've ever seen one, ever seen one before.

2:36:01 So that'll be next on the NO Agenda stream.

2:36:03 If you just keep listening to your modern podcast app, it will be the same.

2:36:07 And end of show mix is from Just Baker, who was just kicking butt with the Sunos.

2:36:12 Chris Mattson, an MVP, of course, bringing you the latest in anything promptable.

2:36:20 I think they're pretty good.

2:36:21 And we will be back on Thursday.

2:36:24 I will be coming to you from Amsterdam, the Netherlands, looking forward to...

2:36:29 Ooh, risky.

2:36:29 Risky.

2:36:30 Yeah, very risky.

2:36:33 Coming to you from the airport hotel, the one that had their logo just catch on fire.

2:36:38 Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, Fredericksburg, Texas.

2:36:42 In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

2:36:43 And from Refinery Row, I'm John C. Dvorak.

2:36:47 Remember us at noagendadonations.com.

2:36:49 Please, until Thursday, adios, mofos, a-hooey, hooey, and such.

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2:38:25 Just the truth, baby

2:38:29 Well, who do we have here?

2:38:34 John C. Davourac?

2:38:36 John C.

2:38:38 Yeah, John C.

2:38:40 There's the enemy experimental pointing device.

2:38:51 What about the bypass?

2:38:53 He doesn't need it.

2:38:56 We'll just put this mouse in there and call it good.

2:39:00 I can feel the fluorescent light

2:39:02 Cold table, someone's counting sponges on the right

2:39:11 The anesthesia didn't take

2:39:15 I'm watching my own ribcage open like a gate

2:39:24 The yackety-yack that goes on in the operator.

2:39:28 I tried to say something, but my lips won't move.

2:39:33 The surgeon's got good hands, though.

2:39:37 Smooth practice crew.

2:39:39 You can hear it all.

2:39:41 I was awake during my open-heart surgery.

2:39:47 Staring at the ceiling, counting ceiling tiles with me.

2:39:53 I could feel the pulling

2:39:56 But I couldn't feel the pain

2:40:00 Just a mild inconvenience and a drain

2:40:05 Like you died and you're not dead yet

2:40:07 The nurse said John C

2:40:11 Yeah, John C

2:40:13 The doctor held a mouse up

2:40:17 Said yeah, this'll do the same

2:40:22 You're sedated, you're asleep, but you're not.

2:40:31 You're dead, but how do you make them jokes?

2:40:32 Like through this little teaser.

2:40:33 Nurse, before we close,

2:40:36 why don't surgeons tell jokes during operations?

2:40:40 Why, doctor?

2:40:42 Because they might crack you up.

2:40:45 Oh, uh-huh.

2:40:47 Funny. Really funny.

2:40:51 All you remember is the listening to these voices during the surgery or during the.

2:41:09 Yeah, no. During the surgery. Oh, no.

2:41:12 Wow. That's kind of crazy.

2:41:21 We'll be right back.

2:41:51 Find the bait

2:41:52 Join the OG shit

2:41:54 Posting to escalate

2:41:56 Type a line, start a fire

2:41:59 Watch the discussion expire

2:42:01 Clapping back and sparking

2:42:02 Fighting where the shadows do in the inside

2:42:04 Trolling, trolling, trolling

2:42:07 Keep the troll room rolling

2:42:09 Trolling, trolling, trolling

2:42:11 Keep the troll room rolling

2:42:13 Backside

2:42:17 Keep trolling, trolling, trolling

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