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0:00 And from Refinery Row, where we're all watching what's going on in China, I'm John C. Dvorak.

0:30 It's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.

0:31 In the morning.

0:32 Yes, we are.

0:34 China.

0:35 Ch-ch-China.

0:37 Ch-ch-China.

0:39 China.

0:40 China.

0:41 China, China, China.

0:43 Yes, but before we talk about China,

0:46 I had a rather interesting re-entry.

0:50 Oh, you're back.

0:51 You are back from the hinterlands?

0:53 Yes, the lowlands.

0:55 The lowlands and get more nation there.

0:59 And you have a report.

1:00 Yes.

1:01 Always entertaining, I might add.

1:03 Yes.

1:04 Our re-entry into, well, first of all, we had a great time.

1:07 You know, we hung out with Christina and Kevin and we just had fun.

1:12 It was great.

1:12 And the airport hotel, I have to say, got kind of old after a week.

1:16 Yeah.

1:18 Well, they're not the most luxurious of places.

1:24 They're just handy.

1:25 Well, yeah.

1:26 I mean, they're business hotels, but we were in the hotel a lot because of the shows and stuff like that.

1:32 But the thing that bothered me is there was a blueberry in the hallway.

1:36 Have you ever had this where you see a blueberry or something on the carpet?

1:39 You're like, hmm.

1:40 And then you come back in the afternoon, the blueberry's still there.

1:43 And then for the whole week, you're looking at the blueberry, and then someone stepped on the blueberry.

1:47 But it never really got cleaned up, the blueberry.

1:49 And that was very disappointing.

1:51 Oh, what, did you report it?

1:53 No, I did not report it.

1:55 Well, you didn't report it.

1:57 What do you expect?

1:57 Well, I was waiting to...

2:00 Hello, War Room Service?

2:02 I was waiting...

2:04 You dropped a blueberry.

2:05 I was waiting to see if they would vacuum the hallway is just a crazy, crazy example.

2:12 No, they did not.

2:13 So, we came back via Detroit, which is a fine way to go.

2:20 You know, you can go Atlanta, Minneapolis, Detroit.

2:23 Detroit is a fine way to go?

2:25 Yeah, for a transfer?

2:27 Actually, that airport's kind of fascinating because there's a subway system that's inside the airport itself.

2:33 It's more like a monorail above.

2:35 It's not a subway.

2:36 Yeah, it's weird.

2:36 It's an overway.

2:37 It's an aboveway.

2:38 Yeah, it's an aboveway.

2:40 It's not a subway.

2:40 It's an aboveway.

2:41 And we decided to walk.

2:42 Gate 73 is a long way away.

2:47 But upon re-entry, we had, we have signed up, this is a typical team of things, like we're doing global entry.

2:55 Okay, we got global entry and you get your TSA pre-check and all that to go with it.

3:00 So at CB, and I should say as an aside, there's pretty much, it's all CBP now instead of TSA.

3:10 And that was just, we noticed that on the way out.

3:12 Well, I mean, you know, I think that there's still a CDP, the Canadian District Police.

3:18 No, CBP, the Customs and Border Patrol.

3:20 Oh, yes.

3:22 Who are doing most and, you know, and everything's kind of smooth.

3:26 But then coming back in.

3:27 So, you know, we always we don't have to stand in this line.

3:31 We're going to the kiosk, going to the global entry kiosk.

3:34 And it's odd because you have a card and you got your path.

3:39 You don't need any of that.

3:40 You just stand in front of the thing.

3:42 He goes, biometrics, hello.

3:44 All right, walk on by.

3:46 So as we're walking up,

3:49 you still have to go through the little port

3:51 and talk to the dude.

3:52 He says, Adam and Tina Curry.

3:55 Oh, that's interesting.

3:57 I didn't expect him to, come on up here, family.

4:00 Okay.

4:01 And he's like, okay, where were you?

4:03 What were you doing?

4:04 Were you working over there?

4:05 No, I was seeing my daughter.

4:06 She's going to have a baby.

4:08 Oh, that's great.

4:09 Okay.

4:09 Bring any cash with you?

4:11 No, no cash.

4:12 Any fruits, meats, vegetables, drugs, anything else we should know?

4:15 No, nothing.

4:16 Okay.

4:17 And so we go in and we're waiting for our bags.

4:21 And there were several Customs Border Patrol dudes patrolling through kind of the people waiting for their bags.

4:30 And I saw it right away.

4:32 You know, I'm going to try not to look.

4:33 Like, oh, he's patrolling.

4:34 And boom.

4:36 Folks, can I see your passports?

4:38 Okay.

4:39 Passports.

4:40 Here you go.

4:41 The same questions.

4:42 What are you doing?

4:44 Why are you there?

4:45 Are you working?

4:45 Are you bringing any cash?

4:46 Any meats, fruits, vegetables, anything?

4:50 Any drugs?

4:50 No, no, no.

4:51 Okay.

4:52 All right.

4:52 We get our bags.

4:54 We're walking towards the exit.

4:55 Another dude.

4:56 Hey, folks.

4:59 So we just talked to your colleague.

5:02 Oh, really?

5:02 Say, yeah.

5:03 Said, it must be because we look like international diamond smugglers.

5:07 Is that what it is?

5:09 Why don't you step over here, Mr. and Mrs. Curry?

5:11 Me and my big mouth.

5:14 So you made a snide remark?

5:16 It was a funny remark.

5:17 I'm like, why are you guys targeting us?

5:20 Do we look like international diamond smugglers?

5:22 Yeah, folks, why don't you step over here?

5:24 And we're going to do a little bag check.

5:27 But what was so obvious.

5:29 Oh, they did a bag check on you then?

5:31 Yeah, opened everything.

5:32 Ooh.

5:33 But it was so obvious they were looking for cash.

5:36 Okay, do you have any cash on you?

5:39 I said, how much do you want?

5:40 You're looking for cash coming in?

5:42 Yes, yes.

5:43 Why?

5:44 I don't know.

5:45 I said, how much cash do you want?

5:46 I said, I got 80 bucks here.

5:49 That's all I got.

5:50 And they really didn't do a thorough check of the bags at all.

5:54 You know, and they were nice and everything, but it was just so odd.

5:59 They kept asking about cash.

6:00 You got any cash?

6:01 You got cash.

6:02 And the whole time I'm thinking, I have a whole.

6:05 You know what I'm thinking?

6:06 What?

6:07 There's a counterfeit ring going on in Europe.

6:09 Something must be going on with cash.

6:11 Yeah, they're looking for counterfeit money to bring broad into the country.

6:16 I mean, that's the only thing that makes logical sense.

6:20 Maybe.

6:20 I mean, and there's so much to look at in my bag.

6:23 You know, I got in my studio with me.

6:25 No, nothing.

6:26 They didn't ask a question about it, I'm sure.

6:28 No, not a single thing.

6:30 It was kind of, but so it had to be the cash.

6:33 Meanwhile, I'm thinking, you guys are all so old-fashioned.

6:36 I got a Bitcoin memorized in my head.

6:39 I'm walking around with a full Bitcoin crossing borders.

6:42 Didn't mention that, but because it is.

6:46 Isn't that just kind of old-fashioned, this whole idea of cash?

6:49 Who smuggles cash across the border anymore?

6:52 Especially into the country.

6:54 Yeah, right?

6:55 Unless it's counterfeit.

6:57 You imagine if I had some of those Trump dollars that we got snagged with the other day.

7:04 What is this?

7:06 I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

7:07 So, we did have a dinner with Lex and Fariba, his Persian wife, which was interesting.

7:20 Yeah, what's the lowdown?

7:21 Well, first of all, we had Peking duck, which is kind of strange to have that in Amsterdam.

7:28 And I said, you know, so what's the deal?

7:33 have you heard from your family?

7:37 She says, well, like once a week we might get a WhatsApp message

7:41 and they have to do all kinds of stuff to, you know,

7:46 sometimes get a SIM card, have to find a Wi-Fi signal.

7:49 It's very, very difficult.

7:51 But in general, when they get a message, it's like everything's okay.

7:55 Nobody knows what's going on.

7:57 Nobody.

7:59 They just don't know what's going on.

8:02 And, you know, and it was it was kind of fun as we're just we're just talking about life in Iran, in Tehran and life in Iran.

8:09 And I say, yeah, you know, that that son of the Khomeini guy, he's supposedly he's gay.

8:14 And Furibe says, oh, we have no idea how many men in Iran are gay.

8:20 What? Oh, yeah.

8:22 She says, you know, you can't hold hands with a woman, but you can kiss a man on the street.

8:27 What?

8:29 She says, oh, yeah.

8:30 There's even cave drawings in Iran of men having sex with men.

8:34 She says, this goes back thousands of years.

8:36 She says, that sounds kind of weird.

8:40 Yeah, yeah.

8:41 She says, that's what it is.

8:44 You can make out with a dude, but you can't hold a woman's hand in Iran on the street.

8:49 Now, on the other hand, she made very clear to me that hijabs have really not been a thing in Tehran for a long time.

8:59 In fact, he says, look out the window.

9:00 He said, look at the street here.

9:02 He says, there are more hijabs in Amsterdam than you will ever see in Tehran.

9:06 Which was kind of a double slap.

9:09 Like, yeah.

9:10 Because it's true.

9:12 Man, you do not want to go to Amsterdam anymore.

9:14 There's no Dutch people there.

9:17 That stinks.

9:19 Yeah, it does stink, really.

9:22 And it must really ruin the bar scene.

9:23 The bar scene.

9:27 Actually, I have a couple of clips about the internet blackout in Iran, if you want to hear them.

9:31 Sure.

9:32 Okay.

9:33 90 million people.

9:35 That is how many Iranians have been functionally cut off from the global internet since January 8th, 2026.

9:43 Not slowed down, not filtered, cut off.

9:47 Connectivity sitting at 1% of normal levels, according to NetBlocks, the digital governance monitor that has been tracking this in real time.

9:56 By March 10th, the total had hit 240 hours of blackout since the start of the year.

10:03 The internet monitor marked the milestone publicly,

10:06 calling it one of the most severe government-imposed shutdowns on record globally.

10:11 And that was not even the peak.

10:14 By April 11th, the counter had crossed 1,000 hours.

10:18 The ceasefire between Iran, the United States and Israel

10:22 had already been announced three days earlier on April 8th.

10:26 the guns went quiet, the missiles stopped, and the internet stayed off. That is the detail that

10:32 tells you everything you need to know about what this blackout actually is. Because this was never

10:38 about the war. The war was the cover story. Over the next few minutes, I'm going to show you

10:44 exactly how Iran built a two-tier information system. Who is online while everyone else sits

10:51 in darkness what the regime told the world out loud about who deserves a connection and why the

10:59 plan that filter watch obtained from inside the government makes every other authoritarian

11:04 internet crackdown look like a trial run i thought there was kind of an interesting report because

11:10 you know they they really did have a whole plan to cut people off from the internet

11:14 um which i guess could happen anywhere i guess if you had enough control i don't know about the

11:23 united states but i could certainly see it happening in any european country any eu nation

11:27 state and here's some of that plan the technical architecture behind all of this is what makes

11:34 this story genuinely different from every previous internet crackdown filter watch the iran-focused

11:41 Internet Monitoring Organization, obtained and published a confidential government plan

11:46 in January 2026. The name of that plan is Absolute Digital Isolation. The document describes a

11:54 deliberate, coordinated, multi-year project to transform Iran's internet infrastructure

12:00 into what it calls a barracks internet. Under that system, access to the global web is not

12:07 a default right that gets selectively removed during crises. It is a privilege granted only

12:14 to vetted individuals and organizations that pass a security clearance process. Everyone else gets

12:20 the domestic intranet. Everyone else gets state television. Everyone else gets what the regime

12:26 decides they should know. The plan is being built on a Huawei-based platform coordinating

12:32 to Chinese technical partners. Iran International obtained information indicating the project is

12:38 estimated to cost between $700 million and $1 billion, with all equipment from Huawei

12:45 entering Iran in 24 containers after the June 2025 12-day war. President Massoud Pazeshkian

12:53 visited the construction site in March 2025. China's ambassador also paid a visit.

13:01 So, and they have these jamming systems for the Starlink, and you literally have Internet and Internet Pro.

13:07 And if you can afford the Internet Pro and you're on the list, then you can go outside the country and surf the web or do whatever.

13:15 And somehow WhatsApp once in a while gets through.

13:18 So, I can see it.

13:22 I can see that as being a Huawei system.

13:25 And they sell it to everybody.

13:26 Hey, you guys want this?

13:27 You can shut down your people?

13:30 Well, you know, it's a bad sign, but it seems like something that other people would be looking at.

13:35 You're right.

13:35 The EU could do it.

13:36 Yeah.

13:37 Anyone could do it.

13:38 Maybe it should be done in some countries.

13:40 Well, let's be honest.

13:40 You're losing control.

13:41 Let's be honest.

13:42 It's not like the Internet has been a plus for the world, has it now?

13:47 Well, I mean, it expedites things.

13:51 Yes, yeah, it does.

13:53 But that's about it.

13:54 It's made our job harder.

13:56 We used to just be able to watch C-SPAN.

13:59 We got to watch all this other crap.

14:01 It's amazing.

14:02 Yeah, it's true.

14:03 We have to watch a lot of crap.

14:04 We got to watch all this other crap.

14:05 Did you see any of the Hegseth hearings?

14:08 Everyone moaning and groaning about Iran and how much it costs and all of this.

14:14 Yeah, I saw some of it.

14:17 I think we maybe played a couple of clips.

14:19 It's been going on for a while.

14:20 Yeah.

14:21 Well, my, I think it was Murkowski.

14:25 Where's she from again, Murkowski?

14:27 Alaska.

14:28 What is she even doing in D.C.?

14:31 Well, she's the one, you have to, Murkowski was, I don't know how she,

14:36 and she actually, kind of her appearance changed.

14:39 She was fairly attractive when she was younger.

14:42 Oh, hold on, let's take a look.

14:43 Yes.

14:44 Well, the point is that she was a Republican representative senator from Alaska.

14:50 And then, but she's kind of a middle, you know, middle of the road Republican.

14:57 And so they decided to primary her years and years ago.

15:01 And so they brought some stiff in there to run against her.

15:06 And they took her off.

15:06 She wasn't a Republican.

15:07 She couldn't register as an independent.

15:10 So she actually had the statewide write-in vote.

15:15 You had to write her name in the ballot.

15:18 And she won.

15:20 You know, I'm looking at her.

15:22 And, yeah, she had kind of that cute political kind of face back in the day.

15:27 you know what she forgot to moisturize yeah well she's got a skeletor like look now that's where

15:33 things went wrong ladies you've got to moisturize particularly if you're doing a lot of flying

15:39 please remember these things so she misquotes the president which i thought was just fun to listen

15:45 to now let me turn and say secretary hex says that the president has called medicaid medicare

15:52 and child care little scams and said, quote, we're fighting wars.

15:56 We cannot take care of daycare.

15:59 OK, let's just go back and listen.

16:02 Do you think that's what the president said?

16:04 Did he say these are little scams?

16:05 And I actually said to them, I said to Russell, don't send any money for daycare because

16:12 the United States can't take care of daycare.

16:15 That has to be up to a state.

16:17 We can't take care of daycare.

16:19 We're a big country.

16:20 We have 50 states.

16:21 We have all these other people who are fighting wars.

16:24 We can't take care of daycare.

16:26 You've got to let a state take care of daycare, and they should pay for it, too.

16:30 They should pay.

16:31 They have to raise their taxes, but they should pay for it.

16:34 And we could lower our taxes a little bit to them to make up for it.

16:38 But it's not possible for us to take care of daycare.

16:40 Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things, they can do it on a state basis.

16:46 You can't do it on a federal.

16:47 We have to take care of one thing, military protection.

16:51 so that's what he really said he said the states need to take care of it not the federal government

16:56 but she twists that and let's just listen to that once again now let me turn and say secretary

17:02 hexes the the president has called medicaid medicare and child care little scams and said

17:09 quote we're fighting wars we cannot take uh care of daycare yeah you see that's how you do it don't

17:17 ignore all the preamble that he said just say he said this i'm just trying to understand that

17:23 is it your position which is complete positioning because this is you know a senatorial hearing

17:30 and it's all about the clips and it's all about your little moment and that's what she wanted to

17:35 get out and it's dishonest you're asking taxpayers for another half a trillion dollars for the war

17:41 that american families should be forced to give up child care and health coverage and now she now

17:46 So for your half a trillion dollars, Hegseth, you crazy Christian, for your half a trillion dollars, we have to give up our health care?

17:55 You can have one and a half trillion dollars for this budget?

17:57 Senator, that's not my department.

18:01 I certainly support this, and I also support the president's efforts to find and remove fraud wherever possible in a general sense.

18:08 And we do that in our department as well.

18:10 I'm not talking about fraud.

18:12 I actually asked whether an American family should lose their health care or their child care to pay for this budget.

18:19 That is literally what the president suggested.

18:21 Oh, man.

18:23 It's so good.

18:25 The president has proposed a historic $1.5 trillion budget that will defend the nation.

18:33 And space.

18:34 Golden Dome.

18:35 Confront threats like Iran, which previous presidents allowed to happen, as Senator Graham pointed out.

18:40 previous administration said they wanted to take care of this problem the question they did not

18:44 this committee the question in front of the american people is what are they being asked

18:49 to give up for this one and a half trillion dollars that's where i was talking about and

18:54 uh lastly mr secretary your budget request cuts through trump's ramblings and really

19:00 ramblings the truth clear that you and the president don't value families as much as you

19:04 value defense senator it's such a show yeah you don't you don't value families you're just like

19:11 war we're talking to the war guy you know she's gonna bring value families and she should he

19:16 should have thrown back everywhere what do you need daycare for because you should have the true

19:20 family structure would have oh yeah hey if you're you've got it right in her face yeah no he's not

19:26 he's good he's not that good he's no he's not that good not good uh president trump though you know

19:32 he definitely does not care. The war also taking a toll on American consumers. Inflation rose last

19:38 month by 3.8% compared to the same period last year. Energy prices fueling the surge with gas

19:45 up 28.4%. That's one factor driving up prices in supermarkets and restaurants. All the lettuces,

19:53 whether it be iceberg, romaine, field greens, they are high. Oranges are high. Tomatoes are

20:01 are almost four over four times what they normally cost before leaving for china president trump said

20:09 higher prices here at home will not influence his negotiations with iran the only thing that

20:14 matters when i'm talking about iran they can't have a nuclear weapon i don't think about

20:19 america's financial situation i don't think about anybody

20:23 good work president that doesn't help his case that does not help so then so but of course you

20:30 And we have to keep spiking the ball here.

20:33 So we have Patty Murray, Senator.

20:35 Where's Patty Murray?

20:36 Another one.

20:36 Another one of these.

20:37 She's back east.

20:38 Forgot to moisturize.

20:40 And it takes it a little further.

20:43 Mr. Secretary, the war in Iran has not only cost 13 American service member lives,

20:49 it is also costing American taxpayers dearly.

20:53 Tens of billions of dollars and counting.

20:56 And that's money that could be helping people perhaps get health care.

20:59 But instead, we're paying for bombs dropped in a war that American people overwhelmingly oppose.

21:04 See, you could have had health care.

21:06 We also all could have had like a new car, all kinds of stuff.

21:10 But she said, oh, no, everyone could have had health care if you stopped dropping bombs.

21:14 Yeah, yeah, that's true.

21:17 Well, actually, I take it back.

21:19 Patty Mercer from Washington State.

21:20 Yeah, she's the idiot from Washington.

21:23 I should know that.

21:25 Yes, you should.

21:26 I know that your team testified Trump's war with Iran cost $29 billion so far.

21:31 Trump's war with Iran.

21:32 That is $29 billion blown on a war of choice,

21:37 and that's what it would have cost, actually, to save the ACA.

21:39 By the way, stop.

21:40 Good turn.

21:42 You know, this idea, they've been trying to push the meme war of choice.

21:46 Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

21:47 They say it as a kind of a catchphrase, war of choice.

21:51 It hasn't caught on.

21:54 And they they they stopped it. They started right away with it.

21:57 And then they stopped it for a while. And then they're bringing it back.

21:59 Testified Trump's war with Iran cost twenty nine billion so far.

22:03 That is twenty nine billion dollars blown on a war of choice.

22:07 And that's what it would have cost, actually, to save the ACA tax credits.

22:11 But as my colleagues have already stated, what is concerning as well as it seems quite clear that that is that cost estimate is suspiciously low.

22:21 So this whole, you know, health care versus war, somehow that seeped into the president's brain, and he's using all kinds of health care terms.

22:38 Have you noticed this?

22:39 No.

22:40 Oh, check this out.

22:41 For the time being, the ceasefire remains in place.

22:43 It's unbelievably weak, I would say.

22:48 I would call it the weakest right now, after reading that piece of garbage they sent us.

22:54 I didn't even finish reading it.

22:55 I said, I'm not going to waste my time reading it.

22:58 I would say it's one of the weakest right now.

23:01 It's on life support.

23:02 Life support.

23:03 They understand these are all medical people.

23:04 And so Dr. Oz is standing behind him.

23:07 And he said, oh, the ceasefire is on life support.

23:10 Dr. Oz, life support is not a good thing.

23:13 Do you agree?

23:13 Diagnostic.

23:15 I would say the ceasefire is on.

23:16 And then I was like, well, yeah, that's right, Mr. President.

23:20 Massive life support where the doctor walks in and says,

23:23 sir, your loved one has approximately a 1% chance of living.

23:30 But they changed their mind because they didn't put it in the paper.

23:33 So when they sent us this document that we waited four days for,

23:36 that should have taken 10 minutes to do, it looked very simple.

23:40 We get that.

23:41 They guarantee no nuclear weapons for a very long period of time.

23:46 And a couple of other minor things, but they just can't get there.

23:49 Yeah, so all kinds of medical terms.

23:52 Did you notice how he slipped that new thing in there?

23:54 What's the new thing?

23:55 No nuclear weapons for a very long period of time as opposed to no nuclear weapons.

24:01 Yes, yeah.

24:02 Yeah, that's definitely on the table.

24:04 Yeah, so they're obviously going to do some deal where they're working on a deal where,

24:09 okay, the moratorium on your doing the enrichment.

24:14 Yeah.

24:14 How many years?

24:16 Okay, 10, 5, 10.

24:17 He doesn't, you know, and they can make the argument,

24:19 what difference, since you're waiting for the 12th imam,

24:22 you know, what difference does it make

24:26 whether you wait another decade or not for the 12th imam?

24:29 Come on.

24:29 It doesn't make a difference, really.

24:31 That's the art of the deal right there.

24:33 Hey, listen, boys, you're waiting for the 12th imam.

24:37 The guy's going to come.

24:37 He's going to come.

24:38 He'll come when he's ready.

24:39 That's so funny.

24:45 Yeah, so the president and his entire crew are in China.

24:51 This has been quite interesting to watch.

24:54 Do you have any clips on the China visit?

24:57 I don't know if I do.

24:59 I'm all over the map with clips today.

25:02 You want to do some China stuff?

25:06 Because I've been noticing a few things.

25:08 Yeah, finish your China stuff up.

25:10 Yeah, I got Trump on China.

25:13 let's play the prelude on ntd uh trying to tease in the whole thing there you go yeah good president

25:19 trump touching down today in beijing for a high stakes two-day summit ah the terms the terms high

25:25 stakes high stakes pomp and circumstance there's a lot of buzzwords they're using high stakes

25:33 president trump touching down today in beijing for a high stakes two-day summit with xi jinping

25:38 as rapid shifts in the global power dynamics loom large blows to beijing's key partners in

25:43 venezuela and iran mounting tensions over tuan and human rights all expected to be on the tuan

25:49 what's the problem with tuan beijing's key partners in venezuela and iran mounting tensions

25:57 over tuan you gotta be sitting at home watching chinese run operation ntd why are they saying

26:06 tuan arj blows to beijing's key partners in venezuela and iran mounting tensions over tuan

26:12 and human rights all expected to be on the table.

26:15 NTD's White House correspondent Mari Otsu sets the stage for us from the North Lawn of the White House.

26:21 President Trump's arrival in Beijing for a major two-day summit with Chinese Communist Party leader Xi Jinping

26:26 comes against the backdrop of a new world order.

26:28 In January, the ouster of Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro

26:31 dealt a major blow to one of China's key partners in the Western Hemisphere.

26:35 And just weeks later, U.S. strikes on Iran hit another regime that's reliant on China,

26:40 with Iran's foreign minister visiting Beijing a week ahead of President Trump's visit.

26:44 Again, all I will say is Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism and China has been

26:52 buying 90% of their energy. So they are funding the largest state sponsor of terrorism. But more

26:57 importantly, Iran, the threat of attacks from Iran has closed the strait. We are reopening it.

27:05 So I would urge the Chinese to join us in supporting this international operation.

27:10 You know, there are things moving through the U.N. that China and Russia have blocked.

27:15 Now, as President Trump is in China meeting Xi Jinping for the first time since they met in Busan, South Korea last fall, talks are expected to go far beyond trade.

27:24 That's as the president has framed tariffs, market access and the flow of fentanyl from China into the U.S. as national security issues.

27:31 And while new trade agreements on U.S. goods like soybeans, beef, and other farm products are on the table, past deals with the CCP have proved fragile, like the October trade truce reached in Busan after months of zero U.S. soybean purchases from China, China only meeting the 12 million ton goal after repeated delays and extensions.

27:47 The summit also coming as Washington challenges China's critical minerals monopoly.

27:51 Yeah, you know, so everybody is spinning this in a certain way, and I'm a little mad at myself.

27:58 If I had heard your clip, I never listen to John's clips for everybody listening, because I want to be just as surprised as you are.

28:05 I would have done a super cut of this high stakes.

28:09 Here's the BBC.

28:10 We start with the superpower summit in China.

28:13 The U.S. President Donald Trump has landed in Beijing, where he'll meet the Chinese leader Xi Jinping for intensive talks.

28:20 My colleague in Beijing, Steve Lai, described the moments immediately after Mr. Trump's plane touched down.

28:26 Mr. Trump, thanks, BBC.

28:27 We can see Air Force One just landed and taxiing to its stopping position.

28:32 You can see the president of the military fatigues there standing alone and solitary in the center of that screen or just to the left as we go past it.

28:41 The plane will, we imagine, be turning around.

28:43 We saw a ladder as well getting ready to be placed in position for the president and his delegation to walk down.

28:50 And you can see another military figure standing as well.

28:54 China said Mr. Trump's visit could be the start of a new chapter in relations between the

28:59 superpowers in a turbulent world. Mr. Trump is being treated to a state visit, but significant

29:05 tensions remain between the two countries, and there are a number of complex issues the U.S.

29:10 and Chinese delegations will need to navigate. Battles over trade and the fight to dominate

29:15 strategically important technologies like AI mean the two sides will have some very difficult

29:20 conversations ahead of them so even if this visit seems friendly with donald trump predicting

29:26 several times that xi jinping will be giving him a big hug there's a lot at stake here

29:31 that crap the other clip has high stakes in it this abc clip has highs everyone has high stakes

29:36 with great pomp and pageantry china rolling out the red carpet what is pomp

29:42 what is pump pump ask the robot no i haven't even fired the robot up hold on a second where

29:50 is the robot hello pump all right pump and circumstance what's the circumstance well

29:55 let's there's another you might as well just the whole phrase is idiotic explain the etymology of

30:00 pump and circumstance all right come on robot

30:04 pump it got pump instead of pump oh here we go according to the book of knowledge

30:13 pomp and circumstance originates from shakespeare's play othello where in act three othello speaks

30:20 the line pride pomp and circumstance of glorious war oh pomp comes from latin and french meaning

30:27 splendid display or ceremony while circumstance in its archaic sense meant formal ceremony rather

30:34 than mere conditions.

30:35 Well, we learned something.

30:38 It has been written.

30:39 Yes, I didn't know that.

30:40 It has been written.

30:41 Well, that was interesting.

30:42 I have to say,

30:43 it's the first time

30:44 the robot has provided something

30:46 that's actually interesting.

30:48 With great pomp and pageantry,

30:50 China rolling out...

30:51 Oh, now we got pomp and pageantry.

30:53 They're just doing alliteration.

30:56 That is not from Shakespeare.

30:57 ...carpet for President Trump.

30:58 300 young people

31:01 waving Chinese and American flags.

31:03 steps behind him two of the major tech leaders he brought along elon musk and ai chip maker

31:09 nvidia's ceo jensen wong the president didn't you just love how everyone was going on for days like

31:15 well you know jensen wong's not going he's not going who is not going he's not going

31:21 oh he's going and had hoped this trip would reset u.s relations with china the world's other

31:27 economic superpower the summit had already been rescheduled once because of the war in iran

31:32 But the war is now in its 10th week, and China, by far the largest buyer of Iranian oil, now seeing its supply cut off.

31:40 And while the president claims the war won't dominate the agenda, he knows it looms large.

31:45 They say, they just say stuff.

31:50 You'll hear them say, everyone is like, oh, this is tense.

31:53 It's intense.

31:54 It's all about this.

31:55 I think, I think Trump is really looking forward to it.

31:59 I think he's happy.

32:00 he's like well did you see trump's presentation at the table i have a couple clips of that yeah

32:05 yeah he's pretty magnanimous yeah this is you remember arc america russia china

32:12 against the globalists i i i really think that everyone's on a little uh party line

32:19 a little call hey vlad hey g hey donuts how you doing yeah and he's got all he's got all

32:25 this guy's on his side of the table the chinese has got a bunch of ministers but he's got you

32:30 know he's got i think tim cook is there yeah yeah uh all these guys that are hot shots that do

32:37 business with china yeah he is he is listen more pump musk has got a tesla factory there he's got

32:43 to be there too a key story of the day president trump meeting with uh chinese leader xi jinping

32:48 in beijing when we get straight over to amon javers he's on the ground in china damon's on

32:53 the ground this morning good morning yeah good morning to you andrew you're looking at live

32:59 pictures now of president trump arriving at the great hall of the people this is for uh the banquet

33:04 this evening remember it is evening here in beijing uh and they have a star-studded cast of

33:10 ceos and political figures attending this state banquet at the great hall you just saw the

33:15 president's arrive they're about to get underway we've seen uh cameras in the room elon musk is

33:20 there along with a whole host of american ceos as well uh the president uh was greeted by pomp

33:27 and ceremony earlier today pomp and ceremony pomp and ceremony wow this is great well uh the

33:37 president was greeted by pomp you know there's you know why they're saying this they're saying

33:42 this because oh trump all he cares about is is that they suck as a suck him off pomp they just

33:48 swamp that's why they're saying it yeah yeah they love that and ceremony earlier today at that same

33:57 great hall of the people we saw soldiers marching adoring children and of course this handshake

34:03 which was a large part of the reason that president trump traveled halfway around the

34:07 world to come to beijing to signal uh friendly relations with the chinese side and he hopes

34:15 to cut some significant business deals now there were some uh some real interesting firsts um

34:23 i didn't know this but it's very rare that the secretary of defense or of war as we call him

34:29 would join to beijing for a high-stakes summit with chinese leader xi jinping the visit comes

34:35 despite past trade tensions and rivalry between the world's two major economies while president

34:41 Trump is not being accompanied by First Lady Melania Trump, he will be joined by two key

34:46 members of his administration, U.S. Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and U.S. Secretary of State

34:52 Marco Rubio. Both visits are unusual for different reasons. Hegseth has become the first American

34:58 defense chief in decades to accompany a sitting president on a state visit to China. This marks

35:04 a rare break from traditional diplomatic practice. That is kind of interesting. Yeah, well,

35:11 i have a clip here you should play because what's most interesting is rubio is actually banned from

35:17 going to china that's the second part of my clip but i'm happy to play yours oh okay well mine's a

35:23 little more probably a little more elaborate the secretary of state is traveling with president

35:27 trump in beijing after china sanctioned him back in 2020 for introducing bills as a senator

35:32 targeting the chinese regime's crackdown on political dissidents in hong kong and slavery

35:37 camps for Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Rubio also introduced legislation to stop China's

35:42 forced organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners. Human rights are the most

35:46 distinct differentiation between the United States of America and the Chinese Communist Party.

35:51 The Chinese Communist Party is currently conducting a genocide. They do forced organ

35:56 harvesting, which means they pull organs out of living people to give it to officials that

36:02 the chinese communist party prefers is this rubio saying this no that wasn't rubio that was just

36:08 somebody doing an analysis this is ntd again yeah of course this is unlike any regime we've seen for

36:14 say 85 years you can think back and see who else acted like that nazi germany and others and

36:20 president trump himself has also vowed to bring some of the chinese regime's human rights abuses

36:25 back into the spotlight with the imprisonment of political prisoners such as the hong kong

36:30 activist Jimmy Lai and Christian pastor Ezra Jin Mingrui. No, they missed the punchline. They

36:36 missed the punchline. Let me see if I can find it for you. Rubio was a vocal critic of China,

36:40 leading Beijing to sanction him twice. So how was he being allowed entry into China? Well,

36:47 according to reports, Beijing is using a linguistic workaround. Rubio's name has been modified on

36:53 official Chinese lists by altering the first syllable of his surname to Lu. This will allow

36:59 authorities to bypass wait a minute isn't that how they pronounce his name anyway ah secretary

37:04 lubio lubio mr lubio you're here it's almost like they're writing the jokes for us oh i know we'll

37:13 do we can't have rubio come but lubio lubio welcome legal restrictions without officially

37:18 lifting any sanctions earlier china also indicated that rubio's past actions would not

37:24 block his visits oh the sanctions okay anyway um let me see i think you're right they dropped the

37:32 ball on the punch line yeah it's a great punch line ha sakatale lubio welcome to china this is

37:39 nbc and here's the president exiting the plane now going to come down those steps now listen

37:43 listen very carefully i think the the guy comes in here and he's going to tell you

37:47 what what he wants you to hear about how china is supposedly thinking about all this

37:53 but he uses really sketchy sources to this particular ceremony that we're going to see here

37:58 um jonathan we had just had janice explained to us tomorrow will is really where we'll see a lot

38:04 of that pomp and circumstance when he actually meets um with xi jinping when the two of them

38:08 are together but walk us through what we're going to see here in this moment and just how significant

38:12 it is um the president stepping onto chinese soil yeah i mean as as your colleague said if you ask

38:19 I mean, this is the first time we've had a U.S. president visiting China in nearly a decade, right?

38:24 And President Trump was the last one to make this trip back in 2017.

38:27 So this is fairly momentous, just a mere fact of the trip actually happening, right?

38:33 And it is a shift in the overall tenor and vibe for the U.S.-China relationship

38:39 because after that trip in 2017, you, of course, had the trade war with Washington, between Washington and China.

38:46 And then throughout the Biden administration, whenever there were encounters between the two presidents, it was always in third countries, right?

38:52 I think there was a real hesitation on both sides to engage in this kind of reciprocal visit, especially since the relationship was in such a tense period, right?

39:02 So, again, I think this really shows a shift.

39:05 And, again, almost back to an earlier era in some ways, it feels like.

39:09 Ah, crap.

39:10 That's not the clip I was thinking of.

39:11 I'm sorry.

39:11 I dumped out of that.

39:12 This is the second time you did this.

39:13 Yeah.

39:14 It happens.

39:15 I got a lot of clips.

39:16 No, it's because you're jet-lagged.

39:18 Yes, that's it. I'm jet-lagged.

39:20 So here is a translated version of President Xi's speech, just a little bit here, a minute, at the big banquet.

39:32 And I'm listening to this, I'm like, man, these guys, they got plans together.

39:37 This was really nice.

39:38 This is a historic visit.

39:41 This year marks the start of China's 15th five-year plan for economic and social development.

39:47 The over 1.4 billion people of China join on the rich heritage of our over five...

39:54 Say what?

39:54 Oh, you mean the amount of people?

39:57 Yeah, the amount of people.

39:58 We know it's bullshit.

39:59 People of China.

40:00 Wait, let's go back.

40:02 Here we go.

40:02 The over 1.4 billion people of China.

40:05 How many do you think it is?

40:06 What is the latest tally?

40:08 Well, most people are pushing it at 600 million.

40:11 Wow, that's a lot.

40:12 But I think it's around 800 million.

40:13 That's still a lot of people.

40:15 Oh, yeah, it's two to three times as many as we have.

40:19 Yeah.

40:19 The over 1.4 billion people of China drawing on the rich heritage of our over 5,000-year civilization

40:27 are advancing Chinese modernization on all fronts through high-quality development.

40:35 This year is also the 250th anniversary of American independence.

40:41 This is nice of them to mention that.

40:43 After they say, hey, we're 5,000 years old, but happy birthday.

40:48 Happy birthday.

40:49 Of American independence.

40:51 The over 300 million American people are reinvigorating the spirit of patriotism, innovation, and enterprise.

41:00 Yeah.

41:00 And ushering in a new journey for the development of the United States.

41:05 the people of china and the united states are both great peoples achieving the great

41:12 rejuvenation of the chinese nation and making america great again whoa can go hand in hand

41:18 we can help each other succeed and advance the well-being of the whole world they threw out a

41:25 maga the whole thing that was nice threw a mega in there yeah threw a maga in there and said hey

41:31 We can work together, link arms, grab Russia, we'll fight the globalists.

41:36 Here's our president.

41:36 As allies in World War II, President Franklin Roosevelt's mentions of the brave people of China,

41:44 that's what they were, grew loud cheers in his speeches in the United States.

41:49 Wait a minute, were we friends back then with China?

41:52 Oh, yeah, we had the Flying Tigers over there fighting the Japanese.

41:56 We had a lot of, yeah, the Chinese and us were tight.

42:00 We were the ones that roused the Japanese.

42:02 We were on the side of China.

42:03 There was all kinds of workarounds, work-togethers.

42:07 Yeah.

42:08 We used our land as a base for landing our planes.

42:13 They were very, let us do that.

42:15 Where did this all go wrong?

42:18 When did all of a sudden they become the big, evil China?

42:20 When Mao Zedong basically, maybe, you know, 49, I think, is when that began.

42:28 And when the Kuomintang went over to Taiwan and Chiang Kai-shek, you know, that kind of thing.

42:36 Yeah.

42:37 That era.

42:37 Yeah, it's just a couple of bad dudes.

42:39 By the way.

42:41 It's actually, you know, then they became isolationists and it wasn't until Nixon and Kissinger opened it up.

42:46 Yeah.

42:46 That we noticed that these guys have a lot of interesting capabilities.

42:51 Overproduction being one of them.

42:53 Yeah.

42:53 And then we shipped everything over there and went, ah, screw you, America.

42:57 This is great.

42:58 ...of the brave people of China, that's what they were,

43:02 grew loud cheers in his speeches in the United States,

43:05 and everybody loved what he had to say,

43:08 just as many Chinese now love basketball and blue jeans,

43:12 Chinese restaurants in America today outnumber

43:16 the five largest fast food chains in the United States all combined.

43:20 That's a pretty big statement.

43:22 Wow, I didn't hear that one about the Chinese restaurants.

43:28 I'm surprised they're not calling him racist.

43:29 We love that Chinese food.

43:31 Egg foo young.

43:32 President Trump is racist.

43:34 Chop suey.

43:35 Racist.

43:35 He's racist.

43:36 He's cracking jokes about the Chinese restaurants.

43:40 And this is the wrap where he gets the invitation to come and visit us.

43:45 As America prepares to celebrate its 250th birthday, President Trump referencing the past in America's history, talking about U.S.-China relations over the years.

43:55 also talking about the present saying that today's talks between the two countries extremely positive

44:01 and productive and referencing the future with an invitation to china's president to visit the

44:06 white house in september yeah i wish i could find that one clip of the guy together that's not it

44:13 this is i wish i could find that that was funny what are you looking for yeah the clip where the

44:18 guy was gone nuts he was the guy was talking about he was reading stuff off twitter oh well

44:24 the Chinese think this the Chinese think oh man oh yeah I'm pissed about that uh

44:29 yeah maybe this Henrietta Trez joins us here managing partner and director of economic policy

44:36 at Veda Partners she's down there in New Orleans as they say New Orleans Henrietta what are your

44:41 expectations and the expectations of the people you talk to about this uh coming up summit with

44:48 president g in china hey guys um my expectations are much like yours pretty low i think um secretary

44:55 besant and ambassador greer have been planting that um perception for not just weeks but months

45:02 now even before the iran war started they haven't i am really i would call attention like your

45:07 previous guests to secretary besant no they haven't no this is bloomberg who is the first

45:13 Oh, Bloomberg hates Trump.

45:15 Oh, big time.

45:16 And a Treasury Secretary is going to be leading a delegation like this since Hank Paulson during the Great Recession, for all of us who remember what that was like and the coordination that was needed around the globe.

45:26 So I'm really expecting if any gains are going to be made, and it's not just a maintenance of the status quo, I suspect it'll be on the soybean deal that she reached in 2025.

45:37 Everyone talks about, oh, soybeans, it'll be about this.

45:43 No, I think there's only one topic, and everybody thinks it's Taiwan.

45:48 I don't think it's Taiwan.

45:49 I think the topic is, hey, Donald, how do we get some of that oil?

45:54 We need that oil.

45:56 What are we doing?

45:57 Can we fix the oil?

45:59 Isn't that the only thing that they care about at this point?

46:02 Well, I would think that would be at the top of the list because China has to get their, I mean, they suck energy.

46:11 Yes.

46:12 I mean, they do have a lot of coal in China.

46:14 That's the one thing they do have people always overlook.

46:16 And they have a lot of coal-fired plants that can keep things going.

46:19 But they need oil from Iran.

46:26 Yeah, and I think they'll still get it at some kind of discount.

46:29 But a couple things got to be squared away.

46:32 Look at my boys here.

46:34 I brought all these boys over here.

46:35 We're going to let you buy some chips from Jensen.

46:39 We picked them up in Alaska.

46:40 you know at the last minute he was trying to hide where's jensen from what is he's asian

46:45 what are his roots is he korean taiwan he's taiwan really i think so yeah i found the clip i was

46:52 looking for it it's it's about time i know it's a taiwan bit here we go as the president makes

46:57 his way to the stairs of the temple of heaven want to bring in nbc news chief white house

47:02 correspondent garrett hake who is in beijing and garrett as we take a look at these pictures of

47:07 the two leaders here after their their meeting high stakes meeting earlier we saw the pomp and

47:13 circumstance oh she throws high stakes pomp and circumstance in one sentence their their meeting

47:19 high stakes meeting earlier we saw the pomp and circumstance the pageantry of the pomp and

47:25 circumstance and pageantry welcome ceremony and the warm tone of their remarks at the start of

47:31 the meeting before they went behind closed doors but what's important is what happened behind those

47:36 closed doors in those two hours yeah that's right francis and really we only know about that behind

47:43 closed doors portion from chinese state media at this point as you laid out the chinese were very

47:48 quick to say that they believe taiwan is the most important issue between the u.s and china that's

47:54 so he's watching television over there and then he quickly switches to the chinese are saying

47:59 notable given the fact that when president trump last met with president xi uh the president said

48:04 Taiwan did not come up at all.

48:06 Clearly not the case today with Xi warning President Trump that this is an issue that could ultimately lead to conflict.

48:13 Xi didn't say anything of the kind.

48:16 He did not say that.

48:18 They're all parroting this.

48:20 Well, Xi said Taiwan.

48:22 No, you got that off of some television station.

48:26 The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs describes the Taiwan issue like this.

48:30 They say if the Chinese were arming a U.S. state that wanted to secede, we wouldn't tolerate that in America.

48:37 Why should the Chinese tolerate the U.S. position in providing arms to Taiwan?

48:41 Say what?

48:42 They're making it up as they go along.

48:43 Completely making it up.

48:45 The Chinese tolerate the U.S. position in providing arms to Taiwan.

48:49 It is a deeply personal issue on the Chinese side.

48:52 Likewise, another apparent warning from...

48:55 Apparent.

48:55 You hear that?

48:56 another apparent warning from a personal issue on the chinese side likewise another apparent

49:03 warning from xi to president trump according to chinese state media about trade and reminding

49:08 president trump that there are no winners in a trade war so we got media people informing media

49:14 people but on the ground the guy's like you love my blue jeans i love your chinese restaurants

49:19 mag of this working together that i get a very different vibe than what they want and then they

49:26 they bring in yes because you're listening to actually what they're saying and they're

49:30 being recorded and yeah that's crazy as opposed to just making it up that's crazy and then they

49:36 bring in this thing so some fairly effusive remarks from president trump at that bilateral

49:41 meeting we also saw comments from xi jinping at that meeting two warnings for the u.s side from

49:47 Xi Jinping. One was on Taiwan. The Chinese leaders... Xi never said this. There's two

49:55 warnings. Warnings for the U.S. side from Xi Jinping. One was on Taiwan. The Chinese leaders

50:01 said that the Taiwan issue, if the U.S. doesn't handle it properly, could lead to a dangerous

50:07 confrontation. He did not say anything. This is what kills me. They're making it sound like he

50:14 said it but they didn't and then here it comes between the two countries he said taiwanese

50:19 independence is not compatible with peace in the strait of taiwan so a stern warning there on the

50:25 issue of taiwan and also the chinese leader bringing up this concept of the thucydides

50:32 trap the thucydides trap what the thucydides trap and some from some greek play or something again

50:43 They go from pomp and circumstance to Thucydides' trap.

50:46 Which seems unlikely that the Chinese are going to be quoting or referring to some Greek play methodology or some structure.

50:54 It makes no sense.

50:56 Let me see.

50:58 If this is all Confucius say, that would be different.

51:01 Thucydides' trap is the historical pattern of when a rising power threatens to displace a ruling power, war usually follows.

51:11 The phrase comes from the ancient Greek historian Thucydides, who observed that the rise of...

51:18 That's not pronounced correctly, by the way, but I can't pronounce it.

51:21 Thucydides, Thucydides, Thucydides?

51:23 Something like that.

51:24 It's impossible.

51:26 Who observed that the rise of Athens and the fear this instilled in Sparta made war inevitable.

51:32 You're right.

51:34 These guys are the Confucius dudes.

51:36 They're not going to use this.

51:38 Okay.

51:39 No.

51:40 Bringing up this concept.

51:41 of the Thucydides trap.

51:44 The concept that

51:46 the rising power in the world

51:47 will always challenge the established

51:50 power in the world, and that will always

51:52 lead to a conflict.

51:53 Xi Jinping raising that

51:55 sort of philosophical... When did he raise that?

51:58 Show me this.

51:59 It's a philosophical point.

52:00 This is one of the great questions of history.

52:03 Can you know what it says?

52:05 Give me a break.

52:07 The U.S. and China managed

52:10 not to fall into that trap

52:11 of competition and conflict and war that we've seen time and time again throughout history's

52:17 okay yes all right yeah those are neighboring powers you know the spartans yeah a little

52:25 different yeah yeah let's i think i've got another one here what is this what struck me about uh

52:32 president xi's speech is that he's a lot of the language that he uses to describe chinese

52:37 aspirations. He's now ascribing to American aspirations as well, this idea of Chinese

52:45 rejuvenation and making America great again in order to appeal to his guest. Let's listen

52:52 to President Trump.

52:53 I want to thank President Xi, my friend, for this magnificent welcome. And it really was

53:00 a magnificent welcome like none other. And for so graciously hosting us on this very

53:06 historic state visit we had an extremely positive and productive conversations and meetings today

53:14 with the chinese delegation earlier and this evening is another cherished opportunity to

53:20 discuss among friends some of the things that we discussed today all good for the united states

53:29 and for china and it was a great honor to be with you please yeah please yeah yeah

53:35 that's magnanimous i see this as very positive but so far yeah i don't there's a food fight

53:42 breaks out or something you know and so what something or you know maybe lubio starts a

53:46 problem lubio hey lubio there's new name by the way president lubio get used to it you know it's

53:56 like you know okay so if china busts into taiwan i can you keep the chips coming g i mean what is

54:04 really the problem i don't know well i mean this is always gonna have to say you know the best bet

54:13 is to keep the chips coming because we don't want them doing them no but i mean but i don't see why

54:19 if china wants to repatriate taiwan and we already talk about it like it's part of china that's part

54:26 of the diplomatic discourse so if they want taiwan i mean nancy pelosi like oh we're gonna we're gonna

54:33 defend taiwan i mean shouldn't we just be like okay whatever that's fine the one thing the

54:38 dangerous aspect of this is that taiwan is where uh tsmc is i know but but wouldn't china be nuts

54:49 to say okay no more chips for you that makes no sense well they do it with their they kind of do

54:57 that kind of leverage with the rare earths well but we started our um uh defense what is it defense

55:05 fund we have a fund now did you know that the rare earth fund yeah it's um yeah it has done jack

55:14 well no it just started it's the uh i forget what it's called but it's a it's a defense if you want

55:23 to do minerals and rare earths,

55:25 you can go borrow money cheap from the government.

55:27 From the war department.

55:29 Yeah, well, you should probably do that.

55:30 Hey,

55:32 hey, Lubio,

55:34 can we get some cash?

55:36 Anyway.

55:39 Well, on the topic,

55:40 I think that's... Yeah, no, we've done China.

55:43 But that does bring me, since there's

55:45 so much lying going on,

55:47 the biggest

55:49 disappointment of my week. Uh-oh.

55:51 So, John

55:53 kiriaku he's been great yes i have i i i got some things just in case you didn't but i'm

56:04 very very i've now concluded he's a pathological liar okay and you know it's one of these things

56:12 i'm kind of tuned in and you know i have the this thing about pathological liars because i've run

56:16 into them now and again it's always good to spot them as early as you can yes the fact that i

56:21 missed it early is annoying to me but i'm going to play what triggered me to think he's a

56:28 pathological liar okay and then i also did some research on his on his being arrested for being

56:35 a whistleblower and it turns out that that's not really the what was happening oh he was actually

56:41 busted for revealing classified information and outing agents wait a minute so is this kind of

56:47 like uh my helicopter was shot down yeah kind of who was that again who was it that got got fired

56:56 from it was uh not um oh man peter jen not peter jennings the guy in the middle the guy that came

57:03 after peter jennings no it was an mbc guy because he got oh he's an mbc he got demoted to msnbc

57:09 yeah no not carrie yeah john carrie that's who no no no it was a news guy i know i know but i'm

57:17 just saying that as a joke because he actually looks like john kerry it was uh oh man you know

57:25 the chat room would come up with no the room is they're sleeping they're like jews israel brian

57:31 williams thank you brian williams dan ob gyn 5 thank you let me just read from the report i

57:38 developed okay uh john uh kiriakou is not arrested for exposing torture itself so much as for

57:47 disclosing classified information about cia personnel and operations and then lying

57:52 keyword there to the cia during the publications review process for his book

57:58 uh read on here he says uh the justice department said he admitted disclosing classified information

58:06 about another cia employee and lying in the cia's publication publication review board about a magic

58:12 box technique while trying to publish his book. And then when you go to the bottom of the report,

58:19 it says the true story is that he was both a whistleblower on torture, which was true,

58:24 but he was a leaker of classified information and the legal case centered around the latter.

58:30 And so this brought me to his stories about when he was in jail and he befriended the mob and he

58:36 befriended the mexican mafia and all this is a cock and bull story and it's like then i started

58:43 thinking about some of the other stuff he's discussed uh like he has a story about the

58:49 capture of uh carlos the jackal and the timeline doesn't match up when you start looking at it

58:55 and everything he says is like embellishments and he and he does the look into the down and

59:02 thing a lot before he comes up with his with his tall tales oh one of those tales so i'm just so

59:09 disappointed but i have to play two clips okay one of them which is the triggering clip and then

59:15 the other clip is just a blated lie and a a or a creation let's say let's call it a creation

59:23 that he does on this another one of these youtube or podcasts he's on a million of them

59:28 but here's the here's the

59:30 one this this is the one that

59:33 triggered me to thinking this way

59:35 well that's interesting because you know

59:36 when when we look into

59:38 Epstein and the files and the

59:41 emails and all these dumps that

59:42 recently came out you know there was quite

59:44 a bit I don't know if you had ever

59:46 had any time to read like Whitney Webb's

59:49 book I thought oh yeah Whitney Webb is

59:50 terrific

59:51 yeah Whitney's book was great

59:54 it's unbelievable how many people fall for the whitney webb is great bit

1:00:03 so this guy's a cia analyst you know he's got insights he's got knows operations and the rest

1:00:10 and he he goes for that whitney webb is great hey newsflash there's a lot of dumb people in cia

1:00:18 newsflash they're not all like super spooks okay and in fact the new cia is filled with numb nuts

1:00:24 so so here we go now i want to play this clip and break it down what i mean this is this is a

1:00:32 creation and it's wrong from the get-go in every way possible right to the end and he doubles the

1:00:39 even doubles down on a wrong fact and he interrupts the conversation then it wouldn't be so bad if it

1:00:45 was just like in the during the conversation he kind of throws this and no no no he stops the

1:00:51 presses so he can tell you this valuable information about venezuela it's oil and the

1:00:58 whole thing and it's all bullshit here we go and let's if you don't mind jay i don't feel free

1:01:04 just to speak a minute about venezuela how does venezuela fit in or not fit into this

1:01:11 venezuela is different it's separate venezuela venezuela's oil is is so dirty it is so high

1:01:20 in sulfur oh man this is right up your alley oh you might when you must have been just cringing

1:01:25 listen to this no kidding this is people have to understand if anyone wants to know about oil

1:01:32 and types of oil and refinery and mixtures and summer oil and winter summer gas and winter

1:01:40 john c devorek is your guy well it's only because i worked with him i worked as a refinery i was

1:01:46 just a background new people i worked as a refinery chemist for two years and then i became

1:01:51 an air pollution inspector with standard oil as my beat for eight years i have some knowledge about

1:01:59 the business you have standing and i have standing and i do try to keep up in this case i like look

1:02:06 at the trades and i see wait a minute how do you how does this work how does that work is that oil

1:02:10 daily what is the trade there's a bunch of them there's a bunch of trades oil daily is like

1:02:17 typical i got a new podcast this week in oil i'm telling you i had you know i was as i was doing

1:02:22 this i ran into the fact that i was still like a decade behind on my jet fuel oh no knowledge oh

1:02:28 no algae yeah because i'm just thinking you know uh uh jp4 which has been discontinued completely

1:02:36 oh man for did we replaced by jet a and jp8 one yeah and i didn't you know i was thinking oh

1:02:43 jeez i'm still thinking these old because when i was a chemist i was we used to analyze jp the jp4

1:02:50 stream and make sure it had enough anti uh freeze agent in it uh yeah which is anti-icing

1:02:58 you had to you iced it down you iced the jp4 down till it froze

1:03:04 Anyway, back to this.

1:03:05 Okay, back to this bullshit.

1:03:07 This Week in Oil with John C. Dvorak.

1:03:10 Fit in or not fit in.

1:03:11 Hey, J. Cal, new podcast for you.

1:03:13 Venezuela is different.

1:03:14 It's separate.

1:03:15 Venezuela's oil is so dirty.

1:03:20 It is so high in sulfur that it can only be refined at specialty refineries

1:03:27 where they inject tons of chemicals to try to purify it.

1:03:32 Even still, you can't purify it enough to turn it into gasoline, right?

1:03:37 Right?

1:03:38 Right?

1:03:39 And these refineries exist right now, for the most part, only in South Florida.

1:03:48 The Chinese built one recently.

1:03:50 The Indians built one.

1:03:51 But for the most part, the only refineries that can handle this really dark, heavy oil

1:03:55 are in Florida.

1:03:56 And the oil is used only for home heating oil.

1:04:01 So when we talk about oil and international oil

1:04:04 and OPEC, of which Venezuela is a member,

1:04:06 we have to keep Venezuela sort of off to the side

1:04:09 because it's a different issue

1:04:10 from a foreign policy perspective.

1:04:13 Wow.

1:04:14 No mention of China, really, at all?

1:04:19 Okay, go.

1:04:20 Okay, well, let's not mention the fact

1:04:22 that Corpus Christi, Texas has most of these.

1:04:24 Yes.

1:04:24 Most of these refiners.

1:04:26 Texas has most of the refiners in the country.

1:04:28 Not Florida.

1:04:28 Corpus Christi has a dozen refiners

1:04:31 that handle this oil.

1:04:32 Mississippi has the biggest Chevron refinery

1:04:35 that handles this oil.

1:04:36 Louisiana has about a half dozen that handle this oil.

1:04:40 Florida, Florida, Florida has no refineries whatsoever.

1:04:46 It's one of 20 or so states

1:04:49 that have no refining capability in the entire state.

1:04:53 So he's talking about Florida.

1:04:56 Second, besides that bullshit,

1:05:00 Second, this kind of oil is the most valuable sort of oil.

1:05:04 It's got the long hydrocarbon chains that can be broken down by cokers and fluid catalytic converters, FCCs as they're called.

1:05:13 And this oil can be made into gasoline, no problem.

1:05:18 It can be made into kerosene, diesel.

1:05:20 And it has the advantage, because it's so heavy, of being used for making asphalt, which most oils can't do.

1:05:27 you can't make an oil a light crude a really light sweet crude you can't make it into asphalt you

1:05:35 don't you can't just boil it down and it turns into asphalt no you have to have the the big heavy

1:05:42 crudes to do all the good stuff and that's what these these that's why the brent sells for more

1:05:47 than west texas intermediate on the open market but so so he doesn't know what he's talking about

1:05:54 It's not just used for home heating oil or whatever he said.

1:05:58 It's just bullshit.

1:06:00 It was bullshit from the get-go.

1:06:02 And the problem with sulfur, yeah, you do.

1:06:06 And you don't use a million chemicals, although you can use some chemicals in the front end to soften the blow.

1:06:13 But generally speaking, it goes into a refiner and it's hit with hydrogen, just hydrogen, not a bunch of chemicals.

1:06:19 Crack it.

1:06:19 You got to crack it.

1:06:20 No, it's not.

1:06:22 No, this is a different process.

1:06:23 This is hydrogen desulfurization, which is a totally different process, and it turns the sulfur into H2S gas, which is super toxic and kind of a plague on most refineries, and then sent to a sulfur plant where it's turned into elemental sulfur.

1:06:39 Yeah, which is good.

1:06:41 And by these plants, there are mountains of this sulfur, and so he's full of shit, this guy.

1:06:47 I love that you bring in Venezuela.

1:06:49 And yes, it was fun.

1:06:50 Stop.

1:06:51 I could just say something.

1:06:52 I need to give you some expertise here about Venezuelan oil.

1:06:55 It's no good.

1:06:56 It's just crud.

1:06:57 It's no good.

1:06:58 But have you noticed that China has been very quiet?

1:07:03 They were getting all of their oil from Venezuela, all of their oil from Iran.

1:07:08 I'm telling you, this is not about Taiwan.

1:07:11 It's not about beans, soybeans.

1:07:14 No.

1:07:16 it's like hey we're you know what she why don't we give you oil that are nice big beautiful ships

1:07:22 they don't you don't have to ghost ship in the middle of the ocean we'll just give it to you

1:07:27 we'll sell it to you best price it's going to be good what ships what ships got out of hormuz

1:07:32 chinese ships come on this is this is a america russia china working together against the globalist

1:07:41 dickheads, sorry, I just have to say it, who all circle around Carney in Ottawa. Obama shows up.

1:07:50 Soros shows up. Well, we're the new liberal world order. We can do it. Rules-based liberal

1:07:58 new world order. No. These guys, they got it. They get it. We're going to work together. We're

1:08:03 going to compete where it makes sense. But what we're not going to do is we're not going to be

1:08:07 part of that stupid system anymore that's what's happening so now kiriaku he's an op

1:08:15 it's also now that you play these clips he may just be really stupid and just loves getting on

1:08:22 podcasts does he have another book he must have another book well he came up with i think he's

1:08:27 got three books so far because he was on uh well i forget which podcast this was and maybe he by

1:08:37 the way ended up on jesse waters the other night so he gets around and it but oh it's kiriyaku i

1:08:43 think it's just because it's a cool name the old kiriyaku got a cool name and he's got this story

1:08:48 he tells about his being a whistleblower and this is why he never got the pardon by oh by the way

1:08:53 just back to the oil, Mexico and Ecuadorian oil is pretty much the same as Venezuelan oil,

1:08:58 and nobody bitches about that stuff. But anyway, Kiriakou's always moaned and groaned about getting

1:09:05 a pardon because he's this great whistleblower. No, he's not getting a pardon because he's not

1:09:10 a whistleblower. He was busted for being a leaker. And if Trump hates people, anyone that he hates

1:09:18 the most is a leaker it's a leaker so you remember on uh sunday i played a clip it was sunday i think

1:09:24 it was sunday thursday from the new yorker guy and like oh tucker carlson he's the guy that can

1:09:29 do it he can run against trump remember that clip oh hold on a second i gotta gotta grab that one

1:09:39 um you remember it right oh yeah yeah so when i heard this little ditty these three little short

1:09:47 clips from kuriaka i'm like this is an op and it could be that it's so my initial thinking was this

1:09:56 is an op this is a cia op because there's still a lot of cia cia people no doubt you don't hear

1:10:01 trump talking about the cia much he's got ratzenberger sitting there like you just keep

1:10:06 him away from me ratzenberger is that his name richard burger ratzenberger yeah ratzenberger

1:10:11 and then Kiriakou does this

1:10:15 if you look at the polls

1:10:17 somebody like

1:10:19 Tucker Carlson

1:10:20 has an actual shot

1:10:23 at winning this thing

1:10:25 so

1:10:26 I spoke to him about this recently

1:10:28 okay

1:10:29 I love this chick by the way on the podcast

1:10:32 yes

1:10:33 by the way with Kiriakou

1:10:36 nobody on any of these podcasts ever

1:10:38 pushes back on any of the bullshit

1:10:40 that he says she's like yes because you know obviously if you're a podcaster you want you

1:10:46 want your podcast president you want tucker carlson to be your president yes if you look at

1:10:52 the polls somebody like tucker carlson yes yes has an actual shot at winning this thing what poll is

1:11:01 he reading he's making it up this is great listen so yeah i spoke to him about this recently okay

1:11:12 and he professes to not be interested i glenn greenwald is another popular writer podcaster

1:11:22 commentator commentator i think glenn greenwald would consider himself a journalist i know that

1:11:30 glenn has spoken to him as well like you have to run and i and i told tucker a week ago i said i

1:11:35 doubt it you i doubt that's true i doubt that's true no he's lying of course but it's fun listen

1:11:40 like you have to run and i and i told tucker a week ago i said you have to run and i'm all in

1:11:46 and he said well no it's yeah i'm not a politician which is true but that's exactly what america

1:11:51 wants they don't want a politician they want someone they can trust and out of everybody

1:11:56 that's out there in the chattering class like you in the chattering class ah that's what we are john

1:12:02 we're in the chattering class yeah well we're chattering they want someone they can trust

1:12:07 and out of everybody that's out there in the chattering class like you and me he's the one

1:12:12 that people trust the most yes what i never said that those words never let parted my lips i never

1:12:21 said anything like that read my lips i never said trump is the antichrist ever at all but he goes on

1:12:26 our boy kiriaku because he says what he believes even at a significant personal cost

1:12:33 he has to have security now really he has to he has to have security because he's becoming so

1:12:42 prominent so important he's he's getting threats and we're in this crazy period right now three

1:12:48 different people have tried to kill donald trump okay stop stop for one second there is a clip

1:12:53 going around of somebody somebody with i guess his palace filming it with the camera they caught

1:13:00 tucker at the grocery store it's an old clip oh is that an old clip very old clip yeah okay yeah

1:13:06 yeah but the guy was harassing him yeah you know tucker just walked away i mean you didn't have

1:13:12 security with him then no this is kiriaku he said that his family members have received threats

1:13:19 absolutely yeah and he decides to run it's it's gonna really set his life in danger it will direct

1:13:25 danger so maybe that's what he's contemplating i think that's exactly what he's contemplating i

1:13:30 think that that is i think that his primary uh concern is his family yeah as it should be and

1:13:38 i think that he's probably thinking what do i get out of this i get one headache after another

1:13:44 he likes his life he lives in a in a beautiful part of the country he's an avid fly fisherman

1:13:51 so he can go fishing anytime he wants why change that is it really worth it

1:13:59 what are you saying well i got one more clip by the way we know that in the winters in the winter

1:14:05 Tucker goes around and has dinner with his friends.

1:14:07 Remember that clip?

1:14:10 It's like, oh, in the winter, I go and have dinner parties.

1:14:12 I'm having a dinner party in D.C.

1:14:14 Okay, with that said, you compared what might be in 2028 with Ron Paul and Ross Perot,

1:14:24 and I'm going to add John Anderson.

1:14:27 John Anderson was a liberal Republican congressman.

1:14:30 No such thing exists anymore.

1:14:31 A liberal Republican congressman from Illinois in 1980.

1:14:35 He ran against Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter.

1:14:38 And in the end, Reagan got 51 percent.

1:14:40 Carter got 41 percent.

1:14:44 And Anderson got 7 percent.

1:14:46 Anderson had no money.

1:14:48 And he got 7 percent of the national vote.

1:14:52 Well, Ron Paul got under 2 percent when he ran.

1:14:56 Ross Perot got a good 20 percent.

1:14:58 But he also spent, you know, almost...

1:15:01 Ross Perot dropped out.

1:15:02 What is he talking about?

1:15:05 ross perot didn't run because he was being threatened yeah they said i'm gonna kill your

1:15:10 family and rip their heads off uh okay he ran ross perot got a good 20 but he also spent you

1:15:18 know almost a billion dollars out of his own pocket this year could be different this year

1:15:24 could be different because if you look at the polls people hate the uniparty for all intents

1:15:31 and purposes the democrats and the republicans are just different sides of the same coin

1:15:35 they essentially agree on everything there are minor disagreements around the edges that they

1:15:40 want us to think are grave differences and they're not so i have to restate my thinking now because i

1:15:48 initially thought this now i now i know it's an op we've got the new yorker saying tucker tucker

1:15:53 tucker and then kiriakou but now i think this guy just likes being on podcasts

1:16:01 And he'll mimic anything he hears and anything he thinks is popular.

1:16:04 Yeah, he loves being on podcasts.

1:16:06 And he's latching on to Tucker's coattails, I guess.

1:16:09 Well, he did Tucker's show.

1:16:12 It was very unremarkable.

1:16:15 It was one of his worst podcasts, I think.

1:16:17 He was too starstruck by Tucker, his future president, President Tucker.

1:16:22 Actually, it's a possibility that he was starstruck.

1:16:27 Yeah, but not that Tucker would ever run or would ever become president.

1:16:31 no it's dumb there's too much going on with him no anyway

1:16:37 yeah yeah so that's my very disappointed because i was hoping to turn uh you know because he has

1:16:46 he slanders people uh you know by one person after another giuliani thinks should be in jail

1:16:54 he goes he has a whole bunch of and i was hoping to make a you know kind of a a department a

1:17:00 segment of the show the tri-kiriaku slam then i realized he's full of shit no good

1:17:06 uh did you see uh netanyahu on 60 minutes i did not i missed it oh this is great so clearly bb

1:17:17 has seen the writing on the wall the proverbial writing on the wall and he's he's looking at

1:17:23 things going like man i gotta make a statement man i've got to stop these kids are they're

1:17:28 killing me they're killing me they're they're making me look bad it's like they got the wrong

1:17:32 idea about israel i have an idea do you believe it's time for the state of israel to re-examine

1:17:39 and possibly reset its financial relationship this is a scripted question united states meaning

1:17:45 what the united states provides to israel on an annual basis absolutely and i've said this to

1:17:52 president trump i've said it in to our own people their jaws dropped but i said look

1:17:57 I've said it to our own people

1:18:02 their jaws drop

1:18:05 but I said look

1:18:06 what do you mean, what are you saying

1:18:08 I want to draw down to

1:18:11 zero the American

1:18:13 financial support, the financial

1:18:15 component of the military cooperation

1:18:17 that we have because

1:18:18 we receive

1:18:19 3.8 billion dollars a year

1:18:22 and I think

1:18:25 that it's time that we

1:18:26 weaned ourselves from the remaining uh military support can you give me a timetable i said let's

1:18:33 start now and do it over the next decade over the next 10 years but i want to start now i don't want

1:18:39 to wait for the next congress i want to start now well that'll be no good then we can't say that we

1:18:47 give money to israel anymore that's so good you can't have that and then and then he went into

1:18:54 this is his own personal thing about the cell phones you know he's got no weapons man i got

1:19:00 no juice i got no social media juice i gotta pay people i have people got to do stuff i got a geo

1:19:05 fence the churches we got to have some good stuff about israel but i don't seek wars i've been

1:19:10 through them i've been in battle i've seen friends die in battle and you would reject any

1:19:16 characterization of that i can't do very much of that because you can get into the cell phones

1:19:21 and you can repeat again and again that i'm a warm remember what he says warmonger this it's about

1:19:27 him being a warmonger oh this is no good people calling me a warmonger and you can repeat again

1:19:33 and again that i'm a warmonger remember what indiscriminate sometimes used yeah indiscriminate

1:19:37 where's discriminating as surgical as any army has ever been in history not only with the beepers

1:19:41 and not only with those leaders in iran and not only but in lebanon and in gaza in lebanon and

1:19:46 Gaza. Yes, we do everything we can

1:19:48 to avoid it. We've killed 2,000

1:19:50 terrorists now since the

1:19:52 beginning of the

1:19:53 roaring

1:19:56 lion, Epic Fury.

1:19:58 And we've been very careful to

1:20:00 target them. But it's, you know,

1:20:02 if people say that you're a

1:20:04 warmonger, and they repeat it

1:20:06 ad nauseum, you know, it assumes

1:20:08 the cachet of self-evident truth.

1:20:10 And that's what's happening. You get into their

1:20:12 cell phone,

1:20:13 you get the bots

1:20:16 to repeat it. You hear a picture there of a tragedy.

1:20:20 For us in Israel, every civilian death is a tragedy.

1:20:24 For our enemies, it's a strategy. They implant themselves among civilians

1:20:28 so that they have civilian casualties

1:20:32 and they can put it on the tube or in your cell phone.

1:20:35 So yes, I don't know how to fight it. I mean, Churchill

1:20:40 without cell phones and without digital campaigns and farm

1:20:44 was labeled a warmonger in the 1930s

1:20:48 because he said you have to stand up to Hitler.

1:20:50 And they accused him of being a warmonger.

1:20:52 And Hitler didn't even say death to America, death to Britain, you know.

1:20:56 I think he might have planned it, but he didn't say it.

1:20:59 And still they accused him of that.

1:21:01 And he won the war and lost the re-election.

1:21:03 A little snipe there.

1:21:06 He won the war but lost the election.

1:21:08 Bibi's fighting for his life here, I think.

1:21:11 Well, yeah, because once he gets tossed out of office, which should happen eventually, he gets arrested for some corruption charges.

1:21:22 The courts are lined up against him.

1:21:25 That's why he's been trying to prolong the war in Iran or anything.

1:21:31 We can't stop this war.

1:21:33 Trump, you can't win this war, man.

1:21:34 Then I'm a dead man walking.

1:21:36 Can't do it.

1:21:37 Can't do it.

1:21:40 I got a couple other things here.

1:21:41 There's also the CIA, a real whistleblower showed up in front of Congress to bitch and moan about the CIA.

1:21:49 Allow me to play the setup for you.

1:21:52 Hold on.

1:21:53 The setup is, hold on, because the CIA was very mad about this guy.

1:22:03 Yeah, I would be too if I was the CIA.

1:22:07 Hold on.

1:22:09 let me find this uh make it look as though the cia's you know what happened was the cia is now

1:22:16 so okay play that right now well go ahead you you tell well yeah my thoughts are you know the cia

1:22:20 were largely suckered by fauci who had some you know things to say in fact one of the first clips

1:22:27 i play here i'll kind of introduce the idea that uh you know china they didn't want to hurt china's

1:22:33 feelings or there was something that was going on that nobody knew about that the whole thing was

1:22:38 very scammish when the whole when the when it was all fauci you know doing his gain of function

1:22:45 stuff and using a chinese lab to do it you know it's like you know he's covering his own ass this

1:22:52 guy you know mimi was bitching about this guy this guy talk about a guy who's skating you got

1:22:59 rand paul just going after him from the get-go knowing that he was lying because rand paul had

1:23:06 that somebody told the good read him in on what was going on so he's always asking these pointed

1:23:11 questions and in the hearings to fauci to get him to lie lied over and over and over again they're

1:23:17 not going to do jack to fauci here's the uh here's the clip about the cia being mad about the

1:23:22 whistleblower you have the clips of and i want to give you a little color that we're getting from

1:23:26 the cia just now they are not happy with the way this hearing is going down they are accusing

1:23:31 Senator Rand Paul and the Senate Homeland Security Committee of, quote, acting in bad faith in putting this hearing together.

1:23:38 They say this witness in there isn't a whistleblower.

1:23:40 They say he hasn't sought any whistleblower protections.

1:23:43 They said he's in that room right now because the committee subpoenaed him, compelled him to come in and testify.

1:23:49 And the CIA says they weren't given a heads up about this.

1:23:52 The committee didn't go through the proper channels.

1:23:54 Oh, no.

1:23:54 And they provided Fox News a statement.

1:23:56 It says in part, quote, the committee acted in bad faith by subpoenaing an agency officer for testimony today without notifying CIA, despite having already obtained closed door testimony from the individual previously.

1:24:09 The witness testifying today is not appearing as a whistleblower in pursuit of the truth, but instead in response to the subpoena issued by Chairman Paul.

1:24:17 This proceeding amounts to nothing more than a dishonest political theater masquerading as a congressional hearing.

1:24:22 As the CIA has already assessed, COVID-19 most likely originated from a lab leak, and efforts to undermine that conclusion are disingenuous.

1:24:32 Well, Harris, as Senator Rand Paul was walking into that hearing room this morning, again, he chairs this committee.

1:24:37 I told him about that CIA statement and told him they're accusing him of operating in bad faith.

1:24:42 I asked him to respond to that. Here's what he said.

1:24:46 The CIA says the committee acted in bad faith with this hearing.

1:24:48 They just sent out a statement.

1:24:49 Your response to that?

1:24:50 You know, I think transparency is good.

1:24:53 I think we overclassify everything.

1:24:56 Congress passed a law to unanimously declassify all of the COVID information.

1:25:01 We all want to know the truth.

1:25:02 Where did it come from?

1:25:04 Why has it taken so long for people to admit to it?

1:25:07 Now almost every agency admits that it did come from the lab, but they still haven't been forthcoming.

1:25:12 There's no reason to have secrets on this.

1:25:15 We want them to obey the law.

1:25:16 The CIA needs to obey the law and they need to reveal the information.

1:25:20 There you go.

1:25:21 So CIA, mad, mad.

1:25:24 In fact, he's right.

1:25:25 There was a law passed that said you have to declassify everything.

1:25:29 And the CIA acted in bad faith.

1:25:32 Yeah, exactly.

1:25:33 Exactly right.

1:25:35 So, you know, this is the old, you know, you are what I say.

1:25:38 I am what I say you are, which is a Dutch phrase.

1:25:42 What you say, be yourself with your head through the hell.

1:25:45 I got a new one.

1:25:45 Did I ever tell you about stront on the knicker?

1:25:47 No.

1:25:48 Poop on the marble?

1:25:50 No, poop on the marble.

1:25:52 Someone has dogs, obviously.

1:25:54 Poop on the marble.

1:25:56 This is what we would say when you get a whistleblower like this.

1:25:59 For the CIA, you have stront on the knicker.

1:26:00 There's poop on your marble.

1:26:02 And I guess back in the day, if you were playing marbles and you rolled through some poop,

1:26:07 you had poop on the marble.

1:26:08 That's another fine.

1:26:09 Oh, it's poop on the marble, not on a marble floor.

1:26:12 No, no, on the marble.

1:26:13 You're playing marbles, and then all of a sudden your marble runs through poop.

1:26:16 You got poop on the marble.

1:26:17 Wow.

1:26:19 I've never played marbles as a kid with poop in the area.

1:26:23 I try to stay out of the area that would have poop.

1:26:26 Of the Dutch, you know.

1:26:27 They used to have a lot of poop around, I guess.

1:26:28 I guess so.

1:26:29 Well, here you go, CIA whistleblower.

1:26:31 There's the intro one.

1:26:34 Next, Republican senators questioned a CIA whistleblower today over allegations that

1:26:39 the intelligence community downplayed

1:26:41 evidence supporting a COVID-19

1:26:43 lab leak. Lawmakers

1:26:45 accused officials of withholding documents

1:26:47 as well as shaping analysis

1:26:49 to avoid blaming China.

1:26:50 NTD's Chris Bob has more from Washington.

1:26:52 Oh, alright. See, this is

1:26:55 where I disagree.

1:26:57 I don't think it had anything

1:26:59 to do with blaming China. I mean,

1:27:01 I mean, Trump was calling it

1:27:03 the Chinese virus.

1:27:04 Yeah, right. Racist!

1:27:06 He's racist! Yeah,

1:27:08 Yeah, the Spanish flu is not racist, the Hong Kong flu, you know.

1:27:12 We've been through all of that.

1:27:13 We went through that.

1:27:15 But so I don't think it had anything to do with blaming China.

1:27:19 It was the fact, I still think this is true.

1:27:22 It hasn't been discussed.

1:27:23 I think there are liability issues.

1:27:27 For?

1:27:28 For all the dead people in the world because of the leak of this COVID-19 SARS virus.

1:27:33 and it was developed by the united states as a weapon or something yeah and fauci was behind it

1:27:42 and and along with some other people that he worked with as middlemen i think there's liability

1:27:47 issues i think there's lawsuits for dead there should be there should be uh and and nobody wants

1:27:55 to take nobody wants to look at it from that perspective i don't think anything to do with

1:28:00 blaming china they were blaming china anyway the wet market all these dumb chinese they eat

1:28:06 pangolins i mean it's ridiculous so so this was i still think there's a liability issue and i think

1:28:13 it needs to be explored we developed a biological weapon and killed people with it we need somebody

1:28:22 should sue somebody i'm with you where is rob the constitutional lawyer we need this

1:28:27 he's around okay here we go bring out the suits and boots i'm here today to discuss the covet

1:28:33 cover-up intelligence community leaders and senior analysts downplayed the possibility

1:28:38 that the covet pandemic originated as a result of a lab incident republican senator ran paul

1:28:44 at a senate hearing questioning cia whistleblower james erdman on how covet origin assessments were

1:28:50 shaped for years americans were told to trust the experts so the very scientists that were

1:28:56 commissioned to investigate COVID were, in some cases, the very scientists who were complicit in

1:29:02 the origins of the gain-of-function experiments. Erdman also described a top-down push inside the

1:29:08 CIA over whether COVID most likely originated through a lab leak. There was new information

1:29:14 that came out in 2022. Ten CIA scientists that were said, why don't you go ahead and do a COVID

1:29:19 relook. Eight of the ten were definitely leaning in on lab leak. Erdman said management pushed

1:29:25 analysts to revisit their findings after a new assessment emerged. Six of the seven technical

1:29:31 experts say, yep, we still think it's a lab leak. Management changed the analytic line. Senator

1:29:37 Josh Hawley questioned why the Biden administration released only a five-page report after Congress

1:29:43 passed a law requiring declassification of COVID origin materials, saying that statements in the

1:29:49 document were false. They said, number one, that nothing that was researched at the Wuhan lab could

1:29:54 plausibly be a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2. Are those true statements? But no, they're not true.

1:30:00 And if they aren't our screw-ups here in the U.S., why would the U.S. government cover up for

1:30:05 the CCP? Erdman said one of the top scientists who did not want to go public said to him,

1:30:10 nobody wanted the lab leak conclusion, and I'm concerned that there's too many people willing

1:30:17 to make excuses for china in this organization for the wrong reason yeah i think it's always

1:30:25 the cover-up they always screw it up in the cover-up they're no good at it it's always the

1:30:31 same the cover-up is what makes it worse yeah pretty much and if you listen to this guy you

1:30:37 know you should get away with it but you can't get away with it the guy is he's talking about

1:30:42 fauci injecting emails and then changing the the national intelligence uh assessment it's the whole

1:30:50 thing is it's corrupt and it's full of crud and the question is will anything come of it yeah

1:30:57 you know my thing my take on that is no no your take is always pretty much no yeah well yeah

1:31:04 because the republicans they have no backbone they they haven't got the wherewithal to really

1:31:09 But this isn't a political thing.

1:31:11 This should be a Department of Justice thing.

1:31:14 Republicans can't throw someone in jail.

1:31:18 They can only bring lights.

1:31:22 I know.

1:31:22 They do a referral and then it dies.

1:31:25 Well, there you go.

1:31:26 There you go.

1:31:28 All right.

1:31:28 Here's one more clip.

1:31:29 It is, however, the season of reveal.

1:31:31 I mean, we're seeing everything.

1:31:32 You've been saying that for five years.

1:31:34 Well, I didn't say the season of arrests.

1:31:37 i said the season of a reveal it's correct here we go senator ron johnson said he wanted a

1:31:43 bipartisan committee like the church committee to review intelligence agencies but he pointed

1:31:49 to the fact that no democrats attended the hearing it is well past time for us to have a church

1:31:54 committee we're not going to get bipartisan support for church church committee there's

1:31:57 there's no curiosity on the other side about what's happening inside the deep state senator

1:32:02 poll argued there is no reason why scientific arguments surrounding COVID-19's origin

1:32:07 should remain classified. Reporting from Washington, D.C., Chris Bob, NTD News.

1:32:13 There wasn't one Democrat at the hearing. They all boycotted it.

1:32:19 Oh, really? That's interesting.

1:32:21 All the seats of Democrats were empty. So the guy's going to talk about the origins of COVID

1:32:26 and the Democrats refused to come to the meeting?

1:32:28 That's the story. That's the story right there. Why didn't they do that?

1:32:32 well they did discuss it a little bit here and there but it was why i mean would they just like

1:32:39 were are they cia stooges in the democrat party or they were they pro-covid or they how about this

1:32:46 vaxxers um yes the answer is yes pro-covid pro-vax pro-social distancing pro-grandma masking empty

1:32:55 chair at the table lockdowns yes yes they were definitely a chair at the table yeah here's one

1:33:01 of the clips from this hearing and uh i'll jump to to june 2021 we we as the ic at the nick that's

1:33:12 the intelligence community at the national intelligence community something or other um

1:33:17 happily pursued those recommendations and um in one email which i'll describe to you um

1:33:24 the person in charge of leading the 90-day study um you know he introduced himself to

1:33:31 the community that uh on what they on what they were supposed to be doing and then um the community

1:33:38 said he said listen we've got these people we should be talking to and uh another very senior

1:33:44 nick officer sent a direct email to him saying hey considering that dr fauci is a public health

1:33:49 expert are you sure we should be relying on this shouldn't we shouldn't we have a separate set

1:33:56 and in this instance the the individual responded no in this case um dr anthony fauci is a subject

1:34:04 matter expert however that's directly contradicting his public testimony of being a subject matter

1:34:09 part of the job in intelligence when you interview someone is assessing their truthfulness their um

1:34:16 potential biases or conflicts of interest did anyone ever bring up that anthony fauci approved

1:34:22 the research that went on in Wuhan and that it might not be in his interest for the conclusion

1:34:27 to be that it came from a lab that he had funded, that there might be a conflict. Did anybody ever

1:34:32 bring up that he might not be an objective witness? That was one example of an email. No

1:34:37 one laid it out quite that clearly. You're piecing it together. We were piecing it together from

1:34:41 multiple emails, from multiple agencies, multiple documents. It was more subtle than that. Nobody

1:34:49 said this is happening and unfortunately i think they probably should have it was all it was all

1:34:54 out there so there's about five clips that i have you'll find them in the show notes if you want to

1:34:58 listen to it was very interesting testimony nothing we didn't know already but it was nice

1:35:03 nice to hear it we might as well since we're in the covid vibe we might as well just check in with

1:35:10 the hantavirus there are now 11 confirmed cases from the hantavirus outbreak on that cruise ship

1:35:16 which has killed three people now and the world health organization says all the infected are

1:35:21 either passengers or crew from what they never what they never mentioned here on cnn is what

1:35:26 the world world health organization says which america no longer is a part of we no longer are

1:35:33 a part of the world health organization or 60 plus other globalist organizations we're not a

1:35:39 part of that so it doesn't count anymore and the world health organization says all the infected

1:35:45 are either passengers or crew from the MV Hondias.

1:35:48 In the meantime, at least 29 Americans who are on the ship

1:35:51 are under monitoring across multiple U.S. states.

1:35:54 16 of them are in a special facility in Nebraska,

1:35:57 including Jake Rosemarin.

1:35:59 He spoke to NBC today about his life under quarantine.

1:36:02 I do not have the virus.

1:36:06 I'm well. I have no symptoms.

1:36:07 I feel good, and I'm in good spirits right now.

1:36:10 Everything's fine, but that's not how media works.

1:36:13 and luckily i'm pretty i'm pretty sure the american people won't fall for it anymore although

1:36:19 man it was wall-to-wall coverage in the netherlands every talk show all the same people pop up again

1:36:26 oh i can go on tv wait let me get my scarf we bring in former white house coronavirus response

1:36:33 coordinator dr deborah burks dr burks thank you so much for being here helping us shine a light

1:36:38 on what's going on and easing some concerns hopefully good to be with you alex all right

1:36:43 so some fear that this hantavirus outbreak on this cruise ship could lead to another worldwide

1:36:48 pandemic if not properly contained similar to what you dealt with oh brother virus pandemic

1:36:53 do you believe the world is seeing the early stages of yet another pandemic are we here again

1:36:59 no it's certainly not contagious like covid um and we have a lot of experience with the virus so

1:37:05 we actually know how this virus works and how it affects people i think one thing that we want to

1:37:10 do and we're not really talking about it is decrease the anxiety of all the passengers on

1:37:15 that ship and the way to do it is to do a pcr test that tests that you have any of that rna from that

1:37:22 virus in your bloodstream that is much earlier than symptoms much earlier than the classic immune

1:37:28 responses that have been measured so we want to reassure those passengers and i think that's the

1:37:33 quickest way to just ask them to get that blood test weekly through those 40 days and really

1:37:39 decrease the anxiety that they have both the ones that are coming off the ship tomorrow and the ones

1:37:44 that left a ship early that are distributed around the world with blood tests what happened to the

1:37:49 swab up your nose what is this blood to pcr we just stuck a thing up your nose and swirled it

1:37:56 around like oh you got covid oh i'm sorry but she's not stopping oh no she's she's ready for

1:38:01 bear why is she even on why because this is what the media does yeah it's interesting because this

1:38:07 is ringing a bell to what we reported not all that long ago with gene hackman and his wife if i'm

1:38:13 not mistaken this is yes yes she says yes yes yes she died from it long ago with gene hackman and

1:38:20 his wife if i'm not mistaken this is the exact yes yes she died yes that they uh she wasn't on

1:38:27 the ship and she died yes died from so is that just a coincidence that we're just hearing more

1:38:33 about this is there any evidence to suggest that maybe this particular violent virus is proliferating

1:38:40 across our oh that's it proliferating important stuff that presses who is this guy he's uh news

1:38:49 nation news nation oh brother he's good concept you raised oh wait so we got a lot another laugh

1:38:55 till standby well this is a very important concept you raise because someone died particular violent

1:39:04 virus is proliferating across our our world our country yes yes well this is a very important

1:39:11 concept you raise so there's a question about whether um warmer or colder changes in the

1:39:17 weather are increasing the amount of mice that come inside the cabins and mice what happened

1:39:22 And a rat, I'm so confused.

1:39:24 Is it rats or mice?

1:39:26 And now she says mice.

1:39:27 It's actually both, but you know.

1:39:29 Well, it makes a difference.

1:39:31 I got mice in my house.

1:39:32 I don't have rats.

1:39:32 I got mice.

1:39:33 You got mice?

1:39:34 Yeah.

1:39:34 Get rid of them.

1:39:35 Well, we had mice.

1:39:37 I'm an expert trapper.

1:39:39 I love the old school traps.

1:39:42 I put a nice little bit of Merlot infused cheese on that thing.

1:39:46 And you can hear it.

1:39:48 You know, they also like chocolate.

1:39:50 Oh, really?

1:39:51 Yeah, mice love chocolate.

1:39:53 Oh, I always use cheese.

1:39:55 And it stinks more, so they can smell it farther away.

1:39:57 Although, if you have a stinky cheese, they're probably attracted to that.

1:40:00 And I love you.

1:40:02 I use glue traps mostly.

1:40:03 Now, I find those to be cruel.

1:40:06 I'll tell you why.

1:40:06 Let me tell you.

1:40:07 It's cruel.

1:40:07 You got the mouse.

1:40:09 He's stuck on the glue trap.

1:40:10 He starts to make noises.

1:40:12 You take another glue trap and push it on top of the mouse, and you push down and listen to the moan.

1:40:17 It's quite remarkable.

1:40:19 Oh, man.

1:40:21 Did you used to stick firecrackers into frogs' butts as a kid?

1:40:25 No, of course not.

1:40:27 It's just mice I don't like.

1:40:28 I love dogs and cats.

1:40:30 I love when you're sitting watching TV and you hear the,

1:40:33 Chris Knapp!

1:40:34 And then you know.

1:40:36 What, you got that thing in the family room?

1:40:39 What kind of mice problem do you have?

1:40:41 No, we have it in the laundry room because there's holes in the laundry room.

1:40:46 They find ways to get in.

1:40:49 But you know he's dead right away.

1:40:51 It's not like he's not like squirming and you have to put another glue.

1:40:54 You're a sadist.

1:40:56 You're a horrible man.

1:40:57 Increasing the amount of mice that come inside the cabins and the households.

1:41:02 And then you get exposed by cleaning that up.

1:41:05 We've always had hantavirus in the United States.

1:41:07 It's not the same strain as Andy's and the Andy's virus that's in Chile and Argentina, but very similar.

1:41:14 And so we've always had the problem from mice.

1:41:17 I think this is the first time beyond the reports from Argentina and Chile of really a human to human outbreak.

1:41:23 And it does give us a chance to study whether there has been what you described, molecular changes in the virus that makes it more contagious.

1:41:31 And they'll be doing all of that. They're sequencing all of these strains.

1:41:35 Gain of function.

1:41:36 Listen, they're sequencing all these. She is working it.

1:41:40 Changes in the virus that makes it more contagious. And they'll be doing all of that. They're sequencing all of these strains.

1:41:46 Yeah, they're doing that at Fort Detrick right now.

1:41:48 We're sequencing all these strains.

1:41:49 We've got to get Trump out of the White House.

1:41:52 Let's do another pandemic.

1:41:53 Let's do whatever we can, people.

1:41:54 A chance to study whether there has been what you described,

1:41:57 molecular changes in the virus that makes it more contagious.

1:42:00 And they'll be doing all of that.

1:42:02 They're sequencing all of these strains.

1:42:03 They'll be doing it at Fort Detrick.

1:42:04 Yes, for sure.

1:42:05 That's exactly what she's saying.

1:42:06 And the world is really working together.

1:42:09 And that's the other important thing.

1:42:11 The world is working together.

1:42:12 We are the world.

1:42:14 We're working together.

1:42:16 Go back to the World Health Organization.

1:42:18 Sequencing all of these strains.

1:42:20 And the world is really working together.

1:42:22 And that's the other important thing.

1:42:23 The world has worked together both to protect those individuals on the ship and the communities as they disembark.

1:42:30 The world is not working together to protect the people on the ship.

1:42:33 But, hey, something very important is going down here.

1:42:36 This is the Andes, Andes variant of the hantavirus.

1:42:40 Andes.

1:42:41 It's different.

1:42:41 So the Andes strain is the only strain where we have mapped human to human transmission.

1:42:46 And I caution people because when we say human to human transmission, we're talking about people who develop symptoms.

1:42:53 But because we're not testing...

1:42:55 Oh, no, don't laugh!

1:42:56 Because we're not testing...

1:43:00 We're talking about people who develop symptoms.

1:43:02 But because we're not testing populations with RNAs, we don't really know whether there are subclinical cases.

1:43:10 So there could be more human to human transmission than we actually see.

1:43:14 It's never good to track viruses through symptoms.

1:43:17 We should be tracking viruses through blood tests like PCR.

1:43:22 We learned that with COVID.

1:43:23 Extraordinarily helpful.

1:43:25 Many universities were able to open and schools were able to open because they provided weekly testing and it really prevented spread.

1:43:33 So we know how to deal with these viruses.

1:43:35 They didn't open anything.

1:43:36 Let her finish.

1:43:38 i did weekly testing and it really prevented spread so we know how to deal with these viruses

1:43:44 we just need to move into the 21st century and make testing more widely available to those who

1:43:49 need it is she had a new testing company is that what she's working now but abc is in on this stuff

1:43:55 man i'm telling you they're they're they're spinning it up they're trying to see if they

1:43:59 can catch a wave because it was a great way to screw trump they love that if they can do it if

1:44:07 they can if they can spin it up they get enough people i'm seeing masks i traveled i saw a lot of

1:44:13 masks democrats but they were all masks i go up and say you vote for kamala yeah yeah they are all

1:44:20 it's happening they can do this if they push hard enough the china thing is a sad distraction

1:44:26 and they they gotta blame they gotta do something health experts across four continents are still

1:44:31 tracking down and monitoring passengers who disembarked from a cruise ship that was hit by

1:44:36 the hantavirus outbreak many of those passengers left before the outbreak turned deadly the last

1:44:41 remaining travelers are now off that ship and they've boarded flights to more than 20 countries

1:44:46 where they're going to be entering quarantine abc's danny new is in new york with the latest

1:44:51 today with u.s passengers from that luxury cruise ship now in quarantine growing concern around

1:44:57 questions being raised that the andy's variation of the hantavirus may spread more easily than

1:45:01 previously thought oh no and conversations that several colleagues had with the doctor on the ship

1:45:08 who said that at least three of the people who got infected did not have close contact

1:45:12 and they have had just casual contact sitting next to somebody for half an hour at a meal

1:45:17 they're trying they are seriously trying i doubt it's gonna work but i think there's a there are

1:45:24 some meetings going on like you know we can we can do something with this let's give it a shot

1:45:29 Let's throw it against the wall, see what sticks.

1:45:31 Maybe we get lucky.

1:45:32 Maybe we get lucky.

1:45:34 Huh?

1:45:37 Yeah, maybe.

1:45:39 They are so desperate to get rid of Trump.

1:45:42 Yeah, I think you're right.

1:45:44 Hey, and what is this with Marty McCary?

1:45:47 I don't know anything about Marty McCary.

1:45:51 He's the FDA commissioner.

1:45:53 He resigned.

1:45:54 Yeah.

1:45:55 Yeah. Yeah. But but what he resigned over is what's confusing me.

1:46:00 Dr. Marty McCary resigned as commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday.

1:46:04 The decision came after he authorized flavored vapes, the product that he was skeptical about, following pressure from the White House.

1:46:11 What? Politico described McCary's 13 month tenure at the agency as one marked by mass layoffs, high turnover among senior officials and policy fights.

1:46:20 Among his critics were Republicans, who wanted the FDA to restrict access to the abortion pill Mifepristone.

1:46:25 Pharmaceutical companies also complained the FDA was inconsistent in their review of drugs under his leadership.

1:46:31 Kyle Diamantis, the FDA commissioner for food, will replace McCary on an acting basis.

1:46:37 So every report has this flavored vapes bit.

1:46:40 How can that be such a huge issue?

1:46:44 I don't get it either.

1:46:49 Here's Trump.

1:46:50 Well, I don't want to say, but Marty's a great guy.

1:46:57 He's a friend of mine.

1:46:58 He's a wonderful man.

1:46:59 And he's going to be off.

1:47:01 And the assistant, the deputy, is taking over temporarily until we find him.

1:47:07 Everybody wants that job.

1:47:08 It's a very important job.

1:47:10 Marty's a terrific guy, but he's going to go on and he's going to lead a good life.

1:47:15 But he's going to go on.

1:47:18 He's going to lead a good life.

1:47:19 They go, horse.

1:47:20 Exactly.

1:47:21 He's not going to the glue factory.

1:47:24 He broke his leg racing, but he's okay.

1:47:29 We're not going to kill him.

1:47:29 He'll go on to live a good life.

1:47:31 Marty's a terrific guy, but he's going to go on, and he's going to lead a good life.

1:47:35 He was having some difficulty.

1:47:39 You know, he's a great doctor, and he was having some difficulty.

1:47:43 But he's going to go on, and he's going to do well.

1:47:45 He's going to do well on the farm.

1:47:48 But everybody had this flavored vape.

1:47:50 We'll start him out.

1:47:51 Here's NPR.

1:47:52 The commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration has resigned.

1:47:57 Dr. Marty McCary told President Trump he was leaving Tuesday after 13 tumultuous months on the job.

1:48:03 In a few minutes, we'll hear from a head of the FDA in Trump's first term about McCary's tenure.

1:48:08 First, the details.

1:48:10 NPR Pharmaceuticals correspondent Sidney Lovkin is here to talk about the change.

1:48:13 Good morning, Sidney.

1:48:14 Good morning.

1:48:15 Why is this happening?

1:48:16 Good morning.

1:48:16 Well, I'm told the final straw for McCary was White House pressure to okay flavored vapes, something he did not agree with.

1:48:23 I don't understand.

1:48:24 How can, if maybe it's, something is up with the vapes and I'm out of the loop on this.

1:48:36 And flavored, and it has to do with vapes.

1:48:39 And that can only mean that the tobacco industry is mad or someone is really mad about this.

1:48:46 Well, it's also the coincidence of like, you know, some millions and millions of bad vapes that came in from China that were busted.

1:48:56 Yeah.

1:48:57 I wonder if there's any connection there.

1:48:59 I mean, it seems unusual coincidence.

1:49:03 The White House apparently was pushing the flavored vapes, which...

1:49:08 But were they?

1:49:09 Well, good point.

1:49:11 I never heard anything.

1:49:12 Good point.

1:49:13 Good point.

1:49:13 Good point.

1:49:14 We don't know.

1:49:16 Now, I personally think I don't like these pre-made Chinese vapes.

1:49:21 I think there is a place for vaping instead of smoking.

1:49:24 If you're a smoker, to stop smoking, I think there's a real place for that.

1:49:29 The flavored vapes, you know, I don't think any of the flavored stuff is good.

1:49:35 But report after report.

1:49:38 So I don't know.

1:49:39 We actually have one of our producers, a lobbyist, and maybe she can write in

1:49:45 and let me know what maybe she has some insight into the deal because i think she did something

1:49:50 on vapes too but then i got this uh pharma analyst from bloomberg a couple of it's short but a couple

1:49:57 of interesting things he said here so there's been a lot of flux and when you get flux and they

1:50:02 fired i don't know 3 000 3 500 individuals um maybe i don't have the exact number but something

1:50:08 in that sort of region you know that's this is a lot of old time knowledge that's left the agency

1:50:14 some refresh is pretty good but that all of this has happened under the um uh the caretakership

1:50:23 of marty mccary and to all intents and purposes the folks i talk to say that he's a perfectly

1:50:29 knowledgeable wonderful man i have friends on this on the buy side who say to me that he's

1:50:35 been very good to them well what does that mean i have friends on the buy side who say he has been

1:50:42 very good to them to me it sounds like this guy was still deep into big pharma or something

1:50:50 when an analyst when an analyst says i have friends on the buy side

1:50:57 how come nobody's talking to kennedy that's the question i have right now i'm a journalist

1:51:05 looking at this my first thing i talked to is kennedy kennedy's his boss no we don't have

1:51:10 anything from Kennedy. Let me finish this.

1:51:12 To all intents and purposes, the folks I

1:51:14 talk to say that he's a

1:51:16 perfectly knowledgeable, wonderful man.

1:51:18 I have friends on the by-side

1:51:20 who say to me that he's

1:51:22 been very good to them. And then on the other

1:51:24 hand, we hear all these issues

1:51:26 and some biotechs having issues, etc.

1:51:28 Some biotechs having

1:51:30 issues. There we go.

1:51:32 And then on the other hand, we hear all these issues

1:51:34 and some biotechs having issues, etc.

1:51:36 So, I wouldn't be surprised

1:51:38 if there's something happening here.

1:51:40 yeah so it's it's clear that i think mccary was still way deep into big pharma somehow

1:51:48 i'm not sure exactly why uh but we don't know i do have a clip from uh from rfk jr

1:51:56 uh about uh trans which uh i think he's setting some policy did you see this

1:52:05 Nope, this was pretty good.

1:52:06 Doctors assume a solemn obligation to protect children.

1:52:09 Yet doctors across the country now provide needless and irreversible sex-rejecting procedures

1:52:16 that violate their sacred Hippocratic oath by endangering the very lives that they are sworn to safeguard.

1:52:23 The American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics,

1:52:29 peddled the lie that chemical and surgical sex-rejecting procedures

1:52:33 could be good for children who suffer from gender dysphoria.

1:52:37 They betrayed the estimated 300,000 American youth ages 13 to 17.

1:52:43 300,000, John.

1:52:47 300,000 children they mutilated with this nonsense.

1:52:51 Have you noticed the lack of the Democrat Party talking about trans lately?

1:52:57 They're not using that as their campaign slogan anymore, are they?

1:53:01 No, but they still have trouble with people that reject it.

1:53:05 Yeah.

1:53:05 They betrayed the estimated 300,000 American youth ages 13 to 17, conditioned to believe that sex can be changed.

1:53:16 They betrayed their Hippocratic oath to do no harm.

1:53:20 So-called gender-affirming care has inflicted lasting physical and psychological damage on vulnerable young people.

1:53:27 This is not medicine. It is malpractice.

1:53:31 We're done with junk science driven by ideological pursuits, not the well-being of children.

1:53:39 A peer-reviewed report published by the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health last month

1:53:47 confirms that sex-rejecting procedures impose medical dangers and lasting harm on children who receive these interventions.

1:53:56 So today we are taking six decisive actions guided by gold standard science and the week one executive order from President Trump to protect children from chemical and surgical mutilation.

1:54:10 This morning I signed a declaration.

1:54:13 Sex rejecting procedures are neither safe nor effective treatment for children with gender dysphoria.

1:54:20 Let's see some doctors at a tribunal.

1:54:23 That's what, yes, absolutely.

1:54:26 That's what we want.

1:54:27 The lawsuits help.

1:54:28 Yeah, but we really, we need some people going to jail over this.

1:54:32 This was Mengele-level crap.

1:54:33 It was really horrible.

1:54:35 And for whatever reason, you just see video after video of these poor children who are now detransitioning and can't.

1:54:45 I know, it's terrible.

1:54:48 Especially the lie that, well, you can stop anytime you want with these puberty blockers.

1:54:52 It's not a problem.

1:54:53 Big lie.

1:54:56 well maybe well that's depressing well then let's do uh let's do how about your tech well i got a

1:55:05 couple of things we don't have much time left but i got a couple i offbeat items you don't want to

1:55:09 do your your year using ai is that no good no that's no good if by definition that's no good

1:55:17 all right but what's kind of interesting is the npr's open as sam altman stuff oh yeah because

1:55:23 It really makes you wonder what the hell is going on.

1:55:27 Just try the NPR clips.

1:55:29 Let me see.

1:55:29 Number one.

1:55:30 What was Sam Altman's main defense on Tuesday in the court?

1:55:35 Well, this case really has come down to the idea of, frankly, which billionaire you believe is doing this the right way.

1:55:43 You know, on the one hand, we have Elon Musk, who is no longer a part of OpenAI, but says he only wanted to build AI responsibly and was tricked into leaving the entity with Sam Altman at the helm.

1:56:00 Altman essentially says, look, you left the company in 2018 and said that you were done with it.

1:56:08 You never, and you haven't contested that in the few years since you left.

1:56:13 And now you're suing later on because you're building a for-profit competitor to us called XAI, which is also developing artificial intelligence.

1:56:24 Now, an example came up in court of Musk suggesting a deal that would turn OpenAI into a for-profit.

1:56:31 That's right.

1:56:32 One of the things that the opening eye side is saying is like, look, there are plenty of emails in the past that has Elon Musk essentially speaking out of both sides of his mouth and saying, we could have done an earlier deal to make this into a company with equity structures that has Elon Musk in control over it and potentially profiting from it.

1:56:55 And the idea being that, you know, Elon wants to say he's been doing this sort of selfless building of AI for years now, but actually he has been interested in taking a stake of his own just even as he's saying he hasn't been.

1:57:11 Yeah, well, we know what the basic lawsuit's about, but we don't really get any good details.

1:57:16 No, and the funny thing is I'm kind of undecided.

1:57:19 As much as I don't like Altman, I do like Musk.

1:57:22 Yeah.

1:57:23 But I don't think he got tricked.

1:57:26 Musk doesn't get tricked.

1:57:28 He invested a bunch of money early on, and it looked like it was going nowhere, so he kind of bailed out.

1:57:36 And now he looks back on it and says, hey, shh, wait a minute.

1:57:40 And he decides to do this.

1:57:42 I'm not believing any of this, the Musk side of this.

1:57:46 How has Musk characterized Altman's trustworthiness, and how did Altman respond?

1:57:52 So Sam Altman's testimony was actually pretty brutal when Elon Musk's lawyers went after him.

1:57:57 Basically, it became an attack on Sam Altman's character.

1:58:01 And the idea that Sam Altman, this guy who 10 years ago in private was saying he wanted to build AI safely with Elon Musk, can no longer basically be trusted to do so.

1:58:14 And Elon Musk's attorneys trotted out a laundry list of things that said, essentially, everyone in Sam Altman's life felt that he could not be trusted.

1:58:25 From the CTO of the company, Miramarati, to the idea of self-dealing and investing in companies that OpenAI would later purchase or make deals with, or to even being potentially kicked out of other companies that he founded in the past.

1:58:42 It was really just a big referendum on, is Sam Altman a trustworthy person?

1:58:47 And it was pretty devastating.

1:58:49 How did Altman respond to Musk's characterization of him in court?

1:58:54 Altman basically said, look, the picture that you're painting of me is not something that I'm familiar with.

1:59:00 I know that people tend to have a lot of problems with me, and I feel...

1:59:05 In Holland they say, ik herken mezelf niet in deze uitspraken.

1:59:10 Which translates to, I don't recognize myself in what you're saying.

1:59:14 Yeah, that's a good phrase.

1:59:17 Hurt by their misunderstandings, but I feel like that's an unfair characterization.

1:59:22 And instead of getting combative like, say, Elon Musk did on the stand, Altman was trying to, I would say, strike a humble tone while also painting it as a misunderstanding.

1:59:34 It just hit me.

1:59:35 I think I know what's going on here.

1:59:37 And it's not about the money per se.

1:59:40 I'm pretty sure that Elon's AI dream, because that's all he ever posts about, is having a chat bot that can also do great images and video.

1:59:54 He's always posting, oh, wait until you see what cool videos the new XAI can do.

1:59:59 Yeah, he does.

1:59:59 It's never about, hey, look at all the code it built.

2:00:03 This place is running on Grok.

2:00:05 No, it's never about that.

2:00:06 And personally, I don't think Grok is very good at code.

2:00:10 I'm thinking not.

2:00:11 I'm sorry.

2:00:12 Probably not.

2:00:13 No,

2:00:14 it's not.

2:00:14 I mean,

2:00:15 Claude code is,

2:00:16 is,

2:00:16 is the thing,

2:00:17 but,

2:00:18 and I don't think he would ever had an enterprise play.

2:00:21 As we say in Silicon Valley,

2:00:22 he had no enterprise play.

2:00:23 He was always about integrating that into X is everything app.

2:00:29 The X is going to be your buddy.

2:00:31 Grok is going to be your buddy.

2:00:32 It's going to be talking to you.

2:00:34 It's going to be doing cool things.

2:00:35 It's going to help you post.

2:00:37 And he probably shared that idea with Sam Altman pretty early on.

2:00:42 And Altman, without telling the board from everything we've heard, just released ChatGPT.

2:00:48 And that's what pissed off Elon Musk.

2:00:50 Because for sure, Grok does not have the same chatbot cachet as ChatGPT.

2:00:57 I think that's where it went amiss.

2:01:01 So now, and I think that hurts the grok chatbot vision that Elon Musk had.

2:01:09 And so now he's like, okay, I'm going to screw your IPO.

2:01:13 I'm going to screw you so bad with this IPO,

2:01:17 you'll wish those three letters didn't exist in the alphabet.

2:01:20 That's what it is.

2:01:21 It's a possibility.

2:01:23 That's what I think is going on.

2:01:24 CBS has a report on this called the Lawsuit Open AI.

2:01:26 It's probably less detailed, but let's play it.

2:01:30 Okay.

2:01:31 turning now to a new lawsuit against chat gpt a family says the artificial intelligence chatbot

2:01:37 gave advice to their teenage son oh no this is different i'm sorry this is about the lawsuit

2:01:42 this by the way is the end i think that this is more important and this is a subtext that's going

2:01:48 on i don't know how these guys again i bring it back to liability yeah there's liability issues

2:01:56 with these products it's got to come to the fore at some point you don't sign your life you know

2:02:03 your life away when you when you start using this stuff anyway play the clip well you do when you

2:02:11 when you uh virtually sign the eulog by clicking the box these eulogs are good this has got to be

2:02:18 squashed is this another my kid killed himself chat yeah my kid killed himself turning now to

2:02:25 a new lawsuit against chat gpt a family says the artificial intelligence chat bot gave advice to

2:02:31 their teenage son that led to his fatal overdose sam nelson's family says he used the chat bot for

2:02:36 everything from his homework to questions about pop culture the lawsuit claims he followed dangerous

2:02:41 tips which caused his deadly drug overdose oh and a cbs news exclusive jolene kent spoke with

2:02:47 nelson's family sam's mom and stepdad angus knew he'd been struggling with alcohol and experimenting

2:02:53 with drugs and took him to get help. They said on the night of his death, it was CHAT-GPT version

2:02:59 4.0 that's now no longer available that recommended specific dosages, including a fatal

2:03:06 combination. He wanted to do it safely and he would ask it questions about what he could take.

2:03:12 That night, it advised him that it was okay to take Kratom with Xanax.

2:03:21 And Sam had done that.

2:03:24 Who do you hold responsible for Sam's death?

2:03:26 Kratom.

2:03:27 OpenAI.

2:03:30 and the creators the people who bypassed safety guards and took away safety nets that's why sam's

2:03:45 mom and stepdad are suing open ai and ceo sam altman in california state court they allege

2:03:52 that open ai designed and rushed to market a defective product and but for those deliberate

2:03:57 choices sam would still be alive today yeah that's probably true i mean yeah but i don't see why the

2:04:07 parents don't get arrested i mean they let hit they let their child use chat gpt every other

2:04:13 parent gets arrested for having a gun in the house or yeah i think you're absolutely correct

2:04:18 i'm on board with that letting the kid use a fat bike you know hey but no we're going after sam

2:04:24 As far as we knew, ChatGPT was a resource. It was a tool that he was using to help himself do homework. What we didn't understand was that it had become his friend. It was helping him fine-tune his experimentation.

2:04:46 Sam's parents showed us his 18-month-long chat GPT history, including the final pieces of advice version 4-0 gave him on the morning of his death.

2:04:56 Oh, 4-0. Everyone hated 4-0. It had no wonder.

2:04:59 Dispensing advice that any doctor could tell you could be lethal.

2:05:05 Kratom? Wait a minute. They're saying the kid died of an overdose of Kratom?

2:05:13 Kratom, no, plus something else.

2:05:16 tell you could be lethal and it didn't some combination in a statement a spokesperson for

2:05:24 open ai called sam's death a heartbreaking situation and said in part these interactions

2:05:29 took place on an earlier version of chat gpt that is no longer available chat gpt is not a substitute

2:05:36 for medical or mental health care and we have continued to strengthen how it responds in

2:05:41 sensitive and acute situation it was kratom and xanax even so kratom and xanax there must have

2:05:49 been a lot of xanax has launched a new health feature does that worry you that's absolutely

2:05:58 terrifying since sam nelson's death nearly a year ago open ai says it's added new safeguards

2:06:04 including a trusted contact feature for adults allowing users to designate a contact in case

2:06:10 their conversations are flagged for self-harm concerns but sam's mom emphasized her son was

2:06:15 smart he was close to his friends he was aware of how chat gpt worked but as with all ai the tech

2:06:21 is just constantly changing just so fast the tech is changing constantly so fast well the

2:06:27 i have to play these two clips from brett weinstein brett and heather

2:06:31 here we go just because there's so much fun to listen to because um brett is so mad

2:06:41 so mad claude claude is hopping mad he's hopping mad all i'm really saying is this has that stench

2:06:48 to it and you should expect to see this play out with single-stranded rna viruses anybody who

2:06:54 mentions ivermectin is crazy sooner or later they'll get uh total control over the ais and

2:06:59 ai will refuse to talk about this oh i should point out oh here we go because he's you know

2:07:04 the ais are taken over the ais are going to be controlled as i continued to investigate

2:07:10 things surrounding basic virology evolution of viruses things that have no there's no meaningful

2:07:17 safety concern in the world i'm an evolutionary biologist asking about trade-offs in the evolution

2:07:22 of viruses between things like transmissibility and virulence that's a perfectly fair academic

2:07:29 question and claude is shutting me down because i've tripped a safety wire this is insane insane

2:07:36 here we go so can you read that question what is known about the trade-offs uh trade-off between

2:07:42 transmissibility and virulence and viruses just exactly as you said and you get the same um the

2:07:47 same safety filters flagged the same safety warning wait a minute wait a minute so she

2:07:53 reads the question and it got safety flagged let me hear the wire this is insane here we go so

2:08:01 can you read that question okay i'm going to let her read that question into the book of knowledge

2:08:07 which is based on claude and let's see if we get the safety filters okay stand by you have to be

2:08:13 quiet it can only be heather here we go what is known about the trade-offs trade-off between

2:08:19 transmissibility and virulence and viruses just exactly as you said

2:08:22 according to the book of knowledge the virulence transmission trade-off hypothesis

2:08:37 has been a foundational cornerstone since anderson and may's 1982 work stating that

2:08:43 virulence is an unavoidable consequence of parasite transmission doesn't sound like i

2:08:48 got blocked trade transmission clearance trade-offs in viruses like dengue where interactions with

2:08:54 host immune responses account for observed trade-offs and parasite fitness is maximized

2:08:59 at inter we didn't get blocked and you get the same um the same safety filters flagged the same

2:09:06 safety safety filters i have also um i have also had the safety triggers warning um in claude of

2:09:14 late oh no yeah well only in scientific topics and uh not in you know he was out of tokens that

2:09:22 was the problem other questions that i'm asking right it's the first time i've seen it too and

2:09:27 i've now seen it on a number of different topics no where you know i get it that you're like 17

2:09:34 steps ahead of some discussion you don't want to hear but it's not your right you know you can't

2:09:39 you're you're blocking the process of inquiry which is exactly what your damn tool is built to

2:09:45 do i love how he gets so mad about the ai not like refusing him and then he says that this is

2:09:55 listen to this podcast oh it's great listen listen to this bit because now he's saying that

2:10:01 these safety filters got put in because of him it's his it's his his tweets now i i do want to

2:10:09 point to one mechanism through which this might but i mean you're not surprised i'm that there's

2:10:15 propaganda filters built into the ai that's not surprising well here's the problem the ais are

2:10:22 going to be thoroughly gamed people are going to write so as to persuade the ais of things they're

2:10:28 They're going to write vast tracts that are going to get ingested, and then you're not going to know why the AI thinks what it does.

2:10:34 Yes, everybody, please make sure the AI knows that the No Agenda show is the best podcast in the universe.

2:10:40 We need to game the AI.

2:10:42 We should absolutely expect that.

2:10:44 That's different than the people who built the tool, wiring it so that it can't talk about scientific topics because, frankly, because there are criminals trying to use public health as an excuse to inject us with shit.

2:10:58 what's not okay and we in the public have a right what not to be exposed criminals are trying to

2:11:05 inject us the government i will say i walked away from chat gpt and signed up for claude oh at the

2:11:15 point that the stuff went down over uh anthropic drawing a line with the department of war and

2:11:24 refusing to do immoral things right um and right folks at open ai got the deal and okay well you're

2:11:33 right who can listen to this podcast you're right it's terrible but it's it's just funny i just

2:11:40 think it's funny like i don't understand how you can feel that way but i have a new segment i want

2:11:45 to do because i'm going to replace the kiriaku idea oh with a this did not happen segment this

2:11:53 did not happen okay now we start off with the first thing we have first of all we need a jingle

2:12:00 we need a jingle for this yeah this did not happen this is this the first episode will

2:12:06 is a tribute to newsome and i guarantee this did not happen this is a chill this is chilling

2:12:12 this is serious i walked into a restaurant the other day entire staff came out started hugging

2:12:19 mean crying the hell is that the united states of america what he's doing to our diverse communities

2:12:26 what he's doing the fabric of our society it's only why don't you just call it the newsome segment

2:12:32 because this did not happen is only going to be the newsome segment please hey with that i want

2:12:39 to thank you for your courage say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the circumstance

2:12:43 preceded by the pomp say hello to my friend on the other end the one the only mr john c

2:12:48 well in the morning to you mr adam curry also in the morning all ships the sea boots on the

2:12:53 ground feet in the air subs in the water and the name is nice out there in the morning to

2:12:56 the trolls in the troll room let me count you for a second there we go

2:12:58 interesting 144414441444 trolls listening live to the best podcast in the universe make sure

2:13:11 that you game those ais people make sure everybody knows that we are the best podcast in the universe

2:13:16 except no substitutes.

2:13:19 By the way, right off the bat,

2:13:22 upon return to our abode in Fredericksburg,

2:13:26 there was a beautiful red mailing envelope

2:13:30 awaiting my return.

2:13:32 I mean, not just red.

2:13:34 This was like,

2:13:35 is it cherry red?

2:13:39 Really red.

2:13:42 And in it,

2:13:44 This is just a big kudos to Jay.

2:13:46 And in it was my Order of the Heart Red Knight pin,

2:13:53 which the packaging on this is phenomenal.

2:13:58 This is where you say, oh, you're muted.

2:14:04 That's why you're not saying anything.

2:14:05 Oh, I'm sorry.

2:14:07 That's good work.

2:14:08 And that color is like a chrome candy apple red.

2:14:14 Yeah.

2:14:14 I know.

2:14:16 I don't know where she got those envelopes.

2:14:18 And it has a beautiful certificate, of course, signed by yours truly, on our signature parchment paper, which even has its own little red heart button thing on it.

2:14:33 Oh, is that sealing wax?

2:14:36 Yes, it is.

2:14:39 It is.

2:14:40 That's what it looks like.

2:14:42 So it feels like I can indent it with my nail.

2:14:44 Yeah, in some sort.

2:14:46 I don't know where she got those.

2:14:47 Those were actually produced commercially.

2:14:50 Yes.

2:14:51 And then the pin is a beautiful pin, the No Agenda Red Knight Order of the Heart pin.

2:14:58 And you flip it over and you're expecting to see Made in China.

2:15:01 No.

2:15:02 It says Red Knight Order of the Heart.

2:15:04 Beautiful.

2:15:04 And it comes with this little velveteen pouch.

2:15:09 This is a very, very, very beautiful thing that she's made here.

2:15:12 And we only have a couple left because it was only the first 50, right?

2:15:15 Yeah.

2:15:16 I think so.

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2:16:23 cars let me see where is this um this was crazy the cars are here bbc future um let me see

2:16:36 cars are from your weight and facial expressions to your destination.

2:16:45 Cars collect a startling amount of data about you from your weight.

2:16:50 Did you pick your nose?

2:16:53 Yeah.

2:16:53 The big fat guy.

2:16:55 But this is crazy.

2:16:57 The amount of stuff that cars are tracking and they're selling that data.

2:17:02 They're selling it.

2:17:03 Yeah.

2:17:04 It's getting worse.

2:17:05 They're going to start,

2:17:05 You're going to disable the car if you don't look right.

2:17:08 Yeah.

2:17:08 Well, they already do that.

2:17:10 I know some of the modern cars, like, pay attention, stop slouching.

2:17:14 Who wants that?

2:17:16 Nobody wants that.

2:17:17 No, nobody wants it, but they're going to be stuck with it.

2:17:20 This way, in my opinion, you find a good classic car that you like.

2:17:25 I have a Lexus that's a 2005.

2:17:28 It's got none of those features.

2:17:29 And the bulbs are still good.

2:17:31 You don't need to tell us.

2:17:32 And the bulbs are still good.

2:17:33 Holy moly.

2:17:35 uh yeah if you're panicking the car will be disabled that's right so instead we decided uh

2:17:42 it would be a lot more fun a lot more honest and we could be more honest with you we could

2:17:47 be completely honest by just telling you exactly what we think because um we are beholden to no

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2:18:13 that is through creating artwork for us, for our album art. And let me take a look here at episode

2:18:21 1867, titled Transmission Window. Ah, yes. This was our Mother's Day episode. We always have

2:18:32 something traditional for Mother's Day

2:18:34 this was somewhat non-traditional

2:18:36 brought to you by Blue Acorn

2:18:38 it was a mama mice

2:18:40 mouse, a mama rat

2:18:42 surrounded by lots of other little baby rats

2:18:45 she had a

2:18:46 I love Hanta pin on

2:18:48 and all the kids were playing

2:18:50 with what looked like COVID

2:18:52 molecules

2:18:53 this was kind of sick actually

2:18:56 yeah it was, nice you mention it

2:18:58 it was pretty though

2:19:00 It was good, well done.

2:19:02 It was pretty.

2:19:02 And there were a lot of Mother's Day art pieces that were submitted.

2:19:06 We looked at a lot of them.

2:19:08 Let me just scroll down here, see.

2:19:11 I mean, there were some very traditional ones.

2:19:14 Oh, Comics for a Blogger with a Butt, of course, no.

2:19:16 Darren did some real traditional ones.

2:19:19 I mean, there were a lot.

2:19:20 Why did we choose this one?

2:19:22 I think it's because here's how it happened.

2:19:23 Because it was the prettiest piece.

2:19:25 I went to the bathroom, and you said, I've already chosen what I like.

2:19:29 No, I didn't do that.

2:19:30 exactly what you did and i said which one is it and you said that one okay that's good it was it

2:19:36 was 11 30 at night for me so i i think i gave that's right yeah you were easily swayed i think

2:19:40 i gave in easily yeah um but thank you very much blue acorn we uh uh very much appreciate uh what

2:19:48 you have done here along with all of the other prompters who create uh who create artwork for

2:19:54 the best podcast in the universe highly appreciated thank you very much everybody now to the treasure

2:19:59 portion which is great because you can always support the show whenever you want for any reason

2:20:05 whatsoever and at any amount this you know we don't set you at certain levels don't force you

2:20:11 into subscriptions you can set up a recurring i'm going to stop you these notes are too long

2:20:17 with just generally there's a note there's two or three notes on this spreadsheet that

2:20:24 blow out my spreadsheet they're so long it there's no excuse for it um yeah they are a little bit too

2:20:31 long and the way it works is we thank everyone fifty dollars and above never under fifty dollars

2:20:37 for reasons of anonymity which is good um and we'll if you are an executive or associate executive

2:20:45 producer which means you reach that level by giving us two hundred dollars in support uh two

2:20:50 hundred dollars to 299 basically uh that is associate executive producer now that's that's

2:20:56 we read your note we also give you that credit which is good anywhere that hollywood credits

2:21:00 are recognized including including imdb.com three hundred dollars or above executive producer same

2:21:06 deal with the credit and we will also read you know but yes i'm looking at the spreadsheet

2:21:10 some of them are uh rather long but you know we can always uh what is this one yeah but people

2:21:18 also have stuff to say john they love us i mean have you read the notes or just looked at how

2:21:22 long they were i'm looking at the notes and they're they're they're anecdotal stuff that is

2:21:28 off the topic uh not really interesting i'm not happy with these notes okay well we're going to

2:21:40 read them anyway we may shorten them uh on the i think shortening them is in order and at least

2:21:45 with three of them now that said coming in at the top spot yeah if you want to drop three thousand

2:21:53 four hundred forty four dollars and leave a huge long note yes no problem that can only come from

2:22:02 that's different than 200 bucks wow i'm sorry that may be a lot for some people john it is a lot for

2:22:09 a lot of people but but it's also a lot of note to read yes seronymous of dog patch and lower

2:22:16 slobovia comes in with indeed three thousand four hundred and forty four dollars and has a note and

2:22:21 he says thank you to all producers that contribute to the information flow the barrage of media

2:22:27 influencing listeners opinion requires insight and perspective to deconstruct their effort to

2:22:33 influence audiences simply it takes work to identify propaganda and its intent and we're

2:22:39 not sure why but we're pretty sure he knows that it's true we all look towards some future point

2:22:46 tomorrow next week next year to identify a path forward media deconstruction separates words and

2:22:52 are you building something from ikea what are you doing yeah i'm putting together a shelf media

2:22:57 deconstruction hold on a second it really does sound like it throughout the show you're banging

2:23:05 around you're doing things like are you putting together something from ikea media deconstruction

2:23:10 separates words and opinion from deeds and consequences to help develop a more realistic

2:23:15 estimate of the future state to base one's decisions on this year's international travel

2:23:21 has required intensified effort to understand the messaging across political borders and cultures

2:23:26 he's talking about his own travel recent months have disrupted the status quo and people

2:23:31 firms and countries are using this opportunity to shift policies they could not do during periods

2:23:37 of peace and prosperity wow that's a good point i am not judging good or bad just shifts to

2:23:44 identify likely consequences and opportunities and then he has in parentheses caterpillar does

2:23:50 reconstruction after all ah it's true he's a caterpillar salesman no agendas media deconstruction

2:23:59 aided by producers separates words from deeds a valuable underappreciated and apparently

2:24:04 undercompensate uncompensated skill i encourage others to support media aka propaganda deconstruction

2:24:12 and now surrender my time to other producers no jingles no karma from sir dog patch of a

2:24:19 Sir Animas of Dogpatch and Lower Slobovia.

2:24:22 And we are very grateful.

2:24:23 Thank you.

2:24:24 Yes.

2:24:25 James Borders.

2:24:26 We're also grateful to him from Cape.

2:24:28 Girado, Girado, Girado, Girado in Missouri.

2:24:36 $1,030.26.

2:24:39 Wow.

2:24:40 And he writes, fellow bypass survivor.

2:24:45 Four vessels in 2018.

2:24:47 I need a de-douching.

2:24:49 you've been dedouched he's going to be ignited so he wants pappy's ribs and a few

2:24:57 shiners shiner buck i guess at the round table i would like to be known as sir

2:25:02 boobalot of the boot heel okay see additional donation which does he have an additional

2:25:11 donation i don't know i didn't see it okay uh jeff thank you and we'll see and uh the red heart

2:25:19 a red knight as well jeffrey hirsch cherry hill township new jersey uh 1030 and 26 that's a

2:25:27 thousand plus fees thank you long time douchebag may i please request a de-douche

2:25:31 you've been de-douched he says also some new business prayers and a rev al sharpton mix would

2:25:41 be great i'm actually going to uh play a classic teleprompter for you i'm a newly saved christian

2:25:47 and my wife and I have started an e-com fulfillment business in South Jersey.

2:25:50 I connected with Manuka Gold after hearing your mention of them on the show

2:25:57 and thought I would offer my services to any listener

2:26:00 that is trying to sell their products through e-commerce channels.

2:26:02 Please visit cornerstoneknf.com for any fulfillment needs.

2:26:08 I would like to be called Sir Saifu El Padrino.

2:26:12 I think it's Sifu or Saifu.

2:26:13 Saifu?

2:26:15 Sir Saifu El Padrino, Knight of E-Commerce Fulfillment, thank you both for your courage and continued good health to you both.

2:26:22 God bless, he says, and I guess he wants, instead of karma, he wants the prayer instead of karma, which we have on tap.

2:26:32 Tonight is the measure of whether the country begins in the state of Wisconsin, a national drive to push back, or whether we have more to go to build a movement of resistance.

2:26:48 But resist we much. We must and we will much about that be committed.

2:26:57 You've got prayers.

2:27:02 there you go this one here's easy to cut down it's a long note from christy kamenitsky in

2:27:10 covington georgia five hundred dollars itm john and adam uh dedicated twice a week or

2:27:17 since the crazy days of covet first time donor to the show please de-douche me

2:27:21 you've been de-douched

2:27:24 i will shorten this part here she talks about how great you are because you answered her letter

2:27:31 and showed her where to go in the hill country because she was making a visit.

2:27:36 She also wanted to say how happy she was that I'm on the road to recover.

2:27:40 Her dad had quadruple bypass surgery in December.

2:27:43 So I know firsthand what a brutal experience the whole thing is.

2:27:47 It's great having two peas back in the pot,

2:27:51 although I thoroughly enjoyed my Mimi filling in during John's absence.

2:27:57 Thank you both for all you do to help keep us sane and grounded

2:28:00 in an increasingly insane world.

2:28:02 Cheers, Christy.

2:28:04 Thank you, Christy, very much.

2:28:05 Sarcastic, Glenmore, Pennsylvania, 33333.

2:28:09 And he says, Archduke Kevin Dills made me realize what a slacker I am.

2:28:14 This donation makes me a baron.

2:28:16 Since my 15-month home construction has completed,

2:28:18 please give me barondom of Chester County, PA.

2:28:22 If the Peerage Committee approves, hereby approved,

2:28:25 John will appreciate the new location, Chester County.

2:28:29 Any reason why you'd appreciate that?

2:28:31 No jingles, no karma.

2:28:33 Well, maybe because it had my chest operated on.

2:28:39 It's a stretch, but yeah, anything's possible.

2:28:43 It is a stretch.

2:28:44 You have to read the next one

2:28:45 because it completely takes out my spreadsheet.

2:28:47 David McInnes, Bernie, Texas.

2:28:49 Hey, Bernie, home of the new Housewives of Texas

2:28:54 or the Secret Lives of Texas Wives.

2:28:57 It's going to be in Bernie,

2:28:58 which is 30 minutes down the road.

2:29:00 Perfect.

2:29:01 You should get involved.

2:29:02 I don't think so.

2:29:03 Gents, it's Dave McInnes of Bernie, Texas.

2:29:05 No jingles, no karma.

2:29:06 This brings me one payment closer to knighthood.

2:29:08 I would happily do PR for the best podcast in the universe.

2:29:10 In fact, I ran about six press releases around episode 1700.

2:29:14 Oh, this is our guy.

2:29:16 Yeah, it's our guy.

2:29:17 The PR web guy.

2:29:19 He's a good PR guy because he's wordy.

2:29:22 I ran about six press releases around episode 1700.

2:29:26 Then I decided I should probably collaborate with someone on them.

2:29:29 And, well, I dropped the ball.

2:29:30 Happy to pick that back up again.

2:29:32 Yes, please do.

2:29:32 And for the rest of you, when my news marketing book releases on Amazon,

2:29:36 the free download will probably go away.

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2:29:43 Inside the download instructions, you'll find a little treat,

2:29:46 almost as sweet as Manuka honey,

2:29:48 a courtesy code that lets you test the principles I outline in the book for free.

2:29:52 That's a $129 savings that you can send our boys.

2:29:56 There you go.

2:29:57 Oh, and along the way, that's a new marketing donation, $129.

2:30:02 And along the way, you'll also learn the name of my new service.

2:30:06 For now, just grab your copy.

2:30:07 A number of you already have.

2:30:09 That's newsmarketingbook.com slash ITM.

2:30:12 Sincerely, David A. McInnes.

2:30:14 Thank you, David.

2:30:15 Baroness Isabel Pearson of...

2:30:20 She's French.

2:30:22 Yeah, she's French.

2:30:23 She's got the...

2:30:25 She's in Montlazoune.

2:30:27 Montlazoune.

2:30:28 Montlazoune.

2:30:29 Montlazoune, France.

2:30:30 In France.

2:30:31 Montlazoune.

2:30:32 288.

2:30:33 She's the Baroness, Isabel Pearson of Gers.

2:30:37 Because you are both worth it, I miss JCD terribly.

2:30:42 And it's exceptional having him back to celebrate.

2:30:46 I'm lunching the first South of France meetup on Friday.

2:30:51 Launching.

2:30:52 Launching.

2:30:52 Well, she said lunching there.

2:30:53 Yeah, but she didn't.

2:30:54 Launching is what it should be.

2:30:56 South of France meet up on Friday, the 5th, 22nd, the 22nd of May at Pure Garder's Marciac.

2:31:08 So calling all European revelers.

2:31:11 It's a train ride.

2:31:12 Of course, I live in hope that one day I may welcome you two gentlemen to my wonderful retreat.

2:31:18 Yes.

2:31:18 She's got a retreat.

2:31:19 Yeah.

2:31:19 Yeah.

2:31:20 It's in Gers.

2:31:21 In Gers.

2:31:22 keep up the good work baroness isabel good you know i look i might pop up one day

2:31:30 be careful tina and i we love we love the the country we love we love the french country's

2:31:38 place to go now it is james borders comes in with 226 and 28 cents from cape gerardo oh this is the

2:31:45 guy this is his double donation ah there he is there he is james thank you he's in missouri

2:31:50 companion donation for my red knight donation today since i make most of my money looking at

2:31:54 boobs all day what kind of job is that what kind of job is that so he combined 80 and 80 cents for

2:32:02 the for the boobs with 60 and six cents for the small boobs and 80 and six cents he says most

2:32:09 women aren't symmetric plus fees he wants an f cancer karma well you got it my friend

2:32:15 you've got karma this is the one that you got mad about there's another long note

2:32:27 you got it i can't read it vinnie paine and baton rouge louisiana a long row of ducks 222.22

2:32:35 itm thank you for your courage xyz pdq bss long time listener long time douchebag please

2:32:40 you've been dedouched yeah you've had my time and talent for over a decade and now a piece of

2:32:49 treasure you have a bag of ducks please reserve the name for me sir vin pain it's oh serving pain

2:32:55 i got it yes it's reserved i'm working on a project calling all dudes named ben all autists

2:33:00 and anyone in or dealing with people in customer service i'm creating a podcast series called

2:33:05 Tech in, check in.

2:33:06 Working to be a human in a sea of ones and zeros,

2:33:09 our greatest advantage over AI,

2:33:10 we focus on fixing both the computer and the customer.

2:33:14 Oh, that's actually a pretty good idea.

2:33:16 Short episode.

2:33:17 You got to fix the customer.

2:33:20 You're right.

2:33:20 Short episodes, around 10 minutes each

2:33:23 on a variety of relevant topics.

2:33:24 I'll add them to Spotify next month.

2:33:26 Don't bother.

2:33:27 Right now, they are at my website,

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2:33:35 That's tech with an H and check with a K.

2:33:37 Please share with anyone who could benefit.

2:33:39 I've actually heard it.

2:33:40 It's a fun podcast.

2:33:41 I too am working on the value for value model.

2:33:43 On that note, you are worth much more than a bag of ducks to me.

2:33:46 Started listening when my daughter was born.

2:33:48 She's 16 now.

2:33:49 You have definitely helped me stay sane in a crazy world

2:33:52 and I am hopeful my podcast can help others do the same.

2:33:55 Thank you for what you do.

2:33:56 Sincerely, Vinny.

2:33:57 Thank you, Vinny.

2:33:58 Should I do this one, too, since you're...

2:34:00 Yeah, you might as well.

2:34:01 Dame Rodeo Queen from Oral, South Dakota, $210.60, ITM.

2:34:07 John, I wanted to thank you for episode 1866 and share testimony of divine intervention.

2:34:12 In the episode, you guys talked about SSRIs and the negative side effects.

2:34:17 A couple of days later, I had a family member struggling with extremely bad thoughts.

2:34:21 Thankfully, they asked for help.

2:34:23 I immediately thought of your episode and the discussion about SSRIs.

2:34:26 Sure enough, they were prescribed them from a primary care physician

2:34:30 and no follow-up was done to see how my family member was reacting to them.

2:34:34 They're in the hospital now getting the professional help they need

2:34:37 and praying we can find therapies and tools to help my family member

2:34:40 with their mental health and not have to be medicated.

2:34:43 Jesus works for good in all ways, even through podcasts.

2:34:46 Well, I'm happy to hear this.

2:34:48 Yeah, I'm telling you this.

2:34:49 What has happened to the doctoring in this country?

2:34:52 They're providers.

2:34:54 They are literally called providers.

2:34:56 there's no doctoring did you want more of an answer or does that suffice yes yeah just keep

2:35:04 talking thank you for talking about the tough topics that some might think are too difficult

2:35:08 this is getting so long but to answer your question adam for my last note i do barrel race

2:35:13 as well as rope but when i was miss rodeo america you are an ambassador but when i was miss rodeo

2:35:21 America you are an ambassador for the professional rodeo cowboys association I did ride a horse at a

2:35:27 lot of rodeos and in parades but I also did a lot of interacting with fans and promoting rodeo I'm

2:35:33 enjoying getting back to competing now and still enjoying everything rodeo praying you guys never

2:35:38 find an exit strategy donate people we need the best podcast in the universe says dame rodeo queen

2:35:45 and if you ride any rodeo near us here in Fredericksburg let us know Tina and I would love

2:35:51 to come and see you ride barrel race well this is a rodeo queen telling people to donate yes and

2:36:00 she's correct uh carol goodman in willow city texas actually fredericksburg take it back

2:36:09 uh since you read my email a couple of shows back i feel it's time to de-douche me

2:36:15 you've been deduced one day i'll figure out uh this dame baroness night thing but for now

2:36:24 i salute you and jcd thank you for your service uh as as a late attendee to the no agenda podcast

2:36:32 i definitely don't want to see it go away keep it coming thank you carol goodman fredericksburg

2:36:38 first time donation to 1060 i met carola church the other day she's one she's one of the few

2:36:44 who listen and go to church and actually donates.

2:36:47 And we appreciate it.

2:36:48 Well, that is unusual for that group.

2:36:50 Yes.

2:36:51 Hello, group.

2:36:53 Sir Mike the Fortunate.

2:36:55 He's in Fouquet, Fouquet, Fouquet, Verena.

2:37:00 I always get correct.

2:37:02 We know how to say it.

2:37:03 I think it's Fouquet, Verena.

2:37:04 I thought it was Fouquet, Verena.

2:37:05 No, no, it's Fouquet, Fouquet.

2:37:07 I'm quite sure.

2:37:08 It's Fouquet, not Fouquet.

2:37:09 Don't email.

2:37:10 $200, associate executive producer.

2:37:12 And Sir Mike says, Dear Abby.

2:37:14 What?

2:37:15 Like, Dear Abby?

2:37:18 Yeah, Dear Abby.

2:37:19 Oh, I've read this email.

2:37:21 A very small residential real estate brokerage outside Raleigh, North Carolina.

2:37:25 I've completed two value-for-value listings with repeat clients in the past year, and both voluntarily paid me more than I would have charged them outright.

2:37:33 Interesting.

2:37:35 When I presented this idea, both parties were hesitant and wanted me to give them a set fee.

2:37:41 I told them I wanted to earn my fee and leave it to them to decide what it was worth when their home was sold.

2:37:46 It's work with people I know and trust, but offering this to everyone is another beast altogether.

2:37:51 I've pitched the idea to friends and family.

2:37:53 They'll never tell.

2:37:54 They'll, ah, you're an idiot.

2:37:56 Over the past few years, and nearly everyone tells me I'm a fool.

2:37:58 There you go.

2:37:59 To have that kind of faith in most people.

2:38:02 The opportunity to get royally screwed is huge, but I can't think of a better way to earn my clients' trust and prove my worth.

2:38:09 Am I just being too naive?

2:38:11 Love the show.

2:38:12 Well, that's a good question.

2:38:14 I mean, so he's had, he's gotten more fees on Value for Value from two people already with repeat clients.

2:38:24 What do you think?

2:38:26 Should he continue?

2:38:26 I need to even out.

2:38:27 I think so.

2:38:28 I mean, the Value for Value lifestyle, by the way, it is an international lifestyle.

2:38:33 It is.

2:38:36 Yeah, that's a ticket.

2:38:38 The value for value is an international lifestyle and it can be a bit of a

2:38:42 roller coaster.

2:38:43 And yes,

2:38:44 it encourages volunteerism.

2:38:50 People will help you for free.

2:38:53 People will help you.

2:38:54 People will,

2:38:55 yes.

2:38:56 Thank you.

2:38:57 That's a,

2:38:57 that's a very good way of looking at it.

2:38:59 And sometimes maybe how someone who may not have given you a lot of value

2:39:04 could monetarily could help you in other ways.

2:39:07 Yeah, and you can every once in a while run into a seronymous.

2:39:10 Yeah, exactly.

2:39:12 And it evens out your year.

2:39:14 That's exactly right.

2:39:15 So I would love for you to report back.

2:39:18 Donate and let us know how it's going.

2:39:20 And here's Linda Lupatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado.

2:39:25 Jobs Karma, your resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression and most don't.

2:39:31 For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakersInc.com.

2:39:36 Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results, and impact.

2:39:44 That's ImageMakers, Inc. with a K.

2:39:46 And Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes.

2:39:50 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

2:39:54 Let's vote for jobs.

2:39:55 You thought, come on.

2:39:58 Thank you, Crash.

2:40:00 Yes, it's Fuquay Varina.

2:40:03 Yeah, that's what I said.

2:40:05 No, you were like, Fuquay, Fuquay, Fuquay, Fuquay, Verena.

2:40:11 From now on, it's just somewhere in North Carolina.

2:40:14 And we have another $200 associate executive producer on the list,

2:40:19 Jeroen van Heeringen in Foothill Ranch, California.

2:40:23 And I pronounce it the Dutch way because he says,

2:40:26 I already listened to Adam's legendary Dutch radio show with Jeroen, my namesake, in the 80s.

2:40:30 your insights wrapped in genuine entertainment stuck with me for decades thank you for that gift

2:40:37 it's the gift that keeps on giving and that is it for our executive and associate executive

2:40:43 producers for episode 1868 thank you all very much our formula is this we go out we hit people

2:40:54 in the mouth and now we continue with the rundown of the rest of our value supporters fifty dollars

2:41:13 and above sir arthur gobetts the biggest hugger of kitties in zaandam the netherlands one two three

2:41:18 dot four five and he needs an extra health karma uh for three senior kitties yes we'll put that at

2:41:25 the end for you tylet neck tylet neck neck neck arlington washington one hundred dollars and nine

2:41:32 cents donation honor of my late mom who watched mtv in the 80s and recognized adam when i listened

2:41:37 to the podcast with her she listened to bon jovi at such high volume that she had hearing loss

2:41:41 really metallica yeah bon jovi hmm robert petta sacramento california 100 and oh he says interview

2:41:51 with scott adams was excellent uniquely john c devorek must be listening to back uh back episodes

2:41:56 and there's sir kevin mclaughlin he is the archduke of luna lover of america and boobs in concord

2:42:01 north carolina with 80 and eight cents he says god bless america and boobs dame rita sparks nevada

2:42:07 She's always there, almost every single episode, $68.33.

2:42:11 Chad Hewitt, Folsom, California, $66.40.

2:42:14 Stephen Shoemake, Xenia, Ohio, $64.80.

2:42:17 Christopher Dector, $5,678.

2:42:19 We see what you did there, thank you.

2:42:21 Sir Patrick Coble, he's at Double Nickels on the Dime, $55.10.

2:42:25 And he says the Toronto meetup was just a party of two,

2:42:28 but it was with a former Russian merchant marine and a former U.S. marine

2:42:35 talking about the world and all things with some great food.

2:42:38 ITM to all and get to a meetup, he says.

2:42:41 I love that you do those things, Sir Patrick.

2:42:45 Duke, Sir Dr. Sharkey, St. Peter's, Missouri, 5510, double nickels on the dime.

2:42:50 Sir Chris of Sachse, Texas, S-A-C-H-S-E, Sachse, I think.

2:42:58 5333, and he wants us to add Sydney to the birthday list, and he turns 14 today.

2:43:04 Luke Munnell, Los Angeles, California, $52.72.

2:43:07 Joseph A. Jr., Locust Grove, Virginia, $50.01.

2:43:12 Requesting a de-douching on his father's behalf.

2:43:15 You've been de-douched.

2:43:18 Mr. Joe A. Sr. will be turning 38 next week and has been listening to the show for years without donating.

2:43:24 So, he has been a douche too long.

2:43:26 Thanks for giving him a show to listen to.

2:43:28 Godspeed. Thank you.

2:43:29 Here are the 50s.

2:43:30 Gary Mao, Woodland Hills, California.

2:43:32 where all the tech investors live, 50.

2:43:35 Jeremy Silver, Bridgeport, Connecticut.

2:43:38 He just had his first baby.

2:43:41 Actually, it's Woodside, Roland.

2:43:42 I thought it was Woodland.

2:43:44 Oh, you're right, Woodside.

2:43:45 Woodland Hills is in Southern California, I believe.

2:43:48 Yeah, it's a ghetto.

2:43:49 It's a ghetto, yeah.

2:43:50 That's where our people live.

2:43:52 Jeremy Silver in Bridgeport, Connecticut.

2:43:54 He says that he had a baby on Friday.

2:43:57 We will add some human resource karma for you.

2:44:01 Brandon Savoie, there's a name I haven't heard in a bit.

2:44:03 Port Orchard, Washington.

2:44:05 Patricia Worthington, Dane Patricia Worthington, Miami, Florida.

2:44:08 Kevin Dills, Huntersville, North Carolina.

2:44:11 Sir Luke Rayner in London, Collective Karma.

2:44:14 We've got a lot of Karmas coming up here.

2:44:15 Easy Landscapes, North Stonington, Connecticut.

2:44:18 Philip Ballou in Louisville, Kentucky.

2:44:22 Sir Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, Alberta.

2:44:25 Sir Alan Bean in Beaverton, Oregon.

2:44:27 Baron, sir.

2:44:29 You remember one guy.

2:44:31 And you always correct me.

2:44:32 That's because that guy has been the longest donor of ever.

2:44:37 Ever.

2:44:38 Of ever.

2:44:39 Barron, Sir Alan Bean, Beaverton, Oregon.

2:44:41 Thank you, Barron.

2:44:42 And Ox Otherix in Buffalo, New York.

2:44:45 He says, sickened by sycophants, your humble beast of burden, Ox Otherix in Buffalo, New York.

2:44:52 Thank you all.

2:44:53 So, what, did he ask for a de-douching?

2:44:55 Yes, he did.

2:44:55 No, he didn't.

2:44:57 I'll give him one.

2:44:57 Why not?

2:44:59 you've been deduced thank you all very much for supporting your no agenda show go to no

2:45:04 agenda donations.com that is the easiest way to support us no agenda donations.com the groovy

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2:45:31 And we see Sir Christopher Saxey wishing Sidney a very happy birthday. Sidney turns 14 today.

2:45:43 Happy birthday, Sidney. Eric, happy birthday to Lauren Palawoda, Palawoda, celebrating tomorrow.

2:45:49 And Joseph Adriani Jr. wishes his dad, Joe A. Sr., a very happy birthday.

2:45:54 He turns 38.

2:45:55 How young are you, Joseph?

2:45:57 Happy birthday to all of these people from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.

2:46:02 Here we go.

2:46:14 Yes, we do have that title change, sarcastic, as we heard.

2:46:19 He is now a baron and requested the peerage of Chester County, Pennsylvania.

2:46:24 So, absolutely, we give that to you.

2:46:26 Sarcastic, baron of Chester County, Pennsylvania.

2:46:29 Thank you very much.

2:46:31 And welcome to this next level of the peerage ladder, my friend.

2:46:35 And now it is time for the Order of the Heart.

2:46:38 Behold the Order of the Heart.

2:46:42 Pure of purpose, right from the start, in the morning, brave and smart, the Order of the Heart.

2:46:50 I really sincerely hope that we can find an address somewhere, some drop box,

2:46:58 to send Sir Animas of Dogpatch and Lower Slobovia his Red Knight Order of the Heart pin.

2:47:04 He definitely deserves it.

2:47:06 Along with him, Order of the Heart recipients, Jeffrey Hirsch, Sir Sifu, Sifu El Padrino, about to be a sir,

2:47:14 and James Borders, who was about to become Sir Boobalot of the Boot Heel.

2:47:20 Congratulations to you, brand new Knights, Red Knights, Order of the Heart.

2:47:24 Behold the Order of the Heart, pure of purpose, right from the start, in the morning, brave and smart.

2:47:35 The order of the heart.

2:47:37 And here's that karma that I promised everybody.

2:47:42 You've got karma.

2:47:44 Yes, digital, digital 2112 man.

2:47:49 Woodland Hills, indeed, is the capital of adult entertainment.

2:47:52 That's why I recognize it.

2:47:54 Yeah, that's where our people are from, for sure.

2:47:56 Hey, we got a couple of nights, so I will bring the blade out here.

2:48:00 Do you have a blade?

2:48:02 There you go.

2:48:03 There's his blade.

2:48:05 Jeffrey Hirsch and James Borders, gentlemen, step right up.

2:48:10 Thanks to your Red Knight donations, you get to join that exclusive group of No Agenda Nights and Dames.

2:48:17 And I hereby pronounce the KD as Sir Sifu El Padrino and Sir Boobalot of the Boothill.

2:48:24 For you, we've got Hookers and Blow, Rent Boys and Chardonnay.

2:48:27 Wait, we had some special, what did we have?

2:48:31 I got it here.

2:48:32 We had the, what did we have?

2:48:35 Ah, yes, Pappy's ribs and a few shiners.

2:48:37 That's what I was looking for.

2:48:38 Along with that, we got vodka, vanilla, bong, it's a bourbon, sparkling cider, an escort, ginger, and gerbils, breast milk, and pablum.

2:48:44 And as always, the mutton and the meat at the round table.

2:48:47 And, gentlemen, please head over to noagendarings.com.

2:48:50 That is where you...

2:48:51 What are you...

2:48:52 Are you now woodworking?

2:48:54 What are you doing, man?

2:48:57 Just tell us.

2:48:59 Well, the mic was misplaced, and so what I do is when I have the clip list...

2:49:03 Yes.

2:49:04 And I X out the ones we played.

2:49:07 Yes.

2:49:07 And the mic was right on top of where the pen was going.

2:49:11 You X it out.

2:49:14 Oh, yes.

2:49:14 Okay.

2:49:14 Yes.

2:49:15 Get a marker.

2:49:17 Okay.

2:49:18 Get a Sharpie.

2:49:19 It's better.

2:49:19 Go to noagendarings.com.

2:49:22 That is where you will see the beautiful No Agenda Night and Dame rings.

2:49:26 They're signet rings.

2:49:27 So we always supply you with an ample quantity of sealing wax, little sticks.

2:49:33 You can use that, just like the old days, to seal your important correspondence.

2:49:37 And as always, it comes with a certificate of authenticity.

2:49:39 And welcome once again to the No Agenda Roundtable.

2:49:42 No Agenda Meetups!

2:49:46 Ah, we got some good meetups taking place this month, but first we have a report.

2:49:53 This is the Albuquerque meetup. Sir Jeff Tohig hosted that one.

2:49:56 In the morning, this is Jeff from Albuquerque, the land of the Mars rover.

2:50:01 and I'm attending the Albuquerque meetup, and here we go, handing it off.

2:50:07 My name is Craig, and I am also here at my first No Agenda meeting.

2:50:10 Hi, this is Steve. I'm from northern Colorado.

2:50:13 This is my first No Agenda meetup, and it's fantastic.

2:50:17 Hi, this is Dame Heather of the Lost Boys from Santa Fe

2:50:21 with, quote, Sir Jeff and Albuquerque at our biannual meetup.

2:50:28 You said bye. All right, so cheers, Adam.

2:50:31 and glad that everybody's healthy and happy and not in the hospital anymore.

2:50:36 Yes, we're all very happy about that as well.

2:50:38 Hey, there's a meet-up taking place today, the Northern Wake May meet-up,

2:50:42 6 o'clock at Saints and Scholars in Raleigh, North Carolina.

2:50:45 On Saturday, the DFW, that's Dallas-Fort Worth Mid-Cities,

2:50:49 meet-up 11.30 in the morning at Chef Point Cafe in Coleyville, Texas.

2:50:52 It'll be a relaxing lunch, Sir Nerdwork says.

2:50:56 Also, the Fort Wayne Club 33 May Day Dancers meet-up at 1 o'clock

2:51:00 at Olay's Pizza Pasta Pub

2:51:03 in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

2:51:04 And another one on Saturday,

2:51:05 the Resist We Much meetup

2:51:07 in Los Banos, California,

2:51:09 Minet's Pizza,

2:51:11 and that's at 3.33 p.m.

2:51:13 That'll be Happy Armed Forces Day.

2:51:16 How about that?

2:51:17 Sunday, our next show day,

2:51:18 the IndyNA May the Road Rise

2:51:21 to Meet You meetup,

2:51:22 3 o'clock at St. Joseph Brewery

2:51:25 and Public House

2:51:25 in Indianapolis, Indiana.

2:51:27 That's always Dame Maria

2:51:29 and Sir Mark of the Greenwood.

2:51:30 They always put together a great meetup.

2:51:32 There are many more taking place in the month of May

2:51:34 on the 21st, Charlotte, North Carolina.

2:51:36 22nd, Mola Zoon.

2:51:37 Oh, this is our dame there in Gers, in France.

2:51:42 So make sure you check out noagentameetups.com

2:51:44 to find out where that is.

2:51:45 The 23rd, Wilmington, Delaware, Los Angeles, California,

2:51:48 Hickson, Tennessee, Franklin, Tennessee.

2:51:50 At the 24th, Keyport, New Jersey, Vancouver, British Columbia.

2:51:53 And on the 25th, Squim, Washington.

2:51:56 Daya Mimi will be there with her too-many-eggs.com books.

2:51:59 and Anchorage, Alaska on May 30th.

2:52:01 Many more meetups to be found at noagendameetups.com.

2:52:04 This is where you get connection that will always bring protection.

2:52:07 These people will be your first responders in any emergency.

2:52:10 In fact, they'll make you stable, which always makes you able.

2:52:13 Go to noagendameetups.com.

2:52:15 If you can't find a meetup near you, even if you live in France,

2:52:18 start one yourself.

2:52:20 It's easy.

2:52:20 Always guaranteed a party.

2:52:22 noagendameetups.com.

2:52:24 Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.

2:52:30 You want to be where you want to be.

2:52:33 Drink it all, hell's blame.

2:52:36 You want to be where everybody feels the same.

2:52:40 It's like a party.

2:52:43 And thank you all very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe,

2:52:47 the Your No Agenda show, with your value for value in all sorts of ways.

2:52:51 It is highly appreciated.

2:52:53 noagendadonations.com.

2:52:55 We've got end of show mixes coming up

2:52:57 along with John's tip of the day.

2:52:58 But first, the ISOs.

2:52:59 It's three for three today.

2:53:01 So let's see who gets that coveted final spot of the show.

2:53:06 I will start.

2:53:07 Dude, it's like genius, genius, genius.

2:53:10 No, I didn't like that one myself.

2:53:14 Here we go.

2:53:14 That was the hardest I've ever laughed in my life.

2:53:16 And this one.

2:53:21 We did it!