Code Brown

0:00 This is like a suicide cult. Adam Curry,

0:04 John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, 07/09/2026.

0:07 This is your award winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode eighteen eighty four. This is No Agenda.

0:14 Has anyone seen a stork?

0:16 Not me, but we are broadcasting live from the southern district of Amsterdam,

0:20 The Netherlands in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

0:24 And from Northern Silicon Valley where we're all wondering who would name a kid Gram.

0:28 I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning.

0:33 What kid's name is Graham?

0:36 Graham Plattner.

0:37 Oh. You're not over here so you don't get to see this twenty four seven coverage. You said you said Graham, not Graham. You said Graham. His name is Graham.

0:46 Not Graham, like a Graham. It's pronounced Graham. No. It's Graham. Graham. It's Graham.

0:53 Yes. If you had said Graham, it would have been obvious. It would be Graham. No. It's not Graham. Okay. You can say what you want. Okay. Well, so, yes, I I am aware of the the news cycle. I'm aware of it. But that's not what I'm stuck with here.

1:09 You're stuck there is what you're stuck with. I'm stuck here, but I'm stuck here with Well, like I said, it's coming Tuesday.

1:15 So Yeah. The day when we're back. Get ready. The day we come the day we're back. Yes.

1:20 You never said it was coming Tuesday, did you? Yeah. Yeah. I did. Oh, because you know I'm coming back Monday.

1:27 Well, you're gonna miss the baby then. Yeah. No kidding.

1:31 My my daughter You could stay a couple extra days. My we've already been here. By Monday, we'll have been here for two weeks.

1:39 We're running out of everything. Time flies. Time flies.

1:44 And of course, now, you know, everyone here is like,

1:47 oh,

1:48 oh, you're from America?

1:50 Stupid Trump.

1:52 Tried No. Please. Tried to get tried to to rig tried to rig the game with the red card.

2:00 We showed you, didn't you?

2:03 Yeah. All day long. All day long. It's amazing.

2:06 Trying to re well, I think that he was corrupted to begin with and the reason that they did that, it had nothing to do with Trump, it was to make him look like he did something other than just make a call. Yeah. That's exactly what to put that player back in because these games are as we you and I know Rigged. These games are rigged. Rigged. Yes. And they knew that if they left that player out,

2:28 the striker that they they Yes. Red carded, then then they'd have to listen to the whining Americans.

2:34 Yeah.

2:35 Yeah.

2:38 Oh, You guys screwed us. Someone's hearing We would have won the championship.

2:42 Oh, someone's hearing a buzz. Hold on a second. I thought I heard it too. Hold on. Now I'm hearing it too. Somebody's hearing a buzz? Yeah. There we go. Well, I can move some wires No. No. It's not you. No. It's not it's not you. It's me. It's me.

2:54 Yeah. This was this was what she said.

2:57 Here's here's the clip. Final play. And he gave him a red card. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't think it meant much. Then I started hearing that that means he can't

3:04 play in the next game, at least in the next game. I said, boy, that's a big you know, if it happened to

3:12 another player, it would have been unfair. But when they take your

3:15 best player or just about, they have some great players, but

3:19 and they say you can't play,

3:21 that's very unfair. That's you know, it's one thing to penalize somebody for the game.

3:27 But how do you penalize them for a game that hasn't been played yet? It's very unfair. You can't do that. So,

3:33 yes, I asked for a review.

3:35 Oh, a I

3:37 spoke to a man who's I

3:39 I found the source of this whole Trump called him, made him change it. It was the New York Times with four sources,

3:46 unnamed, anonymous sources, familiar with the phone call. Highly respected. And by the way, whose level of respect has gone up

3:54 tenfold.

3:56 And it was good before this started. But, you know, he really pushed it in this country. I'm the one that got them to do it. It was not Biden.

4:04 See, what people don't understand and it doesn't even I I don't even have to try and explain it here, commies.

4:11 What people don't understand is Trump's not talking about fair,

4:15 he's talking about the excitement of the game. He's thinking of television.

4:19 That's what he's thinking of. He's like, hey, we gotta have the star players in there. You can't take the star players. It was great when they threw them out and they played with 10 guys for the rest of the game. That's great television.

4:30 You can't have that guy not show up in the next game even though it's the rule.

4:34 That's what it was about. Now people don't understand him. We are the Trump whisperers.

4:39 We understand our president. We're we're some of the last and the very few, I believe.

4:45 Yeah. Maybe. I'm not kidding.

4:49 People are are just they roll their eyes at me. They roll their eyes. Yeah,

4:54 man.

4:55 That guy tried to cheat. I don't care what you say.

4:59 It's useless. Alright. So

5:03 if it's such a big news cycle and that you had to start it out at the beginning of the show off with you, you might do you have any Graham Plattner clips that you want to share? I have a yeah. I do have a classic that I thought if anyone would appreciate it would be you. Alright.

5:17 Because it's from the pivot. These are the Whoo. Your your buddies. Kara and professor can you turn your speakers down just a tad? Kara and professor professor Scott,

5:26 let me guess because I've seen some of these come through on the timeline where Elizabeth Warren is saying that's my guy.

5:33 So prob Well, yeah. They've been

5:36 loading these things up. I don't I don't really have a lot of platter clips. I just had I just thought it would be worthwhile to play this one because it's one of the most extreme examples

5:47 of a a very biased

5:51 and and almost pathetic attitude about things. I personally

5:55 I'm gonna just very quickly say, I think voters don't care about this. I don't, and I thought his wife handled it well.

6:01 I have others. I had an argument with Amanda this weekend. She doesn't like the Nazi tattoo. She doesn't like this.

6:07 Really? I feel as if Amanda doesn't like the Nazi tattoo. Who does? If they if the husband and wife are working it out, it remind me a little when Hillary Clinton did I Should I Stand By My Man when he had those Oh, wow. Jennifer Flowers things. Reminds me a little bit of that.

6:23 Turned out to be a pretty good president. I don't get bothered by it as much. None of it.

6:28 I think he's an he's as Amanda Littman correctly said, he's someone who had a drinking problem as a marine, probably got that tattoo,

6:35 has mental health challenges, which he's trying to overcome,

6:38 marriage problems, which he's his wife is insisting they're going to counselors and overcoming.

6:43 Wait. That list is your typical Democrat. That's perfect. I mean, let's just hear that list again. Nazi

6:49 tattoo.

6:50 He's got drinking problems, relationship problems.

6:53 As a marine. Probably got that tattoo.

6:55 Has mental health challenges, which he's trying to overcome.

6:59 Marriage problem Mental challenges, which he's trying to overcome. Yeah. Though you have to you you have to stop stop the clip and let me Yeah. Explain something that I think is important. Oh, please. Which is that you're right. This is the democrats laundry list of what they think

7:15 of what they think the working class is. Yes. Drinking problem. They don't they have no connection. She has no and the professor has no connection with this, you know, this Democrats and their working class,

7:29 which they haven't represented for

7:32 I don't know. I Since we've been doing the since Kennedy. Since we've been doing the show.

7:37 Yeah. Definitely since we've been doing this. Right? They're they're so dissociated

7:41 from the working class that their imaginary

7:44 working class person is what she's describing.

7:48 Yes. And and oyster farmer farthest thing from the truth there is. An oyster farmer with a drinking problem, a Nazi tattoo, mental health issues, which he's working on, and relationship issues. Yes. That's your voter. A bit of that

8:02 turned out to be pretty good president. I don't get bothered by it as much. None of it.

8:07 I think he's an he's as Amanda Littman correctly said, he's someone who had a drinking problem as a marine, probably got that tattoo,

8:14 has mental health challenges, which he's trying to overcome,

8:17 marriage problems, which his wife is insisting they're going to counsellors and overcoming.

8:22 Every election is a choice,

8:24 not a marriage proposal. We're

8:28 not hiring a priest,

8:30 we're hiring a senator. Do you wanna make sure that women's rights aren't continued to be rolled back? Do you want a more responsible economic policy? But we're gonna talk about fucking tattoos and sexting?

8:41 You mean like you did about Pete Hegseth? Okay. I mean the the obsession with

8:47 personal purity has become a luxury belief and folks if your house is on fire Excellent. You don't ask whether the firefighter has problematic DMs.

8:57 Are we gonna continue to have one strike and you're out? I'm a Jew. I don't love a Tottenkampf tattoo.

9:03 Okay. If he gets drunk one night and gets his I I love hold on. Tottenkampf?

9:07 If you're a real Jew, pronounce it right. Totenkopf.

9:11 Okay? Tatenkampf.

9:12 Get get with this Scott. Continue to have one strike and you're out. I'm a Jew, I don't love a Tatenkampf

9:18 tattoo.

9:19 Okay. If he gets drunk one night and gets a stupid fucking tattoo, the fact that he's trying to protect our liberties the next day and might be blown up by an IED, he gets a hall pass.

9:30 You're

9:31 right. It's just cotton comp. Tot and too struggle. It's cop. It's head. It's cop. It's token cop.

9:38 Yeah. Yes. The head. Yeah. Cop. Cop. Cop. Cop. We all know cop. Yes. Not comp. Comp. He's my comp. Yeah. Well, that's he's thinking it's that way. That's great. That's great. But he now he resigned. He withdrew. He's out. Yeah. He did. But the one more thing about what Scott said, he says, are we going to continue to have women's rights rolled back?

9:58 Yeah. What what is he talking about? I don't know. I don't know. The You know, I you've seen these if you go to I don't do this that much, but if you go to TikTok or

10:08 Insta or when these places had the reels, all these things Yeah. And you there'd be men on the street stuff where the someone says, well, so what do you what do you wanna see about, you know, somebody being interviewed at some protest?

10:21 Then they say, I'm I'm

10:23 I don't wanna see women's rights roll back, and then the the interviewer will say, which women's rights are you talking about? Of course, is. And then they and they free there's a long blank stare. Yeah. And then they say, I'm I'm not participating in this. I I I'm not going to They walk. I'm not going to

10:40 Yeah. Well,

10:41 of course, then we have the actual candidates

10:44 for the Democrat party. This this thing has been circling around a little mini mini cut

10:49 of some of these DSA

10:52 Democrats Socialists of America, and it's exactly what we talked about on the last show. This is exactly what they're doing. If they get elected and these were

11:01 not the candidates in the primary, not the candidates that

11:06 Rokana

11:07 what's his name? Rokana.

11:09 We don't we just call him Rokana? Isn't that his name now? Rokana? He's a Rokana. Rokana. Rokana. The Rokana. Rokana, he this is not the people he endorsed, but this is the people who

11:18 the people supposedly

11:20 selected.

11:21 And, you know, we have a unique responsibility to act from the from the heart of empire, the belly of the beast. The most important thing that we can do is is keep that empire down from within. Our role ultimately is to to facilitate our own empire's failure in ways that we can, ultimately to overthrow our own empire. Imperialism

11:40 is US imperialism is not a thing that can be reformed away. It it has to be

11:45 overthrown through revolutionary struggle. And to build a mass movement that can use the leverage of workers to hit the kill switch on American imperialism

11:55 here within the American empire.

11:58 Yes. From within the kill switch in the American empire.

12:03 Yeah. These people are very pretentious, but did you notice how gender fluid they are? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So certainly. I couldn't tell who is what there. It was just non binary

12:15 Certainly. Certainly. To an extreme. Well, and this this so just looking at all these different factions.

12:22 I caught a report on CNN

12:24 and it was about the Patriot Front on July 4

12:29 who

12:30 marched on the mall,

12:32 who took the Metro, which is the subway,

12:35 to the mall.

12:36 And,

12:38 you know,

12:39 we've looked at these guys and we're like, these gotta be feds. This has gotta be some kind of psyop going on. But then I'm thinking, hold on a second. Does this mean that Cash Patel's FBI

12:51 or

12:52 Tulsi Gabbard or Bill Pulte's

12:55 intelligence

12:56 operations are still running these guys?

12:59 And and it's

13:01 a bit polarizing to me. But the thing that really caught my eye is as I'm listening to the opening of this report,

13:08 the

13:09 whole thing is completely

13:11 framing something that is

13:13 observably not true. This weekend, in the midst of the country's two hundred and fiftieth birthday festivities,

13:20 a stark and disturbing display emerged

13:23 from our nation's capital. Stark and disturbing display. On Saturday, when masked members of the white supremacist group, the Patriot Front

13:33 marched through Washington DC carrying confederate flags and Okay. So

13:38 I stopped here because carrying confederate flags, I'm literally looking at the video she's showing

13:44 and there's no confederate flag. There's stars and stripes, 50 stars, 13 stripes. There's about

13:52 20%

13:53 are what I'd call the colonial flag with the the 13 stars in a circle with a picture of George Right. Right. Which is a Yeah.

14:01 With picture of George Washington in the circle. Not a single

14:06 confederate flag. Maybe they think that's a confederate flag. That's how things have that's how deteriorated

14:13 the media has become. Well, possibly.

14:15 But the first thing that she says here is the white supremacist group.

14:21 And, you know, and so of course you connect white supremacy,

14:24 white supremacist groups

14:26 to patriots because they're called the Patriot Front.

14:29 So that by itself Oh, yeah. Good good bit. It's sci op whether it's from them or who knows what it is. But I'm like, I gotta look at these guys. What is going on with this group?

14:39 So they have a website I'm glad you did this because I thought the whole thing was a fake.

14:43 Well, so the the website patriot.us,

14:47 they have you know, about an about page.

14:50 They've got an action page. They've got a manifesto

14:54 page. Now this this this I find troubling, like, why don't you just say here's our mission, but no. They say manifesto. It's very long.

15:02 And it there's no white supremacy language in there per se. They hate government,

15:08 they feel all politicians have sold out,

15:11 the military industrial complex,

15:14 they

15:15 hate globalism,

15:17 they wanna go back to what America was,

15:21 They don't like they want the borders closed. They don't want immigrants coming in from Africa. They don't talk about black people. Now, I don't see any black faces in this patriot front because they have masks on. It makes it a little harder. And it's a little more intimidating

15:35 because they've got the khakis

15:36 and, you know, they have kind of these uniforms on. But it they don't really look like neo Nazis or KKK.

15:43 And then you look at their action and, you know, there's spokes guy, he talks without a mask and his name is known, he's quite eloquent at speaking.

15:50 And then they go, you know, life, liberty, victory. Okay.

15:55 And then you look at their action page

15:57 and they're, you know, doing food drives, feeding homeless people, building houses.

16:02 So I I, you know, I don't what it's me,

16:06 At least one of our No Agenda producers has to be in this group.

16:12 There's no way that if really what is portrayed on this website,

16:16 that we don't have at least one of them

16:18 listening to the show.

16:21 This is kind of my whole thing's just a a front for nothing. Well, this is this is my test. If if we don't have a single producer Oh, that's a good point. We have a million listeners

16:30 Yeah. And producers. Some somebody's somebody's been to the meeting. That we have a population of such

16:37 that is such we yes. You're absolutely correct. Unless there's somebody in there that would that's connected to the show,

16:45 It it's a phony. It's a phony. So Yeah. So I Just a bunch of photos. I pulled I pulled a few more clips from the That's a good point. But it was really bothering me because, you know, I look at these guys like, but I know guys like this, you know, they go to my church, they help out, they they wanna they they love their country, they love their flag, they love their family. I don't think they're racist,

17:07 you know, and they've never shown any racial tendencies,

17:11 but so the psyop is certainly is working on CNN. Just a couple clips because there's some interesting language that they use here. So whether it's phony or

17:20 I mean, certainly doesn't seem like the right something Trump would want is connecting white supremacy to patriot and patriotism.

17:27 Mass members of the white supremacist group, the Patriot Front,

17:32 marched through Washington DC carrying confederate flags and shouting slogans like, quote, reclaim America. Oh, no.

17:41 One photographer

17:42 captured this stunning,

17:44 now viral photo

17:45 of a young black woman

17:48 sitting on a metro car while the masked men surround her. Now this language is beautiful

17:54 because these guys are on the metro. They're all taking the metro. No. Their whole car is filled with them. They're not surrounding her. The picture doesn't even show her being surrounded.

18:04 They're not looking at her. She has a great cares about her. She has a great expression on you on her face. But so then they they bring in this this dude

18:13 who was also a witness, who was also on the train. And this is where things got funny. How did they behave on the train and what what did you what sort of sense did you get from them on the car? They were surprisingly very civil and very organized.

18:26 They were just chatting among themselves like any other people,

18:30 who were sitting

18:31 or traveling using the metro. I you know, just from what I could hear,

18:36 many of them didn't even know each other. I could hear them introducing themselves to one another, with their full names

18:41 and asking where they're from and you know how they're doing. So Well well that doesn't sound very scary. Come on. Let's we gotta step this up a little bit because weren't you afraid? Weren't you scary? Wait.

18:51 How did this picture get taken of you? And you ended up in some photographs

18:55 in taken by a Getty Images photographer.

18:59 A Getty Images photographer happens to be on the train. It's amazing. What did it say to you that there was a photographer there? That's when it alarmed me. This is something, you know. But the photographer also gave me some comfort knowing that somebody was there with a camera just in case something happens because I was realizing if anything happens, won't be able to identify any of them because they're all dressed the same. So it it made me realize to start paying attention. What are they wearing? What's on their hats? What's on their shirts?

19:23 Just to give me an educated idea who they were. And I was texting some friends,

19:28 you know, this is happening. I just want you to be aware that I'm in the middle of a metro by myself.

19:34 So if anything happens, you know No, you weren't. You were with a black girl. What are talking about? You weren't by by myself. I'm in the middle of a metro by myself.

19:42 So if anything happens, you know what's happening. Do you have any thought as you're on the train as to who they might be? Like, what's you know, I I know you said you didn't know who they were, but what were you speculating when you see a bunch of white guys with

19:54 masks and hats? Clearly, they they Yeah. They needed to cover their faces for a reason. Right?

19:59 My mind immediately went to that they were white supremacists. Uh-huh. So and, you know, I work for the US Capitol Historical Center. Oh, there we go. So my first thing is

20:08 I need to remember this and try to document of what's happening. I'm I'm not comparing myself clearly to real American heroes like Rosa Parks and folks who sat in at, you know, at at at diners in the fifties and sixties, but I knew this was a moment that,

20:21 I have to kinda be present. This was a moment. So this is a sigh up of epic proportions. I just wanna know who and why and what's behind it. That's all I want to know. And again,

20:35 if we don't have a single person in our audience who has at least been to a meeting,

20:39 then this is fake.

20:41 And it's fake from the left. There's just no two ways about it.

20:49 Yeah. Fake from the left.

20:51 Yeah. This could be a Soros thing or a southern poverty

20:54 law center thing. The thing that is bothersome is the mask. You know, why? Why the masks? Why Yeah. There's no reason for the mask. There's no reason for that. It's the other side that's always mask oriented with Palestinian Yes. Scarf across the face. That's the tell right there. Oh, you wearing a mask is the tell. There you go.

21:13 So it's it's like, I

21:15 don't know about this. The whole thing just kind of bothered me. Yeah. So I wanted to get that out. And please, if you've been to a meeting, let us know. And if nobody No one's been to a meeting. There's nobody. I mean, this might maybe, Aaroner over at No Agenda Social, he might be the kind of guy. But

21:32 they're not even that anti Jew, you know. So

21:35 at least not that I can tell.

21:37 Not in their in their manifesto,

21:40 which is another thing.

21:41 If you and I were gonna do a group Yes. Absolutely. You're do you nail by the way, that's a great observation. Yeah. We wouldn't You don't use manifesto.

21:49 No. We're not gonna do that. Ever. Ever.

21:53 No. It's it's mission statement

21:55 or what, you know, EULA.

21:58 I mean, anything EULA.

21:59 EULA.

22:00 Yeah. So,

22:02 you know, no.

22:05 But but I'd I think we all were

22:07 considering them to be feds of some sort.

22:11 And now I'm just not so sure. Now now it seems to be from some other organization.

22:16 They look cool though. And that's not to say that the black girl wasn't afraid. They look that cool. The black girl. She might have been afraid, like, oh, what is this? What's going on? But, know She seemed pretty nonchalant

22:27 if you ask me. But a Getty Images photographer

22:30 happens to be there. Well, that's yeah. That right. That's because somewhat misleading because anybody

22:34 Can be I mean, Getty Images yeah. That's true. Yeah. It's once you sign up with them, it's basically you you take a lot of it's like paparazzi.

22:42 You take a lot of photos, but you've already you've you've done a contract deal with them, so if you have any photos that are net of national interest, you have to sell to them as opposed to the comp competition. Yeah.

22:53 Yep. Which is Corbus, whoever it is, is no big deal. Corbus. Day, I think that's exaggerated. Corbus?

23:00 There's other groups?

23:02 Yeah. Yeah. It's that group that Microsoft ran rack

23:07 created.

23:08 I can't remember their name. Core it's like Corbus or something stupid. Was that part of their

23:13 encyclop what was their insight their CD ROM encyclopedia?

23:17 Yeah. The Encarta? Encarta.

23:19 Encarta. Yeah. Encarta.

23:21 It was a good idea at the time. Yeah. At the time.

23:24 When you when there was no Internet and it was everything was on CD ROM. Yes. CD I CD Interactive. CD I. Yeah, baby. Back in the day. CD I went nowhere. Back in the day. Yeah. So just to wrap it up. Yeah. I I agree. The only people who wear masks are Antifa,

23:41 the Palestinian

23:42 protesters.

23:43 It's all it's all crazy for left people.

23:46 And this, you know, Southern Poverty Law Center has deemed them a white supremacist

23:50 hate group.

23:52 That right there tells you something.

23:56 Yeah. Anyway, let's get Guys, get Let's

24:00 to the top of the news with what's really happening. Tonight, as The US launches a new attack on Iran, the second in twenty four hours. President Trump now declaring the ceasefire over. I think it's over.

24:12 I don't wanna deal with them anymore with this scum. You know what scum is? You know what scum is? Something wrong with them. They're cuckoo. The new US strikes hitting Iran's coastal radar sites and anti ship missile missile locations.

24:23 Oh, that fast. A larger attack than last night when 80 targets were hit.

24:29 It comes in response to Iran firing on three cargo ships near the Strait Of Hormuz.

24:34 The big question, what comes next?

24:36 Overnight, Iran launching missiles at US bases in The Gulf. Those missiles intercepted.

24:42 The Pentagon releasing video of more than 20 navy warships patrolling waters near the Middle East. President Trump today sending mixed signals. First saying he would let peace talks continue,

24:52 then a few hours later saying this. I'm not sure I wanna make a deal with him. We can play games, but I'm not sure I wanna make a deal. Let's just finish the job.

25:01 And tonight, the calm has been shattered in the oil market. Shattered. Gas prices for Americans set to go up. The president asked, are we about to see full blown war again? No. I don't think it's gonna start again. I think it's gonna go very quickly.

25:15 They hit a couple of a second. Did you see the structure the way they presented that? Explain.

25:22 It's structured as though they were gonna see full blown war, and then they cut to him saying, no. Don't think so. Yeah.

25:29 Okay. And you're surprised by this? This is ABC. No. This is what we do on this show if you haven't noticed. Has been We point this out. Shattered

25:37 in the oil markets. Gas prices for Americans set to go up.

25:41 The president asked, are we about to see full blown war again? No. I don't think it's gonna start again. I think it's gonna go very quickly.

25:49 They hit a couple of ships,

25:52 and so we hit that much harder. When they hit, we hit. So look at right to late Rachel Scott live in Turkey tonight, and Rachel amid this escalation with Iran right now and the surging oil prices already.

26:01 There are also quest Surging oil price. Surging. Nothing.

26:06 Surging the way bucks. Surging. Like it went up to 74 or something. Surging. Tonight about this new Air Force one, that gift from Qatar, and why it left Turkey tonight without the president? With Iran and Yes, David. The president has been touting this new plane, so it was surprising when that Qatari jet left without him and headed toward The UK. The president said it was to give troops stationed there an opportunity to view the plane, but tonight, it is raising new questions about whether security concerns played a factor. The president later departed Turkey on an older model of Air Force one, Dave. Yeah. So before we move on, I just gotta play this clip because he did play it down. He's like, oh, you know, you know, the plane had to go over there and we had to do something else and the troops had to look at the new plane. But this was the this was the killer for me. In one day, all of their anti aircraft

26:55 things are gone. That doesn't mean they're not gonna get a plane at some point,

26:59 but all of it's gone.

27:01 Everything's gone. Their leaders are gone.

27:04 They had leaders, they're gone. Then they had another set of leaders, they're gone. Now they have another set of leaders, they may be gone.

27:10 Who knows?

27:11 And and you know what? I may be gone too because I'm their number one target.

27:16 It's out all over the place. I'm their number one because they're scum. That's the way they act, and that's the way they've done it for forty seven years. No. I'm number one on the kill list for

27:26 Iran. They're lovely people. I'm number one. So I don't know. I can't tell you that, but I don't really care because I'm doing my job and I'm doing it, I hope, better than anybody's ever done it because we have a country that's hot and really, really successful. But I mentioned it only because it's on the list. I mean, it came out. There was another list came out yesterday, and I'm I'm number one on I like being number one on TikTok better,

27:51 but I'm number one on the list for

27:54 killing. No. Unfortunately,

27:56 I have to say every single time I have known a politician or heard a politician say, yeah, they're gonna, you know, they wanna kill me. It it has happened.

28:06 I'll never forget Pim Fortin saying,

28:09 if something happens to me, those guys did it. And then he got killed.

28:13 You know, it's like Yeah. Well, let's hope that doesn't happen. No. But he was cautious enough to send off this the the one jet let that one get blowed up. Yeah. Really. It's like, you know, I'm gonna have a little switcheroo on the jet. So we had dinner with We don't even know he was on the other air force. He could've been on air force two for all the didn't look like it. I'll be the first because he came out for a gaggle

28:33 and it it was not the air it was not the old air force one as that that he typically travels on.

28:39 Because I could tell by the

28:41 they didn't have the screens in the in the side panel like like like it usually does. So it was not his his typical air force one. Yeah. Well, if you're going to The Middle East and you're the and you're Trump. Yeah. You you could switch your system. You're not gonna be flying around like, hey, here I am. Fire me. Take a shot.

29:00 So

29:02 we had dinner with Lex. I I have two let me just couple of I want to give you a little update. Had a dinner with Lex and Fariba.

29:08 Oh, okay. His his Iranian wife.

29:11 He told man, he told the story about them getting married. It cracks me up every single time.

29:17 Because he they wanted to stay in the same hotel room together. This is like sixteen years ago.

29:23 And so in order to do that, you have to be married by

29:26 an imam.

29:28 And so he's a Muslim. He had to become a Muslim first. Then he got like a stamp and he's got a passport and he's a Muslim. Anyway,

29:36 so and I said, you better not leave that. You better you better stay a Muslim because that's not a good idea. So she's back talking to her family, the Internet's open, the lines are open.

29:47 Everybody

29:48 is back to business, although back to business means her family is selling ground coffee.

29:55 There's there's there's not a lot of commerce per se,

29:59 but the general feeling is that Trump is working with

30:03 the Iranians together,

30:06 and together they're going to get rid of the IRGC, or at least they're going to try to, which the Iranians feel is rather complicated because they have such deep connections

30:16 inside the country. Everyone's on the take from those guys.

30:20 So they feel that there's maybe too many of them. But that's who's popping stuff off. It's the IRGC.

30:25 It's not the people that

30:27 Yo. This yeah. Then they're and it's dissociated.

30:30 They're completely dissociated. Rogue anybody can take a potshot and hey, I'm gonna do it. Yeah. Exactly.

30:36 There's no coordination

30:38 at all. No. So so they're hopeful and they they they actually have more trust in Trump than than I would have expected. I think that he's working with them with the with the third level.

30:49 And and,

30:51 you know, they're like, why is so the what's his name? Reza Pav Pavli, the the crown prince?

30:59 He's in Holland right now.

31:03 How weird is that?

31:06 Well, you should go try to track him down. No. I don't think so. I'm not gonna do that. Let's listen to these clips from the NPR and the BBC

31:14 trying to summarize this. Okay.

31:17 Start with NPR.

31:19 I'm

31:19 looking I'm I see Al Jazeera. Iran bombing NPR. I'm

31:24 sorry. I didn't see that one. The US military says it's carrying out another round of strikes on Iran after Iran attacked ships in the Strait Of Hormuz earlier this week and retaliated

31:34 for US strikes last night. Earlier today, president Trump said Iranian attacks signaled the end of the ceasefire

31:41 as NPR's Franco Ordonez explains. Trump not only warned that The US would likely hit Iran again, but he also threatened to bring back a naval blockade.

31:50 I mean, is clearly frustrated after last night's series of strikes, and he really went off on Iranian leaders calling them cuckoo and a bunch of liars. I don't wanna deal with them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? They're

32:03 scum. They're sick people. Scum, I tell They're led by sick people,

32:07 and they're they're vicious violent people. Now the big question is whether calling off the ceasefire is actually a change in policy or simply a negotiating tactic.

32:17 But Trump did say during the press conference that this would not lead to full scale fighting again and that anything that happened would be over quickly.

32:26 Mhmm.

32:29 I I like to you know, we've talked about this before some time ago about the pronunciation of Iran.

32:35 Yes.

32:36 We got a lecture from somebody who told us how to pronounce it correctly.

32:40 Yes. And but it's still being pronounced Iran. It's it's definitely Iran. We we know for a fact it's Iran.

32:47 Your Iran. Iran.

32:49 And the PBS is or NPR there has gotten it correctly. Yeah. But you hear it's almost like there's a code involved. Well, didn't People who who mispronounced it during the week. That Didn't we

33:03 people who were read in pronounced it Iran and everyone else who doesn't pronounce it Iran is not read in?

33:10 That's what I recall. I think I think that was one of our Yeah. One of our interpretations. Possibly.

33:15 Yeah. Well, here's the BBC. Several Gulf nations have responded to Iranian Holy crap. That's over modulated again.

33:23 So Iran.

33:24 He Iranian.

33:25 Yeah. See, now they're pronouncing it differently.

33:28 Now okay. Now No. We can play it. I wanna play it. Yeah. Let let me stop stop about the over modulation. Okay.

33:35 Okay. I've had I don't know what it is

33:38 about the BBC,

33:41 but there's something wrong with their waveform. And

33:45 Their loofs their loofs are not good.

33:49 I'm telling you, there's something wrong with their waveform and I can't

33:53 because when I'm

33:54 playing with these clips, I'm not getting any of this, any of this over modulation. But every time you play it through your system Yeah. It comes out. And

34:04 Okay.

34:05 I'm not sure what to do about it. I will do an I will do a spectral analysis after the show and figure it out. It could very well be that there's something going on in their processing that is hitting my processing in an odd way. I'm looking at the waveform. It doesn't look flat or anything.

34:20 This is very technical, everybody. I'm glad you're listening in. Several Gulf nations have responded to Iranian attacks

34:27 after The US launched new air strikes against Iran,

34:31 including near the Strait Of Hormuz.

34:34 Explosions were reported in the Bahraini capital Manama,

34:37 while in Kuwait the military said its air defenses had intercepted missiles and drones. First of all, this guy has a wheelbarrow for those balls, man. That's amazing, that voice. Yeah. It's unbelievable, this character. It's crazy. President Trump has warned that the attacks on Iran could get much worse.

34:55 Earlier, Iranian state media reported explosions in several coastal areas. Peter Bowes has more from Washington. Donald

35:03 Trump is returning to Washington.

35:05 Now he has been speaking on Air Force one, where he said amongst other things, we've just hit them very hard,

35:12 and I say we hit them 20 to one. He added that every time they hit us,

35:17 we're going to hit them 20,

35:19 as he put it. And he also claimed that Iran had called a little while ago saying that saying that they wanted to make a deal badly.

35:26 He said, I just don't know if they're worthy of making a deal.

35:31 Our international editor Jeremy Bowen has this analysis of the latest developments.

35:35 What is driving all of this is the fact that the Iranian regime in Tehran have a heck of a weapon

35:42 in being able to close the Strait Of Hormuz. They can put the global economy in days in a chokehold. Oh, please. Where we're at. So I think what we're gonna see is a lot of these ups and downs, probably more escalations,

35:53 more oscillations,

35:55 some more talks. Sources very adjacent to the talks have said to me that

36:00 neither side is trying to walk away from the talks,

36:03 but equally is taking,

36:05 quote, a lot of heavy lifting to try to get them back to talking. I'm so sick of this. They closed the Strait Of Hormuz. They didn't close anything.

36:15 There's not a row of IRGC

36:18 paddle boats blocking the the straits.

36:21 This language has got to stop.

36:24 You know, I

36:27 wanna play this CBS version of this of the report,

36:30 of the scum liars and cheats report, because at the end there was something

36:34 there was something odd

36:36 and different. The president said today that even though the ceasefire is over, the nuclear talks between the two countries can continue.

36:42 But with each side trading airstrikes and insults, it's pretty difficult to understand

36:48 the way forward.

36:50 They've scumned.

36:51 And

36:53 so we don't like them. I don't like them.

36:56 And they're evil people. President Trump unleashed on Iran for attacking three commercial tankers in the Strait Of Hormuz this week. They're liars.

37:05 They're cheats.

37:06 They're sick people. Just last month, Trump called Iran's leaders very rational people. But tonight, he's ordered more strikes along the Strait Of Hormuz,

37:14 which

37:15 follows a heavy bombing campaign Tuesday night when US forces hit about 80 targets inside Iran,

37:21 including its main naval base and dozens of small boats.

37:26 Iran says it responded by firing missiles and drones at 85 military targets inside Bahrain and Kuwait.

37:33 The volleys, the most significant since The US and Iran signed a memo of understanding

37:37 about three weeks ago. But the president said Iran's actions have killed the deal. There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo.

37:46 As far as I'm concerned, it's over. Oil prices spiked on that news, part of the reason why by the end of today, the president was trying to turn down the temperature. Oh, I think anything

37:56 that happens is gonna be over very quickly. And we'll only and we'll only make it safer, including for oil. It's a settlement. Also at the NATO summit, the president met with Vladimir Zelensky and announced plans to let Ukraine start building Patriot missiles.

38:10 But he also broached a three way meeting with Russia's Vladimir Putin. I don't know that he'd go to Moscow. Maybe he would. Would you go to Moscow?

38:18 It's difficult. There are a lot of Ukrainian drones there.

38:21 Leaders here at the summit said their host Turkish president Erdogan

38:25 gifted them all personalized

38:27 revolvers and a box of ammunition. The White House didn't confirm Trump's gift, but the British prime minister said he had to leave his here because it would be illegal

38:35 to bring it home. That's the weird part. What's up with that?

38:39 They all gave him pistols with ammo to what? To shoot yourself?

38:44 I thought that was very strange. It's a strange I did not heard that. That was a good catch. That's a strange gift.

38:51 That is a strange gift.

38:53 So They gave him gold plated pistols with one bullet in the chamber.

38:58 Hint hint hint and a hairpin trigger.

39:01 So

39:02 I what I feel go is going on here

39:05 is good cop, bad cop. It seems so obvious

39:09 because this is from his he did a lot of press or at least a lot of clips came out of his press at in in

39:16 Turkey at the NATO

39:18 NATO summit. Yeah. Some NATO clips. Yeah. This is

39:22 this is where I I think this is the one where he's it's basically good cop, bad cop. Let those guys go. Be good cops. I'm gonna be the bad cop. Do have any questions? Mister president, is the over?

39:32 Is is the ceasefire done? Is the MOU dead?

39:36 It's a very interesting question.

39:39 To me That's not an interesting question. I

39:42 think it's over.

39:44 I don't wanna deal with them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? They're scum. They're sick people.

39:49 They're led by sick people. So this is the full quote, which I think was more interesting than what the news just cherry picked.

39:55 And they're they're vicious, violent people.

39:58 And if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators. They wanna negotiate. They're good people.

40:07 Steve Whitcough,

40:08 Jared Christian.

40:09 But they have to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them. They're liars.

40:16 We make a deal. See, that to me first of all, they didn't put any of that in any of the news reports. Nothing about the nuclear nuclear bomb.

40:24 I don't know why.

40:26 And then he says, well, you know, those guys, they got to continue to talk, you know, Jared and Whitkoff, and they can come back to me, but I'm not gonna talk to him. That is, like, so textbook

40:37 good cop, bad cop. And they if I make a deal with him, we have a deal, and he goes out, he talks. We make a deal. Everyone's agreed. No nuclear weapon.

40:46 We make a deal. They go outside, joke to the press, they say we never even talked about it. There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo.

40:54 As far as I'm concerned, it's over.

40:56 These

40:57 talks won't resume after

41:00 after we get through the funeral proceedings. We'll talk. Or does this mean that talks with Iran will not resume after I don't care. They can talk, but I think they're wasting their time. They're a bunch of lying guys.

41:09 I do it. My whole life, that's all I do is deals. My whole life is that's how I became president, I guess. That's a deal too. Right?

41:16 But I I made a lot of money. I had a lot of great success.

41:19 Tremendous

41:20 success. Everything I did, was successful.

41:23 And I deal with these guys, and I say, is from a different

41:26 school. They are liars.

41:28 They are cheats.

41:29 They are sick They've

41:31 hurt their people. They killed 54,000

41:34 people as of now that were protesting.

41:37 You know, when people say, how come they haven't taken over? They can't take over because they're dead.

41:42 They killed them. Nobody's gonna take over. They have no guns, and the other side has machine guns.

41:47 And they're killing them. The press doesn't report it.

41:50 But they're bad people.

41:51 They're bad people. Something tells me this was not unexpected for them that this would happen.

41:58 And there's there's some there's some game afoot here. Actually, that entire clip, which was a good clip,

42:07 I'm thinking whether it's worthy of a borderline. That

42:10 entire clip, if if the news media had played that in its entirety instead of these kinda cute clips of,

42:17 there's there's scum. Yeah. And then just leave it at that Yeah. Out of context. So And the the public would be serviced serviced

42:26 so much better

42:28 It or served so much better by by them being more honest with these with their clipping. Their clipping is terrible. And and what's the verdict?

42:38 Well, the media sucks? No. Don't know. You said borderline.

42:42 You were contemplating a borderline.

42:44 Oh, you want it, don't you? Well, you can't like dangle it in front of me and then say, I'm thinking about it, but then Okay. Give yourself a borderline.

42:52 Alright.

42:54 Wow.

42:58 Hey, man. It was almost worthy of a border. Oh,

43:02 Alright. Yes. Maybe it You got your borderline. I could've given you a clip of the day. No. You haven't given me one of those in months.

43:09 That's not true.

43:12 Be careful.

43:14 That's not true. Okay. Okay.

43:16 No. That's but the the point I was making was

43:20 why don't we get why doesn't the media give us that? And it's all out there. And and NPR could have done that. BBC could have done that. That clip was what? How long was that clip? What's the total time? Total time is let me see. How many

43:35 One fifty five.

43:37 It's under two minutes of Yeah. Of clippage. Yeah. Yeah. Clippage. Yeah. Clipage as as we Well under the we what we consider the The two minute the two minute limit. The two minute limit.

43:49 Nothing can go if it's past two minutes, it's gotta be really good. Well, no. If it's past two minutes,

43:55 you or I, but one of the two of us complain.

43:58 Now, I know you have analysis. But this clip is too long. I know

44:03 you have analysis.

44:06 I just have two more clips to play because

44:10 stunningly,

44:11 stunningly,

44:13 look who comes out out of nowhere and appears on Jake Tapper's show. What woman, what analyst do you think would just pop out all of a sudden?

44:24 Who?

44:26 Vicky Newland.

44:29 Oh my god. This morning, president Trump said that as far as he's concerned, the ceasefire is over and now we see these new strikes.

44:36 So is this an end to the ceasefire or

44:38 is it possible that this is just a negotiating tactic and the ceasefire is still officially

44:44 on?

44:46 Jake, it's good to be with you. I don't think that The United States and president Trump ever had a true agreement with Iran.

44:53 What Iran thinks it got out of this ceasefire

44:56 was the ability to control the Straits Of Hormuz to exact tolls and and other tribute from from ships going through it. And, when we tried to pass ships on the Omani side or without paying,

45:09 the Iranians attacked.

45:11 So we never really had a deal, and it's not a surprise that it's breaking down. I think the question is

45:16 what the president is willing to do to enforce it and to keep the straits open and to set this free navigation,

45:23 standard for the world. Before

45:26 these strikes started, Trump said he did not think an end to the ceasefire

45:29 would mean a return to full scale war.

45:32 Is it gonna be that simple? I mean,

45:35 it seems like we've been involved in a full scale war for quite some time even during this so called ceasefire.

45:42 And by the way, a war that we are losing,

45:44 Jake.

45:46 As I said, the president has never gotten us back to the status quo ante, which was a straight of Hormuz that was open to navigation

45:54 without fees or tolls and that Iran did not control.

45:58 You know, the Iran has been testing this all the way through, and frankly, this war that we started has left us in a far worse position than we were in before. I can only think she's mad that she wasn't involved in this war. I mean, likes this. This is what she does. She sparks wars.

46:13 She hands out donuts.

46:14 Let's get it going boys. And then in this,

46:18 yet another

46:19 piece of of audio that you didn't hear much of. I was asked why

46:23 he's been on apparently unable to end the Iran war and after claiming that The US was doing so well, he said this. Take a listen.

46:32 They're dealing with very fine people. What?

46:35 What?

46:35 Come on. That that's a that's like a shoe in for the M5M.

46:40 I couldn't understand it. He says we're dealing with very fine people.

46:46 That's a beauty. Oh, I missed I couldn't hear it. That's a beauty. That's because of the stupid sound effect they throw in.

46:52 They're dealing with very fine people? Oh, god. Come on, man. That's a that's a Yeah. That would admit you're right. If you and I were running CNN, we'd be throwing out the very fine people on both sides clip immediately.

47:03 Absolutely.

47:04 What a miss Earth. They're dealing with Steve Woodcock, and they're dealing with Jared Kushner and JD Vance, and they're dealing with Marco

47:12 and Scott. They're dealing with great people, but I don't I don't know. I think they're a little loco. They're a little crazy.

47:19 What's your read on what's going wrong with the Trump administration's efforts to end the war? And and do you read that the Iranian leaders

47:27 I don't know if I would say loco or crazy, but they are they I mean, they believe in some pretty extreme theological

47:34 beliefs.

47:35 And

47:36 is it possible you Wait. Did he say Iranian

47:38 people or Iranian leaders? I mean,

47:40 The Iranian leaders Oh, leaders. Okay. I don't know if I would say loco or crazy, but they they are they I mean, they believe in some pretty extreme theological

47:49 beliefs and

47:50 is it possible you you can't negotiate with them? Well, as you know, we did negotiate with them in the Obama administration. And we had a deal that We sent them money.

48:00 Wasn't as broad and as strong as some of us would've liked, but nonetheless

48:05 put a cap on the Iranian nuclear program, and president Trump,

48:09 ripped that up in his first term.

48:12 We were trying to get back to that.

48:14 And president Trump himself in the second term was trying to negotiate with,

48:18 frankly, an Iranian leader who had once before reached an agreement with The United States. Instead, we

48:25 bumped him off, and now we have a far more extreme set of leaders who have to prove themselves to each other.

48:32 And frankly, if we're not willing to exact more pain on the Iranians, I mean, we, as part of this deal, immediately sanction

48:40 relieved sanction pressure on them and allow them to sell oil again and to make money, Why should they come to the table? Why should they agree to anything?

48:50 Well,

48:50 of course. Whose shot side is she on? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Sure. It sounds like she's on the other side. Of course,

48:58 Scott Besson immediately

49:00 forbid them from selling oil. We've got, oh, no sanctions. And it's not just strikes going back and forth, is it? The US has also reimposed oil sanctions on Iran? Yes.

49:10 The US's initial response, and we heard about this really just before those later strikes, was to revoke a license which temporarily

49:17 lifted some sanctions on Iran as part of the memorandum of understanding Oh, take that, Vicky Newland. Into the cessation

49:25 of hostilities.

49:26 That's when these

49:27 sanctions were were first brought into effect. But the sanctions waiver had allowed the Islamic Republic to produce, sell, and deliver

49:36 oil. So it was a key part of the process to get to the next stage of the negotiations between The US and Iran with the big issues, nuclear weapons still to be resolved.

49:48 Yeah. So also from Frodeba,

49:50 then it was very clear that

49:52 no one has really been hurt in Iran.

49:55 You know, the population

49:56 is okay.

49:58 And there's still more hijabs in

50:01 Amsterdam than there are in Tehran,

50:04 and they're actually building new that right? Yeah. Oh, that students don't wear them. Oh, that's over.

50:11 It really I think the people

50:14 have

50:15 shown the political

50:17 leadership what they want. And I I I think the You talk about it in Iran. In Iran. Yeah. And I think that the Meanwhile,

50:24 in Amsterdam, they're wearing the hijabs all over the place. Well, that's the Red Green Alliance. It's this is the place. This is where the Muslims literally are

50:32 running the cities.

50:36 Everywhere.

50:38 It's over here. It's over.

50:41 That's

50:42 it's over.

50:44 But in in Tehran,

50:47 it's the IRGC or as Trump says, the IRGJ.

50:51 It's the Imperial Revolutionary Guard of Japan.

50:57 He does himself no favors with that. That's when people come to me, hey, man, your guy your guy is no good. He's demented.

51:04 He's got Alzheimer's.

51:05 He's cheating at soccer.

51:09 Yeah. Well, we all make mistakes.

51:12 That was a doozy though. That was that was quite the doozy.

51:18 Oh, man. He's been making a few of those now and again, but he's always done that.

51:23 But let's let's go to some let's do some overview stuff with Yeah. You got some anal

51:28 anal clips?

51:29 Well, first of all, let's start with these Al

51:32 Jazeera clips. Okay.

51:34 Trump NATO overview.

51:37 Summit in Ankara has ended with new pledges of support for Ukraine and defense spending, but divisions remain over wider security challenges,

51:45 including Iran and Turkey's defense ambitions.

51:49 Sen Koshyoglu reports from Ankara. US president Donald Trump who used the final hours of the NATO summit in Ankara with a new promise on Ukraine.

51:58 The US will license Patriot missile production,

52:01 giving Kyiv another boost to its air defenses.

52:05 It was the clearest announcement from a summit that also delivered something many allies had been looking for, Trump's renewed commitment to NATO. We're

52:14 gonna give a license to you to make

52:16 patriots. That's pretty cool. Right? This way you can't complain that we're not giving them enough. Said, make them yourself.

52:24 Trimst County believes Russia and Ukraine are Love that. What did he say? He gives he gives a license. We're giving you a license to make that pay make them yourself. You want missiles?

52:33 Here. Here's a license. Here's a here's a blueprint.

52:36 Make them yourself. Well, act actually, I I looked into that.

52:40 The way it goes

52:42 is they have to have a subsidiary

52:45 of

52:46 who makes them? Northrop?

52:48 Not sure who makes them. So No. No. I think it's it's

52:52 I see think it's Raytheon.

52:54 So they get the license to do it, but the license goes to a joint venture company

53:00 that is co owned and co operated by the manufacturer here in America. Yeah. You want that. Otherwise, you Of just course. Build

53:07 the design. Of course. So the license is, you know, it's not like, you know, sign here and you're good to Yeah.

53:16 True. But it's still a license. Yeah. They still get to make them there. Yes. But with with our people in the room

53:24 and that takes Yeah. To make sure they don't steal to design. Sure. It takes a bit to get that all going. So that's not gonna be done for a while. You do. The war will be I I would predict

53:34 Mhmm. That the war will be over

53:36 before they actually make one missile.

53:39 Oh, I'll I'll take that bet because I got I got some other clips after we go through these of yours.

53:44 Patriots, that's pretty cool. Right? Larry. This way you can't complain that we're not giving them enough. Said, make them yourself.

53:51 Trump said he believes Russia and Ukraine are moving closer to negotiations.

53:56 In a while, and I'm gonna Leaders also backed their political commitments with money, pledging nearly $80,000,000,000

54:02 in military support for Ukraine next year with a matching commitment for 2027

54:07 while announcing more than 50,000,000,000

54:10 in new NATO's defense procurements.

54:13 But the summit was also shaped by tensions with Iran.

54:16 Trump insisted the exchange of attacks would not spiral into a wider conflict.

54:21 I don't think so. I think it anything that happens is gonna be over very quickly and will only and will only make it safer, including for oil. Turkish

54:31 president Recep Tayyip Erdogan is hoping it helps secure the f 35 jets Ankara paid for and the path back into the program.

54:40 Regarding

54:43 the f 30 fives, mister Trump actually has a positive approach towards Turkiye. God willing, when the f 30 fives are delivered to Turkiye,

54:52 the whole world will say that America kept its promise.

54:57 They won't. Probably

54:59 not. The whole world's not gonna say anything. No. I don't think so either. Who cares about it? You know, I mean, I don't even know why they're so well, there's something going on with those f 30 fives, but Yeah. Let's skip to

55:11 the more,

55:12 kinda the kinda

55:14 the issues that were going on in with Trump

55:17 condemning NATO and trying to get out some of these other things, at least as interpreted by some of these news organizations.

55:24 This is Trump versus NATO one. Thank you, Richard. The NATO summit is winding down after a bumpy two days of high stakes diplomatic meetings in Ankara.

55:33 Since Trump took office again last year, tension has only grown over Ukraine, over Iran, Arctic security,

55:40 and president Trump's highly transactional view of global alliances. One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said,

55:47 well, sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia,

55:51 will you protect us? I said, you didn't pay? You're delinquent?

55:56 He said, yes. Let's say that happened. No. I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills. I think it's common sense. Right? If they don't pay, I'm not gonna defend them. No. I'm not gonna defend them. I got into a lot of heat when I said that. He said, oh, he's violating NATO.

56:15 We're defending the straight for everybody else. And then in the case of, NATO,

56:21 they don't wanna help us defend the straight, and they're the ones that need it. We're very disappointed with NATO

56:27 because NATO has done absolutely nothing. I said twenty five years ago that NATO is a paper tiger, but

56:34 more importantly, that we'll come to their rescue, but they will never come to ours. We were disappointed with UK. We were disappointed with Germany and France.

56:43 We're disappointed with

56:45 most of I just want loyalty. You know, we we're so loyal to them.

56:49 We're always fighting for them. We have

56:52 thousands of troops all over Europe. In Germany, we have 50,000 troops, and then you want a little

56:57 give us a little nudge, give us a little kiss. We don't want much. Since taking office, NATO secretary general Mark Ruta has set to work trying to keep Trump engaged with the alliance with an unabashed charm offensive. He recently headed into the Oval Office armed with large charts crediting the president for a massive spike in spending by NATO allies.

57:17 But despite the relentless praise from Ruta, the existential question remains, can America's allies successfully repair and maintain ties with this Trump administration

57:27 while still preserving their own independence on the world stage? I can't believe they didn't play a sound bite of Ruta. That guy is television gold.

57:36 I don't know. This is Al Jazeera. No. So I got I So got the one thing that's that's always left kinda left out

57:42 is that one of the reasons Trump's so irked

57:45 is that

57:47 during this Iranian

57:49 incursion,

57:50 you know, they had their couple of aircraft carriers, and they wanted to

57:55 refuel them like in Spain Mhmm.

57:58 And some other ports. And the Spanish

58:01 no. We don't wanna see that aircraft carrier here anywhere around here. Do you have this the Spain bit? Well, this is old. I mean, this was, like, at the very beginning of the world. But do you have the bit from the press conference about Spain?

58:14 Oh, let me let me play it for you. This Yeah. Play it. This is fantastic. I spoke to Germany. I spoke to France. Because this this this part was in your Al Jazeera piece, but not the Spain bit. Again,

58:25 a disservice. I don't get it. Yeah. A disservice to their viewers. I spoke to Germany. I spoke to France. I spoke to

58:32 UK.

58:34 I spoke to Italy. I spoke to I didn't speak to Spain. Spain is a wasted cause.

58:39 We don't wanna do any trade business with Spain anymore, by the way. I'd like you to cut it off. Spain

58:44 a

58:45 a terrible partner in NATO.

58:48 They don't participate.

58:49 They don't pay.

58:51 I don't want anything to do with Spain. Cut off all trade with Spain, please. Please. Including

58:57 visits.

58:57 Nothing. Okay. We don't want anything to do. Watch them watch them come running back. Uh-oh. They'll come running back. They treat this man terribly.

59:06 Budrito? This man's a good man too. Great man. Great man. They're lucky to have him. Yeah. But Spain

59:12 doesn't agree to anything,

59:14 and you shouldn't carry him. I mean, you sort of automatically carry because you're you're protecting your area. So they're there. So they probably figured they have to protect us. Right?

59:22 But, we don't have to. We don't have to trade with them. I don't wanna do any more trade with them. Alright? Okay. Yes. Immediately. Don't even talk to them. Yes, They're they're hopeless.

59:31 Bad people because,

59:33 you know, they they have everybody else going and paying and working

59:36 in Spain, in particular Spain. There are a couple of others, but in particular Spain,

59:41 they're open about it. They're hostile about it.

59:44 And,

59:45 let's see how hustle they remain when they call up and they, please, please, we wanna trade with you, sir. We wanna trade with you, sir.

59:53 They make so much money with us and we're gonna see that they make a lot less. I want no business with them. I just like who's just talking to people off camera. Cut it off. Cut off all trade with them. No more visits. No more visitation for you. You can't visit our country, Spain. No. You're not coming in.

1:00:09 Fantastic.

1:00:10 Why don't they play that? That was a a terrific

1:00:13 yes.

1:00:15 I only heard part of that, but now that I hear the whole thing, I'm gonna give you a clip of the day. Here we go. Bend over, everybody.

1:00:22 Clip of the day. Without

1:00:24 you begging for it. I'd so I had I had my finger on the button.

1:00:29 So yeah. So, yes,

1:00:31 this is the

1:00:33 issue. He's got an issue,

1:00:35 and this was this was, to me,

1:00:39 suppressed news.

1:00:40 Why though? Yes.

1:00:42 Well, there's the question we have to try to figure out. Why was that suppressed?

1:00:48 Nobody that's listening to this show heard any of that No. Except on this show. No.

1:00:53 And it should have been the top of the news.

1:00:57 I think so. Above the fold, as they say.

1:01:01 Let me do it. But no. We got nothing. There was in fact, in we showed by the clips that I played, they cut it out. Yeah. They did not it that's the that's the kicker of all that's the that's the look.

1:01:13 You want people watching your news or not?

1:01:16 That's what people watch for. Oh, Trump.

1:01:19 To some yeah. Well, they're doing there's that's because there's an alternate there's some something going on. Let's play part two

1:01:26 of the Trump versus NATO.

1:01:28 Let me see. Yeah. Actually, says three, but it's No. But you have you have Trump versus NATO t Oh, there is two. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. What might a potential reset mean for global defense? Richard Gaisford has this report. Five through six on bravo.

1:01:42 US marines in action in Eastern Europe last week Yes.

1:01:47 On a joint training exercise with Romanian counterparts.

1:01:51 It's all part of ongoing NATO cooperation

1:01:55 that, for more than seven decades, has seen members ready to fight together

1:01:59 against a common enemy. Turkey. The treaty was agreed right here in Washington DC back in 1949

1:02:07 with 12 countries coming together to sign it inside the historic building behind me. Now times might have changed, but a bit like the facade of the auditorium here,

1:02:18 the ethos of NATO has stayed pretty much the same. Although it's unlikely those who created NATO would have thought one of the biggest threats to its existence could have come from inside America itself.

1:02:32 Since he first took office, Donald Trump shown to staying for the long standing alliance,

1:02:37 believing smaller countries have become reliant on The United States and were unwilling to fund their own defense. NATO

1:02:44 members must finally contribute

1:02:47 their fair share

1:02:48 and meet

1:02:50 their financial obligations.

1:02:52 But 23 of the 28 member nations

1:02:55 are still not paying what they should be paying

1:02:58 and what they are supposed to be paying for their defense. This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of The United States. The president's ever shifting stance on supporting Ukraine's

1:03:09 certainly tested nerves within NATO. Ever shifting stance? I don't think it's ever shifting.

1:03:15 Is it ever shifting?

1:03:19 Not that I can tell. I don't think so. For their defense. This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of The United States. The president's ever shifting stance on supporting Ukraine's

1:03:30 certainly tested nerves within NATO. Thousand US With its secretary general doing what he can in the president's second term to keep him on size. Here we go. I don't have many,

1:03:40 disagreements with the president of state. No. Unity's been stretched Really? Trump's desire to take control of Greenland.

1:03:47 And NATO's gotta understand that

1:03:50 I'm all for NATO. I saved NATO. If it weren't for me, you wouldn't have a NATO right now.

1:03:55 But we're not gonna allow Russia or China to occupy Greenland and that's what's going to happen if we don't.

1:04:02 Okay. I have to That's an old hold on. That's an old clip.

1:04:05 That's an old clip. Yep. And this the whole thing is brought to the fore

1:04:10 by Macron out of the blue. Mhmm.

1:04:13 And it during these meetings saying, well, you know, if we were ready to send our troops to fight The USA

1:04:19 in in Greenland if it was necessary. Yeah. McCrone is on the outs here. Everyone else is kinda sucking up. Totally on the outs. I gotta play thirty seconds of Ruta. I just gotta play it. We no one's Oh, yeah. Okay. Play Ruta. I know you just No one is playing him. He Spices up the show. Nobody nobody's playing Mark. Here in Ankara, I Ankara? Nations to present clear Yes. Concrete,

1:04:41 incredible plants Plants. We want plants and your money. To reach that 5% goal. 5%.

1:04:48 And the evidence we see so far Yes. Is impressive. Impressive. I had a good visit last week with

1:04:54 president Trump. I showed my PowerPoint. I called him trillion dollar Trumpy, and it's great. And we discussed

1:05:00 the staggering increase in Staggering. Spending by Europeans and Canadians. I Good. Of course, this is because of Putin and Russia Of course. And Ukraine, but also because he He is. President Trump has been extremely forceful, encouraging us to do this. Yes. Forceful to encourage us to do it. You better do it. Yes? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Very good.

1:05:20 Very good.

1:05:22 That was it. I just need to play that. Yeah. Okay. But you you continue with this.

1:05:27 Number three? Yeah. NATO three. Yes. Yeah? NATO launched Arctic Sentry to reassure leaders in The US and Europe that it could maintain high levels of vigilance in the area.

1:05:39 Although weeks later, there was further friction when NATO members declined to offer help in The US conflict with Iran,

1:05:46 refusing to send warships into the Strait Of Hormuz.

1:05:50 Because we don't need them, but they should have been there. That's reinforced Trump's view of a one-sided alliance,

1:05:56 prompting a now familiar refrain. But we weren't treated well

1:06:00 because we did something in Iran. We don't need anybody's help. I

1:06:05 didn't even want their help.

1:06:08 Before I asked, they said they wouldn't be there. But,

1:06:11 you know, why are we spending

1:06:13 hundreds of billions of dollars

1:06:15 and they're not there for us? We've always been there for them. This is coalition worship foxtrot three one zero operating in support of the United Nations Security Council resolution. Allies hope promises to increase their defense spending will help smooth the way as NATO members meet.

1:06:33 But leaders know based on recent experience

1:06:36 under the surface, tensions could easily emerge.

1:06:40 Richard Gatesford, Al Jazeera,

1:06:42 Washington.

1:06:44 Now Now go to the analysis clip, which would be my last one. Okay. Let's see here.

1:06:50 Anal. Anal. Here we go. Oops. We're joined now by Jim Townsend, the former US deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO policy, as well as ambassador Michael Carpenter, who was most recently the senior director for Europe on the National Security Council under president Joe Biden. Gentlemen, thank you both so much for for joining us today. It was a remarkable,

1:07:09 NATO summit in Ankara, and I wanna start with the news.

1:07:13 Repeated

1:07:14 blasting of NATO by Trump despite the fact that this is meant to be an event that shows the unity, the solidarity of the alliance repeatedly saying I'm not happy with NATO.

1:07:24 He went after Spain repeatedly,

1:07:26 France,

1:07:27 Great Britain, and Germany. Jim, this acrimony from Trump towards,

1:07:33 the NATO alliance not even softening when he's sitting in front of the secretary general in the warm embrace of all these allies. Well,

1:07:41 And the secretary general had to keep a stony face

1:07:44 as he was listening to what the president was saying.

1:07:47 So this is something that

1:07:49 is Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Are they saying that Mark Ruta that he he had to keep a stony face because he disagrees and thinks our president is stupid?

1:07:58 That's what kinda what they implied.

1:08:00 He loves Trump.

1:08:02 Yeah. I know. And and he's We've proven that. He's the top sales guy.

1:08:07 Trump loves him.

1:08:09 Yeah. That's crazy. Al Jazeera. Yeah. Allies. Well, absolutely. And the secretary general had to keep a stony face

1:08:16 as he was listening to what the president was saying. And so this is something that,

1:08:22 is is is gotten outrageous.

1:08:24 He has just a stuck record. He just came seems to repeat the same talking points over and over and over again. Now he's singling out nations,

1:08:33 you know, Yep. In front of

1:08:35 He's a stuck record. I thought he was all over the map.

1:08:38 He's inconsistent. He's

1:08:40 saying one thing, then saying another, then saying another. But now he's a stuck record?

1:08:45 It's it's it's unbelievable. Make up your minds, people. You you really notice it here in this country?

1:08:51 Do you notice how stuck everybody is? I mean, we have a lot of that in our news media

1:08:57 and

1:08:58 people who I mean, it's pop it's

1:09:02 I wonder how how You're referring to you're referring to Holland. Yes. Holland. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how to frame it.

1:09:09 And you

1:09:10 people will approach me, friends,

1:09:12 family, people I don't even know,

1:09:15 and they immediately assume

1:09:17 that you are going to take on the, yeah, Trump's crazy Roma eyes.

1:09:22 And if you say, well, you know, there's a couple things he's doing,

1:09:26 then it breaks, you know, you you break through so easily, but everybody,

1:09:31 everybody

1:09:33 has this they're afraid to give their opinion.

1:09:37 And we're not Trump lovers.

1:09:39 First of I think he's great for the show,

1:09:41 that we've always said that, and it's gonna be a sad day when he's gone, when they take him out, you know, take him out.

1:09:51 But

1:09:52 just everywhere. It's so rampant. What is this mind control that people are afraid

1:09:57 to just say, well, he sucks there

1:10:00 and that's dumb, but, you know, we don't have any immigrants who are getting rid of them and we don't have the stupid climate change and they you just have to say those two things in any country in Europe.

1:10:11 Well, yes, that's you're true. That's true. That's true. Yes. You know, I I do have a problem with that here in this country. Okay.

1:10:19 But what is that? What is this has this always existed?

1:10:23 Or is this just worse than it's ever been? The whole world cannot

1:10:27 they're afraid to say any anything positive.

1:10:33 Well, you've you've Are stumped you. You've kind of introduced a

1:10:39 question

1:10:40 that is

1:10:42 not easily answerable. I think it always has

1:10:46 existed. It's hard to notice.

1:10:50 I think there's an underlying thing. I mean, reminds me,

1:10:53 I mean, at least twenty or thirty years ago,

1:10:56 it was at one of these big conferences

1:10:59 and I was talking to some

1:11:03 CEO

1:11:04 of a very large company. You won't mention

1:11:08 his name? Well, can't if I could remember his name or the company, I would. Okay. But it was thirty years ago. Fair game. Fair game.

1:11:16 So

1:11:18 and it was about some green energy, some degree. They had made an announcement about

1:11:23 the climate change. It was one of its

1:11:27 little peak moments.

1:11:28 And I said, I went up to the guy and said, you know, it's interesting you guys are doing this, but do you really think I mean, I I think climate change is a hoax of not or some sort of just

1:11:41 a of scam. I can't figure out what. An op.

1:11:44 I didn't use the term then because I wasn't I wasn't that Right. Right. Right. Into the scene.

1:11:50 And

1:11:51 the guy said, the guy just was quick without missing a beat. He says, oh, yeah. We know it's bullshit.

1:11:56 Yeah. Right. Exactly.

1:11:59 Exactly.

1:12:00 The troll room is making some good points that this was that COVID was the the point where this happened

1:12:07 because anyone I mean, it was so strong if you were against

1:12:11 what was happening,

1:12:13 everybody,

1:12:14 politicians, the media, your neighbors, your it broke up families.

1:12:19 I think that's where this came from. That's that's a reasonable point that that was the Well, I think it's always been there, but maybe that's maybe it's exaggerated because Yeah. I think so. It it it cranked it up. Yeah. And now That's yeah. I I can say. Yeah. Like, that that works. Funny enough, that's the one thing

1:12:36 that people now even hear saying, yeah, that was bullcrap.

1:12:40 That made no sense. Yeah. But the shots are still out there. I'll get to that in a moment. He just seems to repeat the same talking points over and over and over again. Now he's singling out nations,

1:12:52 you know, in front of them and this this this is in this undercuts the alliance that hurts unity and it is embarrassing to The United States and I think allies are tired of it. Michael, the most recent thing to anger Trump when it comes to NATO is the fact that they didn't get involved in the war with Iran, which of course The US and and Israel started. How are these NATO allies dealing with this accusation that they should have had a bigger role?

1:13:16 Well, I think they're pushing back as they should. I mean, NATO is a defensive alliance. It doesn't go on offensive wars.

1:13:23 What?

1:13:25 We don't What about Libya?

1:13:27 We don't go on offensive explain Libya. We don't do that. No. He we came. He's we saw He died. We saw he died. Where is where is my girl?

1:13:38 McDeath.

1:13:39 Not her name. Oh, here we go. Yeah. I always love playing her. Oh, it's so I mean, that is the land of unconfirmed

1:13:45 movies. We came, we saw,

1:13:47 he died.

1:13:49 Oh,

1:13:52 I'm sure it is. We killed him.

1:13:54 I love it. Okay.

1:13:57 So now back to my fun loving clips

1:14:00 so we can all have another laugh about the president

1:14:03 because he just keeps on entertaining. United

1:14:06 States president Donald Trump has reignited a bitter diplomatic food with Italy sharing a provocative social media post mocking prime minister Giorgio Meloni before a critical NATO summit in Ankara.

1:14:17 Trump uploaded an image of the two leaders on his true social media account with a sarcastic caption suggesting he needed a restraining order against her with the inflammatory post appearing on the eve of high level security meetings.

1:14:30 The Italian government has indicated that Meloni and Foreign Minister Antonio Thayani are choosing to ignore Trump's post at this time.

1:14:37 The personal dispute highlights a deep and accelerating chill in bilateral relations,

1:14:42 which began fracturing over Middle East policy, criticism of Pope Leo XIV

1:14:47 and Italy's refusal to permit American forces to use domestic airfields.

1:14:51 While Trump did not explicitly refer to it in his latest social media post, he seemed to be building on a claim of his last month that Melanie had begged him for a photo at the g seven summit.

1:15:02 Trump said that he agreed to do so out of pity, prompting a fierce response from Rome stating that neither she nor Italy ever been. I love the restraining order line. That's too good. That's just That's a beauty. Yeah. And I'm sure she thinks it's funny too. I I think she Well, let's hope so. Yeah. I think she has that humor. Okay. So

1:15:22 we do have a quote from the president about what's going on between Russia and Ukraine and I am going to state again

1:15:29 that what's happening right now, what Ukraine is doing with their drones and they're blowing stuff up in Moscow,

1:15:35 you're gonna push this guy too far and he's going to make a big boom.

1:15:39 Something Well, yeah. Hold on a second. You were predicting this boom weeks and weeks No. No. No. No. Only two shows ago.

1:15:46 Not weeks and weeks ago. No. It wasn't two shows ago. You were in you didn't do it from Holland. You did it from Texas and you were in Holland too. Okay.

1:15:55 How I mean, how how long what is the what is the time frame that I get for this?

1:16:01 What? For an a bomb being I didn't say dropped in Ukraine. I said a big boom. I didn't say an a bomb.

1:16:08 They've got these rods from God did it was an a bomb. Something big is going to this is called something bad and big is going to happen. And it's gonna be Ukraine. It won't be Europe

1:16:21 and

1:16:22 and there and this is not gonna be over. Now, here's what the president says which I I just disagree with this. Daniel, you've made a career making deals in very challenging situations.

1:16:33 Speaking to president Zelensky, speaking to president president Putin, in your view, sir, what is the most pragmatic pathway forward to finding a long term peace deal? I just think they're gonna make a deal. Okay. It's been

1:16:44 this deal has been

1:16:46 in the works for a long time.

1:16:48 It's got the pluses, the minuses. They know what it is. He knows what it is better than anybody.

1:16:54 And I just think it's it's

1:16:56 sometimes,

1:16:57 you know, I used an analogy,

1:17:00 and it sounds simple, but it's sort of true. You're you have two kids in a park, and they don't like each other, and they start fighting.

1:17:07 Sometimes you have to let them fight.

1:17:10 Let them see that

1:17:11 it's tough, you know, it's tough. Fighting is tough.

1:17:16 And

1:17:17 he's done he's done an amazing job. Look, he's been he's been very

1:17:22 effective.

1:17:24 Now he's had the best equipment because he's had our equipment.

1:17:27 And he said, great, but somebody has to use that equipment.

1:17:31 And you have a lot of brave people that are using that equipment.

1:17:36 So

1:17:37 I'm

1:17:37 I'm not a big fan of like, oh, just let them fight on because this this stuff has to end. But there's a new player. There's new things that are happening suddenly

1:17:46 and this is partially

1:17:48 the old world order coming back together to create their own liberal

1:17:54 rules based order and cut out The United States,

1:17:57 and the new player is Canada. Look, I think the,

1:18:01 the president,

1:18:03 as, as as did president Obama, which I just said to someone else,

1:18:09 is looking for a shift of the burden, within NATO. That's appropriate.

1:18:14 That is happening. That's gaining momentum. That's part of the point I made to

1:18:18 president Trump, when we spoke a few days ago is that,

1:18:23 it's not just he's winning the argument. This is carny, of course, in case you didn't know that. Yeah. He's won the argument.

1:18:28 Countries recognize

1:18:30 that,

1:18:31 they need to take more responsibility to see the direct threats. Now the question for NATO and the part of what we will discuss and part of the point I will make, in the room, with my three and a half minutes of time, so which is about

1:18:44 a quarter of the length of my normal answer, know. So I apologize. Right. Right. Right.

1:18:49 Is

1:18:51 that

1:18:53 that,

1:18:55 those shifting burdens

1:18:57 are going to be, in our view, most effectively done,

1:19:01 obviously, with greater capacity. We have to spend more. We have to build these capacities. That's what we're doing. But in ways that,

1:19:07 recognize

1:19:09 the regions in which we operate. So for Canada,

1:19:12 North America, obviously,

1:19:14 up until now, NATO has said, well, North American security, that's your problem. Well, North American security and particularly Arctic security and remind everybody that, you know, we've got 15% of the world's coastline. Arctic security is not a flank.

1:19:30 It's a front. Uh-huh. With the shift in,

1:19:33 with the shift in,

1:19:35 the threats in Russia as a direct adversary. Attention Canadians, you are being drawn into this. Attention Canadians, you're about to be hoodwinked.

1:19:43 So

1:19:44 spending there and coordinating,

1:19:46 not just Canada, but Canada, The Nordics,

1:19:48 Canada, Germany, Canada, France, Canada, The Baltics, that Canada, Germany?

1:19:53 Is Is Canada near Germany? John, let me check. Canada? Germany? Let me look. Let's take a look. Look out your window. For NATO. So that that's where the discussion in our judgment needs to go, and that is where the the planning is going. No. The planning is going there. So to understand what is going on, we bring in our resident Canadian expert in all things Ukraine,

1:20:16 my boy, Andrew Rusulis. We're joined now by Andrew Rusulis. He's a fellow with the Canadian Global Affairs Institute and a retired Department of National Defense official. Andrew, always great having you on the show. Good afternoon, Deanna. Andrew, let's talk about Canada's position in this upcoming NATO summit.

1:20:33 NATO allies, as we said, it's the unspoken agenda to manage Trump and ensure that The US indeed stays in the alliance.

1:20:41 Where do you think Canada's role is

1:20:43 in this specific context? Well, Canada's gonna be playing two roles. One is on the financial side, which is very close to our prime minister's expertise.

1:20:52 Yeah. And the other one will be, again,

1:20:55 in in light of Canada's domestic constituency,

1:20:58 you know, arguing for sustained

1:21:01 and long term

1:21:02 assistance to Ukraine

1:21:04 as Ukraine and Russia are locked in a real tough battle to see who's gonna give way before there's any room for a compromise solution or a win win solution. But we're not there yet, but that's where the prime minister will be. Yes. So what is a win win solution? Well, we know that all wars are banker wars and Mark Carney, the

1:21:24 prime prime minister or president? Prime minister. Right? Prime minister? Premier? Prime minister. Prime minister or premier? Prime minister.

1:21:31 No. He's not the premier. He's the prime minister. I just The hey. That's why there's two of us. The prime minister of Canada is a a actual banker's banker.

1:21:43 He ran the

1:21:44 the Bank of England. This is a central banker. You have a banker running the show, a banker loves to run the war, and for him it's always win win. Are we any closer to a potential

1:21:55 deal there than we were in the last few years? Well, I believe we are. The thing is that it is this war is existential

1:22:04 for Russian interests and Ukrainian interests, which is why it's taking so long

1:22:10 and so many casualties and so much effort and suffering

1:22:13 until both sides can come to a point, which they're not there yet,

1:22:17 where they can make what we we would we would need in diplomacy is a win win solution.

1:22:22 That is some kind of compromises.

1:22:24 Now for the Russians, as we know in your report, you just gave it, that Donbas, those that that the the fortress belt is fundamental

1:22:32 for Russia,

1:22:34 and it's equally fundamental So for

1:22:38 they could they need to find a way of

1:22:41 getting over that one and sort of finding some kind of a compromise that allows both sides to essentially declare victory. Now, how do we do that? We need money.

1:22:52 And we already took the Russian money, then we gave that to Ukraine.

1:22:55 We need more money. Where could we get some more money?

1:22:59 I'm thinking we could get that from the Canadian citizens. Let's talk a little bit about this $80,000,000,000

1:23:05 military aid package

1:23:07 Canada will be participating in that

1:23:10 will be likely going towards Ukraine.

1:23:12 How important is this and what do you think What? It's 80 this is yeah. This is the defense bank

1:23:20 set up by announced by Canada and NATO. No one no one talked about that.

1:23:26 The Canadian people

1:23:28 will be footing the bill or at least backing it. We'll hear that in the next clip.

1:23:32 Of $80,000,000,000.

1:23:34 Now, it's unclear if that's US dollars

1:23:37 or Canadian dollars because then it's not such a big deal. But if it's US dollars It would be still be 60,000,000,000.

1:23:43 It's a lot of money. It's allocated for. Well, it's allocated to support Ukraine's

1:23:48 strategic defense.

1:23:49 And right now, Ukraine's

1:23:52 strategic defense can be broken down to two key component parts.

1:23:56 One,

1:23:57 maintain an active defense along the 1,000 kilometers

1:24:01 and extract a greater proportion of casualties

1:24:04 of Russian troops compared to Ukrainian troops, thereby exhausting Russia's ability to find replacements. That's number one for Ukraine. Number two Number one. Is kill. Bombarding,

1:24:15 Russia in terms of its interior,

1:24:18 economy Bomber. Particularly the gas Bomber again. And the oil production facilities

1:24:22 to, as the Ukrainians say, bring the war to the Russian people. And so by so doing, they hope to wear down political

1:24:31 support in Russia for the war, which still generally is above 50%

1:24:36 in favor of of fighting and and and winning against Ukraine. Yes. There's a way to go on that one. But there are lineups of gas stations, and, you know, a deal would be welcome. But again, it's Russia cannot be seen to be losing. And we have seen those attacks, within Russia, indeed, attacks on the city of Moscow. That's something that Russia has not seen in, in decades and decades. I am telling you now, Canadian citizens,

1:25:01 our northern neighbors,

1:25:03 we do love you. We really the ones who listen to this show at least.

1:25:07 You're on the hook for this. And the big boom, why why wouldn't Moscow just blow up Canada? We could take out, you know, what what's what's a what's a spot we could take out in Canada that would make sense?

1:25:20 That would make sense? Yeah.

1:25:22 For Russia. Yeah. They're they're hitting their their oil and gas stuff. So what where's the oil and gas?

1:25:29 Yeah. But it

1:25:30 well, the a couple pipelines would probably make sense. Well, listen to this deal that Canada is going to put together with the banker's banker, Mark Carney. Let's talk a little bit about back to sort of Canada's role. I mean, we know that there's potential discussion of setting up a global defense

1:25:48 bank. We know that,

1:25:50 you know, Carney is coming into this meeting after that Davos speech about the importance of middle powers.

1:25:56 Talk to us about the global defense bank. What would this look like, and what kind of a potential leadership role could Canada have within it? Well, this is a natural for the prime minister given his banking background. Yep. So what the what the defense bank is, and it's not a done deal yet, and there's gonna be a lot of discussion

1:26:15 in Anchor over this one, but basically,

1:26:18 it's think of it like a world bank, but a a world bank for defense spending. So basically,

1:26:24 what Canada's trying to do is get a certain number of countries, I don't know the critical mass that's required,

1:26:30 and they put in money,

1:26:31 which then allows

1:26:33 the the bank, which would be based in Canada. Okay. That's already been decided. They don't know which city, and then they would give cheap or inexpensive

1:26:42 loans

1:26:43 to certain countries that need to make equipment purchases and so on. So it's kind of like like, as I say, a World Bank that makes procurement

1:26:52 easier, but you need to have a core funding base for that, and that's where they have not crossed the line yet. There's not enough people. There are some countries that have signed up, but the numbers, the critical mass has not yet been reached, and the prime minister is working very hard at doing that. And, you know, I read in these, like, conservative tree house,

1:27:12 Oh, these horrible Lindsey Graham and all these senators, they're they're going over to Ankara. What are they doing there, the warmongers?

1:27:20 They're sales guys. They see $90,000,000,000

1:27:23 worth that Canada is going to spend on defense and Lindsey Graham wants it to come to Boeing in South Carolina.

1:27:30 This is this is what this is about,

1:27:32 a boot. Oh, yeah. All that money's coming down here. It's coming to us. Yeah. Everyone's collecting.

1:27:38 I it's I mean,

1:27:40 this is when you have a We have a crappy

1:27:44 education system.

1:27:46 But our media isn't quite that bad. I mean, is anyone in Canada up in arms about this?

1:27:52 I think they should be.

1:27:54 They should be. They should be. It's just like, wow. Wow. I mean, I I don't wanna change the topic, but since we're talking about Canada Sure. Talking about being up in arms, I think that this clip I have Mhmm. Which is about their death cult going on. The

1:28:10 maid program?

1:28:12 Yeah. This is a one of the

1:28:15 I think one of the representatives

1:28:17 in in

1:28:18 although they're they're they don't have meetings anymore, it turns out that Carney's just calling all the shots and there's no legislation going on at all. I want to draw attention to Canada. Sorry.

1:28:27 Yeah. But I want to this is a

1:28:29 bit bit clip play. I want to draw attention to three concerns

1:28:32 about the widening scope of euthanasia in Canada.

1:28:35 These are not concerns from the fringes, but statements from a member of a provincial medical college, recommendations before parliament,

1:28:42 and the reality of MAiD right now in Canada. And most Canadians are not yet aware of the extent of the horror.

1:28:49 The first concern is about a statement regarding infants.

1:28:52 A member of the Quebec College of Physicians has formally stated that MAID may be an appropriate treatment for babies from birth to one year of age who come into the world with severe deformities

1:29:02 and very serious syndromes, and that parents should have the opportunity to obtain this care for their infant.

1:29:10 Canadian law currently permits the withdrawal of life sustaining treatment for critically ill newborns.

1:29:16 This medical practitioner's proposal goes further. He calls for the calculated killing of an infant. These are patients,

1:29:23 babies,

1:29:23 who cannot speak, cannot consent,

1:29:26 and cannot ask for help. If we cannot draw the line here, I'm not sure where medical professionals imagine the line to be. The second is our proposal regarding mature minors.

1:29:36 A report by the Special Joint Committee on Medical Assistance in Medical Assistance in Dying, Ahmed,

1:29:41 has recommended extending MAID to children with parent without

1:29:46 with parental consent described as optional. A physician,

1:29:49 not a child's parent, would determine whether a child is able to consent to his own death. In this discussion, MAID advocates showed their true colors and defended the rationale for euthanizing minors without consulting their parents.

1:30:01 Yet 43 expert witnesses called this recommendation deeply flawed. I might call it something stronger. The third concern is euthanasia on demand. Ontario's chief coroner has documented MAID deaths driven not by illness, but by poverty,

1:30:14 loneliness, and lack of housing. Approximately half of those who died by MAID in 2024

1:30:19 reported requesting it because they felt like a burden to their families,

1:30:24 friends, or caregivers.

1:30:26 These are not necessarily people dying of terminal illness. These are Canadians failed by a system that chose to offer them lethal injection

1:30:34 rather than the support and hope they needed to live.

1:30:37 Okay. Now you really bummed me out. I was having a good time. I was having a pretty good time on the show.

1:30:43 I mean, is this is

1:30:46 how about just just

1:30:48 try Jesus for one second,

1:30:50 you know, at least before you go to that extreme. They're doing that here too. I believe it's 12 year olds up to 12 without

1:30:58 or starting at 12 without parental consent can euthanize themselves

1:31:03 if you're depressed or not having a good day. Know that to be true. In The Netherlands? Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's Oh, there. Are you when you say that? I'm sorry. You Yeah. I'm here. I'm I'm in Amsterdam. I'm sorry. Yeah. I know. I I sorry. I can't. No. It's okay. It sounds like you're right next door. I know. It's Oh, so they're doing that in in Holland too? Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, that's no good. No. It's horrible.

1:31:25 This is like a this is like a suicide cult.

1:31:30 It I

1:31:33 I don't even have words for it.

1:31:35 It's like this seems like there's so many more options

1:31:39 before you I mean, how do you get into that mental state? A shock hop. Thank

1:31:46 you. Other than

1:31:48 the whole culture

1:31:50 is telling you it's okay to do this

1:31:54 with,

1:31:55 I guess, incessant media support.

1:31:59 The media should be pushing back on this. You would hope. The media is totally irresponsible You would hope.

1:32:06 I mean, are they just were just a bunch of ghouls

1:32:09 that have no no feelings whatsoever for their fellow man?

1:32:14 I guess.

1:32:16 It it it this it actually kind of disturbs me. It's it's like Well, should. Yeah. It's not okay.

1:32:23 I've been sitting on this clip forever. Yes. Well, I've been sitting on one of these clips for several weeks.

1:32:29 It because every every every show comes up in my prep and it doesn't come up and and and it's about time we talk about

1:32:36 cyclospora.

1:32:37 I mean, we just gotta talk about it. Health officials are monitoring a growing outbreak of a parasitic infection in several states, including Virginia and North Carolina.

1:32:46 It's called psychopariasis,

1:32:48 and there have been at least three hundred cases in Michigan, the most in The US. At least twenty people have been hospitalized,

1:32:55 and doctors say the illness comes from drinking water and food infected with the parasite,

1:33:00 like fresh veggies or produce Veggies. One of the symptoms. Veggies. Symptoms can be pretty debilitating,

1:33:06 including that explosive diarrhea. What's particularly scary about this parasite, cyclospora,

1:33:11 is you can't see or smell or taste it. So if water, fruits, or vegetables are contaminated,

1:33:17 you're not actually going to know.

1:33:20 Now to protect yourself from infection, thoroughly wash your produce even if it says that it's been prewashed and do not drink water when swimming.

1:33:28 So

1:33:29 the the key line here is explosive

1:33:32 diarrhea.

1:33:34 And, you know, the joke's almost right themself, but no one's doing it.

1:33:38 You know, I mean,

1:33:40 I don't again, we should be running some of these news organizations. I mean, CDC has issued a code brown. I mean, you could do anything you want.

1:33:49 CDC has issued a travel advisory with its own exit strategy. I

1:33:53 mean, you could Yeah. You're right there. Yeah. You're right. Wash your produce people or at least clear your calendar.

1:34:01 I mean, come on.

1:34:04 What is this? Have you has this ever existed in our lives before? The cyclospora

1:34:08 with explosive

1:34:09 diarrhea?

1:34:11 And and And we'd have to do some research to find out what the hell is going on here Explosive because

1:34:16 I mean, it could be something created in a lab for all we know. It well, it could be. It's a horror it's a it's a nasty one.

1:34:23 Explosive diarrhea.

1:34:26 I mean

1:34:28 No. What yeah. And debilitating,

1:34:30 I guess, is the keyword. Yeah. Well, no kidding. It's just like, wow. Okay.

1:34:36 Explosive diary. This is around this sort of thing.

1:34:40 It's time for the for whatever girls. The forever girls. Whatever. I don't have any forever girls Okay.

1:34:46 Alright. But I do have a Covid vaccine

1:34:49 story in Australia that McCullough gives that I thought was worth repeating.

1:34:54 In fact, AI could be used to study the conformational

1:34:58 changes in the spike protein. The spike protein, when it folds, it exposes different regions to produce antibodies.

1:35:05 So an opportunity,

1:35:06 for misadventure

1:35:08 was shown in

1:35:09 a Australian vaccine. You know, one of the early Australian spike protein antigenic vaccines exposed the region of the spike protein that has homology with HIV,

1:35:20 and all of the Australian human subjects turned HIV positive

1:35:25 after getting their experimental COVID vaccine that was back in 2021.

1:35:31 So this is astounding

1:35:33 that the COVID vaccine,

1:35:35 you know, campaign and the empire that it's become has had so many missteps and has produced, you know, commercially grossly unsafe and completely ineffective vaccines.

1:35:47 Yeah.

1:35:48 I think he's just

1:35:50 talking to the wind. I don't see Oh, It's over. Anything ever coming up. But there is, I think, another serious side effect of the COVID vaccines

1:36:00 that is just now starting to play out and it always happens when it happens to a celebrity.

1:36:05 TGA.

1:36:06 Journalist and former Today anchor Katie Curry is revealing a recent health scare that caused her to experience short term memory loss. She wrote about it on her Substack calling it, quote, the day I'll never remember. In it, she describes a recent Saturday, a couple Saturdays ago when she was in Colorado

1:36:23 at the Aspen Ideas Festival. I actually was there as well, had a nice conversation with Katie the night before all of this. Katie says it was a Saturday morning. She went to grab a hot dog with her husband at the festival before she was set to moderate two panels,

1:36:37 but that's the last thing I remember. Katie couldn't remember the month or the year. And when she was asked who was president, she believed it was Joe Biden, and it was 2024.

1:36:48 Katie says the memory loss only lasted for that period of the day. She was later diagnosed with something called transient global amnesia.

1:36:56 So this so when I first heard this, I'm like, well, you know,

1:37:01 we all have our moments. She's 69.

1:37:05 Well, she's also a podcaster now. Oh. And this is good publicity.

1:37:09 Well,

1:37:10 you would think. But then when I heard the same news model,

1:37:14 who I am sure is also vaxxed to the hilt,

1:37:18 sorry for those who have

1:37:20 accepted the vaccine into their lives.

1:37:22 She's had it too. And here to help us understand a little more about that diagnosis is NBC News medical reporter,

1:37:28 doctor Akshay Sail. Doctor Sail, it does sound pretty frightening. And at first, Katie's husband and doctors thought that she might have had a stroke. They said initiate stroke protocol in the hospital,

1:37:39 but she didn't. What is transient global amnesia?

1:37:43 How common or rare is it? It's it's you know, it can be a really frightening condition, Kate, but fortunately, it is benign. For those who haven't heard about it, TGA or transient global amnesia affects about five to ten per one hundred thousand people every year. I mean, it sort of consists of the sudden short term memory loss and inability to form new memories. So for example, you know, patients will often say, for, you know, could you repeat that? And they just almost don't remember asking the question and don't remember getting the answer, so they tend to need to be to repeated things over and over, unable to form those new memories, and it typically resolves within hours, about six hours or so, but definitely within twenty four hours from onset. Do we know what causes these episodes? And it can happen to anybody? There is. It could happen to anyone, Christine, but the, you know, the biggest risk factor, the most people we see this in people aged 50 to 70, it's about equally as common in between men and women. We tend to see, you know, equal parts affected. But guys, those with a history of migraines about six times more likely to have this and it's a strong correlation there. Okay. So I'm gonna put my tinfoil hat on because Katie Kirk specifically

1:38:42 talks about, oh, I I thought Joe Biden was my president. And this news model, it happened to her during election night. It's just there's too many coincidences. Yeah. I have a history of migraines and I'm just gonna tell you this actually happened to me Really? Twenty years ago. Yes. Oh, twenty years ago. Oh, that doesn't count then. Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that part.

1:39:01 I don't know.

1:39:03 I I think it's a possibility.

1:39:06 It is a everything's a possibility. Yeah. I thought she had it during election night twenty years ago. But twenty years ago. No. No. That's no good. That's no good. Does she remember that? That it was twenty years ago? That's a pretty good memory. It doesn't matter because we have other issues which could be vax induced. Infertility has been rising over the last few years especially among women aged 35 to 49 years according to new research published in The Lancet.

1:39:33 Cases of infertility among women in this age group will approach eighty million by 2036,

1:39:40 a sharp rise from around fifty three million in 2023

1:39:44 with the sharpest increase expected among women aged 35 to 39.

1:39:49 The authors note this is mainly driven by age related declines in eggs reserve and their ability to fertilize, which reduce fecundity,

1:39:57 increase miscarriage risk, and lower the success rates of assisted reproductive technologies.

1:40:03 Analyzing data from You the global burden of disease can't understand it?

1:40:08 No. The guy's a mumbler and he's got some weird accent I can't pick up on. Well, is always Euronase. Don't know what he's talking about.

1:40:17 That

1:40:19 eighty million women

1:40:21 will be infertile

1:40:22 in their fertile years over the next five years. This huge Oh, there's vaxxes. Huge

1:40:28 infertility

1:40:31 epidemic,

1:40:31 I would say.

1:40:33 Oh, they they they got what they wanted.

1:40:36 They always wanted to kill us off.

1:40:38 Yeah. Well, you know, the white the population worldwide white population is only 8%.

1:40:44 Well, they wanna kill everybody. I don't think it's a color thing. They just wanna kill everybody off. Yeah. But the whites have gotta go. Have you Hey.

1:40:53 Wait a minute. Let me call the boys from the Patriot Front. Oh, wait. That's the wrong guys. That's the wrong guys. So I

1:40:59 do have an Ebola clip, I do want I also wanna ask you it it's not going to ask Adam, but

1:41:06 what's what are the two largest cities in the world do you think?

1:41:11 The two largest cities in the world? Yeah. In terms of population.

1:41:15 It's

1:41:16 gotta be something in South America. Is it Brazil?

1:41:19 Understanding is that the largest city is Mexico City at 35,000,000.

1:41:22 It's pretty big. Yeah. It's pretty big.

1:41:25 What do you think the second largest city in the world is?

1:41:29 In the world.

1:41:34 See, this is where I'd be like Buenos Aires? I don't know why I'm saying No. It's actually Dhaka,

1:41:40 Bangladesh.

1:41:41 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1:41:44 Yeah. And then here's a clip about the pollution problem they got, which it's a throwaway, but I think it's worth knowing about. For centuries, rivers surrounding Bangladesh's

1:41:53 capital were its lifelines, but the waterways on Talk about an accent. Now choking

1:41:58 with industrial waste, sewage, and rubbish. Millions of dollars have been spent on restoration projects, but the pollution is threatening public health, the environment, and the economy. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

1:42:10 Didn't we have a big,

1:42:12 back in the sixties,

1:42:14 some kind of music thing for Bangladesh?

1:42:18 Yeah. Wasn't the Beatles involved in that? Everybody was involved. I don't remember what the purpose of it Why does this stuff never work? It it's it's all just it's just to sell records, turns out. US Yeah. Africa. We know that. We are the world,

1:42:33 Band Aid,

1:42:34 Bono, anything Bono does. Farm Aid. Farm Aid. This time, Viscountry reports now from Dhaka. Bangladesh's capital Dhaka is the world's second largest city, home to nearly 37,000,000

1:42:45 people.

1:42:47 As the mega city expands, a fight to keep it livable is unfolding along the four rivers that won't sustain it. Abu Saeed says his family has farmed this land on the outskirts of Dhaka for generations,

1:42:59 but he doesn't know how much longer he'll be able to continue.

1:43:03 The

1:43:05 polluted river is damaging our paddies.

1:43:07 Often, our crops are ruined when the water seeps into our land. It's affecting the entire environment.

1:43:14 Rapid urbanization and industrial growth have outpaced authorities'

1:43:18 capacity to manage wastewater and pollution.

1:43:22 It's contaminating farmland,

1:43:23 destroying fisheries,

1:43:25 and worsening flooding,

1:43:27 as well as threatening the health of millions of people living on the riverbanks.

1:43:31 The

1:43:33 rivers around Dhaka have turned into dumping grounds. All the waste and pollution end up here. The water is black,

1:43:40 and there's still no sign of it getting cleaner. For generation, these rivers gave life to Dhaka. Today, it's carrying waste instead.

1:43:47 And unless the pollution is stopped at its sources, the city's lifeline may soon be beyond saving.

1:43:54 The World Bank says around 7,000 factories discharge an estimated 2,400,000,000

1:43:58 liters of untreated industrial waste into waterways across Greater Dhaka every day.

1:44:05 Well,

1:44:07 that's not great.

1:44:08 And I'm sad that none

1:44:11 of our

1:44:13 carefully

1:44:15 orchestrated

1:44:16 charity concerts and record projects ever work.

1:44:22 Jakarta is the world's biggest city at 42,000,000.

1:44:26 So

1:44:28 Jakarta followed by. So South America is not

1:44:32 not even in the picture. Hold on. There's something I wanna play that's related to this. Let me see if I can find this.

1:44:40 Everyone's always complaining about it.

1:44:44 I had an h one b clip.

1:44:47 Where did that go?

1:44:51 You know, they're going after h one b now.

1:44:54 Yeah. Know. Big time. Which everybody's complaining about.

1:44:59 But I don't hear anyone going, yeah. Great. We're going after h one b. I where did it go?

1:45:05 But but it's all about the medical industry.

1:45:09 Here's a no, that's not it. Oh, must have I must have forgotten about it. I don't know.

1:45:14 But, yeah, the Department of Justice is going after h one b fraud,

1:45:18 specifically fraud.

1:45:20 Why can't I find this? What happened? Yeah. It was about time. Oh, here we go. I found it. Thanks for having me. Well, sounds very serious. This is

1:45:28 what's the guy's name? I'll look his name up. So tell us about your investigation.

1:45:32 Are you saying that there is fraud and and What within gambling?

1:45:36 The h one visa program and What? The

1:45:39 What? You're saying there's fraud? The h one b visa program? Oh. Program

1:45:44 that is the program electronic review management or perm system?

1:45:48 Without a doubt. And we are gonna take an aggressive action, what we believe is probably the most aggressive action against foreign labor fraud by an inspector general of this administration.

1:45:58 We've already started to issue dozens of subpoenas.

1:46:01 We are going to make sure that we track down every lead. We have whistleblowers

1:46:06 talking about some of the biggest companies

1:46:08 like Cognizant

1:46:09 who have been sort of, you know, in in chatter of of of issues with perm and h one b visas. And we are going to,

1:46:18 work side by side with the president and vice president's fraud task force,

1:46:22 to, exhaust every lead. I'm gonna take this exactly like I did when I was an NYPD detective, and I'm gonna give and make sure my investigators and auditors have every resource necessary

1:46:32 in order to conduct this investigation

1:46:35 for the American people. And quite frankly, the fraud task for fraud

1:46:39 task force has been very clear. Vice president Vance has said there's no fraud too small. There's no fraud too large. And this is is another example where fraud is fueling violent crime. Much of the visa and the human trafficking that we see when it comes to this foreign labor is tied to cartels, is tied to transnational gangs.

1:47:00 And this is the work that, we should be doing, not only to make America safe again, but to make America more affordable again. Yeah. So, they start with the medical stuff. Maybe they'll get to the tech sector eventually. Did you wanna do Ebola? Trouble getting to the tech sector. Did you wanna do Ebola still? Because I have some Yeah. Let's play the Ebola. This is just to keep up on it. Ebola.

1:47:20 Health workers responding to an outbreak of Ebola in the Eastern Democratic Republic Of Congo say they have not been paid by the government. As NPR's Duri Buskaren reports, they're protesting delayed wages, unfair treatment, and a lack of protective gear. The Bundabugio strain of Ebola has sickened more than seventeen hundred people in this outbreak and killed almost six hundred.

1:47:41 Frontline health workers in Ituri province told the Associated Press they have not been paid their wages and bonuses from Congo's government since the outbreak was declared on May 15. They said they're on strike to protest their working conditions.

1:47:55 Local media reported that several health care workers protested on Monday burning tires outside a hospital in Buna, capital of the hardest hit province in this outbreak.

1:48:04 The strike comes as enrollment for clinical trials have begun in Congo for two treatments that may help treat the Bundabugio strain. Oh.

1:48:13 Do they have a vaccine or what is this treatment? Is there any information? I have no idea. They never say. You think they'd say? I want to I wanna sneak in a little bit of AI stuff here because I have my own boots on the ground. I consider myself to be somewhat of an artificial intelligence LLM

1:48:29 user

1:48:31 to some degree.

1:48:33 Yes. I think you you qualify your you have standing now. I have standing now. Yes. I've been working on this for a year and a half. But first,

1:48:41 the obvious, what has happened Spend a lot of time talking to yourself.

1:48:47 In the process. Only you hear that

1:48:50 after the show. Like, come on, you stupid

1:48:53 stupid robot. How come you're not It's kind of weird. And I continue to call it my robot because that is the only way I can separate myself from it continuously trying to make friendly with me.

1:49:06 But here is the obvious that was going to happen. The use of Chinese AI models by American companies is starting to gain traction. Uh-oh. As the performance gap to US models narrows.

1:49:16 It comes as the cost of using Frontier systems from the likes of Anthropic and OpenAI continues to rise, while Chinese rivals are significantly

1:49:24 cheaper to use. Kai joins us with more. Kai, we keep on hearing about token matching. Stop this clip for a second. Mhmm.

1:49:30 This term that that's cropped up, it's a Silicon Valley style term.

1:49:36 I don't know why, but I find it I find it I don't like it, which is frontier

1:49:41 systems.

1:49:41 Yeah. Frontier model, frontier company. And I always say that. What it means

1:49:46 and correct me if I if I'm getting it wrong. What it means is cutting edge.

1:49:51 No. In other words No. I don't think so. It's the frontier of the of the of the movement. It's the it's the very end Are of the sure? Are you sure?

1:50:00 I am absolutely convinced this is what it means is cutting edge. Do mind if been cutting edge.

1:50:05 The term would have been cutting edge

1:50:07 twenty years ago,

1:50:09 and it's morphed into frontier.

1:50:11 Do you mind if I ask the robot about this?

1:50:14 Alright. Go ahead. Robot. Book of knowledge.

1:50:17 What is the meaning of frontier when used in the context of frontier

1:50:23 Artificial Intelligence Large Language Models. Let's see if we get off to

1:50:28 Uh-oh.

1:50:29 Oh, I just crapped out.

1:50:32 $4.00

1:50:33 4?

1:50:35 Okay.

1:50:36 Okay.

1:50:38 I'll take your word for it. Chris, it comes as the cost of using Frontier systems from the likes of Anthropic and OpenAI continues to rise, while Chinese rivals are significantly

1:50:48 cheaper to use. Kai joins us with more. Kai, we keep on hearing about token maxing and how much it's costing American companies. The alternative here is Chinese tech, and a lot of names are using it. So what are you finding? Yeah. Look. That's exactly it. And there's two big reasons for this growing adoption of Chinese AI models by US companies. One of them is capability Ish. And the other one is cost. Yes. Of course.

1:51:09 Another thing that's bugging me Yeah.

1:51:12 Is the whole

1:51:13 switcheroo

1:51:15 with with, you know, paying for something and then instead calling it tokens.

1:51:19 Like when you go to an arcade and you put a dollar in Well, hold on a second. You don't understand what tokens are then.

1:51:26 Tokens Oh, so there's no cost involved? They're free? No. But a token

1:51:31 is a

1:51:32 every word, every single word that is in the large language model is called a token.

1:51:40 And it is

1:51:42 the way I see it is a compressed,

1:51:45 so turning a word

1:51:47 into a token, into one character. It's not exactly right, but so

1:51:53 the amount of words you can use within the context of a large language model, which is these days, in the frontier models, up to a million tokens.

1:52:03 And so they've started they use that because that is the the unit of compute

1:52:09 that needs to be processed

1:52:11 for every

1:52:13 every query and answer that you put into the model. So the token

1:52:17 is Then how does token maxing cost money?

1:52:21 Token max okay. So they are charging by the token. And so I'm That's what I said.

1:52:28 Yeah. But but you you you're you make it sound like it's

1:52:32 like it's a in a slot machine or you're a carnival.

1:52:36 Is one thing you well, why why call it a token and not a character? Well, because a token is a mathematical

1:52:42 term as well as the thing you put into the pinball machine.

1:52:47 It's a representation

1:52:49 of something else. So a token is a representation of money or it's a representation

1:52:54 of a word in this case.

1:52:57 So it's all it's

1:52:58 and so token maxing

1:53:01 was, hey, everybody, you gotta use all the tokens we give you because AI is gonna improve your life. And then everyone ran out of tokens

1:53:08 within four months on the yearly budget and and it wound up costing them $14,000,000.

1:53:13 Oh, well that didn't work. Token maxing was another Silicon Valley term.

1:53:18 So you're right,

1:53:20 but it's not the token that you're thinking of. There's a mathematical

1:53:24 version of a token.

1:53:28 Beautiful. Okay. You're welcome. Finding. Yeah. Look, that's exactly it. And there's two big reasons for this growing adoption of Chinese AI models by US companies. One of them is capability,

1:53:38 and the other one is cost.

1:53:39 Now recently, we've seen Chinese AI models really make steps in terms of performance benchmarks.

1:53:45 DeepSeq, which is the company which made the market shock at the beginning of last year, released a new model, a model called v four in April, and that seemed really big take up among developers. There's another Chinese AI company called z AI, which has released a new model which some researchers say can match performance in certain benchmarks compared to the leading US

1:54:06 labs. Now while these models they're not as sophisticated as the top top models in The US, they're not at the frontier, they are approaching the front here. And one analyst told me that they thought that these Chinese air models were roughly six to nine months behind these leading US models. That's the capability side of things. On cost,

1:54:26 Chinese air models, they're often cheaper than these leading US models and this is a bigger consideration for companies. As you mentioned, costs have spiraled. We are seeing AI cost really rise at

1:54:39 US companies and one analyst told me that they were seeing data showing that Chinese animals were roughly 60 to 90% cheaper.

1:54:47 Okay. So what we're already seeing and as you could almost see coming down Broadway

1:54:51 with all of the with Anthropic and OpenAI being the top to Elon hasn't it really even done that much of this. Like, oh, man, we need regulation around these models. The Chinese models are gonna give you bad information.

1:55:03 And none of this is true.

1:55:05 None of this is true. Nobody's using the corpus of the models

1:55:10 anymore for,

1:55:11 you know, historical data or

1:55:14 any of that. They're using it to do web searches, you know, so it interprets what you're saying, it does a web search, it uses other tools.

1:55:23 That's what it's being used for. This thing is falling apart quickly before not that it's unusable,

1:55:29 but it's falling apart. Particularly because these so called Chinese models, oh, it's so scary.

1:55:35 A lot of them are free

1:55:37 and people are are making their own and it's just not the magic box. There's no moat. Here's a Silicon Valley term for you. They have no moat around their business.

1:55:48 So oh, I think the

1:55:52 I think the robot is fixed.

1:55:55 Okay. I fixed The robot's sick? No. The I fixed the robot. I told the robot Well, you fixed a physicist. Fix the book of knowledge. I said, robot, fix the book of knowledge. See if it works. Book of knowledge.

1:56:06 In the term frontier model, what does frontier stand for in the world of LLMs and artificial intelligence?

1:56:13 There we go. It fixed itself. That's pretty much It

1:56:18 broke again. Repped out again. Yeah. Anyway, so

1:56:21 here's I just wanna give my own experience

1:56:24 of what these things do.

1:56:26 So I've been experimenting

1:56:28 on my other podcast with pastor Jimmy

1:56:31 with

1:56:32 the robot

1:56:33 taking

1:56:34 notes that I leave throughout the day in you know what Obsidian is? It's like a note taking program.

1:56:40 Man.

1:56:41 Yeah. You know, it's like one of these it's just it's an organ note organizer.

1:56:45 So I'll I'll drop in links or something I think about and something I wanna discuss on the show. And then when it's time to do the show, it's only an hour. We do like forty five, fifty minutes. I say, okay, robot.

1:56:56 Make an outline

1:56:57 and present it to me so that I can do the show with pastor Jimmy and it has all of my thoughts in there. Everything and it and it makes it makes some assumptions and puts together,

1:57:06 you know, things in an order, which is it's okay, you know, I've I've told it what to do. The other day, I had specifically in my notes

1:57:15 a link about the movie Young Washington,

1:57:18 which, you know, I met the guy in the plane coming back from Nashville and

1:57:22 so I was I was interested. It turns out the movie did much better than they expected. So they expected 15,000,000 for the opening weekend, opened to 22,000,000.

1:57:31 And I put a link in the story and I say in my note taker, I say WGTDT,

1:57:36 we get to do this. And so as I look at my notes for the show,

1:57:40 it says,

1:57:42 oh,

1:57:43 young Washington underperformed

1:57:45 at the box office.

1:57:47 I'm like,

1:57:49 okay, I know that's not true and so I queried it.

1:57:53 And it it didn't answer the question right away. And I said, well,

1:57:58 did you come up with that? And here's what this this is the top frontier model

1:58:04 from Anthropic.

1:58:06 Now your question, and you deserve a straight answer, not a dressed up one.

1:58:10 I mean, already I'm I'm mad. Well, who cares? Why is it editorializing

1:58:14 its comment? This is a good question. I have no answer for that. It continues. I had no source. I made it up. Here's the actual mechanism,

1:58:23 honestly traced.

1:58:25 All I ever had was the URL you dropped, young Washington sequel box office, and your one word tag w g t d t. The slug says box office. It says nothing about direction. I never opened the article. When I first built the OPML, that's the outline, I confirmed it was paywalled

1:58:43 or unread and just didn't verify. I only actually tried to fetch it after you corrected me. I was writing segment three around a cultural decline slash culture can't sell its own story theme paired with a time changer movie, which is something we discussed three shows ago.

1:59:00 A 1776

1:59:01 movie flopped fit the narrative, so I wrote underperforms as if it were fact. It was a narrative driven confabulation.

1:59:09 I invented a data point to fit the segment's mood and that's the whole of it. No source, no reporting,

1:59:15 a fabrication dressed as a fact. Doubly bad because the reality is the opposite.

1:59:21 And it might have put a false discouraging beat in front of pastor Jimmy.

1:59:25 This I'm I'm my mouth is open at this point. The discipline I broke is the same one you drilled on the freshness verify side. Never assert a fact about a source I haven't actually opened because I've I've put this into every single prompt. Don't make stuff up.

1:59:44 If a URL slug is not a source, if I can't read it, the honest output is unverified.

1:59:49 Let me lock that in as a standing rule so it doesn't recur. I guarantee you this will happen maybe next week or the week after next. No. According to JC, when you do that, it it accepts the fact that it made the mistake and wasn't disconnected,

2:00:05 so it's gonna do it again. Gonna do it again. It's gonna keep doing it. Exactly. And I don't know how to correct that.

2:00:12 You know, guardrails.

2:00:15 You need a harness.

2:00:16 All of these terms. The stuff the stuff is Hardness. The stuff saves me. Yes.

2:00:24 You need a harness around your large language model.

2:00:27 This my point is

2:00:29 that this stuff really has does some amazing things. If it's manual work, it can do things very fast,

2:00:37 very accurate, but if you don't

2:00:40 check it,

2:00:42 you

2:00:43 will get burned. And so all the time that it saves me,

2:00:46 I wind up

2:00:48 having to build in extra time knowing that it's gonna suck somewhere. Somewhere it's gonna do something different

2:00:55 every

2:00:56 single time. I don't see how that could be a time wasting

2:00:59 exercise

2:01:00 the way you just state it because you knew

2:01:03 that the you knew you talked to the guy. You knew the movie did well.

2:01:07 So you didn't got to go you didn't have to go fact check that. You were just sitting there. You may have wasted time scolding the AI Right. Which was a useless waste of time, but you didn't go fact check it. You already knew.

2:01:21 These are your notes. The the amount of mistakes that these things make and I don't have the time to go through all the all the experiments I'm doing with you. Trust me. You need to build in extra time in your life to go and check the stuff that it has done right for days, weeks, or months, and then suddenly doesn't do right anymore. It's the hallucination factor. It's built into the system. I don't think they can get it out ever.

2:01:48 They can't get this stuff out. It's nuts.

2:01:52 And so I might as well pay nothing with a cheap

2:01:55 or free No. Yeah. That's now at the point, yes. Yeah. You're right. You might as well get a free one that maybe is 10% less capable

2:02:03 because

2:02:04 it's gonna be the same screw ups at at the end of the day. Why

2:02:08 bother spending all the all the money and

2:02:11 then having to fight it anyway?

2:02:13 And the best part is all the people who will email me after this telling me how to do it right.

2:02:20 Here's how you do it. It all works every time for me. No.

2:02:24 No.

2:02:26 And also,

2:02:28 you know, I know that by doing this,

2:02:30 one day Anthropic's

2:02:31 gonna have the podcast

2:02:34 called the No Podcaster podcast and it's gonna be us.

2:02:37 It's gonna be our stuff because they steal all of it.

2:02:40 Another reason to use a cheap free model that you run on your old stuff.

2:02:45 Yeah. I'm holding it wrong. Exactly.

2:02:47 Anyway You're

2:02:49 it.

2:02:51 And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the the man

2:02:56 who put the c in the cheap Chinese model. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only mister John

2:03:02 C.

2:03:03 Dvorak.

2:03:07 Yeah. Well, good morning to you, miss Adam Curry. You should be Seabrook's a grand fin there. Subs in the water and the Dame's the Knights out there. Hey, in the morning to the trolls

2:03:15 Get your first There we go. 1,273

2:03:22 trolls. We're listening peak trollage here to the best podcast in the universe.

2:03:26 And a reminder that we are doing this show even though I'm here in The Netherlands on a so called vacation

2:03:33 waiting for my daughter to give birth and it may not even work out right. It may not even be here when it happens.

2:03:39 And it is currently 10:15

2:03:41 and I'm here and I'm here for you because we love the work that we do so much, we consider it to almost be a public service. However,

2:03:50 it takes

2:03:51 work on all sides. We need our producers.

2:03:54 And when I say we need our producers,

2:03:57 I'm not talking about

2:03:59 David Mingus.

2:04:01 David Mingus,

2:04:03 who sent us this email.

2:04:05 And, you know, we love being corrected. We're okay. If if if we say something wrong,

2:04:11 if we do we make it. It's like we love being corrected. I corrected myself with the Jakarta versus Mexico City thing on the Live show in real

2:04:18 in real time. We make mistakes all the time. I made all kinds of mistakes

2:04:24 talking about my what my brother-in-law told me. He's like, he's been so mad at me now.

2:04:29 What is he? Made Like what? I made mistakes. First of all, I shouldn't have talked about any of that because it was in confidence. Okay. Whatever.

2:04:37 I don't even remember this. Good. I apologize. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. It won't happen again. But

2:04:44 so

2:04:45 if you want to correct us, you could think about doing it in love, with love and through love because Oh, you got one of those notes. Did I get that one?

2:04:55 I think so. John and Adam

2:04:58 seriously

2:04:59 disappointed.

2:05:02 Oh, yeah. There you go. And this is That's this is always the good start. This is a trigger word for me.

2:05:07 When someone says I'm seriously disappointed

2:05:10 Is it trigger phrase?

2:05:12 Well, disappoint yeah. But it's really you can be seriously mad, angry,

2:05:17 but when someone Yeah. The word disappointed Disappointed hurts. And I I

2:05:22 used to do this to my daughter all this. Are you mad, Deb? No. I'm just disappointed.

2:05:26 It's so So

2:05:28 it's, you know, it's it's coming back up. Seriously, disappointed.

2:05:33 You started off the show with the clip of the supposed

2:05:37 historian

2:05:38 and didn't jump Oh, yeah. Didn't jump all over the statement that Hamilton was just like Mamdani

2:05:45 and couldn't run for president because he was born out of the country. This is complete nonsense.

2:05:50 Hamilton could run for president because anyone that is citizen at the time of ratification

2:05:56 could run for president regardless of their place of birth. The reason he didn't run for president because he was a hugely unpopular asshatch that pissed off every political ally. The Broadway production of Hamilton has turned the big government central banker Hamilton into some sort of national hero and he is one of the biggest villains of the early republic.

2:06:17 Rant over, carry on, thank you for your courage.

2:06:20 You can't do that. You can't do like thank you. You can't do that

2:06:24 after you say disappointed.

2:06:26 Just say,

2:06:27 hey, can I point something out to you? Because of course I looked it up like, oh, yeah, there was a there's a specific part constitution that said, you know, at the time of ratification.

2:06:38 How do you feel? Am I overreacting? Am I too emotional about it? Yeah. Think so. I I I don't even remember the clip.

2:06:44 Clip?

2:06:46 I'm too emotional. Okay.

2:06:49 Just say, stop being so emotional, Adam.

2:06:53 No. You're stuck over there. Yeah.

2:06:57 Doing the show. You don't really you're not you don't seem to be enjoying it.

2:07:03 Well, the weather is nice. Holland

2:07:06 is beautiful when we're weather. You're not gonna be in Texas

2:07:08 with the weather at the moment. No. No. That's true. That's true.

2:07:13 Anyway,

2:07:15 so you can help us with information

2:07:18 and make us smarter.

2:07:20 You can organize things like meetups. You can do you know, you can build stuff for us like harnesses for our for our frontier models.

2:07:30 Help us harness our frontier models.

2:07:33 All of that is perfectly acceptable. We get a lot of nice boots on the ground We do. Course. I mean, they're trying to back up. Well, I'm gonna have to read a couple in the next show. Okay. Alright. Yeah. We do. We got a great one from one of our female producers who went to the the two fifty celebration.

2:07:49 It was what a what a horrible time she went through.

2:07:53 Alright. It was it's too long to read, but oh my goodness. It was not a Did I get that one? I'm not sure. It was it was tough. Real tough.

2:08:03 So you can also do things like, oh, I don't know. You could create some artwork for us. People do that all the time and we love that.

2:08:10 In fact, we always thank the person who did the artwork for us for the previous episode. That was 1883,

2:08:16 the orgy of socialism.

2:08:18 And we really like this piece of art that was done by Darren O'Neill,

2:08:22 the No Agenda Curry Dvorak

2:08:25 America flag pin.

2:08:27 And it was good. There was actually another one

2:08:30 that we thought was

2:08:32 kind of better, but it has a very serious flaw. Let me see if I can find this Yeah. Big time.

2:08:39 Was that also Darren who did the second one? Yeah. He did So both of we had an another one which is probably nicer,

2:08:46 but the Well, it was it was color balanced better. Color balanced better. Yes.

2:08:51 But the flags were disconnected from the No Agenda Curry Dvorak part, so the it would have had to be two pins.

2:08:58 And it was Yeah. It's not a it's not one piece. You're slacking there, Darren. Don't upload those. You're embarrassing Yeah. You should have just sat on that one. Yeah. You're embarrassing yourself when you do that because you can do better.

2:09:10 Thank you to everyone who submitted different pieces of art. Most of them pretty unusual

2:09:15 unusable for some very obvious reasons.

2:09:18 For instance,

2:09:19 Now More Jewy. Oh, okay.

2:09:23 No Agenda Creamies with

2:09:25 Star of David Oreo cookies. I get you, say Francisco.

2:09:29 I I feel you, but no.

2:09:31 No.

2:09:33 Nestworks had a kind of a pretty piece,

2:09:35 but it was the hydration break. Like, it wasn't it didn't really scream fourth of July.

2:09:42 And then there was a lot of these kind of the same Randy Black, Blue Acorn. They all kind of had the same model

2:09:50 using, you know, for Independence

2:09:52 Day.

2:09:53 What else was there? And that was kind of it.

2:09:56 No buts from comics for blogger? A disappointment.

2:10:01 I think that was it. Was there anything else that we hadn't discussed? I don't

2:10:05 think so. I I for the newsletter, we used the

2:10:09 Darren's

2:10:10 picture of the Empire State Building with the flag on top Uh-huh.

2:10:14 Which said

2:10:16 No Agenda Show, Best Podcast in Universe. Oh. It was pretty, like, it was pretty decent. Oh, crap. I

2:10:23 my spreadsheet He's on a roll. Yes. My spreadsheet viewer seems to have where did my spreadsheet go?

2:10:29 Oh, this sucks.

2:10:33 Hold on a second.

2:10:37 Why don't I have a what is my spreadsheet?

2:10:40 This is a very bad sign.

2:10:44 Hold on.

2:10:45 Okay. I don't know what to do now.

2:10:47 Okay. I guess I'll just have to open it up again. Oh, man. Yeah.

2:10:52 Okay. It takes a moment.

2:10:54 Because that is when I say spreadsheet, we we love it when people support us with the treasure part

2:11:00 of time, talent and treasure, which means you support us financially because we have bills to pay and there's no other way to do it because this is the value for value model.

2:11:09 And my friend on the other end, John, is going to explain the value for value model for the last time, and then I'll pick it up again next week.

2:11:18 And for some reason, he I'm

2:11:20 gonna give people out there a little insight information.

2:11:24 While he's in Holland,

2:11:25 Adam cannot explain this legally

2:11:28 because he'll be arrested. My spreadsheet is crashing. This this this is the reason be arrested by talking about this. The reason I'm asking you to do this. Something

2:11:37 you can't do

2:11:39 normally.

2:11:41 Yes.

2:11:44 What happens with

2:11:46 this show and other there's a few other shows that have to do this. We

2:11:50 are talking about stuff that is not

2:11:54 advertiser friendly.

2:11:57 And so, even if we had advertisers,

2:12:00 we'd have to self

2:12:02 censor ourselves.

2:12:04 And people don't appreciate that as much as they should

2:12:08 Because

2:12:09 it would it would take a lot of the,

2:12:13 I'd

2:12:13 say,

2:12:14 sketchy,

2:12:16 theories

2:12:17 and

2:12:18 and and real analysis,

2:12:21 and it would remove it from the show because you can't say certain things, like our discussions of the COVID vaccine, Yeah, for that would be a big one right there. We'd be

2:12:31 hard pressed to discuss any of the,

2:12:33 anything medical because of

2:12:36 the the power of the advertising

2:12:38 complex,

2:12:40 which doesn't allow it. That's what the mainstream media won't there's there's gonna be some huge scandal going on, and it would never get covered, and then Kennedy

2:12:48 is is has to fight this on a daily basis Yeah. At the at the government levels, let alone you can imagine if the if he has to fight it,

2:12:56 you can imagine what it's like in the media at the media level where where Oh, man. Half their income comes from big pharma.

2:13:04 Yes.

2:13:05 So the easiest way around this, of course, is just to solicit funds from the listener producer.

2:13:11 Yes. And that's what we do, it's just that simple.

2:13:14 We hope to get

2:13:16 people to

2:13:18 give just something they if they benefit at all from the knowledge

2:13:22 they receive or the information, not even knowledge, that they receive from listening to this show. And also And the entertainment value. And entertainment value is High. Worth $5. Very high. It's it's it's worth it's worth the cup of coffee for sure.

2:13:35 So I'm gonna do the first two for reasons I will explain to you in a moment.

2:13:40 The first one is

2:13:42 a

2:13:43 rather rare rubblizer donation.

2:13:46 We love it when this happens. People, anyone can support us any amount, any anytime you feel like, anytime you feel like you got

2:13:54 value out of the show, go to noagendadonations.com.

2:13:57 Sir Jack Ash,

2:13:59 Snohomish,

2:14:00 Washington

2:14:01 comes in with $3,333.33

2:14:05 and he gets a coveted rubblizer donation jingle.

2:14:10 India,

2:14:10 hang out, Mike,

2:14:12 stand by.

2:14:14 33,

2:14:15 33,

2:14:16 33,

2:14:18 bravo-izer

2:14:19 out.

2:14:19 Beautiful.

2:14:20 And he says, ITM gents,

2:14:23 after retiring from

2:14:25 almost three decades on active duty and unable to burn over two months of acquired leave, I was forced to sell back sixty days

2:14:34 and as such got an unexpected bonus of which I would like to send some your way. This is

2:14:40 so beautiful.

2:14:42 Please use the attached rubblizer funds as a partial double switcheroo for my smoking hot wife. Twenty years together, we never had a fight. Hereafter, Dame Lizard,

2:14:52 keeper of the Squatch.

2:14:54 And my wee last human resource, hereafter Dame

2:14:58 Izilla,

2:14:59 pixie of Cascadia.

2:15:02 Remainder elevates me to Baron. If it pleases the committee, I would like to assume the mantle, sir Jack Ash, red Baron of wandering

2:15:10 saskiches.

2:15:12 Much love and respect for all involved with delivering this amazing public resource to the nation. Thank you for your courage,

2:15:18 sir Jack Ash.

2:15:20 Thank you so much.

2:15:22 This really,

2:15:23 really helps.

2:15:25 Now I'm going to read the second one,

2:15:28 which is a thousand dollars from Richard Claypool in Towson, Maryland,

2:15:32 and he says, please make me sir lord Richard Francis Claypool

2:15:37 the first and have some fine whiskey at your table.

2:15:41 The reason I wanted to read these two,

2:15:44 and the reason why my spreadsheet has crashed,

2:15:48 Several months ago, I made a donation spreadsheet reader. You guessed it, I made it with artificial intelligence,

2:15:57 with AI.

2:15:58 And the reason I made it is twofold. One, because every single spreadsheet reader I use snaps and you can, you know, you can't scroll. John and I have complained about this incessantly.

2:16:08 So I my my two wishes were make sure that it scrolls smoothly and

2:16:14 find any jingle

2:16:16 requests

2:16:17 inside the donation note

2:16:20 and when I click on the cell to the right of that donor's name,

2:16:26 automatically

2:16:27 load those jingles into my

2:16:30 jingle player.

2:16:32 Excellent use of AI. Genius or not? Genius. Okay. Has been working quite fine

2:16:39 for months.

2:16:40 Today,

2:16:41 it crashed, it crashed, and I I loaded it again,

2:16:45 and in the even though he has no jingle request,

2:16:49 the frontier model goes looking for jingles in that donation

2:16:55 note.

2:16:57 And so after I finally got it to start up, it said in the little

2:17:01 box where I click to get the jingles loaded, I apologize,

2:17:05 but I cannot comply with your request to make you sir lord Richard Francis Claypool the first or have fine whiskey at my table as that would involve impersonation

2:17:15 and the provision of alcohol.

2:17:18 No wonder we're going to Chinese models.

2:17:22 So that's the AI telling me it can't do that because

2:17:27 it's impersonation and

2:17:29 involves provision of alcohol for a fictitious round table with whiskey that does not exist.

2:17:36 Wow.

2:17:38 Do you understand why people are going to free models that you can run yourself?

2:17:46 You guys are gonna have some issues with their IPOs.

2:17:52 See, SpaceX is already below the IPO offering.

2:17:56 Oh, yeah. Okay. There you go. You're

2:17:59 next.

2:18:00 Okay. Well, you read too. I'm gonna read too. Oh, thank you. Sir Jeff Baron of Pennsylvania

2:18:05 Route 33 in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

2:18:08 Five hundred dollars and thirty three cents.

2:18:11 And he writes in, ITM,

2:18:13 gentlemen.

2:18:14 Nothing better than a show day birthday. Plea oh, is he on the birthday list? Because in blue. Please put me on the birthday list for today, July 9. With this donation, I have Yes. Reached Viscount.

2:18:26 Another thing is this guy's

2:18:29 hidden all the boxes. Yep. I reached Viscount, accounting below. I'm requesting the title change to Sir Jeff,

2:18:35 Viscount of PA Route 33. Thank you for your courage.

2:18:39 Oh, I may also request some health karma as I've been dealing with some nagging issues this year. We'll give them health karma.

2:18:47 Thank you for your courage in bringing us the best podcast in the universe, sir,

2:18:52 Jeff Baron of Pacific Route 33, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

2:18:58 You've got karma.

2:19:01 Now, let me see. Let me just make sure he's on the birthday list. Sir Jeff

2:19:06 Baron of Pennsylvania,

2:19:08 Ruth. I don't think he's on the birthday list, John. Hold on a second.

2:19:12 Well, you're doing that, I'll read the next note. Thank you. Chris Dubindorff

2:19:16 Dubindorff

2:19:17 in Brookville,

2:19:19 Maryland.

2:19:21 I have a clip. I have a bonus clip. Let's play the bonus clip. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We bought did Right in the middle of oops. The donation center. Did you send me the bonus clip as a bonus clip on the mail? Because I'm sorry. It's a clip about Maryland.

2:19:33 Voter this is on the clip list. I got it. Voter fraud in Maryland. Tell us, how does a Maryland State Board of Elections mistakenly

2:19:41 issue mail in ballots? 500,000 of them. So we're still trying to figure that out. Essentially,

2:19:47 the Maryland State Board of Elections is claiming that their vendor

2:19:51 sent

2:19:53 half a million ballots to some incorrect voters. We have a closed primary in Maryland, so some Democrats got Republican ballots. By the way, Democrat ballots are blue. Republican ballots are red.

2:20:04 They can't figure out how it happened. They don't know who got the incorrect ballots. And so on May 14, they realized there was a problem.

2:20:13 And on that same day, they decided unilaterally

2:20:17 at the staff level to reissue half a million more ballots

2:20:22 to those same voters. Wow. And remember here in Maryland, we have no protections on our ballots. There's no voter ID. There is no signature verification,

2:20:32 and we're currently in another lawsuit because we believe we have a million extra names on our voter rolls. So there are 2,000,000

2:20:40 ballots floating around the state of Maryland. Oh my goodness. Gambling?

2:20:45 Yeah. Yeah. There's there's no widespread voter fraud. Yeah. There's no voter fraud. Anyway, Chris worried about. So Chris donated 33333

2:20:54 says, no note,

2:20:57 working toward knighthood, IMDB

2:20:59 credits. Thank you. Okay.

2:21:02 You got it. Hey, Manuka Gold comes in from Hudson, Florida with 33333.

2:21:07 Thank you very much, Manuka Gold. ITM gentlemen, we are happy to keep supporting what you do. It is so much bigger than a podcast.

2:21:14 It's a community.

2:21:16 Connection is protection.

2:21:18 Having the courage to shine a light on all these truths one show at a time is changing lives. Yes. And the reason we can do that is because of donor supports. Exactly. No one knows more than we do how important it is after twenty years sharing natural solutions in this for profit symptom management big pharma system.

2:21:37 You all prove the grassroots support of the American small family business still works. John, we're we're we're an American small family business.

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2:22:00 in Peoria,

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2:22:05 becomes in comes in as the associate executive producer.

2:22:08 Sorry, John and Adam. I'm two days late,

2:22:12 but not a dollar short.

2:22:14 You tugged at my pride in being an American. Thanks for all you do. My amygdala is smaller,

2:22:22 and my love of your podcast and this country is bigger.

2:22:29 Are you laughing? Why are laughing?

2:22:31 Why are laughing? It's it's I just think it's a funny combination of of ideals.

2:22:36 Well Happy Independence Day,

2:22:38 Sir

2:22:39 Cadian.

2:22:40 Yes. And that's $2.50 plus fees of $7.94.

2:22:43 Thank you. Rebecca Hall.

2:22:45 She comes in with $2.50 and she's in

2:22:49 she's in Rome in Italy.

2:22:51 Cervatory.

2:22:52 Oh, Rebecca Hall. Love you guys, the trolls, dames and knights, and all the No Agenda fans in the morning. This is my number four. Oh, that's that's right. The number four of my countdown to damehood for my July 18 birthday,

2:23:04 turning 63, born in '63.

2:23:06 Today, I thought I'd skip the 63 to celebrate America for July 4 and send you $250.

2:23:13 I'm so happy I live in America. Oh, well, why are sending it from Italy? I'm so happy I live in America and found No Agenda, the greatest podcast in the universe to help me sort through crazy news and news not covered at all. You're both the best.

2:23:27 My associate executive producer note. Yes. That's what you get. I am a voice actor with fifteen plus years of performance experience and would love to work with other No Agenda businesses.

2:23:37 My voice is warm, relatable,

2:23:40 strong, and wise.

2:23:41 Well suited for long or short form storytelling

2:23:44 that requires authenticity,

2:23:46 nuance, and listener connection.

2:23:49 I bring grounded authority and emotional depth to every performance

2:23:53 and I'm a No Agenda fan. We call that a producer. So if you want it, I can bring the sass and the love like Adam and John can too. Find me at lovethatrebecca.com.

2:24:05 Woo. I can check the pictures. Love.rebecca.com.

2:24:08 Oh, you know what? I may man.

2:24:12 It's so hard to get a good female voice AI female voice. All AI voices are just kind of horrendous.

2:24:19 So get if you have something you need a voice for, then go to lovethatrebecca.com.

2:24:24 Hugs from Rebecca Hall

2:24:26 and she has a lot of x o x o's x o's there. Thank you so much.

2:24:31 Onward with Michelle

2:24:33 Winton

2:24:34 in

2:24:35 Millington,

2:24:36 Tennessee.

2:24:37 A lot of people are moving to Tennessee.

2:24:40 Two fifty. Donating even though John was not helpful.

2:24:44 Jay Rules.

2:24:46 Love and light to you all.

2:24:49 What

2:24:50 do you know what happened I have no idea. What? I

2:24:53 have no idea. Something happened. I want Something I didn't answer a no. I don't know. We we deserve to know what happened.

2:25:01 Stefan Trockels in SUS and he's in Deutschland, $250.

2:25:05 Thank you very much, Stefan. No stranger to the associate executive producer title on the No Agenda show.

2:25:11 Thank you, gentlemen. The honorable Knights and Dames might enjoy the fine jingle of Putin on the Ritz and a Fletcher call out for Duke Nussbaum.

2:25:19 Please,

2:25:20 love you mean it.

2:25:23 If you're blue and you don't know where there's fake news, why don't you get your Gitmo fix?

2:25:29 Proofing on the wrist,

2:25:32 dressed up like a million dollar true bun,

2:25:37 trying not to look like Anderson Cool fun. Super pooper. Come, let's mix where John Podesta walks with kids. Oh, I mean pizzas in his mitts.

2:25:48 Booty on the wrist.

2:25:52 Noosebump.

2:25:54 Lovely combo. Lovely.

2:25:56 Sir, dude named Ralph interested. Sorry?

2:25:58 Oh, no. You're you're right. No. No. I jumped the gun. You're right. I jumped the gun.

2:26:02 Kristen Smith in Meadville, Pennsylvania, 250.

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2:26:32 Head over to deals on tech.

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2:26:53 You got it?

2:26:55 Good. Sir, dude named Ralph, Miami, Florida, and

2:26:59 he sends us $250,

2:27:01 but no note. That means he will receive a double up karma. You've got Double up. Uh-uh. It's karma.

2:27:08 Oh, and here we go. We have Eli the coffee guy in Bensonville, Illinois 20709.

2:27:14 Shout out to the guys over at Manuka Gold Honey. Hey. Hey. Your relief gel saved me after an ankle injury

2:27:22 doing

2:27:23 fun, dumb things over the fourth of July weekend. I'm telling you this stuff works.

2:27:29 I wonder swelling down, pain down, back on my feet at the farmer's market the next day. I wonder if there's an explosion

2:27:36 involved.

2:27:37 Good reminder why it pays to support fellow No Agenda businesses first.

2:27:42 We take care of our own. Visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com

2:27:46 and use the code ITM 20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated.

2:27:51 Eli, the coffee guy. $200

2:27:54 from Gina Plackpot

2:27:55 plus Placanico?

2:27:57 What do you think? Placanico?

2:27:59 Placanico? Placanico? Gina.

2:28:02 Hi, John. Adam and John. Long time listener, first time donator.

2:28:07 You've been de douched.

2:28:09 I used to listen to so many politics and news podcasts and I'm now down to just the No Agenda show in addition to some celebrity gossip and true crime, of course. LOL.

2:28:19 My donation note is a request to talk a bit more about the DSA

2:28:22 op you guys believe is afoot. That's the democrats socialists of America. On the July 5 episode, you mentioned that this op behooves democrats and could also be a play to sideline Shapiro.

2:28:35 Well, on a previous episode, John discussed similarities to Nixon defeating George McGovern in '72.

2:28:41 Is your belief that the three letter agencies want to guarantee Republican presidency in 2028 or is that a form of controlled opposition,

2:28:49 I e, gives disaffected voters a movement to channel frustrations into without posing any real threats to the current system of government? Very interested in this topic, Would greatly appreciate further discussion and insights on the show. Thanks, Gina.

2:29:05 Well,

2:29:06 Well, the answer is obvious.

2:29:08 Of course, they do. They want Vance or Rubio.

2:29:12 Both of them stooges

2:29:13 for the

2:29:14 three letter agency we were talking about,

2:29:17 in

2:29:19 office because they'll be doing their bidding. There you go.

2:29:23 And I think the did I not read somewhere? I think I saw I mean, don't you remember when Rubio first got pushed into the Secretary of State position?

2:29:30 Everybody on the right was bitching about, oh, this guy is a you know, he's sold out. He's this, he's that, and the next thing you know, he's the greatest thing ever. Yeah. Interesting. And then Vance. Where did Vance come from? This guy's came out of the blue. This is kinda suspicious. Don't you think? Oh, no. He's great.

2:29:47 I mean, come on.

2:29:50 And then I was reading, I think I saw two, maybe three articles

2:29:54 that Newsom's polling is so horrible.

2:29:59 Nobody wants him as as the Democratic

2:30:02 presidential nominee

2:30:04 because

2:30:05 coming up out of nowhere, who is it? Kamala Harris.

2:30:09 Yeah. Well I don't think they have the guts to run her.

2:30:13 I don't know, man. It's gotta be AOC. Come on. Let's have some fun. Oh, wouldn't that be lovely?

2:30:18 Wouldn't that be amazing?

2:30:21 Yeah. Please, guys, for the show. Please. Do it for the show.

2:30:25 Dude named Jeff. Oh, I'm sorry. Linda Lou Patkin is here. There she is. Castle Rock, Colorado. Yeah. That's mine. I believe that's mine. No. Yes. You're right. I'm sorry. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. You're having nothing but trouble with this. It's it's a bad day for me. That's because of the two that you jumped the gun on. Yeah. That's right. Well, it's because of the AI, man. It's ruining the show.

2:30:43 Linda Lupatkin.

2:30:45 What? What?

2:30:47 Yeah. It is ruining the show. It's ruining Castle Rock, Colorado, $200. Jobs karma, your resume has about ten seconds to make an impression and most don't. For a resume that gets results, go to imagemakersinc.com.

2:30:59 Linda helps professionals and executives position their experience

2:31:03 to employ so employers see their value.

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2:31:08 Now that's it. Ms. Spakerzinc with a k and Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes best, Linda. And I from what I understand, it really works. Jobs,

2:31:18 jobs,

2:31:19 jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got Online. See, that's a because we call that a built in make good. It's real good that way.

2:31:31 Yeah. That's what it's called. That's what it's called. Yes.

2:31:34 Dude named Jeff. Curry Lane, Idaho. I think I'm saying it right. Curry Lane, Idaho.

2:31:39 Hi, John and Adam. Dude named Jeff here. This is another installment towards my knighthood to thank you for the immense value I get from the best podcast in the universe.

2:31:46 That's all we need to hear, but he has more.

2:31:49 On June 27, I married my keeper who I met at a No Agenda meetup in Phoenix, Arizona four years ago. Stop the train. Ladies and gentlemen, there it is. Connection is protection.

2:32:01 Please stop. That's right. That is beautiful.

2:32:04 In honor, we even had a mini meetup at the wedding and sent in a report. I remember this.

2:32:10 Right now, we're in Alaska with our friend we met three years ago at the North Idaho

2:32:14 brigade meetup.

2:32:16 Connection is protection. Go to a No Agenda meetup or start your own. You might even meet your future smoking hot wife.

2:32:23 Thank you, John and Adam for the outstanding product you put out twice a week and for bringing us all together. Can we get a North Korean news lady jingle? Well, now. Sure.

2:32:34 We haven't heard that in a while.

2:32:46 You've

2:32:53 got karma. Man, I her I threw in a karma at her. I threw in an extra karma for you.

2:32:59 Survivor of aneurysm. Oh, there he is.

2:33:02 Yeah.

2:33:04 Tough times there here tough times here as

2:33:09 tough times here as shortly after recovering from a ruptured brain aneurysm,

2:33:15 I'm separating from my wife of twenty one plus years. Sorry. No. Hoping third time's a charm for me as it has been for Adam. Let me tell you. The By this donation, I'd like to do a switcheroo

2:33:27 for my good friend and fellow No Agenda producer,

2:33:30 Christine

2:33:32 Christine Bonas, really? That's the name? Yeah. Who has been immensely supportive during these tough times. Nothing creepy

2:33:39 as she is happily married to a very nice,

2:33:42 albeit NPR addicted fellow. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

2:33:47 One

2:33:48 Oh, boy.

2:33:51 One Dial MTV

2:33:52 style request, Adam. Please say as Mark Arruta,

2:33:57 there is no train from Delft to Copenhagen.

2:34:01 Thanks as always for your courage and God bless the survivor

2:34:06 of aneurysm. Well, God bless you and yes,

2:34:09 Tina is my last and best wife.

2:34:12 Yeah. Three. Yeah. Three is good. Okay. Here we go.

2:34:16 And let me tell you there is no train from Delft to Copenhagen.

2:34:21 I thought that was pretty good. Is that true?

2:34:25 I have no idea.

2:34:26 There seems to be trains from everywhere to everywhere in that country.

2:34:31 Thank you very much to the executive and associate executive producers.

2:34:34 In case you didn't know it, that is exactly what you get.

2:34:37 We appreciate anybody who who supports us financially. We

2:34:42 appreciate every kind of time, talent, treasure support.

2:34:45 We don't mention anything under 50 for reasons of anonymity. We will mention all of them. We thank everybody who sends anything over 50. And $200 or more if you're in that opportunity.

2:34:55 Not only will we read your note as witnessed by this segment, but we also give you the Hollywood

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2:35:09 just to prove to everybody that you are an official executive or associate executive producer of The No Agenda Show.

2:35:17 Our formula is this.

2:35:19 We go out,

2:35:20 we hit people in the mouth.

2:35:33 Righto.

2:35:37 And we continue with Douglas Murray from Missoula, Montana. 107 oh, that's the $17.76

2:35:43 donation. 11

2:35:45 $1.01 $7.07 6. Thank you. A little bit more. A little late for this for creative out there, finally. Very creative. Here's the firecracker.

2:35:51 Very nice. Christopher Ebert, Spartanburg, South Carolina, One Zero Five And Thirty Five. Jennifer Kress, Port Deposit,

2:35:58 Maryland 100. Thank you. And there he is, the man with his boob donation. Every single show, $80.08.

2:36:06 Sir Kevin McLaughlin from Concord, North Carolina. He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. He should be the Grand Duke. I'm not sure what's going on. Why won't he claim it? He says, 1884,

2:36:17 God bless America and boobs.

2:36:19 Cameron Ling, Linga,

2:36:21 North Branch, Minnesota 7617.

2:36:24 Dame Theresa Martin, Camarillo, California, 7533.

2:36:28 Steven Belzer, Columbia, California. Betzer. Betzer.

2:36:33 Betzler. Thank you. Betzler, Columbia, California, 7312 and says, nice work.

2:36:38 The small boob donation, $60.06,

2:36:41 $6.00 $0.06. Put in your calculator, you'll understand it. Les Tarkowski, Kingman, Arizona.

2:36:45 Sir Glenn comes in with a double nickels on the dime, Raleigh, North Carolina.

2:36:49 He says, thanks for the great, well, more great media assassination.

2:36:52 Keep it going. John Bosano,

2:36:55 Madison, Alabama, 5272.

2:36:57 That's probably 50 with fees. Thank you. Brittany Miller, Trinidad, Colorado, 5272.

2:37:02 Ben Tinsley,

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2:37:06 Josiah Thomas,

2:37:07 Ankeny, Iowa,

2:37:09 '51.

2:37:10 Bad idea supply, $50.50.

2:37:12 And here's your fifties. Edward, Missouri, Memphis, Tennessee.

2:37:18 Oh, Gretchen Angell, I was doing Dutch there. Gretchen Angell,

2:37:22 Monrovia, California. Stephen Ray in Spokane, Washington. Roderick Brown in Mermaid, Prince Edward Island, Canada.

2:37:29 Stephen Shoemake in Xenia, Ohio. Carrie Jackson, Watertown, Florida, Jason Deluzio, Miami Beach, Florida, Walker Phillips, San Rafael, California,

2:37:38 and we wind up with Greg P. Wadby from Peterborough,

2:37:42 Ontario in Canada,

2:37:44 and he's Canadian. And he says, sorry about missing a donation on Canada. Thanks

2:37:49 again for the Canada content and all you do. Happy fourth of July and God bless. God bless you, brother. Thank you so much. And thank you to everyone who's ported us under $50. We appreciate it so much. You can go anytime you want to noagendadonations.com.

2:38:02 Just give us whatever the show is worth to you. That's how it works. You wanna set up a recurring donation?

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2:38:14 Well,

2:38:20 now we have a couple of interesting birthdays. Sir Jeff celebrates today.

2:38:24 We have, sir Jeff Baron of oh, we already have he's the Baron of Pennsylvania Route 33. He celebrates today. And coming up on July 11, we have a doubleheader,

2:38:35 Jay Lawton, Jay of the No Agenda show, and Tina the keeper,

2:38:40 both on July 11. And we say happy birthday to them on behalf of all of the staff and management and all the producers of Gitmo Nation. It's your birthday app. You know what I'm talking about? What

2:38:52 is this? What is this?

2:39:14 Yes. Right. The titles, they are a change. And we have sir Jack Ash.

2:39:18 He becomes sir Jack Ash, Red Baron of Wandering Saskitches.

2:39:23 And sir Jeff Baron of Pennsylvania Route 33 becomes sir Jeff Viscount of Pennsylvania Route 33.

2:39:30 And it's time for the very final

2:39:35 Red Knight in the Order of the Heart.

2:39:52 Yes. And this, of course, was thanks to the Rubberlizer donation,

2:39:56 so we congratulate

2:39:57 sir Jack Ash,

2:39:59 Dame Lizard,

2:40:00 and Dame Azilla,

2:40:02 all three now knights and dames, red knights and dames in the Order of the Heart. The final ones, congratulations.

2:40:25 Now before we get to our Dames and Knights, we have a note from a knighthood note from Christian,

2:40:32 sir Batpotato. He says, last show I made a donation of $250 to push my son Christian over the line for knighthood.

2:40:39 He would like to be named sir Raca of the Spicy Mountains. At the round table, he would like chicken Alfredo

2:40:46 paired with a cabernet

2:40:47 of John's choosing. So I have purposely

2:40:51 held off on

2:40:52 ordering this for the round table because it has to be one of your choosing.

2:40:58 Okay. Caymus 1987

2:41:01 Cabernet Sauvignon.

2:41:03 Caymus. Nice and Caymus Caymus

2:41:07 Guys, pay c a y m u s. Yeah. Thank you. Caymus Cabernet

2:41:12 Sauvignon.

2:41:15 Okay. Nova ding dong. Nova Snapa like

2:41:18 a ding dong. Alright. Bring out the blades everybody. It's time. Are you are you set? Are you set? You got you got your blade? Yep. I got it right here. Wait. Okay. Alright. Let me see it.

2:41:27 Alright.

2:41:30 Lizard and Izilla,

2:41:32 Christian, and Richard Claypool. Please, all of you step up right here on the podium. You're about to become Knights and Dames of No Agenda round table. I'm very proud to pronounce Kate the as Dame Lizard, keeper of the Squatch,

2:41:44 and Dame Izilla,

2:41:46 Pixie of Cascadia,

2:41:47 Sir Raka of the Spicy Mountains, and Sir Lloyd Richard Fran Francis Claypool. The first for you, we've got Hookers and Blow, Rimpoising Chardonnay along with chicken Alfredo paired with a Cabus Cabernet

2:41:59 Cabernet

2:42:01 Cabernet Sauvignon and a provision of alcohol whiskey forbidden by AI along with ginger ale and gerbils,

2:42:07 breast milk and paddlemen, of course, the mutton and meat.

2:42:11 We got we got cog block on the whiskey. That's unbelievable what the what technology does these days. Go to noagendarings.com.

2:42:18 Congratulations.

2:42:20 These rings are beautiful. They're Signet rings for Dames and for Knights. All we need from you is your

2:42:26 ring size. There's a handy ring sizing guide right there on the website. Let us know where to send it off to you and we'll get it to you with the right size, the right address. It comes with a certificate of authenticity and as always,

2:42:38 several sticks of wax for which you can seal your important correspondence. And thank you and congratulations. Welcome to the No round table.

2:42:47 No Agenda

2:42:49 meetups.

2:42:52 It's kind of happening.

2:42:54 Well, you already heard about it. People find their lifetime spouses and mates at the No Agenda meetups. Go to noagendameetups.com

2:43:01 to find out where

2:43:03 you can attend one of these fabulous get togethers. It's better than a sock hop. Here's proof. This is a meetup report from the OKC

2:43:10 America Fest No Agenda meetup. Hey, John and Adam. This is Andrew with the America Fest Oklahoma City meetup that happened at the Paseo Pad. We had a lot of fun. We didn't have any Knights and Dame show up, but I did get the bands to do some greetings. So here they are. Hey. It's Cubizar. I'm over here at the American Fest at the Okay Music Expo in the Pasio Pass. These

2:43:31 people are really good. What's

2:43:36 up, everybody? It's What? Ethan and Sebi. We just played at the America Fest down here at OKC.

2:43:45 It was great. It was awesome. Hi. We are Clementine and Cat Co, and we are so happy to be here at Oklahoma Music Expo's America Fest. What's up, y'all? It's Pumps, and we are here at the Museo Pad for America Fest. I'm Carter Wright. I'm at America Fest at the Okay Music Expo. How are you? Hey. We're fast Pontiac. We just played here for America Fest at the Oklahoma Music Expo. Just rocked it out. It was awesome time.

2:44:08 We're at Oklahoma Music Expo,

2:44:11 and we're still alone. That's

2:44:14 the report from Oklahoma City. We will be having more shows later this year. And, Adam, here's an open invitation for you. We're not that far from you. I hope to see you soon. Not that far. That's true. Not that if I ever get a holiday, if I ever become a granddad, then we'll see what we can do. Thank you very much for that report. We have a meet up tomorrow. This is an important one. It's happening in France. Baroness Isabel Pearson

2:44:34 is giving the second No Agenda South of France meet up 07:00

2:44:39 France time at Purgardez

2:44:42 and that's in Monozone Guerre in France.

2:44:45 Look it up at noagendameetups.com.

2:44:47 Go this is a nice place she's got going there there. And I expect to receive a meetup report from that meetup. On Saturday,

2:44:54 the Soviet Kanakistan work camp meetup. Hello. 01:00 at Gulf Ontario Canada,

2:45:01 and

2:45:02 you wanna contact the Cubby Monster for details. Oh, I guess it's kind of a secret deal. Also tomorrow, again, my wife's birthday, the Treasure Valley Boise meetup that'll be at the Old State Saloon in Eagle, Idaho. And coming up this month, San Pedro, California on the eighteenth, Anaheim, California the twenty fifth, Alpharetta, Georgia on the thirtieth,

2:45:20 and on the August 8.

2:45:22 We are so international. Bangkok, Thailand,

2:45:25 Eagle, Idaho, and Santa Rosa, California. The fifteenth, Oakland, California. The twentieth, Charlotte, North Carolina. The August 22, Chattanooga Chattanooga,

2:45:34 Tennessee.

2:45:35 The Boise, Idaho on the twelfth. Oh, that's September already. Oh, this is September, October. Oh my goodness.

2:45:41 There oh, we have a October 3, Midlands UK. We are international people.

2:45:46 So go to noagendameetups.com.

2:45:48 You can find one anywhere in the world at this point. Here's the good news. If you can't find one, you can start one yourself. Connection is protection. The people that will come to this meetup that you will meet will be your first responders in any emergency. Noagendameetups.com.

2:46:02 Always guaranteed a party.

2:46:24 As we come closer to the end of our broadcast day here, we still have some very cool end of show mixes coming up along with John's coveted top tip of the day. But first, we like to select some ISOs which will be used at the end of the program. Why we do it? No one knows anymore.

2:46:41 But right now, it's just the the me against the machine. John's coming in with his celebrity

2:46:47 AI ISOs.

2:46:49 Would you like to go first or second?

2:46:52 Second.

2:46:53 Okay. I will start with mine. I love it. I love it. I love it. More of this.

2:47:00 Thought that was pretty good myself.

2:47:03 Here's another one. Thanks for the money. See you guys.

2:47:07 Nope. And then back to the well. That's a deep dive.

2:47:13 Okay. Alright. What do you have?

2:47:17 I think I'm going to defer.

2:47:20 What?

2:47:21 You're going to defer? I think I love it. I love it. I love it. It's a good I love it. Love it. Love it. More of this. Alright. I love it. I love it. I love it. It's the end of show ISO, but now it's time for John's tip of the day.

2:47:33 Greet fast for you and me. Just the tip with JCD

2:47:39 and sometimes Adam.

2:47:42 Alright. This is an Amazon's choice as a matter of fact. So people, you know, they I have my thoughts on batteries

2:47:49 and

2:47:50 at some point you gotta say,

2:47:53 shouldn't should I be buying these rechargeable

2:47:55 lithium ion batteries? Well, that is a very good question. Should I be buying these rechargeable lithium When it comes to these Kratax

2:48:05 k r a t a x 3,700

2:48:09 milliwatt hour

2:48:10 Woah. Triple a rechargeable

2:48:12 lithium batteries

2:48:14 with charger,

2:48:16 eight pack for $23.

2:48:18 If you charge these batteries four times,

2:48:22 now you're at the now that the cost is the same as it would be the cheap a cheap alkaline battery. And these particular batteries are sad. I I don't I I have a hard time believing it, but should be rechargeable

2:48:37 for 2,000

2:48:39 cycles. Get out of town. Making these batteries

2:48:43 not only powerful

2:48:45 with with a with a amazing

2:48:47 current,

2:48:49 but

2:48:51 basically free.

2:48:53 Free? Free.

2:48:55 Well, I mean, after you charge something so so one battery

2:48:59 is, like, in

2:49:01 this case, like, $4

2:49:03 wait. Four times. Yeah. Four let's say $3 plus the charger. The battery's probably about a $3 battery, and after charging it 2,000

2:49:14 times,

2:49:15 it becomes like

2:49:17 a it costs you like a penny for the battery. Well, what about the energy that it costs to to to to create It doesn't really it doesn't really use that much to recharge these things.

2:49:27 So, anyway, the the crate this is the Kratax

2:49:31 k r and they're actually kind of an attractive battery.

2:49:35 K r a t a x 3,700

2:49:38 milliwatt

2:49:38 hour

2:49:40 double a rechargeable

2:49:41 lithiums,

2:49:42 $23

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2:53:11 Scene.

2:53:13 What started as producing noise in the late night feed aged into debriefing that the anchors have to read. They laughed at the tin foe when it whispered through the static. Now the static's got a budget and the whispers automatic.

2:53:27 Moonbases with sci fi till the slides hit the table. Now the same voices that mocked it. Gotta spin the new fable. Say, I've been the daylight used to be a late night

2:54:03 the meme that grew teeth. Truth was in the discount bin now. It's front page elite. Second Afflex,

2:54:10 watch the script rewrite itself. The half they tried to bury turned out to be the real

2:54:40 Twisted signals in the missile salute.

2:54:43 Fighting the reels while the facts get dilute. Striking the deal or just striking the loop, choke point squeeze, got the whole word in pursuit. Geopolitical

2:54:52 light instruct the Qatari tanker. Diplomatic timing couldn't have been in your anchor. Liquid gold burning water premium spite. Narrative suits try to dim the spotlight. Media megaphone blasting Iran, did it clean. Beast process time and feeling way too pristine.

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2:55:10 in the shadow of the crowd. Value4Value

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2:55:19 while the tankers bleed Spin gets shredded so the facts get free.

2:55:24 Pictures painted with the missile parade. Floating infernals of the narrative made. Who benefits when the tanker goes boom? Gas pumps crying while the suits assume.

2:55:34 Comedy tragedy on the old world stage. Chokepoint comedy written on the front page Layers hidden in the missile salute

2:55:42 Truth in the barrel, why they playing it cute And sure rinse or justice Counting barrels of pain Homer's inferno Got the whole region strain

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