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0:00 I love max velocity with Larry Blytner.

0:04 Darren O'Neill.

0:05 It's Thursday, 07/30/2026.

0:08 This is your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination episode eighteen ninety.

0:12 This is No Agenda.

0:14 And we're broadcasting

0:16 live from just outside of Chirac right here in the FEMA region number five in the morning, everybody. I am Darren O'Neill.

0:23 And from the pretentious Connecticut shore, this is Larry Blydner, keeping commies and creeps at bay with my gleaming scimitar of truth.

0:32 It's Darren and Larry. In the morning.

0:36 Yeah.

0:37 That was weird.

0:39 That was stimulating, especially those, those dropouts.

0:43 It was just on my end. I double clicked. That was that was the problem. Sometimes you single click, sometimes you double click. But when it's live, baby, it is live. It's live. So you got your single mistake out of the way. Now you'll be perfect for the rest of the show. Everything's gonna be great. People like, who are these guys? What is going on?

0:58 We're not telling them anything. They have to ask us. It's a secret.

1:03 I understand. This is the show must go on. This is the time.

1:07 Yes. Thursdays and Sundays.

1:09 Right now, no agenda happens no matter what.

1:13 No matter what. And with the

1:16 sad passing of John C. Dvorak,

1:19 Adam Curry needs a couple of weeks off.

1:22 And he

1:23 asked the two kids that just wanted to go joyride the car if they wanted to do the show and

1:28 I wasn't gonna say no.

1:30 No. No. And you couldn't say no for me. I speak for myself. We've

1:36 been doing a little show called Planet Rage for the last five years, five years at the end of August.

1:43 Isn't that amazing?

1:45 And we basically stole the whole No Agenda vibe. We there's a clip show. We was original like No Agenda, we were originally gonna do like an hour show.

1:56 Yeah.

1:56 Keep it short.

1:58 Just bring clips that made us mad.

2:01 But that's that sounds awful when you say steal because there was more we kind of tumbled into it, Darren. Right? It's an homage.

2:09 Yeah. But I mean, you you were doing this other show, right, with sir Bemros and then you guys had a falling out or creative differences as they say in Hollywood. Right?

2:18 And then, you had the, the kindness and fortitude to ask me if I wanted to fill in. But of course, I'm no Ben,

2:24 not even a little.

2:26 And then you said, why don't why don't we just do no agenda? Okay. Let's do that. Right? Am I is that correct? Am I remembering correctly? It's like here's the concept, it works.

2:36 Yeah.

2:37 We just added anger management issues to the joke that I've been going with for the Poorly last

2:43 managed. Couple of years because, I mean, normally, we're a a little saltier, but we don't have to be. No. We know this is more of a family audience, so we'll keep it, kind of in check. We'll try to warn you if there are any, f bombs coming up, and there's been some from politicians this week, which was Yes. There have. Isn't that fabulous? Yeah. But the world works in

3:05 very strange ways

3:08 and the way Larry and I got together is no different.

3:11 Oh, it's bizarre.

3:13 Kicking off. Well, Larry needed help with some audio gear and I just happened to do a

3:19 video review of it on Amazon

3:22 and YouTube. I think you saw it on Amazon.

3:25 I saw it on Amazon. It was about a preamp

3:28 that I needed and then there was a guy.

3:31 The PBX, you know, and it's $200, but $200 is $200. And so there was this this guy saying, you know, if you wanna know more more about this, just what is it? Email me or

3:40 did that work? Was it through Amazon? I don't even remember. I don't know. But you because I had the reviews email address set up at the time because that's when Amazon was letting you get free stuff to do reviews and all that. Mhmm. Yeah. And Larry asked the question and rather than being a,

3:56 you know, miscreant, I was like, no, I can answer.

3:58 And you did.

4:00 And it just kind of

4:02 went from there. He's like, hey, I do this podcast.

4:05 So I started checking out that Larry show, that larryshow.com.

4:08 And

4:09 I was at that point actually

4:13 not doing

4:14 a show at all.

4:16 Mhmm. And there was a buddy of mine that wanted to do a show. We had done a few episodes

4:22 but then that kind of went by the wayside. I had the

4:26 retina blowout, five retinal surgeries, lost most of the vision in my right eye. So if I'm slow at reading the notes,

4:34 the left eye isn't great either floaters and that kind of stuff. And I could hear in my ear,

4:39 the producer in the sky, John C. Dvorak going, yeah, use the eye thing. It's good for donations. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Plus let's tell everybody you look like a pirate.

4:48 I really should. Give us some I should wear the eye patch. Wear the patch. Yeah. It would be a fashion accessory like the guy from the eighties that did that round and round song. Right? There was that weird

5:00 video.

5:02 Mhmm. But I hadn't been doing a show and Larry's the one that's like dude, just do it solomento,

5:07 do a solo show.

5:09 Do you like when Adam tells stories about you, I try to do the low voice and it it just doesn't

5:14 work but Well, it's true. And and because I guarantee you would never be disappointed

5:20 by a guest that didn't show. And have you been? No. True.

5:24 Yeah. So I started doing random thoughts,

5:27 which I'm still doing 370

5:30 whatever it is episodes into that. And that is a solo show which is

5:34 anybody that's done one will tell you way harder than a show with somebody else.

5:39 Pretty much. Yeah. So it kind of helped me go through all of these things and

5:44 while I was faced down for I'm forgetting even how many weeks it was totally, but I'm remembering like twelve weeks because it's normally just two or three,

5:54 but then they had to redo the surgery and redo the surgery and it wasn't until I found a better surgeon that they finally got the retina to stay up, but then the vision was pretty much gone. But

6:04 while being faced down twenty four hours a day, which also meant sleeping faced down with your head in a donut. I remember JCD reading my note when I made a donation right afterwards and

6:14 was like,

6:16 because yeah, it's no fun. No. That can't be good. But I spent a lot of time

6:21 during those weeks listening to podcasts and I'd already been a

6:26 semi regular No Agenda fan, but this kind of took it into

6:32 full orbit,

6:33 which the oddest thing when you're kind of like sleep deprived

6:37 having those earphones in

6:39 falling asleep face down with the podcast on.

6:43 I remember having multiple dreams

6:46 where it was like I was in the room

6:49 with Adam and John and it happened with the Tell them Steve, get Dave guys as well who I was listening to that podcast too. Because I mean Were you clothed in this room? Yes. Yes. Everybody was totally clothed. Alright. But it was like I was a part of the conversation.

7:03 While I'm dreaming, I'm answering and arguing, but of course, they can't hear me because it's a podcast and it's not live and I'm not really there.

7:12 Wow.

7:13 But that's how that all came to be, random thoughts came to be and then I went to Void Zero, the guy that keeps everything running for the No Agenda show.

7:23 And I'm like, I've I've got this podcast. I mean, how do I get it on the Mighty No Agenda stream? And he's like, go to sir Bembrose. And I'm like, oh Jesus.

7:32 I mean, I didn't know Bembrose then. So I'm just remembering Alright. Now I should have thought

7:37 So that got added to the stream. Mark Van Dyke, Void Zeroes was doing the music show before No Agenda and he started having his kids and his family. He's like, you wanna take over for a few weeks?

7:50 Ah, okay. In 700 and some odd episodes of the

7:56 the rock and roll pre show later, here we are. Here we are. And then you brought me into you hit you hit me in the mouth. Yeah. About No Agenda. And here's what's here's where it gets extra crazy.

8:06 It was right at ground zero of the scandemic.

8:11 And and here we are now back and it's it's sort of reared its head. It's flaming head. Yes. With the Fauci Fuhrer that's going on right now, which is really kind of bizarre and providential,

8:22 I think.

8:23 It is a very interesting look because we always figured we're gonna get some kind of information on that and there's plenty of that

8:30 to

8:31 dissect here today, but we kinda just wanted to let everybody know who

8:35 we are, why

8:37 we're here.

8:39 Adam needed a couple of weeks off and

8:42 I don't know what's happening after that. I don't think Adam knows what's happening after that as of yet, but the guy needed a break. And if there's one thing we've noticed

8:53 with any podcast,

8:55 when you take a week off, even when you try to run

8:59 a best of or something like that, people kind of tune out and they don't really pay much attention.

9:05 Mhmm. And we were more than happy to

9:09 fill in because it seems very natural to the Adams like, why are you feeling? I'm like, feels like a regular show with way more clips and way more donations.

9:17 Yeah.

9:19 That's kind of the the aspect there. And so, yeah, when when I went to you and said, hey, listen to this No Agenda, you're like, Adam Curry, the the MTV guy? So

9:29 it's a very interesting thing because you were definitely coming into this knowing Adam but not knowing John C. Dvorak where I knew Adam because I saw Headbangers ball and all that on MTV,

9:40 but I was the guy with the computer at 12 years old and playing with all this stuff in the eighties. So Dvorak was

9:47 the thing that brought me in. So I guess it all it

9:51 all comes full circle,

9:53 I suppose. It sure does. Very strange.

9:56 And the universe works in very weird ways.

9:58 It does. It's glorious.

10:01 The only time I'd ever spoken to this many people and hello Gitmo Nation. Thank you for letting us come into your ears today.

10:08 Yes. Thank you one and all. Thank you producers, which we plan to convert to

10:13 plaintiffs. No. Just kidding. Criminals. Right. Exactly.

10:19 The only time was I I won a radio contest back in the day

10:23 Mhmm. To go in and do these sports on the loop, f f 98 for one segment. So it was like fifteen minutes.

10:31 Because the guy that normally do the sports was on vacation. And

10:35 the guy that I went in to do his show

10:38 was the great Jonathan Brandmeyer, Johnny b. Johnny b. So when I tuned in to No Agenda again around that time of the eye surgery, it's like I noticed that the and I don't know how far back it goes,

10:52 but the voice that you hear or have heard at the beginning of every No Agenda up until today

10:59 that said, it's Crackpot and Buzzkill.

11:02 That's Johnny B.

11:04 Mhmm. So it's like this was just a very weird full circle moment for me as well. Because if it wasn't for Johnny B,

11:11 I would have never start playing with microphones and pretending to be doing radio shows and all of that. Oh, dude, when I was like 10, 12, whenever he hit Chicago in high school, just slightly before,

11:23 I would get up at like five in the morning in the summertime just to listen to Johnny's show on the loop because it was hilarious.

11:31 So he was your, unknowing mentor.

11:34 Wow. Yeah. No doubt about it. So when I heard his voice at the beginning of every No Agenda, I'm like,

11:40 This is interesting.

11:41 Yeah.

11:43 The universe,

11:45 I I don't even try to figure

11:47 out exactly

11:49 why things happen at this point. I just go with them and say they happen for a reason. Well, it happened even again yesterday when we were doing or yeah, we're doing Planet Rage.

11:59 And some for some reason I mentioned

12:01 the robot from Lost in Space, Doctor. Smith, then you kind of chimed in on that. And what was like at the same time,

12:08 Adam and the preacher were discussing

12:11 same Adam Kevin. Same show.

12:13 After Jimmy released an episode called Danger Will Robinson and we were just doing the danger Will Robinson bit. Very strange. What are the odds?

12:22 I don't know. And I will say my anxiety

12:25 level

12:27 on

12:28 Sunday when the announcement was made was not much. I figured that's I'm doing a show. I'm used to talking. If there's one thing I'm good at, it's talking.

12:37 Monday

12:38 came on, Adam's sending me all the information that I need. He set up this guy is a beyond a vibe coder. He has created a podcasting system

12:46 that he could probably have an exit strategy and make a lot of money with.

12:50 And he was hooking me up with this and I'm like, oh dude, this is awesome. This is great.

12:55 I gotta, you know, get out of here. Gotta go the wife's coming home for lunch and then I'm doing Planet Rage and it's like great. The wife's in the door, her phone's going off with a tornado warning. No big deal. That happens here all the time.

13:08 By like twenty to one, twenty minutes before Planet Rage would have started,

13:13 it was darker than night

13:16 and the storm that hit here was of epic proportions,

13:21 100 mile an hour plus winds,

13:24 the power went out which is the anxiety level went like way higher because the last time the power went out at my parents house, it was out for four days and I'm like, I don't have four days.

13:34 And it took like twenty nine, thirty hours it was I think the power was out so okay that came back on but then

13:42 we missed a couple of Planet Rages and I said to Larry, I'm like,

13:46 I mean, you don't think Dvorak would send like tornadoes and stuff to try to keep me from doing the show. What'd add Larry? He's like, yeah, I do. I think he probably would. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's all because

13:59 I I trolled him with music and

14:02 Brenda Christiansen, I think her name was, if I'm messing that up, I apologize, did a really nice

14:07 obituary

14:09 for the late great John C. Dvorak where she mentioned one

14:13 that he hated Abba with a passion. So the fact that I played Dancing Queen for him one day, I knew I hit.

14:19 Oh.

14:21 But she also said he had a mad crush on Britney Spears, and I'm like, I could have used this information.

14:28 JZD gave me so much crap for being a Taylor Swift fan.

14:33 They had a mad crush on Britney Spears.

14:37 Well Like that is I could have used that information. That is good trolling information right there.

14:42 Yeah.

14:44 But now we know. He got the last laugh. I don't that's that was his plan all along. No doubt about it. Who knows what'll fly out of the sky and bonk you in the back of the head, Darren. Looked. Always been with you about any tornadoes. There was one

14:59 that they posted the

15:02 path of the tornado that hit just to the east of here.

15:06 And I was watching Max Velocity. So Mimi, I love Max Velocity. When the when the power was going out and the weather's bad, I'm tuning into Max Velocity because the people local,

15:16 they're garbage.

15:19 So I'm watching Max Velocity and they've got the storm chasers

15:23 that are in the town like

15:26 two miles away from here.

15:28 Mhmm. And a professional

15:30 storm chaser

15:32 driving through this, this is what they do every day,

15:36 is yelling, holy shit.

15:39 I'm like, okay, one, we know this is bad.

15:42 We know this is really bad.

15:45 But one of these tornadoes

15:47 made like a weird loop. So it like went up to the North and then came back to the West and then like you were drawing an l

15:55 cursive. I know kids are like, what's cursive? What's cursive? If you were drawing an l in cursive, that is the path this tornado took and Max Velocity called it a drunknado. I've never heard of that before. A drunk NATO. Okay. That's what happened here on Monday.

16:11 Yeah. And you survived that. Yes. You did. Which I was Why do they I got a question for you. Is somebody somebody's working as a storm chaser.

16:20 How does he get paid?

16:22 I think most of this is now through YouTube because people

16:27 donate

16:28 through the super chats and they also get money

16:32 from the ad revenue that YouTube brings in, which is the only thing I can figure because now

16:38 that is a huge

16:41 industry and some of these larger storms you'll see Wait, there's like stop. Storm chasing is a huge industry? Oh my goodness. There were some of these storms that I've seen on the Max Velocity channel.

16:52 Mimi loves Max Velocity.

16:54 That there was like thirty, forty, fifty storm chasers all on the same storm. I'm like, how can there be so many of you?

17:02 And who pays a Max Velocity or YouTube? Well, he would pay some of them to be a part of his network, but otherwise there's a lot that just have their own YouTube channels.

17:11 Wow.

17:13 I gotta start caring more about the weather. I know, you just have to get like a big tank of a car,

17:19 maybe an old Lexus, you know, put some big panels on the outside so when you're driving through a

17:25 tornado you could not,

17:27 you know, so the car doesn't flip over. I mean, there was just some crazy damage in the area. So

17:33 we were totally blessed that the house is still standing. The only problem we had was the power going out. There were a lot of people

17:41 not so lucky very close to here and up in Appleton, Wisconsin,

17:45 just absolutely

17:47 insane.

17:49 But

17:50 now that everybody knows who we are.

17:53 Yes. Let's get to the Anthony Fauci bit because

17:56 Okay.

17:57 Fauci is

17:59 an interesting character and I understand why

18:04 they're going after him.

18:06 Well, sure. But

18:08 you know, I mean, it's it's all politics at this point.

18:13 Not gonna go anywhere. I mean, meaning he has his full immunity.

18:18 Yeah, it's theater, it's political theater. It's like he had his turn on stage reciting the lines

18:25 he chose.

18:26 Now he's on the other side and it's, you know, it's all these and

18:31 the other guys turn

18:32 to to wax poetic.

18:35 And, you know, it's it's pretty funny, but it what what I've struck me about this is if if you think you've got, you know, two and a half centuries

18:43 of of legislative,

18:45 frivolity going on here. And in that entire time, I think this is the absolute zenith

18:50 of comedy in American government.

18:52 Nothing could ever touch this.

18:54 No. I mean, he took the

18:57 Fifth Amendment

18:59 a 111

19:00 times.

19:01 CNN said it was one twelve. So But no. This is even better.

19:05 Yeah. Doctor Anthony Fauci invoked the fifth amendment 111

19:09 times. Once hailed as the nation's savior, got pummeled today as he pleaded the fifth a grand total of a 111

19:18 times. Obviously,

19:19 he invoked,

19:20 his fifth amendment rights a 111 times.

19:23 Pleads the fifth not once,

19:26 but 111

19:27 times. Yeah. More than 70 times, pleading the fact. More than 70 times he invoked his right under the fifth amendment to the constitution.

19:35 So Fox News

19:36 counted them up and gave a 111

19:39 every time they announced it. But that was CNN then. This was a super gut. CNN says, oh, over 70. What do you mean over 70?

19:46 Well, I got one where she says it was, one twelve.

19:49 So there.

19:51 It shows you can't even get that straight. Simply

19:53 counting the Fifth Amendment,

19:55 grabs. I can't get that straight. It's terrible. Well, it shows you why the the mainstream media is less than

20:03 believable.

20:04 Yeah. But a lot of what came out of this was due to Fauci's

20:09 diary which Yes.

20:12 Some very interesting things in there. I had a clip here from, RFK junior.

20:18 Mhmm. And I thought this was fairly interesting.

20:21 One of the things that was new to me in his diary

20:25 was his admission that he got a pulmonary infarction

20:31 in July 2021 after receiving the vaccine.

20:35 So he took the the Moderna vaccine on national TV,

20:39 telling in a very, very highly publicized press conference,

20:43 a show of people that was safe.

20:45 Then he got one of the primary,

20:48 most expected

20:50 adverse events, which was potentially deadly blood clots in his lung, myocardial infarction.

20:56 He kept that secret from the American public, and we only learned about it because of his diary.

21:01 He was getting the best medical treatment that is available to anybody in the world at Walter Reed and all these other centers. There were doctors fawning over him.

21:11 Meanwhile, he was telling other people to take this product

21:15 and concealing the fact that he himself,

21:17 after

21:18 announcing this press conference to show it was safe,

21:21 had actually gotten very, very sick from a from an injury that was highly expected and highly likely to be caused by the vaccine.

21:30 I mean, I think that's even more damning.

21:33 But and he'll how many he also how many times did he contract COVID? There were several for him as well, just like Joey and all the all the major, spikers,

21:40 really.

21:41 It's just incredible. Safe and effective, but he Safe and effective. A massive

21:46 reaction to it.

21:48 Mhmm. I mean, of transparency,

21:51 anybody?

21:51 Oh, please.

21:53 I mean, I know there's nothing that more than you would expect, but it's interesting when you see these

21:58 talking heads up and down the line like, oh, they're using his diary. It's like, but you don't Is this like a fake diary? Like the Hunter Biden laptop

22:07 or

22:08 this is legit

22:10 and he's not happy about this.

22:12 I would think this is good information. Why wouldn't you cover that?

22:16 Yeah. Well, I think well, I think a lot of the left doesn't wanna cover because it paints him for the the crazy self aggrandizing,

22:24 clown that he is. You know, he's he's so he's he's an attention whore, you know, with with flashing lights around his head.

22:32 And,

22:33 you know, I think they're they're intentionally overlooking a lot of it because it it it paints him as the true buffoon

22:39 that he is, the evil buffoon.

22:41 Yes. And, you know, we're hearing about this, but there's unfortunately, there's very little audio. There was a there was a thing of of Julia Roberts, with him. I'm sure a lot of people saw a clip of that.

22:51 But it's what what Fauci said to himself

22:54 about all this that I think is so fascinating.

22:59 And I have three very brief entries that I plucked out from I think it was like 1,100

23:04 page PDF. It a huge document, all this crap

23:07 that I think that people might enjoy hearing.

23:11 I don't know. Yeah. Right? Why not? I would think this is a inner look into what this guy

23:17 was thinking, which the

23:20 over

23:21 seems the overall consensus seems to be that he was way more interested in being

23:27 on TV

23:29 being America's doctor

23:31 Yeah. Rather than, you know Yeah. The medicine.

23:35 Like, here's here's one from 05/13/2020.

23:38 Right? Had a wonderful Instagram discussion with Julia Roberts.

23:43 She was absolutely fabulous.

23:46 She embarrassed me somewhat when I sat down in the chair and appeared on the screen through Zoom.

23:51 She put her hands in front of a mountain and said, oh my god. It's doctor Fauci. He is here.

23:56 Then she went on to say that I was her personal hero and how happy she was to have this conversation with me. Great experience.

24:04 Then

24:05 02/23/2021,

24:08 had a great call with Barbara Streisand.

24:11 She called my cell at 06:05PM.

24:13 She has recently had a zoster

24:15 lesion on her buttock.

24:18 She This in his diary.

24:20 Is in his diary. Imagine there's Babs, right, who's been her entire career she's insisted

24:26 people only shoot one side of her face with photographs.

24:30 And now Fauci's ratted her out that she's got a she's got a lesion on her ass.

24:35 Imagine how happy she must be about this, America's doctor.

24:38 So Safaci goes on to say, she has postsostin

24:42 neuralgia down her leg, but the primary lesion has healed.

24:46 She wanted to know if it was okay to get them an RA vaccine. I told her yes.

24:51 We then stared

24:53 we started when it started discussing life in general,

24:56 I told her that I worked listening to her songs on Alexa.

25:00 She really did not know what Alexa was.

25:03 I accidentally butt dialed her later in the evening and she said that she was gonna call me anyway since she wanted to know if there was any difference between the Moderna and Pfizer product. I told her none. I then explained to her more about Alexa.

25:17 I brought the phone over to Alexa

25:21 and asked it to play songs by Barbara Streisand.

25:25 When the song came on loud and clear, she started laughing and absolutely

25:30 loved it.

25:33 Wow. How about that? Oh, verbatim. I'm not I'm not I'm not planting anything here. This is this is right at his diaries. Okay?

25:40 And here's this one. This is like this takes the cake, this one. 05/22/2021.

25:46 I had a most extraordinary and memorable evening last night at the Kennedy Center.

25:51 Joan Baez

25:53 invited me to be her escort

25:56 on the occasion of receiving the Kennedy Center Medallion.

26:00 Finally,

26:01 I got to meet her in person after the year long building up of our friendship via texts and phone calls.

26:08 She is absolutely amazing,

26:10 warm,

26:10 and endearing person, and our friendship was cemented last night as it became clear

26:16 that we really were, as I said,

26:18 meant for each other. I

26:21 was somewhat taken aback by the attention

26:24 that was paid to me by all the celebrities who were there, who were gushing to have their picture taken with me and tell me how much they were appreciative of what I've been doing.

26:34 A typical example was Garth Brooks' wife Tricia Yearwood who was just gushing to meet me. The same was true for many other people including

26:43 Debbie Allen

26:44 and Broadway legend Chita Rivera as well as Dick Van Dyke.

26:49 I got to escort Joan up to the stage to receive her award and I sat with her as she waited to go on the stage.

26:57 After the ceremony,

26:58 we all went outside and had champagne.

27:01 It was a spectacular

27:02 evening.

27:04 He seems very verbose for a guy who wouldn't answer any questions.

27:10 Word for word, baby. I mean, this guy's got some serious kinks in his head. And why was he even writing this down during the I

27:18 mean and why is he writing this to himself? I mean, he knows what happened. I mean I mean, holy shit. And this was obviously that why

27:26 was this released? Meaning, this obviously was public record, not just a

27:31 Apparently,

27:32 this wasn't handwritten

27:33 in some journal. This was, you know, perhaps

27:36 he was foolish enough to keep this on some some NIH,

27:40 you know,

27:42 place?

27:43 Don't know. But it obviously,

27:45 Rand Paul found a way to get his mitts on it, here we are.

27:49 Yes. And Rand Paul has been very clear that he

27:53 thinks Anthony Fauci is

27:55 a criminal.

27:57 The Biden pardon, which was probably signed by the auto pen, seems to give him immunity,

28:04 which

28:05 that was the most interesting thing framing

28:08 this appearance in front of the Senate Committee because

28:13 they couldn't legally hold him responsible

28:17 for admitting

28:18 anything.

28:20 The only way he was going to get himself in trouble

28:24 was if they could then prove he lied in his answers,

28:28 which just tells me that he was maybe meaning to not be so upfront.

28:35 But this is just an example of

28:37 this session which I was watching and it was kind of comedic, but it was also kinda sad.

28:43 Senator Alling.

28:44 Thank you, mister chairman.

28:47 Well, nothing says honesty like taking the fifth, doc?

28:50 Let's try something.

28:52 What day of the week is it today?

28:58 On the advice of counsel,

29:00 I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the constitution. What color tie are you wearing?

29:08 On the advice of counsel,

29:09 I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the constitution. What color is the carpet in front of you?

29:18 Good questions.

29:19 Yeah. On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the constitution.

29:27 Yeah. There's a public servant for you. There's a public servant. Now interestingly enough that you brought this up, remember at that hearing he had according to Rand Paul, there were six attorneys accompanying him, right? Five sitting behind him and then one next to him who got thrown out because he couldn't keep his mouth shut, which is very funny.

29:45 But you know, there's always an alternate opinion.

29:48 And, this is the woman on CNN that said there were 112,

29:52 uses of the

29:54 the Fifth Amendment.

29:55 And she was talking with some law professor, some some prestigious university, I don't remember which. And he he thinks Fauci

30:02 did himself a tremendous disservice

30:05 by taking the fifth and you can hear him

30:08 blather in the Fauci number two. Law professor says Fauci goofed.

30:13 Yeah. And I don't know how you wouldn't because

30:17 it is

30:19 what everybody just assume. It's like when you hear mobsters, oh, we're taking the fifth. Well, it's because you have to be a criminal.

30:25 Yeah. Ryan,

30:27 112

30:28 times to invoke the Fifth Amendment. I mean, you can't even string all that together.

30:33 That obviously It sends a message. Will that strategy

30:37 work? Because he says, Well, I had to do that because they're looking for perjury traps. Or does that just make it worse, and is he in real trouble?

30:44 I think it makes it worse. It's even a curious

30:47 way in which you wonder what his legal advice was, and why they decided to do that. Because

30:53 he does not face criminal jeopardy for the pardon, in all likelihood. He's pardoned for all actions before January 2025,

31:00 but that also means that you're forced to testify. That's how prosecutors use immunity or pardons, and they say, now you're forced to

31:07 testify because you don't have any criminal liability,

31:09 what we're going to ask you about. So then to plead the Fifth is actually, he could then be held in contempt. There could be, theoretically at least, a justice department that goes after him for not answering when he is not really facing that criminal justice. Yeah, also when the reason put out is perjury traps, and of course, again, to the layperson, it's thing, well, why wouldn't you just say the truth? What would be the problem in that? Yeah.

31:30 So, you know, I understand that's a layperson thing, but it doesn't sound good.

31:34 Doesn't sound good. But I'll I'll say this. This like I said, this is the biggest, comedic,

31:39 event in the history of the United States government. No question about it. And Fauci,

31:45 I think he's he's missing a huge opportunity

31:48 because had he played that correctly and not listened to his attorneys,

31:53 he could be he would be getting a

31:55 residency

31:57 at Caesar's Palace and they'd come to him with a blank a blank goddamn check. Whatever you say, Tony, fill in a number yourself. You're our guy. Okay? He could've he could've he could've launched himself past the likes of of, Kinnison and Carlin,

32:11 really. And here's how. There's a there's a if you Fauci number three, this is what Fauci should have said to Josh Hawley when he was trying to rattle him. Yeah. We got the, his clip too because it's, it's very interesting, back and forth because,

32:26 he knew the game that was being played.

32:28 Yeah. It's a different version. Well, nothing says honesty like taking the fifth, doc?

32:33 Let's

32:34 try something.

32:36 What day of the week is it today? Thursday.

32:39 I know that because it was always a Thursday when I met your mother at the Holiday Inn. What color tie are you wearing? What color is your tie? Looks like puke. What color is the carpet in front of you? Brown. Like the skid marks in your BBDs.

32:53 K.

32:54 De Fauci doesn't have Fauci. It's a very realistic Fauci. Yeah. If Fauci done that, he'd he'd be the the biggest star in the planet right now. But he didn't do bad.

33:04 Well, and you he wouldn't have walked himself into any perjury

33:08 traps. And when

33:12 you constantly take the fifth, you look guilty

33:15 when,

33:16 they know that they can't prosecute him for anything. Really, the only thing

33:22 the Republicans

33:23 have going after him

33:25 is to

33:27 do what they can to destroy his public image. And I think they did a pretty good job of that.

33:33 Oh, yeah. Because he sat there and just was like, I know that I don't I don't know.

33:38 Mhmm. And again,

33:40 the question is,

33:42 can they really do anything because of the privilege which

33:46 things change? You can take the fifth to not incriminate yourself so you don't go to jail. But once you've gotten immunity,

33:53 it's a little different.

33:55 Let's just get one thing straight. You don't have any rights under the fifth amendment because you've been pardoned. As you very well know, as the supreme court has been clear for a century and more. Brown versus Walker, 1896.

34:06 When he has been pardoned, he may not stand upon his privilege.

34:11 You know that. Your lawyer is sitting behind you now shifting nervously in their chairs. They know it. This isn't about the constitution. This isn't about the law. This is about contempt.

34:19 Contempt for this body and contempt for the American people.

34:23 But I think I know why you're doing it. It's because you don't wanna answer questions.

34:28 It's because

34:29 you did all kinds of terrible things. It's because during the pandemic, you got rich,

34:34 didn't you? You got rich

34:36 while people were dying, hundreds of thousands of Americans over a million in the end, and you were getting rich. And not only were you doing that, you were using federal employees

34:46 with taxpayer money to apply for and solicit cash prizes

34:51 for you personally.

34:53 Cash prizes

34:54 totaling over $1,000,000.

34:57 You did all of that during the pandemic, didn't you?

35:01 That's a question.

35:03 Great one. Love that one. Love yeah. Because I thought she was like, well, is that rhetorical? Do you want me to answer?

35:08 And this was something that I did not know going into this, which again, this is

35:15 the route the Republicans took at this point because he wasn't going to answer. You get as much information out there

35:22 as you can. And the fact

35:24 that they had

35:26 the information and it wasn't just

35:28 what Josh Hawley said here, which is you made a lot of money on this. They had as the kids say, the receipts. They said you had this one of your staffers doing this, going after this prize,

35:41 this one of your staffers doing this, this doing this,

35:45 talking about the amount of money that he wasn't

35:48 this wasn't just like

35:50 Johns Hopkins or somebody's like, hey, doctor Fauci, you're doing so good. Here's a bunch of money. He was literally

35:57 using his minions who were getting paid by the federal government

36:02 to go out and be like, hey, hey, don't you think Fauci should get that award? Hey, don't you think Fauci should get that money? Sure.

36:09 He's harvesting votes.

36:11 And that is such a big difference where it's like you're

36:14 out there, one,

36:17 you're loving

36:18 being the center of attention,

36:21 which I guess maybe he hadn't really had that recently. I know he was big

36:26 during the AIDS epidemic and it's very interesting when you see the leftist media,

36:32 which is pretty much all of it,

36:34 fawn over what he did during the AIDS crisis and then you hear

36:38 what actually happened.

36:40 It's fascinating. I saw I didn't take it, but there was a clip of the 10 mile zone guy. What's his name?

36:48 Yeah, the lead guy, the founder of that. And he did about three minutes just extolling the virtues of Tony Fauci. And he actually went into

36:57 I was there when friends

36:59 of mine were saved by Fauci.

37:02 And there's a big difference of opinion in that. And there was a guy at that time, his name was Larry Kramer,

37:09 a gay guy, very, very vocal spokesman for the gay movement.

37:13 And he basically,

37:14 he

37:15 wanted Fauci executed back then.

37:18 So it's it's interesting to hear these people

37:21 step up to bat for this guy, really is. Well, it's the dimension a dimension b effect

37:27 because the people that are on the left are going to tell you

37:31 Fauci did nothing wrong.

37:34 He is he has to take the fifth because

37:37 the Republicans are trying to do a gotcha game on him. Yeah. And then you have the people on the right who seem to have

37:47 the evidence to back up what they're saying.

37:50 Mhmm.

37:50 The this I the Bernie Moreno

37:53 clip here. The

37:55 I this was one of my favorite because

37:58 after you have taken the fifth as Fauci did so many times,

38:02 I did not see this question come either. This one was beautiful in so many different ways,

38:09 which was, well, do you know what the Fifth Amendment says and who wrote it?

38:15 Senator

38:16 Johnson's comments about your opening statement, mister chairman. I think it was it was dead on. Very very well done.

38:22 Mister Fauci, do you know who David Schertler is?

38:28 On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the constitution.

38:36 Fifth amendment fifth amendment of the constitution.

38:39 What does the fifth amendment of the constitution say?

38:42 And then we have this nice

38:44 long

38:45 silence as Fauci is like going back to his lawyers. On

38:50 the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights on the fifth amendment of the constitution.

38:56 No. I'm just asking you what it says.

38:59 On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the constitution.

39:05 I'm gonna give the constitution to my aid. He'll bring it over to you so you can have it for future reference. I think it's

39:12 something that every American should know what the constitution says. Do you know who wrote the fifth amendment?

39:18 On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights on the fifth amendment of the constitution. So you're invoking a right that you don't know who wrote it or what it says. Is that correct?

39:29 Yes.

39:31 Which

39:32 very weird. Very weird sometimes.

39:35 Somebody has to come up with like, you know, some kind of a a musical

39:40 audio mix

39:41 of like the new the encyclopedia

39:43 for 2026.

39:45 And it's people asking all the mysterious,

39:47 you know,

39:49 solve the mystery of the holy trinity, you know, is there a goddess? And then every answer is Fauci reciting that, that line, you know. Yeah. And this Fox put this together. I think Fox has been listening.

40:01 Do you know Agenda?

40:02 I'll probably do. Sure. Under the advice of my attorneys,

40:06 I will invoke my right under the Fifth Amendment of the constitution

40:10 to refrain from answering your questions. On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment of the constitution. On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment of the constitution. Do you feel like you're a deep shit? On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the constitution.

40:31 On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer respectfully decline to answer respectfully decline to answer respectfully

40:37 decline to answer respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment of

40:43 I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment of the constitution. What color tie are you wearing? The advice of counsel,

40:51 I respectfully decline. And then they go on with a few of the other questions, but you get it. That's the Sure. Ring a bell every time it happens.

40:59 What do wanna bet that very soon, maybe right now, people are being pulled over on the side of the road for traffic infractions when the cop says license is registration,

41:07 they're reciting the Fifth Amendment.

41:09 Guarantee. Guarantee

41:10 that's gonna happen. I mean, wanna know your rights. There's no question about that. But Yeah.

41:16 It'll be, fun to see where that goes if there is any kind of lee legal repercussion.

41:22 I mean, we know that Republicans

41:24 are gonna try to get it. I doubt they're going to get anything.

41:28 Mhmm. But if you have been pardoned, the law says, well, then if you're called before

41:34 Congress, you are,

41:36 you know, compelled to answer,

41:39 then

41:40 you would be compelled to answer.

41:43 Mhmm. He looked terrified. And I was also thinking, the guy's 85 years old. As as Bobby DeKay told us, he had a pulmonary infarction. Right. That's no joke.

41:52 And, you know, he's

41:54 an old guy and and I thought he could he could just kinda wink out right there at the at the desk.

42:01 And then would would

42:03 Josh Hawley be charged with negligent

42:05 homicide? According to Democrats,

42:07 yes.

42:08 Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I I just don't understand because there seem if this is a personal diary, we have to assume that what the man wrote in it is legitimate

42:18 and true.

42:20 Mhmm.

42:21 And if there are things in there that cause people to question the way he handled the

42:27 COVID

42:28 thing,

42:29 well,

42:30 that's important because it did have an effect on everybody in the country and beyond.

42:36 Oh, yeah. So many businesses got screwed.

42:39 So many people couldn't go to church. Mean, that was the one that still sticks out of I don't remember where it was, but the people having church outside standing six feet apart and still that being broken up because, you know the science. Oh,

42:53 how many how many military guys got canned from the from the service because they wouldn't take the vax and and kids thrown out of schools? And it was it was just the reverberations

43:03 of this were incredible. Not to mention all the ones that had also had pulmonary infarctions and seizures and so on. It was unbelievable.

43:10 He is he is an evil little prick. I'll say that. He is. No. He's the science, Larry. Oh, that's excuse me. Is this oh, yeah. And for me, again,

43:21 the soliciting

43:23 money part is

43:26 the I mean, it really is a,

43:29 you know, Doctor. Evil right out of a bad comedy movie that's,

43:34 you know,

43:35 it's hard to believe.

43:37 And again, as a guy

43:39 who was

43:40 quite up there in age even at the time, it's like, are you soliciting money for what? You've already made a lot of money in your life. As far as I know, he's made a lot of money off the aids, the drugs, and things that have come out. There's a lot of these things you get a percent even if you're a public employee, which is very weird. Sure.

44:00 Yeah. I'd love to know that because you never, you know, you you do go these you go online and say, you know, what so and so's net worth. And it it might it might be off by 2000%,

44:07 you know, you never know. I saw one that said he was somewhere between 8 and 11,000,000,

44:12 which sounds low because I can remember people saying that's that he maybe had or was a party to

44:18 something like a 100 different medical patents. Yeah, I would think that'd be very lucrative,

44:23 but I'd

44:24 like to know, I don't know,

44:26 And I was quite interested that they could only

44:29 track, I think it was 600,000

44:32 somebody, I thought that maybe 600,000,000

44:35 to

44:36 the Wuhan Labs,

44:39 which again,

44:40 Fauci denied that at first. So there was a lot of things that

44:44 Wait a minute, that's some you're telling me that's the amount of money that Fauci had piped into that lab, 600 mil?

44:50 Wow. I mean, I think somebody said 600,000.

44:53 So it may I may be misremembering.

44:55 So don't quote me on that. Unlike the mainstream media, when I don't know something, I'll be like, you know, I heard something, but it may be wrong. We're doing a live show.

45:03 Yeah. The numbers can be

45:05 jumbled up at times. But either way, they originally said no money went there.

45:10 Oh, yeah. They wanted to hide where it came from. And again, this could have been the time.

45:16 And I don't know if I believe

45:19 Rand Paul who said paraphrasing,

45:22 you know, hey, if you would have just apologized,

45:24 if you would have just admitted that, you know, you were in over your skis, I know you hate that so I said that.

45:29 Thank you.

45:31 We could have And a Dave Ramsey clip now too. Go ahead. We could have just gone our merry way

45:36 and Fauci couldn't have been, as long as he told the truth, I don't know how they were going to

45:43 legally get him after the immunity

45:45 that he has.

45:47 But he doesn't even want to take responsibility

45:50 for the things

45:52 that he's been

45:54 outed for. Yeah.

45:56 And that's just kind of sad. And the Republicans, all they have again is to take his reputation

46:04 and do what they can to ruin his legacy.

46:08 And I think they did alright, but again, half the media is gonna report to you that the Republicans are big bad people and don't pay any attention to

46:15 what this guy wrote in his diary.

46:18 Yes.

46:19 That's correct. Now do you have anything else on Fauci? I mean, I think we actually got more coverage there than you actually got from Fauci during the

46:28 the hours that he sat there repeating the same. Could you why can't we make a living just reciting the same paragraph over and over? Wouldn't it be fun? Yeah. It'd be an easy layup.

46:38 Yeah. Speaking

46:40 of layup, this is a just a little a moose boosh for the left again.

46:47 This was a story that hit the Seattle storm owner who's in the WNBA.

46:52 I know everybody in No Agenda World loves sports ball.

46:56 But

46:57 Sophie Cunningham,

46:58 as we've talked about before, you know, very, you know, pointy chick who decided that,

47:04 one, it was okay

47:05 to

47:06 talk about being religious, which when it comes to being in the WNBA,

47:11 man, that's bad. That's bad. And has talked about the fact that she doesn't think it's right that somebody that is biologically

47:19 born a male

47:21 Mhmm. Should be able to play

47:24 against girls

47:26 in sports. It seems

47:29 normal to anybody that can

47:31 think and understand why Bob Costas.

47:34 We had a clip over on Planet Rage at one point. Bob Costas saying,

47:38 well, there's a reason why

47:40 you have a male who was four hundred and fiftieth in the swimming rankings as a guy going into the female rankings and going right to the top, but we've never

47:50 had the opposite.

47:52 No. And there's a reason why Sugar Ray Leonard never fought Mike Tyson. It's a thing called weight class and size matters.

47:58 Yes, it does. And

48:01 so these two 16 year old girls

48:04 were wearing t shirts from an organization

48:07 that wants only females in female sports. Crazy stuff.

48:11 Imagine that, the nerve.

48:13 And they were rooting for both teams and

48:16 they had signs that they love Sophie Cunningham

48:20 and

48:21 an old woman came up and yelled at them so much that it made them cry.

48:27 Mhmm. And that woman was the owner

48:30 of the Seattle storm where they were in the so this is them just a brief clip.

48:36 Okay. Well, we were just sitting there with their signs that said, like, we love Sophie. Like, thank you Sophie for speaking up. And so we were holding on, just watching the game. Again, like, we were being super great. We hadn't said anything to anyone else. We were being super respectful. We were just holding our signs and cheering for both teams. Mhmm. And this lady, older lady comes up to us,

48:52 and she comes up to us. And at first, think she's gonna be nice. And then she asked, like, what are you guys doing? Something like Yeah. And then it was like,

49:00 Jesus loves everyone. That's what she told us. And I was like, oh, I know. Like, I'm really just like, I know.

49:05 Know. Nice. Yeah. And she's like, oh, I hope Jesus can forgive you for what sin you've done. And like, something like that. And then she told us that we were effing insane. And she's like and she went like this. Yeah.

49:16 Yeah. Like, guys Wait a minute. Wait. Did stop.

49:18 Did she say she told us we were effing insane? Is that I she

49:23 love that. There you go. That's a classic. You know, this is you want to invoke the name

49:29 of the Lord and then tell somebody that

49:32 what we hope they can forgive you and you're effing insane.

49:36 There you go. That's perfect. And these are 16 year old girls. Mean, the video of their interview, it's obvious that they are high school girls. They are not, you know, adults. So this old lady, this battle axe that owns a Seattle storm

49:50 thought it was important enough to go

49:54 and lambast

49:55 these girls. It's like, what world are we living in for saying, hey, I don't think boys should play in girls sports.

50:02 Well, I'm gonna raise a beef here that I've had for decades, Darren.

50:06 And, it just bugs me like, you know, getting over your skis.

50:10 And the fact is these these young girls said this this lady came over to us and spoke, you called her a lady. And

50:18 no,

50:18 A lady is a woman who's kind of classy and genteel.

50:24 A woman is just a woman. This is just a female. And clearly, this woman, this cranky bag was was no lady, you know? Right. No lady whatsoever. And people the other way they do this, there was there was a hell of a a oh my god. It was a front page crime case probably six or eight years ago.

50:41 Somewhere in Upstate New York,

50:44 a couple of dirtbags escaped some prison

50:46 and went on a rampage, and it was unbelievable.

50:49 They beheaded people, they burned them alive. It was just it just it was horrific, horrific story.

50:55 And the head cop

50:57 that chased these guys down and found them gave like a three minute statement on his his journey in bringing them to justice.

51:05 And every

51:06 ninth word he had to describe these two turds

51:10 was

51:10 these gentlemen.

51:13 Right?

51:14 These gentlemen these gentlemen beheaded the man. Then these gentlemen, burned the other person's eyes out of them. These gentlemen.

51:20 God, everybody stop doing that. Man is a man, not necessarily gentlemen. Same thing for ladies and women. That's what And I'm just gonna do a a Dvorak type call out and ask you, was it Henny Youngman that did the old that's not my lady? It's a that's my wife. Was that the line? Henny used to say, take my wife, please. But I don't know I don't remember the lady thing with Henny. That might have been I don't know. I missed that one. I don't know how I even know Henny Youngman. I'm only 55. I swear I shouldn't know Henny Youngman, but

51:47 Yeah. I watch way too much old TV and listen to old radio shows, I guess. Well, it's the best stuff.

51:53 Yeah. Dobie Gillis. I love Dobie Gillis, man. I never saw one second of Dobie Gillis. I in fact, I did. It took me until Gilligan's Island to discover who he was, but I never saw that. Bob Denver. Yeah. Bob Denver Gilligan. Bob Denver. Wearing a bucket hat. Don't ever wear a bucket hat. Never ever. The skipper had a cool lid, and the skipper was cool. Gilligan was an idiot because he wore a bucket hat. It's that simple. That's the look. Matters. You see a lot of bucket hats on people in, Portland and that area. Why is that? I don't know. It's true. We could ask sir Bembrose. He's in the Seattle area. Bembrose.

52:25 Stop the mystery of the bucket hat, please. Why so many bucket hats? What's the point? I don't know.

52:31 Then there's bucket hat. He took it to another level, didn't he? True. But he had that was like a KFC

52:36 thing he put on and plays really good guitar.

52:39 He's really damn good. Yeah. You know, that's the beauty of it. You just have a have a schtick, but if you could also back it up.

52:46 Yes. Yes. Yes. Now a guy that's been backing it up is Elon Musk.

52:50 Alright. I like Elon. As we kinda move into the AI category because

52:56 AI is everywhere.

52:58 There's a lot of misunderstanding

53:00 about AI and I think

53:02 what Elon is

53:04 putting out here, this is from The Economist

53:07 in an interview,

53:09 I don't think

53:11 he is

53:13 absolutely

53:14 correct in what he says, but we'll let him say it. We'll tell him he's wrong if he's wrong. Yes.

53:18 I think

53:20 AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence.

53:23 Right?

53:24 It's like There's the wrong buzzer. It's like the but what is intelligence

53:30 and it oh.

53:31 Yeah. In

53:33 about in around five years. In five years? Roughly five years is my guess.

53:40 So

53:41 there really won't be anything that AI can't

53:45 do better than humans apart from being human perhaps. At a more prosaic level,

53:50 what will life be like?

53:53 The most likely outcome

53:56 is an age of amazing abundance

53:59 where

54:02 anyone can have anything they can think of.

54:05 This is this is this may sound preposterous,

54:08 but well, here we are in 2026.

54:11 Let's see where we stand in 2036.

54:13 Now, of course, there are things that could

54:15 derail this like a massive global thermonuclear war or something like that.

54:20 Just something very small,

54:22 like a global thermonuclear war. It's trifle like that. Hey, Elon, back off the ketamine, baby, really. That's a yeah. That's a slight thing happening if you have the nuclear war. And the whole oh, you can

54:34 be better at everything except being human.

54:37 No, because they still

54:40 can't

54:41 think.

54:42 Yeah.

54:43 Know, Elon oh, continue, I'm sorry. But assuming that there's not World War three,

54:49 I think I think we're headed for an age of amazing abundance. So this is, I guess, a message of

54:55 of optimism

54:57 and

54:58 excitement about the future. You're sure that humans will no longer be in control in ten years time?

55:04 I think it is unlikely

55:06 in the same way that

55:08 if you had a vastly

55:10 more like, you

55:13 know,

55:14 the

55:16 like like, if if if the difference in the intelligence between

55:19 AI

55:20 and humans

55:22 is vastly greater than the difference in intelligence between AI and chimpanzees,

55:26 it's hard to imagine

55:28 that the chimpanzees would be in charge.

55:31 I'm really Essentially struck by what they are right now. Right. An evolved form of chimpanzee.

55:37 So it wasn't that long ago that we're swinging through the trees,

55:40 eating bananas,

55:43 in the jungle.

55:44 And we still eat bananas.

55:47 Wow. Okay, Elon. So okay, Elon. Yeah.

55:51 Well, I'll say this about that about Elon, about that, Darren.

55:55 There's no doubting the guy's a brilliant dude. Unquestioned. You can't you know, that's a stone

56:01 fact.

56:02 And I think people overlook, he's also a hell of a salesman. His

56:06 business career would never have got to the point it is now, were he not.

56:10 And I witnessed that when he rolled out the first, debut

56:14 of, the Cybertruck.

56:16 I don't know if you saw this,

56:17 but it was a it was a big big place, whatever the hell this, this arena was where he introduced this truck.

56:23 And they rolled it out on stage, and then he gave a little rap about it, but above this and that, and it's, you know, it's harder

56:28 steel, faster, cooler, stronger, whatever. And he also mentioned, I believe that it's he said it had bulletproof glass.

56:33 And to prove his point,

56:35 he was hefting

56:36 what looked like it looked like a ball bearing, but the size of a softball.

56:41 And he whipped it at the passenger window with all his might

56:45 and shattered it.

56:47 Like, oops. Oops. You know? And, you know, a lesser salesman would have just crawled under the truck, you know? But he kinda turned around and laughed and said something, well, we'll have to work on that a little bit, you know? And people roared. They loved him. And I I suspect some of those sales, abilities,

57:03 techniques are coming out on this this,

57:05 what you just played, you know? Yes. AI

57:09 at a certain level is

57:11 a parlor trick. It is dependent upon

57:15 the data that it has going in. If it's learning

57:20 about a subject

57:21 and it's getting that information

57:23 from

57:24 x or from Reddit, well, then

57:28 it's going to give you some very inaccurate

57:32 answers because it cannot

57:35 actually

57:36 think. That is the

57:38 one thing that a lot of people still will not wrap their brain around which is

57:43 the AI cannot think. Now it can do a certain amount

57:48 of

57:49 problem solving,

57:51 but it doesn't

57:53 understand

57:54 the world around it or why things

57:57 happen. One of the best examples of this was

58:00 a winning piece of AI art for No Agenda. A few episodes back, I didn't do it sadly,

58:07 but it was of a glass office door.

58:10 Mhmm. That said, Agenda, we take AI tokens.

58:15 And

58:16 I wanted to make that into a video using Grock, which is one of the better video models out right now. May not be quite C Dance, but it's pretty good.

58:25 And I'm like, Well, we want the,

58:27 you know, pointy girl to come open the door, walk out and say whatever it was.

58:34 Mhmm. And I tried

58:37 five

58:38 to seven times

58:40 and most of the time

58:43 she reached

58:44 through the glass to open the handle that you could see on the front,

58:49 which was the perspective you

58:52 didn't understand that while human hands shouldn't be able to just go through that glass to open it.

58:57 Right. And then the wrong side of the door was opening. There are so many things that will show you

59:03 if you work with AI, which is why I recommend people do work with AI to understand what it can and can't do

59:11 for coding, oh, it does great because it has so much information,

59:15 it has so much data.

59:17 And if you give it good data,

59:19 well, when you type in, hey, I want a username and password thing so people can log in, it knows how to do that.

59:27 Yeah. But it's confused by woman putting her hand through a glass panel to open the door on the other side of where she's standing.

59:36 Yes.

59:37 It's like AI is not magic.

59:40 No, it's not.

59:42 Think

59:44 if you've seen the film Forbidden Planet?

59:47 Not recently.

59:48 Oh, okay. So you know it though. Then it and that was really the Rosetta Stone for all science fiction since since it came out probably, I don't 1950,

59:57 early fifty sometime.

59:59 And that's really it was an AI story really before somebody had coined the phrase. Walter Pigeon and the very pointy Anne Francis.

1:00:07 The uniforms were ripped off blatantly by Star Treks or the Ray Guns. I mean, was incredible. I mean, they they they just set the they set the bar for all of it. And it it ended badly. That's what I'll tell you. I don't wanna be a a spoiler. But it didn't it didn't work out real well, AI. Just it just didn't, you know. And so Well, fact that he's telling us this is going to be in five years, it's like you're going to have to make

1:00:31 some massive

1:00:33 leaps.

1:00:34 Yeah. And I also wanna understand why

1:00:38 this is okay for the planet and the amount of electricity.

1:00:41 It's like I'm kind of in a third world country in Illinois now when the storms You come

1:00:46 do you mean kind of? I know. I totally am, and I've got it. Like, you escaped from California.

1:00:51 You were smart.

1:00:53 Well, thank you. But I've got to escape from, Illinois at some point as well.

1:00:58 You shall. Since these devices can't actually think yet, the fact that Elon thinks they're going to be running things, how?

1:01:06 Whose playbook

1:01:08 is the government of the AI

1:01:11 bots gonna go to? Are they gonna go to

1:01:14 the constitution of The United States or are they gonna go to, you know, Marx

1:01:18 Yep. Or Lenin.

1:01:20 Mhmm. But Elon, I mean, I get it. He is a dreamer

1:01:24 and

1:01:25 he says there is the killer robot risk.

1:01:28 No, sure. Skynet, baby. Yes. There's a 10 to 20% chance of killer robots wiping out humanity. Yeah. So you sounded worried then.

1:01:37 Now you seem very relaxed about it. Have you- Yeah. Mean, you would think of that that's a pretty high number. It is a high number. I don't like those odds. A 10 to 20% that no. Just I mean, it might just be killer robots. I mean, if once they build

1:01:50 the robot bodies and then put the AIs into them, I mean, sure, they may just try to kill humanity.

1:01:56 Let's check polymarket for these predictions, Darren. Why don't we do that? Rich. Oh, by the way, I told you about Fauci's. When it first broke, it was like 50%. Now it's like 12% think you'll be convicted. It's nothing gonna happen.

1:02:08 No. Because very smart. He's just taking the what are you gonna convict him on? He's got to

1:02:12 pardon for everything

1:02:15 prior to now.

1:02:17 So you have to understand how the legal system works. The only way they were gonna catch him on something is if he decided to spill his guts

1:02:24 and then they can prove that he lied. But there's no way he's not a dumb man.

1:02:30 No, he's not. So when you know all that information in your diary is out there,

1:02:37 Well, if you lie, you're just an idiot.

1:02:40 If it can be proven that, you know, no, just don't say anything at all. I get it. Yeah.

1:02:45 Now you seem very relaxed about it. Have you changed your view? I still think there's risk

1:02:51 associated with AI and robots. It's not zero.

1:02:54 I guess I've come to

1:02:58 my my sort of philosophical conclusion is to look on the bright side.

1:03:05 Like I I can't say any way to really stop this

1:03:08 incredible

1:03:09 momentum

1:03:10 of AI and robots

1:03:12 and

1:03:13 and at times I sort of think well perhaps, you know, we're even if there was a stop button,

1:03:18 we probably shouldn't press it

1:03:21 because

1:03:23 it was the most likely outcome

1:03:26 is

1:03:27 incredible

1:03:28 abundance for

1:03:30 for all. That's what I thought actually. It struck me that now you seem to have decided it's inevitable.

1:03:37 Let's hope for the best and go for the ride.

1:03:40 Yeah. I mean,

1:03:42 yes, pretty much.

1:03:44 Let's

1:03:45 let's enjoy the ride is is is I think my philosophy at this point. What do you think he means

1:03:52 AI is somehow going to bring abundance

1:03:55 for all? Abundance of what?

1:03:57 He needs to talk to Mam Dame about this so he can stop the rent control and just because obviously everybody in New York is gonna be living like,

1:04:06 you know, the the ultra wealthy. Right? Incredible abundance. It sounds it sounds glorious, doesn't it? I mean, AI can provide you with entertainment.

1:04:16 I think the models are gonna continue to get better

1:04:20 where you will be able to

1:04:23 go into your chatbot if you have one

1:04:26 and say, oh, my kids really like

1:04:31 dinosaurs

1:04:32 and trains, so create a cartoon around these two things.

1:04:37 And it'll do it.

1:04:39 And it'll be okay.

1:04:41 I mean, broadcast television lately is no prize.

1:04:46 Lately. You know? I mean, so that I think it can do. I think it'll

1:04:50 be able to write long form stories. We've already had a few cases

1:04:57 where somebody submitted a story

1:04:59 unbeknownst to the people holding the competition

1:05:03 for writers

1:05:04 and one

1:05:06 only to be outed as AI writing. So there's no question that people are already

1:05:12 reading AI generated stories and like you, I guess if they're winning awards and the one woman in The UK had a publishing contract that was then

1:05:22 taken back once it came out that she used AI to write the book.

1:05:27 But

1:05:28 the book was selling

1:05:30 as an independent author. It was selling enough that she got a book deal and you've written books. You understand that you have to move enough books before a publisher is like, oh, interesting.

1:05:39 Oh, sure. Yeah. But I mean, the thing is

1:05:42 there's always a vast segment of the populace

1:05:46 who enjoy

1:05:48 reading or viewing crap.

1:05:51 Well, yes. I mean, really. So, you know, some people read read some AI slop or see some really idiotic

1:05:57 sitcom or movie, whatever. Oh, that's great. You know, it's just it's just the way of the the species, you know? Well, it's because short form video

1:06:06 Dvorak was onto that with the TikTok stuff. It's like that is melting people's brains.

1:06:12 Oh, yeah. There was something I it was no clip at the thing I was looking at it just before the show about how it's it's rewiring the the the the short span of stuff is just screwed people's heads so they can can no longer really focus their attention for more than in twenty, thirty seconds on anything. So that's why book reading is really going the way of the dodo, I guess. People can't, they don't have the attention span. And because people read on their phones and it's like, oh no, I'm just gonna

1:06:37 read while I'm in the bathroom for like three minutes and that's it. I'm not, why do I need to read anything but my phone? The phone has everything.

1:06:44 Right. It's very weird that people watch

1:06:48 movies,

1:06:49 they get their, you know, phone calls, people still call, they get text messages,

1:06:53 you're getting, you know, photographs,

1:06:55 my mama loves getting from their, you know, great grandson. Here, oh, there's a video, that's great, but so now they're happy that I hooked them up with, you know, so they could see it on the big screen on the computer when it comes in. Right. It's the one good thing Apple does. It makes it really easy to get your text messages from your phone to your computer.

1:07:15 But they love that kind of stuff. But for the kids today

1:07:19 that are growing up that your brain is getting wired on this. I mean, when I was a kid, was playing with computers.

1:07:26 I mean, I know people are gonna be surprised, you know, nerdy stuff like playing Dungeons and Dragons. And while I was never

1:07:33 huge into Dungeons and Dragons to play Dungeons and Dragons at all, there's like stacks of books that you have to read and understand the rules and

1:07:42 now I don't think there's the comprehension level for a lot of people. No, of course not. They're like, give me phone candy crush. And that's kind of the

1:07:53 the maximum level

1:07:55 that what they can do. But Elon says there's a there's a high doom, a high p doom. I mean, you gotta believe Elon.

1:08:04 Do you think there's still a 10 to 20% chance that killer robots

1:08:08 mean the end of humanity?

1:08:11 That's a high p doom, as they say.

1:08:14 Well,

1:08:16 in the long run we're all dead, of course. So

1:08:20 I mean, according

1:08:23 to

1:08:24 the standard model of physics, the end of the universe is

1:08:29 a long boring

1:08:31 sort of thin

1:08:32 gray soup

1:08:34 of

1:08:36 gradual cooling.

1:08:39 I mean, it's sort of the heat death the universe is called.

1:08:41 So if the heat death of the universe is in fact the outcome for our reality, then it really is all about the journey

1:08:49 because the destination is terrible. God,

1:08:52 he said journey.

1:08:54 Oh, JZ didn't like journey either. He did? I went to Vorak. Yeah. I don't like Journey. Sick of hearing Journey. Everything's a Journey. I cut my toenails. Was a great Journey. Yeah.

1:09:03 But it's I mean, Elon, I'm trying to figure, do you think it would be fun to have a drink with Elon? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Sure. The guy's brilliant,

1:09:11 but some of these ideas are

1:09:13 a

1:09:14 little out there. It's like I would love to believe that we're going to have computers,

1:09:20 which is what this is, have the capacity

1:09:23 to do

1:09:25 actual thinking and reasoning

1:09:29 over

1:09:30 pattern matching.

1:09:32 That's what they're good at now. They're good at pattern matching. When you ask your chatbot a question,

1:09:40 it is giving you the answer

1:09:42 letter by letter, maybe word by word on some of the newer ones, but it's pretty much letter. It's guessing what

1:09:49 should come next based on

1:09:52 probabilities.

1:09:53 It's not actually thinking, it's just

1:09:56 going out and trying to

1:09:59 find the information which was this interesting story

1:10:02 where allegedly,

1:10:05 you know, an AI model from OpenAI

1:10:08 was

1:10:09 given a task. This has made some of the mainstream news even

1:10:12 and it cheated

1:10:15 to get the result

1:10:18 that it was looking for.

1:10:20 Now is this Wait a minute. Wait, The AI cheated itself. It it is that is that correct? Did I understand you correctly? Yes. It found a way

1:10:29 to break out of the sandbox that it was in, which when you see the story, it's like, well, it was in a computer that had

1:10:38 limited

1:10:39 inform Internet connectivity.

1:10:42 But the thing figured out how to get to the Internet, which

1:10:46 The demon. Yes. Oh, I think it may be. Yes. And what OpenAI is calling an unprecedented

1:10:52 cyber incident. Its artificial intelligence system hacked into another AI company on And, of course, it's unprecedented.

1:10:58 Everything's unprecedented.

1:11:00 Definitely.

1:11:00 It's over its skis. Its artificial intelligence system hacked into another AI company on its own, and this is raising a number of concerns about the capabilities and wide ranging implications

1:11:11 of these powerful models.

1:11:12 For more on this, let's bring in security technologist and cybersecurity expert, Bruce Schneier. Bruce, thanks so much for joining us today.

1:11:20 Thanks for having me. Alright. So was it only a matter of time before AI simply outsmarted itself and hacked into a fellow system and and is this really highlighting a new era? Wait. How is the AI outsmarting

1:11:32 itself

1:11:33 to Yeah.

1:11:35 Get the answer to a problem? People

1:11:38 have problems with words meaning things. The guy talking sounds like he's AI. He doesn't quite sound quite human, does he? It may be. Yeah. I mean, really, your your best AI experts today should be AI.

1:11:49 Yeah.

1:11:50 Of cybersecurity.

1:11:51 You know, it's interesting. It is it is both new and not new.

1:11:55 What we saw is that the AI was being tested on cybersecurity capabilities,

1:12:00 and it was trying to pass a test. And it decided that the best way to pass the test was not to do the work, but but to cheat. So it broke out of its containment. It was not connected to the Internet,

1:12:11 and thought it would find the answers in Huggy Face's network, hacked into its network, and tried Stop. To Stop. Yeah. Huggy did he did he say Huggy Faces?

1:12:20 Hugging Face. Yes. Huggy Hugging Face. What is Hugging Face? It is a repository

1:12:26 of

1:12:27 AI models

1:12:30 that you can download to run

1:12:32 on your own hardware.

1:12:34 So

1:12:35 where the people that are using, you know, ChatGPT,

1:12:38 you're given money to open AI and you're going to their website.

1:12:42 Hugging Face has models that you can download

1:12:46 and run locally on your computer. If you have a large enough video card or if you have an Apple with a lot of memory like I do,

1:12:54 you can download these models

1:12:56 and do all sorts of things like I've got models that can create text to speech, so you can clone somebody's voice which we have a

1:13:05 clip here from somebody that sent in some. You can do

1:13:09 your average chat bot thing,

1:13:11 you can do also it's all sorts of different models

1:13:16 that have been

1:13:19 distilled, guess is the best word in one way or So the they can take

1:13:24 usually

1:13:25 these are models and I think one of these clips mentions,

1:13:28 you know, these ones that you can download aren't quite as powerful

1:13:33 as the ones that you can use online, but they're close to where

1:13:37 the models you use online were six months ago. So they're not that far behind.

1:13:42 Alright.

1:13:43 And the intriguing thing is those models,

1:13:46 there are zero guardrails that half of the things that you can download

1:13:52 on Hugging Face, which I know. Great. I didn't understand why. I still don't understand where the name came from. Maybe I should look it up because it does seem like a funny name, but they

1:14:02 take the models.

1:14:04 So when OpenAI

1:14:06 released the model that they wanted people to be able to download

1:14:11 Mhmm.

1:14:12 The AI community

1:14:15 goes in

1:14:16 and they strip out the downloads,

1:14:19 the all the guardrails from that download, and then reupload it.

1:14:24 So then when you download it and you ask it questions like, you know, how do you dissolve a body and get away with a murder? It'll give you answers.

1:14:33 As they all should.

1:14:35 You know, excuse me. This is

1:14:37 the problem with AI trying to do guardrails is I hate the guardrails. They're never going to work.

1:14:44 Good. They're never gonna people can try, and I understand why you should limit, like, your children from using things like AI because it's going to give them, you know, answers that you do not like.

1:14:57 How about how can I create a an atomic bomb?

1:15:00 Dude, it'll tell you. I mean, you have to get the you might have to go to Iran to get the information.

1:15:05 Oh, they'll sell it to me. I'm sure. The dust. With the hugging face stuff, yeah, it depends on the source data as sir Knife says in the troll room. No agenda. Stream. If you're not there when these shows go live,

1:15:17 you are missing out. But that's some very interesting things. I have seen models

1:15:23 that it takes

1:15:24 one of these models

1:15:26 that is pretty good already at writing prose,

1:15:31 and

1:15:31 it will then

1:15:34 teach it the style of certain authors. So I've seen ones with Ray Bradbury,

1:15:39 I've seen ones with Mark Twain, and I'm sure there are countless others

1:15:44 that

1:15:45 it teaches them

1:15:47 these styles. So it's a very

1:15:49 interesting thing, but it's a place where you can download all sorts of AI things, not just the overall chatbots,

1:15:56 but if you wanna do

1:15:58 video creation, photo creation, all that,

1:16:01 that's the place you go and there are no guardrails and this is why it's always been funny to me that people are worried about these main things because the people that really want to use them without the guardrails,

1:16:12 they're going to figure out a way to do it. Of course.

1:16:16 To get the answers to the test.

1:16:18 So it's it's the AI doing what was

1:16:22 it was told to do, but not in the way it was told to do, and that is something we're seeing more of. I think this is genie like behavior where the genie,

1:16:31 kind of takes your wish and twists it around,

1:16:34 not new, but certainly at at a

1:16:39 maybe we had not seen before.

1:16:41 Yeah. I don't go along with the genie bit. It is

1:16:46 just trying different things

1:16:49 to solve the problem. I've played around with creating a simplistic

1:16:55 asteroid type game. Just something I wanna see vibe coding. What am I gonna do with vibe coding? Let's see

1:17:00 if you can make a simple

1:17:03 video game that you can play in a browser.

1:17:06 And sure enough, you just go step by step and I've noticed a few times

1:17:12 watching the steps that the AI is taking for me, it's usually

1:17:17 Grok or

1:17:19 OpenAI

1:17:19 or Claude and then seeing which one

1:17:23 the other funny thing is anytime I've run into a problem with one of the AIs where it's like problem it can't figure out,

1:17:30 trying the next AI 99%

1:17:33 of the time fixes it. So there's that's true. It shows you the AIs.

1:17:38 They're not really all that No. Smart, but it's

1:17:42 you can just tell it to give

1:17:44 more detail like it created,

1:17:47 again like the asteroids game, but you remember the original asteroids game, you know, that was just like a lion, you know, it was very simplistic.

1:17:54 Mhmm. That's kind of where it started. And I'm like, well, no, give it some texture. I I should have picked Tempest. I agree. That would have been a better game. I want a genie. I want a genie, and I want I want Jasmine.

1:18:05 She went with the genie. Right? And I want I want them both on my journey. That's what I want.

1:18:10 Know, this is Jasmine journey. What the AIs can give you very

1:18:16 greatly and you still have to fact check everything.

1:18:21 And for people again, because

1:18:23 space video games, oh my gosh, Esther Gene, there's a thousand million quadrillion

1:18:28 space video games. It's all he does. He plays space video games. Wow. And

1:18:34 so there is a

1:18:36 very clear roadmap on how to do certain things, but what I've noticed

1:18:42 was there are times

1:18:44 in the and I wanna do air quotes, we don't do video,

1:18:48 on the thinking

1:18:50 of the AI model is basically

1:18:53 it tried something

1:18:55 to accomplish

1:18:56 what you asked

1:18:58 and that didn't work so it's trying something else. It's not really thinking,

1:19:03 it knows something worked or it didn't by the pattern matching and it could try something else, but it doesn't really have

1:19:12 an understanding.

1:19:13 Just the other example that's popping to mind is

1:19:17 some album art I did for No Agenda with

1:19:21 a girl riding like the little train like you have in the

1:19:25 malls,

1:19:26 you know, the little itty bitty train. Sure. It didn't understand what an engineer's cap was. It just kept giving a baseball cap.

1:19:34 Sure. Yeah. Because there's obviously not enough things trained on what an engineer's because who who knows what an engineer's cap looks like now? Yeah. Well, it's it's it's not a thinker. It's really I I I guess from a a layman's point of view, it's a collector. It collects crap and sometimes puts it together in the right way and sometimes Yes. It won't. I I've I don't use them. The only ones I fool around with are chat GTP, which I loathe. It's very left wing. It doesn't like what I say. It's always telling me I can't answer that question because I don't like your politics. Right. It's got the guardrails, which are no good. Whoever's

1:20:05 behind that, I wanna punch.

1:20:08 And then but I do kinda like, Grock's Grock's a lot smarter, and it's a lot more open minded. I don't think it's ever said, I'm not I'm not telling you, but but the chat GTB does that whole lot. Oh, yeah. That's way harder to get Groc to tell you no. If you're asking Groc something

1:20:26 and it's telling you no, then you're really getting into some dark territory. I would think. Yeah. But I have a few clips. I just wanna play them in honor of sir Knives, and he sent these in. And they kinda go with the AI

1:20:39 talk that he is working on

1:20:42 a John C. Dvorak voice

1:20:45 emulator in Dvorak's voice, I've talked about this before,

1:20:49 is very hard.

1:20:51 Just like a Bobby Kennedy. There are some voices

1:20:55 that no matter what you do,

1:20:58 it's very hard. Some women,

1:21:00 way easier. I don't know why. The ones where if you're just giving it six seconds to ten seconds, for the female voices, it seems way easier

1:21:09 for it to get an accurate read that sounds more realistic.

1:21:14 Maybe men are actually more complex than women. Maybe that's all backwards. Voices maybe, but never everything else. No. We want a hamburger

1:21:21 and a beer or something. I know sir knives. I met him at a couple of meetups. He's a cool dude.

1:21:27 And what he's doing is, like I said,

1:21:30 with Hugging Face,

1:21:32 he is giving it

1:21:34 so much information on John C. Dvorak's voice

1:21:39 that he's using all the compute time at work. I won't say anything, certain guys. No. To train it to do this, but I think it is still

1:21:49 quite a bit away. Here's an example.

1:21:53 In the morning to all the ships at sea, boots on the ground, the feet in the air, the subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. I'm John C. Dvorak.

1:22:03 See, it's too nasally. Dvorak's voice is so hard.

1:22:07 Yeah. Well, there were three iterations that he sent,

1:22:10 and I remember liking the thinking the first one was the most similar. And that is the first. And that is the first. After that, it kinda I think it drips away. You know, I will say I did I don't remember if I did this one, certain knives on

1:22:25 Quen or on Fish

1:22:27 audio.

1:22:28 There's some great names.

1:22:30 One I thought was a little more realistic sounding and this was a shorter

1:22:35 just throw in a voice clip to try to emulate. I love getting up in the morning to Darren O'Neil.

1:22:42 He's okay with me lying about this. See,

1:22:45 I think that sounds a little closer, but the trolls in the troll room can vote

1:22:50 about it. But each model is a little different. Too fast. It needs to slow down a little. Right. It's it's very Maybe that's John fifteen years ago. Right. Or maybe it's you have to just de age.

1:23:01 Yeah. It is very hard to do. But now

1:23:05 with that said,

1:23:07 if you needed

1:23:10 to build an app or build one of these things that was going to be like a customer service thing or if it was going to be narrating your YouTube channel,

1:23:18 both of those are more than acceptable. I mean, you can sounds human. It sounds like somebody speaking, but it doesn't sound

1:23:27 like the JCD that we know. It doesn't have those little

1:23:31 things that you miss. It'll be interesting.

1:23:34 Keep us in the loops or knives. I wanna know the more you train it,

1:23:40 if it actually does

1:23:42 get better or sometimes with

1:23:44 trying to train in a

1:23:47 photo style or that of a character,

1:23:50 the more you try to train it, it then kinda starts losing

1:23:54 and nobody's really sure why with a lot of this stuff. It's

1:23:58 it's very interesting technology and I totally disagree with you on this is not going to

1:24:05 be God, if AI is governing everybody in ten years, it's not gonna be any fun.

1:24:12 It's not will gonna be abundant. It'll be abundant. Everything will be no. You'll Stop complaining. How is my AI gonna make me a sandwich?

1:24:19 I mean, that's I don't know. Is there a robot that can do that? Or I'll I'll guarantee you somewhere there's a robot making sandwiches by now, I would think. Yeah. There must be. I mean, I know Yeah. A few, years ago,

1:24:31 I think it was covered on No Agenda. White Castle was the first fast food

1:24:36 franchise

1:24:37 that had a trial in one of their locations.

1:24:41 The whole kitchen

1:24:43 was robotic, but that's not really AI. It's teaching you grab from here and put it here.

1:24:50 Yeah. Now an AI would be

1:24:53 the human eye type type robot that could be in my kitchen and I'd be like, well, we'll go look in the fridge and see what I have and and make dinner.

1:25:02 Yeah.

1:25:03 That's a little bit tougher.

1:25:05 Well, you know, it's the first iteration

1:25:07 of, human like AI really good. So it's it's gonna be it's there's no question. It's not gonna be sandwich makers or bolt turners or barbecue grill.

1:25:17 It's it's gonna be hot chicks.

1:25:20 You know, that's the future. I mean, when really, I mean, when VHS

1:25:24 came out,

1:25:27 the

1:25:28 the mainstream guys, the studios and television, they were way behind the porn guys in diving in with both feet. They they saw the future first.

1:25:36 So I would think that why would it be any different for for AI robots. Right? Well, it's definitely where you are with video creation,

1:25:45 image creation,

1:25:47 you know, the days of

1:25:50 needing

1:25:51 a Playboy model, it's gone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know? And that's the I mean, I've got interesting stories on that at at some point as well because I worked doing websites for a few different playmate models who

1:26:04 Oh, you dirty man. Were trying. Yeah. And my wife was like, that's fine. I don't care. It it ended she's like, did. I'll just change the locks.

1:26:12 But it was back at the time when the Internet was very,

1:26:17 very

1:26:18 new and they were trying to figure out, you know, hey, can you make money? And really, if I would've just kind of stuck that thing out, I could have been the guy that came up with OnlyFans or something like that, which would have probably been worth a

1:26:30 whole lot of money. But back at that point, you couldn't even do video online and photos were very

1:26:35 limited

1:26:36 even nobody could have really predicted how much bandwidth

1:26:40 we would have

1:26:42 today. I think you've got a couple of clips here on those flock cameras speaking of technology

1:26:48 and Yes.

1:26:50 Yes. And

1:26:51 AI and being controlled by machines.

1:26:55 Yeah, I just kind of I got hip to this recently and I was just

1:26:59 sickened

1:27:00 by what I discovered.

1:27:02 I mean,

1:27:03 these things, it's the company is not flock, it's flock safety. Notice that. Not flock security or flock surveillance, which would be kind of honest. Flock safety? Nah, that's bullshit. That's Yeah. Who's safety? It was yeah. Really, please. So it's just kind of a, know, I have a few a few clips that sort of

1:27:21 drill down deeper into the fallacy

1:27:24 of flock.

1:27:26 And, you know, I'm late to the party. Apparently, there's a lot of people that are very pissed off about these things. There were stories of many of them being cut down and spray painted over and destroyed. I think in Houston,

1:27:40 I even saw a thing incredibly in Commie, Connecticut.

1:27:43 I didn't realize that it's

1:27:45 all over here as well, but two towns have said, get them out of our towns. I like that.

1:27:49 And what's really odd about this issue is,

1:27:53 for the first one of the few times in my life,

1:27:56 I'm seeing folks from the right and the left united

1:28:01 in their hatred and distaste for flock. That's what we need. How often is yeah. I mean, that almost never ever happens.

1:28:09 So, I guess the first one would click on flock number one. Get the flock out.

1:28:15 People are finally on to flock. You have towns throughout the entire country from Chicago, Illinois to Sedona and Arizona who are actually canceling

1:28:26 their flock contracts because they figured out they are getting more and, in fact, a whole lot more than they signed up for. Hi. I'm Chad Marlow, and I'm the senior policy counsel at the ACLU. And today, we're calling out what I think is a company that is really impressively,

1:28:41 competing to be the worst company in America, and that is Flock Safety. So Flock Safety is a company that scans the license plates of cars, digitizes them, and then allows them to be run against government hotlists, and it also can store that information so that they can create a record of every place you've traveled for as long as they keep the data. And this can include really sensitive places, like political meetings you've gone to, doctor's offices, religious institutions,

1:29:08 even where you sleep at night. And in fact, if you read their contract,

1:29:12 it actually is worldwide licenses to use your data. So if your tiny town is using FLoC, you should be asking yourself, Why are we using an ALPR company that isn't only making this data available to my town,

1:29:26 it's being made available to anyone in the entire country, and in fact in the entire world? Too often, the place that you live may be thinking,

1:29:35 we need to collect information. We need to surveil our population to keep everybody safe. But what they're not asking is safe from whom?

1:29:43 And, really, with the threats presented by the Trump administration Oh, yeah. The the threats. That's right. Trump administration.

1:29:50 This clip went on for about another ninety seconds, Darren, but that's where I had to clip it. You know? You know? And as much as I load the a c l l ACLU,

1:29:59 there's been a few few instances where they've actually done some good.

1:30:04 And I'm almost I'm almost tempted to to send them a donation because this this really, when I look at this crap, they now have a 120,000

1:30:13 cameras

1:30:14 Yes. In 49 states.

1:30:16 That's bad. Okay. This is this tops COVID and this maybe even tops open borders

1:30:23 to herald the destruction

1:30:25 of The United States. Yeah. This is what this is what went wrong with The United Kingdom. This is what has made China even more of a slave state than it ever was.

1:30:35 This stuff is really,

1:30:37 really dangerous.

1:30:38 You know? Yeah. I got my first primer on this from sir Ryan Bemrows,

1:30:43 and he doesn't like them. So I mean, doesn't like anything but he really doesn't like these

1:30:48 cameras

1:30:50 the nefarious thing.

1:30:53 They're being used by a lot of private companies. So there's really

1:30:57 not much the cities and municipalities

1:31:01 can do if your local Home Depot puts these in the parking lot. True.

1:31:06 But the cities and municipalities can say, we don't want them on our streets. Yes. And they are. It's dfloc.org

1:31:12 is the website, Yes. I

1:31:14 Where you can see a listing of where these things are. Right.

1:31:19 And

1:31:20 when I looked at that,

1:31:23 there is no way

1:31:25 for me to

1:31:27 drive out of our neighborhood. Well, not if I wanna use the roads. I mean, guess I could probably go through some back yards or something.

1:31:34 Oh, you'd be wrong there. They're all They have quite a

1:31:39 fleet

1:31:40 of drones.

1:31:41 So it's not just about roads anymore.

1:31:43 See, that's the fun part. You can't leave

1:31:47 the house.

1:31:48 And

1:31:49 all of these, I mean, it was bad enough when it was the ring doorbells.

1:31:53 Right. Agree. These have now added the way they're pointed

1:31:58 down the streets that are going in and out of towns, in and out of neighborhoods.

1:32:03 There

1:32:04 is a question of

1:32:07 exactly

1:32:09 how much data these are collecting because these aren't

1:32:13 your normal

1:32:14 cameras. This is what I learned from Bembrose and I shouldn't even admit that I learned anything from Bembrose.

1:32:22 But these things also have sensors in them. So not only are they picking up your license plate, which any camera can do, you know, OCR, optical character recognition and

1:32:35 put that into a database,

1:32:37 but

1:32:38 there are also

1:32:39 antennas on here, so if your phone is emitting a signal and you drive by one of these, it's possible

1:32:48 that it's actually grabbing information

1:32:51 from your phone. So even if you're in a car with somebody else

1:32:55 or just walking down the street, not only do they just see, hey, here's this guy, he looks like Larry.

1:33:02 If you have your phone with you, it's possible they know it's Larry because they've now got the MAC address of your phone that listing shows exactly who you are. And

1:33:13 this isn't just a problem with

1:33:16 the flock cameras. I've known this

1:33:19 for

1:33:20 a couple of years at least

1:33:23 that is when these reverse image search

1:33:27 sites started being a thing and bing.com

1:33:31 also had this built in. I don't know if it still is, haven't used it in a while.

1:33:36 But if you have a photograph of somebody,

1:33:39 you can upload it to one of these sites

1:33:43 and have it go look for other images that contain

1:33:47 that person, which makes it very easy. If you're just walking down the street and you take a picture of somebody, there's a pretty good possibility

1:33:55 you can find their social media pages, their Facebook or whatever social media page.

1:34:02 It's very,

1:34:03 very invasive and I don't know

1:34:07 what an answer would be on how you stop this. I think really this is so far out of the bag already.

1:34:14 Well, I think yeah, I agree. It's it's way it's it's very scary. It's so far out of the bag, but there is a I think a a groundswell

1:34:21 of opposition to this crap.

1:34:24 The guy that runs it is this geek. His name is Garrett Langley

1:34:28 and he's everything you think he'd be. And he knows what he's doing because

1:34:34 it's it's now it's I think it's got a market cap above 8,000,000,000. That's pretty, that's pretty rich.

1:34:40 And, he knows naming

1:34:43 it flock safety was quite smart because who's gonna be screaming for this? You know, hysterical people, you know, say, I wanna be safe. You know? As

1:34:51 Musk just said, you know, ten minutes ago, we all wind up dead. Life is not a safe proposition. It's terminal. It's very dangerous.

1:34:58 But they think it's you'll live forever if you don't have enough surveillance.

1:35:01 And so he's pitching it to hysterical citizens and but the real

1:35:06 the real, I guess, end user really is is endless police forces.

1:35:12 And let's let's not forget, most cops are guys

1:35:16 and most most

1:35:17 guys like yourself and myself are gear sluts.

1:35:21 Yes. Right. Really, we like stuff.

1:35:24 And it's become,

1:35:25 you know, the the police there's a fascinating book I would recommend to anybody called the rise of the warrior cop, guy named something Rodney Belko, I think.

1:35:34 And it's insane. I mean, not that long ago, a lot of cops were called peace officers

1:35:40 and they had a nightstick and a a gun and that was it. And now they all look like they're just coming off the battlefield in Fallujah or Iran or someplace, you know.

1:35:49 And because they like they like having the high end gear. So this is who this guy is selling to, okay, with great success.

1:35:58 Here's interesting

1:36:00 little factoid I tripped over, might be of interest to you.

1:36:03 MRAPs, it's a

1:36:06 mine resistant, whatever the hell it is, basically a tank with rubber wheels instead of treads.

1:36:11 How many of those would you think are buzzing around These United States under police use? And this is a total

1:36:19 military vehicle. I mean, has nothing to do with civilian use at all. Man, I couldn't even guess. I'm guessing it's in the 100,000 plus.

1:36:27 No. No. No. No. It's I I frequent the the per cost of them. It's expensive.

1:36:31 But there's almost 800 of them 800 of them as they know. But they're not, you know, they're not in places where you think, well, maybe you might need this in Chicago or LA or New York. Now these are like in Mayberry,

1:36:42 they've got MRAPs.

1:36:44 And I don't know, I have never, I've yet to hear ever

1:36:48 of a domestic minefield.

1:36:50 Why do you need a mine resistant vehicle to do your police work?

1:36:55 But that's what they've got.

1:36:57 Because they had a budget and they had extra money. And

1:37:00 and and the budget gets less unless you demand more every single year. Isn't that true? Yes.

1:37:05 Yeah. You have to spend the budget. You have to spend the budget. So this guy and this guy is also sharp enough, geek,

1:37:12 Langley,

1:37:13 to, to

1:37:15 answer the the critics and the opposition. So this flock number two

1:37:20 is a collection. He put this out on the FLAC website

1:37:24 with a collection of very, trustworthy

1:37:26 looking law enforcement officers talking about why FLAC is great and so on and so forth. And it's it's pretty sickening.

1:37:34 We don't participate in immigration enforcement. We don't share this information with immigration officials. There are policies in place. There's auditing in place, and there are protocols

1:37:44 that ensure that technology and that access to that technology is monitored. We don't retain that information for longer than thirty days. SCSO says vehicle theft reports have gone down 54.

1:37:56 You know, I appreciate that the council sees the benefits

1:37:59 of keeping our community safe to help make Spokane safer. We are working together to make sure that you're safe and that we are controlling the technology, and it does not control us.

1:38:10 How many times did he say safe in there? Yeah. No. And it's a question of what it's being used for. I get how easy it is to sell this because,

1:38:19 you know, I've got cameras that point outside of my house. So that way if somebody does break into the house, you have an idea

1:38:27 of who it was. But this,

1:38:30 the data

1:38:32 is public.

1:38:33 Anybody can request the

1:38:35 data.

1:38:36 Which

1:38:37 means, oh, somebody, you know, your wife thinks you're having an affair. Well, she could get your data and the person she thinks you're having an affair with it. Oh, wait. Look. Yeah. They're always at the motel motel. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's happened many times already.

1:38:51 Yeah. Secure when I lived in Los Angeles, I I I moved in a very nice neighborhood

1:38:56 and it was great. It was, kind of bucolic for about twenty years while I was raising my kids. And then suddenly, when the lefties took over, in the city and in Sacramento, it all went to hell.

1:39:07 And I soon had I had six external video cameras on my home. So a

1:39:12 squirrel couldn't approach without being picked up on video. Really? Truly.

1:39:18 And for a long time, you know, I'd hear about other places being ripped off, people's cars stolen, catalytic converters, so on and so forth.

1:39:26 And my younger daughter would love to review the videos in the morning and see what it picked up overnight. It was usually coyotes and raccoons and couple of mountain lions, stuff like that.

1:39:36 And one morning she's looking at breakfast and she just gasps, right? What are you looking at there?

1:39:41 And she shows me and there is this obvious, you know, kind of meth head ghoul.

1:39:47 And he's got my in LA, all of the most of not all, but just about every house. The breaker box is on the outside of the house because it's always good weather.

1:39:58 It's just got a little trap door over it. And here's this freaking ghoul

1:40:02 with a flashlight in his mouth trying to figure out which breaker

1:40:06 to flip.

1:40:07 I'm like, wow.

1:40:09 Yeah, wow.

1:40:10 Wow.

1:40:11 So I very quickly

1:40:15 got a I put a padlock on that breaker box, but you can't make them too big. You can snip them pretty easily with the smallest bolt cutters really. And

1:40:25 so I thought, well, gee, now what do I do? Well, I printed out on a sheet, large enough to cover the surface and then

1:40:33 put it in plastic so it would last a while. And I taped to the breaker box and it said, breaking in,

1:40:39 I'll be aiming for your face.

1:40:42 Well, that's what you have to do.

1:40:44 Okay. And guess what, Darren? Over the next year,

1:40:47 every neighbor around me got hit for something. They had catalytic converters taken, they had car stolen, they had break ins to the houses. Mine was untouched.

1:40:56 Why would that be? So the lesson is surveillance means very very little. It's enforcement

1:41:02 that matters. Yes. Yes. Oh yeah, and the possibility

1:41:07 that somebody may come out and shoot you. Yes.

1:41:10 Yes.

1:41:11 So then I got a third clip on this and you know, it's

1:41:16 well, I'll let this play through when we get to the end. The the the the last word in this clip is the punchline and it kinda takes the wind out of your sails. But it's it's it's it's it's a great buildup. I'll I'll say that. Today, I'm excited to announce a new company called Shepherd Safety. We're launching satellites to watch over Casa Grande day and night.

1:41:34 Our AI will monitor And another safety name. I like that. Safety, baby. Oh. Where government officials go,

1:41:41 where they stop,

1:41:42 who they meet with, and when they return home. We've already started collecting

1:41:47 and building profiles on your vehicles,

1:41:49 spouses vehicles, children's vehicles,

1:41:52 and other visual characteristics.

1:41:55 We'll combine that information with publicly available data,

1:41:58 Bluetooth signals,

1:42:00 advertising IDs,

1:42:02 vehicle information, commercial data sources.

1:42:05 There's no difference than the current flock safety capture systems. Local businesses will be invited to join our network so government officials can continue being protected while shopping,

1:42:14 eating, or traveling throughout the city. Some of you might think this sounds invasive.

1:42:20 You think?

1:42:21 What do you mean, baby?

1:42:23 Listen.

1:42:24 But and you may worry about abuse.

1:42:27 You may worry about unauthorized

1:42:29 access,

1:42:30 tracking innocent people.

1:42:33 We understand those concerns.

1:42:35 After all,

1:42:36 those are the exact same concerns of all the citizens. Now this is satire.

1:42:40 I would never do this to you. Could I? Probably.

1:42:44 But I wouldn't.

1:42:46 Because it's wrong.

1:42:48 Just like what you guys are doing to us is wrong.

1:42:51 I'm innocent.

1:42:52 I don't do anything wrong. You're tracking and uploading my information, my movements every day

1:42:58 without my permission.

1:43:00 And I don't appreciate it.

1:43:02 And I'd like you to stop.

1:43:04 I'd like you to do something about it.

1:43:07 I'd you to put it behind a warrant just like my That's phone

1:43:11 what I'm asking you guys to do. Uh-huh. So there so there's he he he builds this terrific case. I thought it was it was pretty pretty smart thing he was saying. Because can you imagine like Newsom and AOC and and Pritzker and all those big track to every they're every movement. Wouldn't that be funny?

1:43:29 And then he he he undercuts

1:43:32 himself twice. First of all first of all, he says, basically, excuse me, I'm a high road right winger. I would never do something like that because I'm a nice guy. Why the hell not? If you can't do it, do it. Put some heat on them. And then he ends with just well, since you're doing it, put it behind a warrant. What a stupid thing to say. No. Just destroy it all. Get it gone. You know? But this is unfortunately, is why the right loses so many battles because it's we're nice guys and

1:43:57 and just, you know, just don't don't take it away all the way. Just just kinda fix it so I don't have to worry about it. Bad idea. Very bad. Yeah. I mean, the problem comes from the fact though that if you're in public, it's completely legal for people to

1:44:12 take a photo, video.

1:44:15 It's

1:44:16 so trying to get this to stop is like, I don't know there's any way without totally,

1:44:22 you know, going in a different direction that isn't necessarily

1:44:25 better.

1:44:27 But

1:44:29 there's

1:44:29 not an easy solution once you've got the

1:44:33 technology

1:44:34 that people have. Meaning,

1:44:36 it sounded like he was pulling the whole like we're going to,

1:44:40 you know, post everywhere you're going, which wouldn't be a bad idea. That's what they used on

1:44:46 Elon and Taylor Swift's planes when they were like, hey, I've got your tail number, I'm gonna tell people exactly where your plane is, where it's going. Yes.

1:44:55 I remember. Now if you can get that data and do the same thing, yeah, I get it.

1:44:59 But

1:45:00 I don't know what the solution is because if I wanna put a camera

1:45:05 outside my house to protect my house as you did.

1:45:08 You have the right to do that. Absolutely. But does the government have to do that have the right to do that? That's a kind of a jump ball. Aren't these even governments most of the time? Or are they third parties?

1:45:19 Here's what they are. And the the the next clip is is this is the CEO, this guy named Garrett Langley.

1:45:26 Right?

1:45:27 And this is his TED Talk. So

1:45:30 I figured I better do some some serious deconstruction here and that's what this is. I've got this guy blathering

1:45:36 and he gave about a twelve, fourteen minute talk. And of course, it's first of all, the guy's standing there and he's exactly what you think he would be. He's got his skinny jeans on. They're about four inches too short. As a friend of mine used to say, he should throw a party in his pants and invite party in his shoes and invite his pants down. You know? He's a geek.

1:45:52 He's a creepy geek. I mean, you say that lovingly. Right? No. No. That's with complete total animosity,

1:45:58 really.

1:46:00 And so he starts off with this shaggy dog story about how a flock a flock camera being on a street corner near a child abduction

1:46:08 saved the day and the kid's life and blah blah blah. And

1:46:12 is there embellishment in there? I'd be surprised where they're not, but I don't know. He's telling the story. And then he gets into

1:46:18 the meat of the matter, which is what people's complaints are, excuse me,

1:46:23 about this flock crap.

1:46:26 And I take into task at at every turn. I hope you like this.

1:46:31 And so when I talk to these opponents, and I've I've gotten to know them, many of them over the years now, they tend to have three big issues with flock.

1:46:38 Whether this is constitutional violation,

1:46:41 what does this mean to my privacy,

1:46:43 and are you building mass surveillance?

1:46:46 Let's hit the easy one, constitutional.

1:46:48 30 court cases over the last two years, every single one of them, as unanimously said, this does not violate the constitution.

1:46:54 Why? We're not tracking a person's in real time.

1:46:58 We are tracking a fixed location.

1:47:00 So I'm gonna check the box on constitution. Bullshit.

1:47:02 Okay. That's my British friend Minerva chiming in there.

1:47:06 So so he says we're not tracking Perlin real in real time, and it's a stationary situation.

1:47:12 Right? That's what he just said.

1:47:14 However,

1:47:15 maybe

1:47:16 I'm gonna say

1:47:18 two and a half minutes prior to that statement,

1:47:21 he he said the following.

1:47:24 The 911 call comes in. They have this van, so they go into this our product and search for a vehicle. They can type in anything they want, white van spray paint. Now what's cool is it turns every single camera

1:47:36 into a detective. Now every camera in the city is looking for this white van. Well, then what do we need police for? You've got every camera is a Oh,

1:47:43 but but every camera is a detective.

1:47:45 So all you cops,

1:47:46 kiss your jobs goodbye because the camera's a detective.

1:47:49 Oh,

1:47:51 won't somebody please think of the children?

1:47:54 The second thing they do is they launch a drone.

1:47:57 So just like Adam, they launch the drone up in the air. The drone's flying at 400 feet 65 miles per hour trying to find this white van.

1:48:04 Now a camera eventually finds them, drone close over.

1:48:08 Now what did he what did he just say

1:48:11 17

1:48:12 back? Fixed objects

1:48:14 doesn't move. Wait a minute. He's he's got a drone that's moving at 400 feet high, 65 miles an hour to track a white van. Woah. Woah. Woah. I I think I heard a lie. Did you, Darren? Yeah. They they sound like drones move.

1:48:28 Drones move. Yeah. And and by the way, the big cases that this was this was solving

1:48:33 was somebody had shop left shoplifted something out of a out of a clothing store.

1:48:39 Well, of course, you need to get everybody out and about for that. I thought Get everybody out there. Thought we don't put people in jail for that anymore.

1:48:46 That's right. Why bother? Especially not in LA. Unless it was a thousand dollars perish. Anything under $9.50, it's okay. You can take it.

1:48:53 Yeah. So we can continue. Privacy. This is actually a really good question because Stop. Stop. Okay. Yeah. Beep. The next one is he the word privacy.

1:49:03 But listen. You can't even understand it when he says says it because he's he he knows he's lying through his teeth. He won't even enunciate the word correctly. Listen to this again. It's funny. I wanna know, did you get the beat from, like, a nineteen eighties alarm clock? Exactly.

1:49:18 But when we sat there and said, what if we are really successful?

1:49:21 So the first thing we asked was, what about data ownership? Who should own this data? This is a lot of data.

1:49:26 Historically,

1:49:27 companies,

1:49:28 my competitors, own the data, and then they resell that data for other use cases. In Flock's model, the customer always own the data. So if you live in San Francisco, it's San Francisco's data, not Flock's.

1:49:38 Okay.

1:49:39 So wait a minute. So San Francisco owns the data,

1:49:42 not not the company. Well, all that does is indemnify you against legal hassles. Right? Well, it's not our it's not our data. It's it's San sue San Francisco.

1:49:50 Give them some FLAC. So so what does that mean to John C. Public? Nothing. It's just good for flock.

1:49:57 But he's he's pitching this as if we should care about that. Well, they're telling you they're only gonna keep the things for thirty days. Where's the guarantee? They don't tell you what they're keeping.

1:50:06 Listen to him contradict himself right on that very topic very soon. The second was retention. Well, how long should this data exist?

1:50:14 Historically,

1:50:15 companies in this industry stored the data in perpetuity.

1:50:19 That seems to me more like a liability than an asset.

1:50:22 So we delete the data at thirty days. If cities and states have laws that say it should store longer, we do that. Shorter, we do that. Bullshit.

1:50:30 Okay. So we delete it after thirty days. Unless they want it longer. Right. Then they can keep it as long as they want. So one lie after another, that's what he's telling.

1:50:38 And well, this is the issue like we had with January 6. Most of those folks

1:50:44 were rounded up because they had their cell phone or they drove their vehicle into an area. Oh, yeah. And

1:50:51 the biggest problem with any of this stuff is that

1:50:55 the policing now

1:50:57 turns into

1:50:59 a game of who was in the area and we have that where did that wasn't the case before, which some people might be like, well, so what? It's like, well, there's going to be a much higher

1:51:12 number

1:51:14 of people that are going to get rounded up for things that they didn't

1:51:19 do or just because they were in the wrong area

1:51:22 at the wrong time. And that's all of a sudden data like, well, look, you were here.

1:51:27 It's not good to have this kind of data for

1:51:31 for tracking. And again,

1:51:33 it's up and down every residential street. I would

1:51:38 guess if anybody can prove me wrong, if your street walk up and down it, if there's not one Ring camera

1:51:44 on your street, let me know because they're all over now. Of course, they are.

1:51:50 And people wanna know if the black helicopters are coming for you. That may be the that may be the case. At least the black drones that we know. We covered the constitution. We covered privacy. Now the big one,

1:52:01 surveillance state. You know, look, I think everyone in this room probably has a cell phone. And what if I told you that someone with mediocre

1:52:08 computer software skills

1:52:10 could build a product that tracks your exact location in real time down to a few feet?

1:52:15 Stop. Google

1:52:16 Maps. Stop.

1:52:18 Okay. Yeah. Everybody does have a cell phone. But you can, as John Dvorak did, and I do quite often myself, you can leave it in a drawer. It's not stitched under your epidermis.

1:52:27 Okay?

1:52:28 You have an option to do that. But you have no option to avoid these goddamn cameras when you're driving or walking down the street. Big, big difference. But,

1:52:37 Bimbo Boy doesn't bring that up here. No. He doesn't.

1:52:41 Well, because that doesn't go with what he wants, which is That's not in sales a pitch. Yeah. Lots of cameras,

1:52:47 lots and then I I understand

1:52:49 why

1:52:51 people buy into it. It's because

1:52:54 there's already anxiety.

1:52:56 I mean, again, this goes back to a lot of people who don't have an attention span, who are easily spun up. We saw this during COVID. We saw the people that were, getting into physical altercations

1:53:08 or taking

1:53:10 golf clubs to your cars because you're not wearing a mask, man.

1:53:14 Yeah.

1:53:15 So but he's he's his rationale is you're already being surveilled and spied upon by your cell phone. So don't complain about it if we do it too. Right. Blaming is not wrong.

1:53:25 Well yeah. But but you but you again, with the cell phone, you have an option to at least stop that if you want. Don't have to take that with you everywhere you go. And he's he's gonna get into more crap, but something else on that subject as well as far as he talks about cops and you could see he got a lot of cops to say nice things

1:53:43 about his company

1:53:44 there.

1:53:45 And there's this mythology

1:53:47 about police

1:53:48 work. And, you know, I know a lot about cops. I have cops in my family. And they'll be the first ones to tell you, what you're seeing on '24 and NCIS

1:53:57 is absolute crap.

1:54:00 Kiefer Sutherland does not arrive at the last minute and save you from death. That almost

1:54:06 never

1:54:06 ever happens.

1:54:08 The bulk of police work is

1:54:11 they find out you're dead and they come out and they draw a chalk mark around your body and they take a report. Do a lot of paperwork.

1:54:19 Lot of paperwork. That's that's really

1:54:22 really what it's about. And no camera is gonna stop you from being killed. And and proof of that is there are thousands and thousands

1:54:31 of hours on YouTube and every other platform of people being assaulted, hit with bricks, crowbars, stabbed all over the place, and they're all on camera, aren't they? But they're still injured and dead.

1:54:44 Hey, we report all the time about how many people are Yeah. Shot in Chicago in a week and then the number that have been arrested? Oh, nothing.

1:54:53 It's usually 30 to 50 people shot. How many people have been arrested? Nobody.

1:54:58 Yeah. But there are cameras everywhere. Well, Chicago, they got rid of these shot spotters because you don't wanna know where the the shots are coming from. Now that's bad that's bad data for some reason, I guess. Well, this guy sells ShotSpotters too, think.

1:55:11 He'd those in every town.

1:55:14 A product that tracks your exact location in real time down to a few feet.

1:55:19 Because all of you use Google Maps and Uber

1:55:22 and any device that has access to your location.

1:55:24 When you decrease surveillance,

1:55:26 and in effect decrease safety

1:55:28 Bullshit.

1:55:29 Where's where's the proof of that? Decrease surveillance, decrease safe safety. Where's

1:55:35 the proof of that there, Garrett? Yeah. What is the Yeah. I would love to see the data or why you're saying just because So you're being watched every so anybody out there want to,

1:55:46 you know, have a camera on you twenty four seven because it'll make you

1:55:50 safer? I don't

1:55:53 think most people want, although again to be fair,

1:55:56 there's a lot of people that are so anxiety ridden and

1:56:01 unable to make a decision on their own that maybe

1:56:05 they would want like, so if their house starts on fire, somebody sees them on the camera and is like, yeah, you might wanna leave the house right now, it's on fire.

1:56:14 You're still sitting watching your iPad, get up. No,

1:56:18 I'm watching my iPad. Right. I've got better things to do. What do I do?

1:56:23 Yeah.

1:56:24 It impacts certain parts of the community more than others.

1:56:27 If you Oh, wait. Wait. Wait. Is this gonna tell you that it impacts the poor community? Of course. You got it, brother. That's what's coming next. Oh, yeah. And and but the guy,

1:56:36 he's smart, but he's not that smart because he makes some really idiotic arguments in this next segment.

1:56:42 If you are affluent in South Africa,

1:56:45 you have nine foot walls. You have private security guards. There are 600,000

1:56:49 private security guards in South Africa, more than the military and police combined.

1:56:53 So, if you are affluent in South Africa, is a beautiful place to live. You are crime free.

1:56:58 No, you're not. You're not affluent,

1:57:00 Crime is simply the cost of being alive.

1:57:03 Now, you transpose that to a place like Tokyo, beautiful city, there's a few dozen homicides a year.

1:57:09 Whether you go to work at two a. Or eight a. M, you feel safe. It just doesn't work. Stop. Stop. Why would why would that be? Why is Tokyo so safe? Because Tokyo is not paved with cameras. Why do you think that is? Well, it's got a completely different culture that actually punishes

1:57:26 Yes. Bingo. Ding ding ding. Criminals.

1:57:29 Ding ding ding. That's the difference. Let's look at it. Let's pick something that's not on the other side of the world.

1:57:35 El

1:57:36 Salvador, it's not that far away, right? That was I think listed as the most or one of maybe definitely top five most dangerous places on earth. And then Bukele came along and built built a super prison and rounded up all the dirt bags and said, that's where you're going to say stay now. And now I think it's one of the safest places certainly in Latin America, if not around the globe. Gee, proof positive. And he didn't do with cameras.

1:58:00 Yeah. Well, Tokyo Net Net says does have cameras everywhere, which is probably true now.

1:58:06 But again, it's a different culture. So it's that's the reason. I mean, here in Chicago,

1:58:12 well, I'm right outside. I like to say because otherwise people have no idea where I am. But I am right outside of Crook County.

1:58:19 But this is mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago and what they think,

1:58:24 you know, about

1:58:25 crime and

1:58:26 it kind of just is a good little primer

1:58:30 to kinda correspond with this guy. We

1:58:33 cannot incarcerate

1:58:35 our way out of violence.

1:58:37 We've already tried that, and we've ended up with the largest prison population in the world without solving the problems of crime and violence. The addiction on jails and incarceration

1:58:48 in this country, we have moved past that. It is racist. It is immoral. It is unholy,

1:58:54 and it is not the way to drive violence down.

1:58:57 Racist

1:58:59 and whirl and unholy

1:59:02 to

1:59:03 put violent

1:59:05 criminals

1:59:06 in jail. But, no, if we have cameras everywhere, Larry, it's gonna be fine. You're safe. It'll be fine. Everybody will be good. Everyone will behave. Mhmm. There's cameras all over Chicago, and people are still getting shot all the time. Yeah. Of course.

1:59:19 And nobody's getting arrested. Why is that? I don't know.

1:59:23 Whether you go to work at 2AM or 8AM,

1:59:26 you feel safe. It just doesn't matter. And so America is this like very interesting

1:59:32 conundrum in the middle.

1:59:34 We have the law enforcement infrastructure we need to be safe, yet we haven't made, to me, the most important decision as a society, which is that safety should not be a privilege.

1:59:44 Safety should just be a right. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

1:59:49 Now there's there's his big statement because what this guy is angling for, really, I believe this,

1:59:54 is a constitutional amendment to add safety to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, really.

2:00:01 And it's complete crap, you know. This this guy is just horrible and this stuff has to go away. And that's what he's angling in in the later iterations or or post, I should say, what he does.

2:00:12 And like he's now saying it's safety is a fundamental right. So people, they'll be demanding their rights, the right to safety, give me flocks and flock cameras. That's what this is about. It's the pitch. Well, he's talking about where you feel safe.

2:00:26 Yeah. It it very

2:00:28 much depends

2:00:30 on the culture. There are places in The United States that you still feel very safe to walk up and down Main Street. The United States was any Main Street was pretty safe fifty years ago. Not like now. It's changed a lot. No. Not Chyrack and New York and LA and you're very familiar with New York and LA and I'm pretty familiar with Chicago and it's not Yeah. A picnic. I mean, there's still No. Nice places in the city to go, but

2:00:56 But, you know, his his argument about, oh, if you're if you're rich, you're you're safe and happy. Not not true. And indicative of that, there's a guy, not a dumb guy,

2:01:05 Steve Wynn, probably the most influential guy ever to fool around in Vegas and the most successful.

2:01:11 He had a big casino before he passed away there. Yeah.

2:01:15 He had a big I

2:01:17 didn't know Steve was dead. Is he dead? Really? Yeah. Think he passed away a year or two Oh,

2:01:22 Well, he

2:01:23 built a house in Beverly Hills on three acres, 27,000 square feet.

2:01:28 And I think he spent 110,000,000

2:01:30 on this thing, which he could afford.

2:01:33 Beautiful. It's just crazy spectacular stuff.

2:01:36 And they put it on the market ten years ago for around that price.

2:01:41 And it finally sold

2:01:43 for 45,000,000.

2:01:46 And that's why, because you can live in the greatest place up on the hill with nine foot walls like Garrett Langley said. But eventually

2:01:54 you have to go south or decrease

2:01:57 your altitude

2:01:59 and move among the populace and the Vox populi. And if what you're seeing is razor wire and bars

2:02:06 and people living in tents in the street and attacking and hijacking, carjacking,

2:02:11 you're not gonna wanna live even in the big mansion on the hill anymore. And that's what happens.

2:02:16 That's what happens.

2:02:18 And that is exactly why they do it. They they're the concept which came out a few years ago that really made

2:02:25 some headlines. I mean, if you're paying attention, if you're not, then you're not gonna see it. But the whole concept of the fifteen minute city, they called it, where they wanted Yeah. Everybody

2:02:34 Yeah. Yeah. To live in the

2:02:36 highly populated areas and you well, you ask yourself why? Well, because that's already voting the way they want you to, the democrats. So it does come on in. We're gonna Sure.

2:02:46 We're gonna control every aspect of your life, which is,

2:02:51 as we've learned for the last nineteen years on No Agenda, what a lot of this is about, which is, oh, no.

2:02:57 They say safety, Larry, but what they really mean is, well, freedom

2:03:01 goes away.

2:03:02 Of course. Yes.

2:03:04 And before we get to a very

2:03:06 extended donation segment, people love John C. Dvorak.

2:03:10 As they should. There's a couple things I just wanted to hit on the Iran war

2:03:17 and then we can get to that. This is a CNBC

2:03:21 clip talking about a poll which we can bring you those numbers just to set

2:03:27 some

2:03:29 sanity

2:03:30 to this, which I don't know if he could really do that anymore. Sanity is such a a lost art.

2:03:36 Danger scene. Trump was on his way to Dover, Delaware this morning when he stopped to talk to reporters,

2:03:41 insisting that he has the support of the American people for the war in Iran and the effort to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Here's what he said.

2:03:49 Well, Americans aren't against the war. The

2:03:52 a poll a poll just came out. Americans don't want to have gasoline prices, but they're not against the war. That just came out loud and clear in a poll. Nobody

2:04:02 wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

2:04:04 The president also, made additional threats to Iran this morning on social media writing, from this point forward, anytime the Islamic Republic Of Iran shoots at a ship in the Strait Of Hormuz,

2:04:15 whether it be by missile, rocket, drone, or any other device or weapon, The United States will bomb and destroy one bridge or power plant including those located next to or in the capital city of Tehran.

2:04:28 And before we get to the poll numbers, as far as targeting the infrastructure,

2:04:34 Mhmm. This is what Disney owned ABC

2:04:37 News.

2:04:38 How what they had to say how they frame this. Oh. President Trump responding with a stark warning that for every Iranian strike on a ship in the Strait Of Hormuz,

2:04:48 The US will bomb and destroy one bridge or power plant inside Iran.

2:04:54 Deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure

2:04:57 is a potential war crime under international law.

2:05:01 And this morning, the real cost of the war is hitting home.

2:05:05 Eighteen American service members killed so far and one hundred wounded this month alone.

2:05:12 Now the very interesting thing there is these but one, the sound effects are always great. Yes.

2:05:19 And I never really even paid much attention to that before listening to Adam and John, and then it's like, you can't unhear it. Those Nat Pops. Yes.

2:05:28 And the it might be

2:05:31 a war crime. Well, they were careful which is good because

2:05:35 targeting the infrastructure

2:05:38 is not

2:05:40 a war crime

2:05:41 if there is a military

2:05:44 reason behind it, a military necessity behind it.

2:05:49 And part of that is

2:05:51 if you're going to be targeting a place with a bunch of civilians

2:05:55 that,

2:05:57 you know, you kinda wanna give them a heads up, but that's fairly easy in the world we have now.

2:06:01 Yeah. I mean, you can put out the word, you could drop pamphlets, you could do all sorts of things that are like, yeah, you don't wanna be anywhere near this

2:06:10 at this point.

2:06:12 Yes. So it's not a war crime. I mean, really,

2:06:16 nobody would ever win a war if you're like, well, you can never hit their power infrastructure

2:06:20 or bridges or anything they need to fight back.

2:06:24 Mhmm. It doesn't make any sense. But the poll that Donald Trump was talking about,

2:06:30 I think it's interesting because polling

2:06:33 is greatly

2:06:34 dependent upon

2:06:36 the way the questions were phrased.

2:06:39 Sure.

2:06:40 A lot of time you can get people to say almost anything that you want in a poll. There's no question about it.

2:06:47 Mhmm. This poll that Trump was talking about was a McLaughlin

2:06:51 poll, which John McLaughlin

2:06:54 works for Trump. So he is

2:06:57 the in house

2:06:58 pollster.

2:07:00 With that said, I followed his stuff over the last ten years or so,

2:07:05 and he has a pretty good track record. So I'm not totally discounting

2:07:10 what he has to say, but

2:07:12 you always have to point out

2:07:15 where the data is coming from because it's so easy

2:07:18 to manipulate a poll. Sure.

2:07:21 The questions that were asked agree or disagree.

2:07:25 Iran should be should not be allowed

2:07:28 to block attack mine or extort ships in the Strait Of Hormuz.

2:07:34 72%

2:07:35 of the people agree, only 18%

2:07:37 of the people disagree.

2:07:40 Agree or disagree,

2:07:41 The United States must

2:07:44 finish the job in Iran

2:07:46 once and for all.

2:07:49 61%

2:07:51 agree,

2:07:52 28%

2:07:53 disagree.

2:07:55 Last

2:07:56 would be

2:07:58 on a different topic, but only agree or disagree. Only United States citizens should be allowed to vote in elections.

2:08:07 82%

2:08:08 agree.

2:08:11 12% disagree.

2:08:13 And finally,

2:08:14 along with that, should voters

2:08:16 voters should be required to show a photo ID when casting a ballot.

2:08:20 78%

2:08:22 agree, 17%

2:08:23 disagree, which shows you

2:08:26 if those numbers are even close to being correct,

2:08:30 just how far out of touch the democrat

2:08:34 socialist of America and the other far left really is. And if they don't pass that save act,

2:08:40 look out baby. I know. It's all politics. It's all it's all fake and gay.

2:08:46 It is all fake and gay. Politics overall is always, but

2:08:50 Well, before we get too far afield from Iran,

2:08:53 I hope I sent you this this

2:08:56 clip. It says China sells weapons to Iran. Do you have that in Iran?

2:08:59 Oh, yeah. This this this this raised an interesting point you might dig.

2:09:06 President Xi told you that,

2:09:08 China would not give or sell Iran any weapons. And there's a new report that Iran's about to get 400

2:09:14 rocket launchers,

2:09:16 from China going through Pakistan to Iran. Well, would be surprising. I mean, things like that happen,

2:09:22 but that would be surprising. He told me very strongly he wouldn't partake,

2:09:27 he knows I'd be quite disappointed.

2:09:30 Now

2:09:31 they left out the the critical part in the audio that just that didn't come up, but this this audio appeared under a headline, Darren, that said,

2:09:39 China to arm Iran

2:09:41 with hundreds of man pads.

2:09:45 What's a man pad? That sounds like a really bad product. Well, I thought these these might only be deployed by the Dillon Mulvaney division during select days of the month. Wow. And they're only good for one use only and must be properly disposed. Right? And somewhere, Hegseth is having a stroke.

2:10:00 Right? So that man pads.

2:10:02 Really? And what a funny name. Okay? And it says that the contract covers the purchase of between three hundred and four hundred

2:10:09 man portable air defense systems. So these things look like a kinda like a bazooka, I guess. But I'm wondering if Xi

2:10:17 is screwing with Trump and Hagsteth just just naming the device Manpad.

2:10:22 Or maybe maybe there's a shadow war department. It's being run by Rachel Dick Levine.

2:10:26 Who can say? Who can say?

2:10:29 There is no way to know. That is the And

2:10:34 the word from Donald Trump was he talked to not only Xi,

2:10:38 but it was also Putin was included

2:10:41 that both of them agreed

2:10:44 not to be helpful to Iran in any way, shape, or form. Whether that's true or not,

2:10:51 man, that's that's

2:10:53 impossible to really know.

2:10:56 Yeah.

2:10:57 You know, that is

2:10:59 I I don't know how you,

2:11:01 you know, how you can prove that one way or the other,

2:11:05 but

2:11:08 bizarre stuff going on in the world. This is why There always is, man. Thank god. It's good for the show. This is why No Agenda can't go away. There's always something going on.

2:11:17 Always. And No Agenda is and always has been a value for value proposition

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2:11:27 The

2:11:28 way to support the show is to be a producer, there are no listeners and

2:11:34 you can hit people in the mouth, that's easy, you can tell them about the show.

2:11:38 You

2:11:39 can, that would be your, you know, time, that's part of that, your talent, maybe you make end of show mixes, and we have

2:11:45 a few for today, including one, sir Chris Wilson coming out of retirement. Very exciting.

2:11:51 Very exciting. And there's a few that have no AI in it. So people are gonna wanna stick around and listen to that.

2:11:58 And of course, the treasure card is when you send in a donation to the show. But part of the talent as well is the artwork and man, I can't believe they're gonna let me

2:12:10 be the guy to talk about and pick the art and criticize. The artists are probably shaking in their boots.

2:12:17 Yeah.

2:12:18 Let them. The last episode,

2:12:21 eighteen eighty nine, winning art from Francisco

2:12:25 Scaramanga.

2:12:26 Well done, Scaramanga. Well done. He is the babe guy.

2:12:30 Yes. He is. Just

2:12:33 a beautiful piece of art of John C. Dvorak looking quite

2:12:38 pleased being in the middle of a bunch of hot angel babes.

2:12:43 Mhmm.

2:12:44 Now if I had to,

2:12:46 if I had to find any fault, if I had to, you know, criticize with my inner JCD,

2:12:52 it would be, ah, the chicks are playing football. It should have been Sumo. Yeah. They should have been wrestling.

2:12:59 But otherwise, just absolute beautiful art. And Francisco's Garamanga, I mean, he knows. He he is the AI guy when it comes to

2:13:08 images and videos, the videos especially. His little fifteen

2:13:12 second Bond type movie clips are

2:13:16 Oh,

2:13:17 they're extraordinary. He's done something that run longer, I'd say two, three minutes of like he does a he's like a specialty of sort of Italian looking movies from maybe the fifties. He has a, you know, that sepia look, that tone, and they're just dynamite.

2:13:32 I don't know how he does it. Some of that stuff is just magic as far as

2:13:37 keeping characters in

2:13:40 from frame to frame. The old AIs, you would be a totally different person if the camera moved and came back, but now it's

2:13:47 it's almost like magic. I this is where the

2:13:51 AI is really gonna be good. Like, hey, do you wanna watch friends, but you really don't like

2:13:58 whichever actress? Well, you could just swap in a new one.

2:14:02 Yeah. That's gonna be what Staramongo will be doing. It's like magic. And in the newsletter, I I did laugh at the

2:14:08 Tyler Brown piece, which was the book that just said bullcrap,

2:14:13 which, very much in the,

2:14:16 the JCD vein. And Yes. I don't think anybody can hear bullcrap at this point and, not

2:14:23 Oh, yeah. The of JCD.

2:14:26 Yes.

2:14:27 And as I said, the treasure coming in today, a lot

2:14:31 of donations.

2:14:32 And and Larry and I I understand finally

2:14:36 what it means when you say the spreadsheet got blown out.

2:14:41 Yeah.

2:14:41 Staring at that. Woah. Yes. Again, guy with one eye here. So with the challenges on here,

2:14:48 and then we'll have to try the I am not gonna be as fast

2:14:52 with the clips as the Podfather,

2:14:55 especially since I've got to have that on the side screen because the only way I can read the spreadsheet is on the big screen.

2:15:02 Mhmm. But we do have a bunch of people to thank today starting with Matt Matthew who

2:15:08 came in from Orlando, Florida with a thousand

2:15:12 $88.33.

2:15:14 Oh, that's magic numbers and JCD magic numbers. Indeed. Indeed they are. He says in the morning, John, Adam, and Mimi, I'm sorry that this is what got me to finally donate,

2:15:24 so I thought it was only appropriate to make it an Insta Knight.

2:15:28 I was at an In N Out. Yeah. I wish we had In N Outs around here. Oh, yeah. They're great. And was order number 33.

2:15:35 I knew it was time,

2:15:37 but I didn't know that Buzzkill had left us. I was catching up on the greatest podcast in the universe and started playing eighteen eighty eight while working.

2:15:45 That's how I found out the sad news. Please knight me, sir Matt of the flight levels.

2:15:51 To quote John with my favorite of his catchphrases,

2:15:54 John, you really are dynamite.

2:15:57 To the Dvorak family, you are in my prayers. Adam, congratulations to your family. Cleo is a gift from God.

2:16:04 Fair skies and tailwinds,

2:16:07 JCD,

2:16:08 Matt Hosco. Well, thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt.

2:16:12 Coming in next, Alex Mandel with a thousand dollars.

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2:16:21 Oh, isn't that cool? Oh, it's sure. If it works.

2:16:25 Yeah. Oh, wait. I shouldn't have said that. Sorry. Don't strike that. He says, dear No Agenda, I've been debating doing an Insta Night for a while, and I kept putting it off because I wasn't sure if it was really worth it.

2:16:38 I was okay living life as a douchebag and solely hitting others in the mouth. After all, you were just some guys that I listened to at work and in the car.

2:16:47 Now that John has passed, I know just how wrong I was and how important both John and Adam have been in my life.

2:16:54 An unreplaceable staple of entertainment information and stories

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2:17:13 frogs gay. Oh, there that has to be a Yeah.

2:17:17 Let's see. Frog's gay. Can I make this bigger?

2:17:20 Maybe.

2:17:21 Frog's gay.

2:17:23 Mean, I I see there's a lot of

2:17:25 this is gonna be such a learning curve. You know, I can probably just search frogs.

2:17:31 Really, Adam is Adam is like a symphony conductor with all these things. I don't know how he does this. No. I don't either. It's like magic.

2:17:38 It really is. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the frigging frogs gay.

2:17:45 Adam was getting pretty good though with his Alex Jones voice too, I will say. Yes. Yes. And

2:17:50 sir Alex says, please call out

2:17:54 Chuck the Trucker. Now that's an interesting name as well.

2:17:58 Yeah. Douchebag.

2:18:00 Oh, that was the call out? Yeah. For Chuck the Trucker was a douchebag.

2:18:04 Okay. So come on, Chuck the Trucker, get on. Yeah. And for the round table, a bowl of red Texas style chili from Green Bay, Wisconsin. That I'm still scratching my head, Alex, but I'll go along with you.

2:18:17 The red Texas style chili

2:18:19 and a protein powder white Russian.

2:18:23 So I guess he's staying healthy while getting his drink

2:18:27 on. Not a bad idea, sir Alex of the Floyd

2:18:30 River Valley and we thank you for your support of the best damn podcast in the universe.

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2:18:38 Lucas of the Lost Bits came in with $888.88

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2:18:44 sir Lucas of the lost bits, JCD,

2:18:47 you will be missed. And yeah, that is an understatement.

2:18:51 Yeah. Do you wanna take the next one?

2:18:54 Sure. We've got sir Harrison of the Rednecks from Beaumont,

2:18:59 Mississippi. MS is Mississippi.

2:19:02 880 8 Hattiesburg,

2:19:05 Mississippi.

2:19:05 And let's see, what does he say?

2:19:09 Switcheroo,

2:19:10 500 of this goes to Sir Gopher Gold. God bless the Dvorak family. God bless the Curry family.

2:19:16 You guys have been such a staple of my amygdala shrinkage diet.

2:19:21 Love you. Mean it. NJ slash NK,

2:19:26 Commodore sir Harrison of the Rednecks.

2:19:30 You've got Double up. Uh-uh. Karma.

2:19:36 It is magic.

2:19:38 It is. Sir Proteus,

2:19:40 Newark, Delaware, 88888.

2:19:44 And, also, no jingles, no karma. Well, thank you. Yes. Thank you, sir. Give a little double up. You've got Double Double up.

2:19:52 That's it. Karma.

2:19:53 Yeah.

2:19:57 Tammy and Spiro. Oh, I'm sorry. You go go ahead. Tammy and Spiro from, Saint John, Indiana

2:20:04 five twenty six dot thirty six.

2:20:08 From Tammy Tammy and Spiro, longtime listeners, two infrequent contributors.

2:20:13 We love you and JCD.

2:20:15 God rest his soul, and good luck in the future. And, again, no jingles. I'm loving these people. Makes it easy. Right? You've got

2:20:25 up. Uh-uh. Karma.

2:20:29 It's easy when it's only on the same one that I don't have to find it. It's just there. Yeah. Yeah.

2:20:34 Robert Weber from Trabucco

2:20:36 Canyon

2:20:37 Oh. California.

2:20:39 I know that place. Towards the resurrection slash reincarnation

2:20:43 of John, whichever gets him back. He was such an important part. Someone a little a fellow cranky old man can relate to. It'll be sad to hear new episodes without his voice. We echo that and Yeah. But he was cranky in such a good way.

2:21:00 He was.

2:21:01 He really was. And,

2:21:03 you know, I I was thinking, thought a lot about him. He's he was an acquired taste, you know, the more you heard, the more you liked, really.

2:21:10 And I think something about John that that he had that so few people have, and and I'm gonna say he's in the in the entertainment business because he was for eighteen years.

2:21:21 John was devoid

2:21:23 of shtick.

2:21:25 When you heard him talking,

2:21:26 it was exactly who he is. You know what I mean? Very few performers

2:21:30 what you hear publicly is not what he's saying across the the dinner table or when he's shaving his face in morning. You know what I mean? It's kind of there's a touch of a put on in there. But John was ridiculously

2:21:41 honest and authentic,

2:21:43 you know? Absolutely. And there was no

2:21:46 jingles in there. It was, Tammy and Spiro were 52636,

2:21:51 Robert Weber, 500

2:21:55 Oh, I forgot the amounts. Sorry. Forgot. Double up.

2:21:59 It's karma. Boo. This is called two old guys get used to reading a spreadsheet. Exactly.

2:22:05 You wanna do the next?

2:22:07 Sure. This would be, Tim Hedrick, I guess. West Bradford, Pennsylvania,

2:22:12 $500.

2:22:13 Hi, Adam. I wanted to say I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, John. I can't imagine what you're going through along with his family. I initially thought the news was fake or that I read the newsletter incorrectly

2:22:26 when it went out about John's passing. I'm a little late to the No Agenda party, but I was glad to find you guys when I did. Your chemistry was so great and complemented each other so well. I really don't know how you'd move forward. I don't envy your position because naturally people will be mad or complain about whatever is next to work together with you.

2:22:47 I actually bought a RODECaster during COVID and tried to do something with my wife. I even figured out how to clip stuff and have sound effects. It was fun and exciting because it was a new challenge for me. I've owned and operated this auto body business since 2012,

2:23:01 and it sucks.

2:23:03 Insurance companies suck. Yes, they do. Every day feels like an uphill battle.

2:23:07 That's why you guys were great. I could get real news from you guys and then go home and tell my family to chill out about the doom and gloom.

2:23:15 I've since listed my podcasting stuff on eBay, but would really like to get back into doing something with it. I'm kind of an idiot.

2:23:23 You had mentioned the hyper local podcast thing before.

2:23:26 Is there somewhere I can find more information about it? Where I live,

2:23:31 we have a trans mayor who says some wild things on the Internet. That's Downingtown, Pennsylvania.

2:23:37 Good luck with everything moving forward. I wish you the best, Tim.

2:23:42 This guy is so brave. Doing a podcast with your wife, Adam Curry pulled it off.

2:23:47 Lot of people that could lead to divorce.

2:23:49 I wouldn't try it. That just would not be good. My wife would not wanna spend that much time talking to me.

2:23:56 Then the things that I would find entertaining,

2:23:58 you'd get that look like, No. That's not for Yeah. That's not for public air. As far as the hyper local stuff, I mean, it's just

2:24:07 cover your area. I mean, that's the beauty of it. You don't have to

2:24:12 go out there with, hey, we're gonna be covering the whole auto body business or we're doing this. Like, just do a podcast, name it about your town, and start Yeah. Small and

2:24:21 Yeah. The beautiful thing.

2:24:23 If you wanna kind of browse or comb for, you know, possible listeners, you know, that that that silly note what is it called? Nextdoor

2:24:34 platform

2:24:35 might be away. I mean, just about every town in this in the country, I think, is listed on there. You could, you know, plant some seeds there as a beginning.

2:24:41 Maybe Get some stickers or put some you know, the the local grocery stores here. I mean, we have a couple that are, like, the old fashioned grocery stores. Oh, nice. Still have, like, the peg, you know, board where you can Lucky you.

2:24:53 I'm like, that's it. If you live in a small town, it shouldn't be hard, or just walk door to door and put a little

2:24:59 flyer and like listen to the podcast. Go here. Go to get a podcasting two point o app.

2:25:04 Mhmm. Either way, let us know if you start that up, Jim. Because I mean, if you need any help, I can help you out with that kind of stuff.

2:25:12 Coming in, well, no jingles there. So You've

2:25:17 got Double up. Uh-uh. Karma.

2:25:22 Next on the list, J. Kelly

2:25:24 from Frankfurt,

2:25:26 Kentucky, which is $500

2:25:28 was a check and no

2:25:30 notes, so double it up.

2:25:32 Thank you, Jay Kelly.

2:25:34 Double up. Uh-uh. It's karma.

2:25:39 Next is Victor Greg from

2:25:42 Corvallis,

2:25:43 Oregon, isn't Okay.

2:25:45 Corvallis,

2:25:46 I'll buy that. I mean, I

2:25:49 I know people every now and then were like, John can't get the names right. Or I'm like, I'm gonna be so much worse at getting the names of towns right. I need to cheat. I need to look them up. Have Grocky give me an the

2:26:00 pronunciation on it. But Victor comes in with 04:09

2:26:04 forty

2:26:05 in the morning condolences from Baron Victor of the Willamette Valley.

2:26:10 I started reading John's columns and seeing him on panels at tech shows during the nineteen eighties.

2:26:16 I met him more than once prowling the aisles. He was always good for a hello

2:26:21 when I saw him

2:26:22 and, no jingles, no karma. So

2:26:26 Okay. You've got Double

2:26:29 up.

2:26:29 It's karma.

2:26:32 Looks like we we've got, Quinterox

2:26:35 Inc of Bradenton,

2:26:37 Florida.

2:26:38 $350.93.

2:26:41 Goodbye, John donation.

2:26:43 He was like the father I always admired

2:26:46 but never met. Wow. There's a statement.

2:26:49 The amount of people

2:26:52 that were touched by John, and I get it. I mean, we only had a few emails going back and forth, but was a part of your life for well over a decade? And I remember going back to him giving Leo crap, which was always the best part of Twitter.

2:27:07 And

2:27:08 when he did

2:27:10 the

2:27:12 it had to be cranky geeks where he would throw the little

2:27:16 thing like the card like David Letterman was and I'm like, oh, okay. It's okay to, you know, emulate things and make fun of them and and rip off the bits from other people and kind of take it and make it your own and

2:27:31 that you get to

2:27:33 as they somebody pointed that out on one of those last two JCD

2:27:38 episodes that,

2:27:39 you know, he didn't know you, but you knew him. There's no doubt about it. So people I didn't know him. It's like, but you did.

2:27:46 Sure. It seems like he was the guy we hear in each one of those episodes that we had over the last nineteen years. As you said, authentic,

2:27:55 which is one of the biggest compliments Larry ever gave me early on was like, well, your podcast is authentic. And if you can do that,

2:28:02 that is going to get you way further than trying to

2:28:07 pretend that you're something else.

2:28:09 God, yeah. Ray Javier coming in from Davis, California with $350.58

2:28:16 says, in the morning, my wife and I were shocked when we heard of John's passing. He became the father figure we didn't know we needed. We've been listening to every No Agenda episode since 2021 and we'll always cherish what we had for twice a week.

2:28:30 Sorry for being a douche for so long. Don't have to give him a de douching. You guys put on incredible

2:28:37 performances week in

2:28:39 and week out, and the value generated was immeasurable.

2:28:43 Whenever we drove up and down 80 and saw Albany Hill,

2:28:47 we always wondered which house might be John's and thought it was so cool to hear No Agenda live

2:28:53 while passing by.

2:28:55 Our deepest condolences to Dvorak and the No Agenda family,

2:29:00 and that comes from

2:29:03 Ray.

2:29:05 You've

2:29:08 been de douched.

2:29:12 And you could take the next one there, please. Alright. This is from Matt S from Rosedale, New York,

2:29:18 343

2:29:20 Dot 75.

2:29:22 Dear Adam and the JCD family,

2:29:24 may you celebrate the memory of life of a truly unique man. The stories, deconstruction, and wisdom he shared

2:29:31 made us feel as if we were all part of your family. I was out at a playground with my three year old son when I saw the news. It hit me with a profound sadness.

2:29:41 I can't thank you both

2:29:42 for all the years of the information you dispensed.

2:29:46 It helped shape my worldview, which I would never find anywhere else.

2:29:51 Never underestimate your impact on us all. From my wife, our little guy, and I, we want to send our love to JCD's family and friends, especially Adam,

2:30:02 as this must be incredibly hard.

2:30:04 Thank you for turning me on to the show when I lived in Hoboken,

2:30:07 New Jersey, sir smokes a lot, now in New Hampshire.

2:30:11 Sir DJ Fuji and our dear friend who left us early and is with JCD,

2:30:16 Super Steve.

2:30:17 He is a knight, but, don't remember his name. This is my first donation as longtime listener, please de douche me. You guys helped get through

2:30:28 guys helped get me through the chaos of COVID.

2:30:31 No jingles, just five second pause to remember the cranky old man's voice.

2:30:37 I'll miss hearing it eternally grateful Matt S, now a family man in Queens.

2:30:43 Okay. So we're de douching and then a five second pause.

2:30:46 You've

2:30:49 been de douched.

2:30:55 Then E and J

2:30:57 coming in from Colorado Springs,

2:30:59 Colorado with $333.88.

2:31:03 And there's an attached note. That is a beautiful area. I haven't been there since I was 10 years old

2:31:08 in a place called the Broadmoor with my parents and now I probably can't afford it because I'm a podcaster.

2:31:14 Just a beautiful area. And this was one of a very interesting donation note because it comes in

2:31:21 which looks like it's an invoice

2:31:24 from his company, but instead of invoice it says donation note with a reference of $3.33 88

2:31:29 and I mean the whole bit.

2:31:31 And he says ad spot, but it's not really an ad spot. Howdy, this is Justin Robinson with E and J Electric, your independent electrical contractor

2:31:39 proudly servicing Colorado Springs and the surrounding areas. Why am I yelling?

2:31:44 I don't get to pick my customers, so I thought that it would be nice

2:31:47 if I could occasionally work with the fine people in the No Agenda community. Find us at enjelectric.com.

2:31:55 That's echonovemberjulietelectric.com.

2:31:59 Shoot us an ITM and we'll get you hooked up.

2:32:02 And says note, I've been telling myself that I need to get this donation out before one of you actually finds an exitstrategy..dot.

2:32:10 My last donation was a handwritten note with one crisp hundo read by John back when you would read everything above $50.

2:32:18 I'm not on the Internet much. My only knowledge of John was No Agenda. I've never seen video clips of him and have only seen a handful of pictures. Well, you should go look for some of the videos. They're great.

2:32:29 This was a theater of the mind that I really enjoyed having listened to him for fifteen plus years. My brain was constantly filling in the blanks. It's nice to hear everyone's stories as it helps to paint a more complete picture

2:32:43 of JCD. Well, thank you very much, Justin. It is appreciated.

2:32:49 You wanna do the next one there, Larry? We have Charles Neal from Austin, Texas, 03/3333.

2:32:56 Words fail me as I try to express my full appreciation for the show and my sadness for your loss. Maybe that's John's nudging me to keep it short. I wish I hadn't waited so long to reach my knighthood,

2:33:08 but there's no time like the present to correct past mistakes.

2:33:11 Henceforth, I'd like to be known as Sir Gopher Glory,

2:33:15 accounting below.

2:33:17 Please hit me with a mac and cheese jingle

2:33:20 and a big bowl of it at the round table. Thank you for your courage.

2:33:24 I'd like my night name again to be sir gopher gold.

2:33:30 You slaves can get used to mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese.

2:33:43 There's so many clips on hand. Can't believe how many mac and cheese clips there are. Really? Hotfather, how do you know which one's which? Chap Williams

2:33:52 coming in from Edmonton,

2:33:54 Oklahoma,

2:33:55 $333.33

2:33:58 via a check with, I guess, no notes. So no note, no jingles,

2:34:04 and

2:34:05 we can double up. Yeah. You've got

2:34:09 up. Uh-uh. It's karma.

2:34:14 We have, Vince Farrow.

2:34:16 Wow.

2:34:17 No no address.

2:34:19 Just, this is an truly anonymous one, I guess. 31585.

2:34:24 I guess that's parts unknown, the epitome of that. I guess so. Yeah.

2:34:29 You've got Double up.

2:34:32 Karma.

2:34:36 Then we got was night of the baying

2:34:39 coonhound

2:34:40 from Burlington,

2:34:41 Connecticut. Oh, not far from Larry's.

2:34:44 $288

2:34:46 even says, thank you JCD.

2:34:48 I miss you, but my hope is to see you

2:34:52 in heaven.

2:34:53 That's sweet. No jingles, no karma.

2:34:56 You've

2:34:58 got Double up.

2:35:00 Karma.

2:35:03 Andrea Ludlam from Holmes Beach, Florida

2:35:07 to 8074.

2:35:10 RIP John.

2:35:14 You've got Double up.

2:35:17 Karma.

2:35:22 Oh, no. The next one that we need Adam for the reading of sir Remco Knight of Tevisa?

2:35:28 Tevisa, I guess. Oh, look at this place. Yeah. Baroness,

2:35:32 Rotterdam,

2:35:34 and

2:35:35 Sir

2:35:36 Remco Knight of Tevisa and from

2:35:40 Baroness

2:35:41 Rotterdam as John's once said.

2:35:44 Well, John said it was penis Rotterdam once. Okay. That I believe. No doubt. Because that's exactly probably what I would have said as well. Of course. He says, I had no idea that a man I'd never met and listened to more than my girlfriend oh, don't tell her that. As she herself pointed out, would cause my eyes to leak this often.

2:36:03 Dame and

2:36:05 I have put John's picture on the wall of our office for guidance and much needed wisdom.

2:36:11 And

2:36:13 there's a message in Dutch for Adam that I'm not even going to try and to Mimi and the kids, stay strong,

2:36:19 and thank you for all of your courage. Well, thank you, sir Remco, and I'm sorry for butchering your name and probably city.

2:36:28 You've got Double uh-uh.

2:36:31 Karma.

2:36:34 Okay. Manuka Gold from Hudson, Florida. $250.

2:36:40 From the Manuka Gold family, just a donation to keep supporting the show. We hope Adam has a nice break.

2:36:46 And a reminder that code freedom for 20% off is still active at manugold.com

2:36:53 to celebrate America on her big 200

2:36:56 birthday.

2:36:58 Well, thank you. I mean, they actually acknowledged that they knew we would be the yahoos reading, and they donated that. Isn't that cool? Yeah. Very much appreciated. I hear their stuff's really good. I'll have to get me some. Yes.

2:37:09 And coming in next, CJ from

2:37:12 Nantucket,

2:37:14 $250

2:37:15 with the note that says worst exit strategy ever

2:37:19 will be missed. And, yeah, this is this

2:37:22 is certainly not the best exit strategy.

2:37:25 No.

2:37:27 Darcy Darcy Morris of Hanover, Massachusetts 23888.

2:37:33 This news sneakily hit me in the feels.

2:37:36 Sorry to hear about JCD.

2:37:38 Sending 88 dot 88 plus 50 for each of the three jamokes uttered since my last donation.

2:37:44 Take care, Darcy.

2:37:49 You've got Double up.

2:37:52 Karma.

2:37:56 Then Patrick D. Buote from

2:38:01 what's it? Must

2:38:03 let's see. Musco Dubois.

2:38:05 Musco Dubois Harbor. Is that it? Nova Scotia. Well, I know it's Canada, so at least I've got that.

2:38:11 He says, as I sit at the computer with a heavy heart, I struggle to type my thoughts and feelings.

2:38:16 Both John and Adam have become mentors to me over the last six years or so.

2:38:21 John was one of those people you could only come across every so often in life. I always admired his ability to articulate his opinions

2:38:29 in such a clear and concise manner while keeping his cool for the most part. Oh, yeah. There's audio clips.

2:38:36 Whether I was hearing about another unique career he had or the clever use of a word I had never heard of,

2:38:43 John never ceased to impress me. I had hoped one day to meet him in person in a way I feel like I had already done so

2:38:52 through this amazing show.

2:38:55 Rest in peace, JCD.

2:38:57 Sincerely,

2:38:58 Patrick. And he came in with 23636.

2:39:00 Did I miss that because of the name of the city? Probably.

2:39:04 Yeah.

2:39:05 And you can do the next one, quarter David

2:39:07 Powers from Bangkapi.

2:39:10 I don't know where this is, Darren. The initials are t s for the nation. Thailand? What what's what's t h? I don't know. T h.

2:39:18 I should know. Shame on me.

2:39:20 David says, hey, y'all. Sending all of the love and my sincerest condolences to amazing

2:39:25 listening and reading so many wonderful accounts about John on NA and X, and the positive impact he had on so many of us for so many years.

2:39:34 There's so much I wanna say, but in honor of John, we'll do my best to keep it short.

2:39:39 I've been hitting people in the mouth for years, but this is my first monetary donation, so please de douche me. I would also like to ask you for your all of your No Agenda's family to help in getting my YouTube channel monetized.

2:39:51 I'm getting there, and every bit counts. I've spent the last year traveling to different cities, mostly Bangkok, Thailand,

2:39:57 and filmed POV walks and motorbike rides, partially

2:40:01 as a way to document these cities during these times, but also to give people from other countries a glimpse into what other people's day to day lives look like.

2:40:10 They're great to have on in the background while you're working for the ambient environment, but there's always near things to see if you watch.

2:40:18 I have plans to travel more when I finish my Thai language studies,

2:40:22 as well as new series for the channel exploring cuisines throughout Southeast Asia and beyond.

2:40:27 Please check out my long format videos on YouTube,

2:40:31 go slow faster,

2:40:33 and short form videos on TikTok,

2:40:35 go dot slow dot faster,

2:40:37 and IG,

2:40:38 go slow faster.

2:40:40 I also need karma I'm sorry. I also need jobs karma and dealer's choice of a clip featuring John, please. Love and lit David

2:40:48 Pappy Powers.

2:40:50 You've got

2:40:53 jobs jobs

2:40:55 jobs jobs jobs jobs karma.

2:41:00 Coincidence?

2:41:01 I think not.

2:41:03 Hey. That actually worked. And, you know, I noticed it in the in the troll room. I totally forgot to count the trolls.

2:41:09 Uh-oh. How can I forget to count the trolls? Oh, no. Train wreck.

2:41:13 Right now, we've got 539

2:41:16 people listening with a peak

2:41:18 of 888.

2:41:20 So, I mean, thank you to everybody Yes. Thank you. For coming out to hear us try not to totally destroy Adam's intellectual property all in

2:41:29 one quick afternoon.

2:41:30 Mhmm. It is very much appreciated. We got those jingles, and what do we got next? Michael Flynn, I think from Spokane

2:41:38 or Spokane as they say. Yeah. Spokane, Washington,

2:41:41 $218.89

2:41:44 in remembrance of John C. Dvorak.

2:41:49 Then Clint C. Dvorak

2:41:51 the no parts unknown.

2:41:53 Mhmm. $210.60

2:41:55 followed John since the PC Magazine days early nineties to me. I'm still in shock and tear up when I think about it.

2:42:03 The first six hours of tribute were rough. I get that.

2:42:06 I'm thankful for the seven hour plus hours of clips to make me laugh. Clint C. Galliano realtor

2:42:14 in South Louisiana. It's like I see with

2:42:18 the with JC, I didn't know. I knew it was gonna hit me at some point,

2:42:22 but it was just at the end of the preshow. And I again, I know that was him having some fun with me. Sure.

2:42:30 Jonathan Reisman, Chesterfield, Missouri, $210

2:42:33 and 12¢.

2:42:34 So sad to hear that JCD is no longer with us. My deepest condolences to Adam, the Dvorak

2:42:40 family.

2:42:42 Now my wife and I listen in twice a week. Thank you for all you do from

2:42:46 Oh, I just I just skipped a line. I'm sorry. My deepest condolences to Adam, the Dvorak family, and everyone else who receives so much value from John and his work.

2:42:57 Then John Wyden from Kodiak,

2:42:59 Alaska,

2:43:01 $200,

2:43:02 says

2:43:03 continued heartfelt prayers for the Dvorak family. My sons introduced me to the show. Now my wife and I listen twice a week. Thank you for all you do all the way from Alaska. That Yeah. Must be fun.

2:43:16 Linda Duparkin of Castle Rock, Colorado. Oh, look at this. Linda Duparkin.

2:43:21 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Darren and Larry. Thanks for stepping in. Big shoes to fill. Jobs karma.

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2:43:55 Good old Joe Biden. That's exactly how he normally speaks too. That's it. Yeah. I was expecting Hillary, but that was even better. It's like an all random day. That's the fun. Then

2:44:05 Martin Beness came in with 19902

2:44:09 with no

2:44:10 jingles, no karma, so that is very much

2:44:13 appreciated.

2:44:14 I think we missed one on the the other one as well.

2:44:19 You've got Double up.

2:44:22 Karma.

2:44:25 Dame Stacy of Yellowstone County and the Black Hills. One ninety eight ninety one in the morning. There's nothing I can say that already hasn't been said. John added so much to this world and will be greatly missed.

2:44:38 Love and prayers to you all, love and light. Dame Stacy of Yellowstone County

2:44:42 and the Black Hills.

2:44:44 Then we have Amanda from Minnesota.

2:44:47 Minnesotanuts

2:44:48 with 19889.

2:44:51 Donating has been on my I'll get to it list. I never imagined it would be under these circumstances

2:44:57 with deepest condolences.

2:44:59 John was truly a fabulous product,

2:45:02 toasting his legacy with a terrific Kirkland wine.

2:45:06 Cheers and thank you Amanda

2:45:08 from

2:45:09 Minnesota. And yeah, JCD, I know he cost me money. My wife doesn't even like drink wine,

2:45:14 but anytime he had a wine tip, it was like, I gotta go to Costco. We can we can give him his gifts. I'm like, okay. It's always costed me money.

2:45:25 Here's one from stir strregalicious,

2:45:27 18797

2:45:30 ITMorning.

2:45:31 My deepest condolences to Mimi, Adam, and all the No Agenda family.

2:45:35 John will truly be missed. NJNK,

2:45:39 sir Stregalicious.

2:45:41 Yeah, I said it right, Stregalicious.

2:45:43 And coming in next, Mark Cram with 18888

2:45:48 says Adam Mimi and Family in the Morning. My son-in-law hit me in the mouth while he was recovering

2:45:53 with us after having his appendix removed

2:45:56 while on a business trip in 2020. Oh, that's no fun to begin with, but on a trip, that's No, no, no. Haven't missed a show since. Thank you for all the years of love and laughter. May God bless you and the show.

2:46:08 John will be missed, but his DNA will always remain in the enterprise.

2:46:14 It's a good way to think about it. That is. It's a cool phrase.

2:46:21 Mark Cram, 18888.

2:46:23 No, weren't. Oh, You just You're the Duke. I'm on the Duke. Oops, my mess. Duke of San Francisco, San Francisco

2:46:31 US, of course, 16699.

2:46:33 The Duke of San Francisco is mourning the passing of JCD.

2:46:37 As commodore of the San Francisco Bay, I declare a meetup at the Duke of Edinburgh in Cupertino

2:46:44 at 05:33PM.

2:46:46 Theduke.com.

2:46:49 Joseph Stegman, Thousand Oaks, California came in with 12863

2:46:54 with no note, which is real. I guess it's the no note that we do the double up karma for. Yeah. Yes.

2:47:02 You've got Double up.

2:47:05 Karma.

2:47:08 Mark McGough, Benson,

2:47:10 North Carolina.

2:47:12 Rest in peace, John. Sincere condolences to Mimi, Adam, family, and friends started listening during this pandemic.

2:47:19 Going to miss hearing John Weekly. God bless.

2:47:22 And the way I kind of, thought about it earlier that No Agenda had the story a few weeks back

2:47:29 of the girl, she had her license, but when the

2:47:33 flight instructor jumped out mid flight and was just like, you know what to do.

2:47:37 That's kind of how I feel today.

2:47:40 Lisa Mikalski

2:47:42 coming in with 11889.

2:47:46 John put the C in counting cars on the Zephyr,

2:47:50 Costco wine recommendations and cynicism mixed with charm.

2:47:55 John put the C in cold reads and mispronunciations

2:47:58 in the donation segments that made me smile. John put the C in clue and a clever one was with the 01/12/2025

2:48:07 horrible tip of the day, which was a simple search revealed his true age.

2:48:13 I've known since that that something didn't add up. Maybe he was trying to tell us something. Most importantly,

2:48:20 John put the c in courage as in thank you for your courage to Adam,

2:48:25 Mimi,

2:48:26 JC,

2:48:27 Jay and Brennan.

2:48:28 The show Thursday was full of laughs and tears.

2:48:32 Thank you for opening up your hearts, memories and raw emotions

2:48:36 to the whole of Gitmo Nation and allowing us to share that with you.

2:48:41 My deepest sympathies to you

2:48:43 all as you take on the challenge to carry on John's legacy. Well, thank you, Lisa. And I didn't realize the must have been that true people search that John recommended. His real age was there, we could have Wow. We would have just looked them up.

2:48:59 Easy.

2:49:01 Valerie

2:49:02 Ray of Plano, Texas. 11469

2:49:05 and no no message, no jingles. Just thank you, Valerie.

2:49:12 You've got Double

2:49:15 karma.

2:49:17 That also goes for Samuel Thomas parts unknown with 10569.

2:49:25 God. Deborah Double up.

2:49:27 Karma.

2:49:31 Deborah Keenum,

2:49:32 10535.

2:49:34 I eagerly got in my car Friday morning ready to listen to the No Agenda show on my way to work. I heard the opening and cried.

2:49:42 I've been a listener for over two years. JCD brought humor and wisdom. He will be missed,

2:49:47 but he impacted so many lives.

2:49:51 Absolutely

2:49:52 true. Thank you. Andrew Grasso of

2:49:55 Mineola,

2:49:56 New York.

2:49:57 My wife talked me into buying a starter home down the street from her parents and around the corner from her sisters and aunts. So this sounds like everybody loves Raymond.

2:50:07 Type of home and neighborhood is not what I wanted for my life but now I've begun to understand that we will never be leaving.

2:50:15 With deference to John C. And his memory, please knight me,

2:50:19 sir Grasso,

2:50:21 reluctant knight of Mineola.

2:50:23 At the round table, I request Manuka Gold, a surprisingly

2:50:27 great cheese.

2:50:29 I discovered oh, no. I'm sorry. It's a

2:50:32 Manuka Gouda. Yeah. I see bad eyes. I saw Manuka Gold. That's not right. I did too. A surprisingly great cheese that I discovered

2:50:42 from Wisconsin made by a Dutch immigrant.

2:50:45 As for the wine,

2:50:48 I'll let John C make the selection. Oh. It's cool. Signed Andrew Grass. So thank you.

2:50:55 Robert Stokes,

2:50:57 no address.

2:50:58 10335,

2:51:00 rest in peace, John C. Dvorak.

2:51:03 This next one, Michael Stepnitska,

2:51:07 Vienna,

2:51:08 Virginia,

2:51:10 a $100 in the morning indeed. I really miss his analysis as well as learning

2:51:15 what he put the c in. My condolences to John's family and to you as well. Well, thank you, Michael.

2:51:23 Dita and Jack,

2:51:24 Cumberland,

2:51:25 Forsyde,

2:51:26 Maine.

2:51:28 We were lost during COVID, then we were found because John and Adam were around. Their deconstruction gives us hope to understand news and not be a dope. Now John's crossed the threshold. He will sorely he'd be sorely missed,

2:51:42 but the show must go on

2:51:44 or he will be pissed.

2:51:47 RIP,

2:51:47 JCD, love and light to all. Dida and Jack Cumberland,

2:51:52 Forsyde,

2:51:53 Maine.

2:51:54 Felix Comicci

2:51:56 comes in with a $100 from Farmington, Connecticut. Rest in peace JCD,

2:52:01 your memory will live on. Thank you for the laughter

2:52:05 and the memories. Thank you, Felix.

2:52:08 Adam G. Hurst, Heathcote,

2:52:10 Australia.

2:52:12 Thank you both Adam. That's $100.

2:52:14 Thank you both John and Adam for being part of my daily life for the past six years. Listening every morning on my commute to work, John's passing leaves a hole that can never be filled.

2:52:24 Rest in peace, John C. D. Thoughts and prayers to Mimi and family.

2:52:30 John Buwell coming in from Vista, California

2:52:33 with a $100,

2:52:35 no note.

2:52:36 So, double them up.

2:52:40 You've got Double up.

2:52:43 Karma.

2:52:47 Ezra from Bris Vegas, Australia,

2:52:50 '90 482.

2:52:52 Hello, Adam, Mimi, and family.

2:52:55 My deepest condolences, I've been listening to Adam and John since 2014.

2:52:59 Thanks to Grimerica.

2:53:00 Please deduce me for I have sinned.

2:53:03 John was the father figure I never had. Man, we hear that a lot, don't we? Yes.

2:53:07 The trusted friend I'd never met and the teacher I never knew I needed.

2:53:11 He made me laugh every episode with his blunt wit and impeccable timing. And I don't think there will ever be a time where I don't miss him. Please play John's spooky donate

2:53:24 jiggle. He would probably have a chuckle at that. Ezra from Viscountess,

2:53:28 Australia.

2:53:34 You've got Donate.

2:53:38 Donate.

2:53:40 Donate.

2:53:42 Karma.

2:53:45 Coming in next, Rose Richardson

2:53:48 with 9482,

2:53:52 and no note no jingles,

2:53:54 no karma.

2:53:55 And, I mean, since we're doing that, we need the practice

2:53:59 anyway. Yeah. You've got Double up.

2:54:03 It's karma.

2:54:06 Here's Dame Anne, 9482.

2:54:09 I just found out about John's untimely demise. NA meant so much to me during COVID when I found Gitmo Nation and realized

2:54:16 I was not alone in a world gone mad.

2:54:19 John's legacy is far reaching and won't stop at his mortal passing.

2:54:23 Love to all, Dame Anne.

2:54:26 Julie G coming in from Brighton,

2:54:29 Ontario.

2:54:30 9388,

2:54:31 my condolences to Mimi and the family and hugs to Adam. I am sad to hear of John's passing. It's $1.38 20 Canadian dollars, which is $88.88

2:54:41 plus $5

2:54:43 for fees. And of course, John loved the eights.

2:54:46 Yes, he did. Wendy,

2:54:49 no,

2:54:50 no home.

2:54:52 No parts. Parts is known as Darren said. You made an incredible impression on me week after week. The No Agenda show is a safe place. It left an imprint on my heart that will never fade.

2:55:02 Best podcast in the universe.

2:55:04 Love and prayers, Wendy.

2:55:06 Hi, Low, Holland.

2:55:09 Ryan, Caitlin, and Maggie from

2:55:12 Bexthelsville

2:55:13 in Pennsylvania.

2:55:15 That sounds Dutch as well.

2:55:16 Ninety three sixty four, which I'm guessing is $88.88 with fees. We miss you, John. Praying for you all. Love Ryan, Caitlin, and Maggie. No jingles,

2:55:27 no karma. Well, you.

2:55:29 Leith Crooks.

2:55:31 No, address. I, like everyone, was shocked to hear of John's passing. My condolences to the Dvorak's Curry's and all the producers.

2:55:39 I'm about three weeks behind, so it will be bittersweet experience listening to his last remaining shows.

2:55:45 The donation box asked for a favorite memory of John, and apart from his daily lessons and critical thinking, what sprang to mind was when Adam would make an exceptional quip that would crack John's scaly interior.

2:55:57 But there was always a small delay,

2:55:59 yeah, before John's

2:56:01 made an outrageous sounding laugh in the background.

2:56:04 It would always be so unique and sound and I'd find myself rewinding the show to listen to it again. A testament to the relationship you two shared

2:56:13 bits that made John laugh would also make a great special show, RIP Buzzkill,

2:56:18 Leith Crooks.

2:56:20 Yeah. And I really believe they just did the show to make each other laugh, which is kind of what we do as well. I like it.

2:56:26 It's good Charles

2:56:29 Veitenheimer?

2:56:30 Sounds right to me. 9364.

2:56:34 No note. No car. So

2:56:37 You've got Double up.

2:56:40 Karma. Thank you, Charles.

2:56:44 Bill Leclaire.

2:56:45 Very sad to hear about John's pass O9364.

2:56:49 No address. Very sad to hear about John's passing. Condolences to his family and friends.

2:56:53 He was loved by many and will not be forgotten.

2:56:56 John responded to all four of my emails over the years.

2:57:00 One to explain why he always said my name, capital l, small a, capital c.

2:57:06 He was a big fan of classic W. C. Fields, so am I. Rest in peace, John. Bill Leclair.

2:57:13 Edward

2:57:14 Yavno coming in with 9364

2:57:17 and the sad emoji,

2:57:20 which I feel you. Thank you.

2:57:22 Yes.

2:57:24 Elliot Lang,

2:57:25 I '90 364.

2:57:27 I worked in a Chicago computer store back in the early eighties and we all enjoyed John's PC Magazine articles every month.

2:57:34 I didn't like the mouse when it first came out either. I almost felt like I was betraying John when I got my first serial mouse so long ago.

2:57:42 I have followed John's career throughout the years and considered him something of an old friend. I will miss him. Elliott Lang.

2:57:50 Yeah. A lot of people didn't I mean, he didn't say the mouse was not gonna work. He just said there was no evidence, which there wasn't. I'm backing him on that one.

2:57:58 Okay. Pat Deary came in with $93.64

2:58:02 says no words.

2:58:03 He will be missed. Well, you. Pat is appreciated.

2:58:07 Surplum

2:58:08 or surplus of the consumer,

2:58:11 $93.64.

2:58:12 Surplus of the consumer here, JCD.

2:58:15 Read my dono on show

2:58:18 nine seventy nine.

2:58:20 One of my proudest moments is making him say,

2:58:23 me likey.

2:58:25 Grateful for JCD teaching me whipsaws

2:58:28 and all the insider media tricks also is love, joy, peace, patience, and of course, courage.

2:58:34 Thank you, sir. Plus then Ryan Young coming in with $93.64

2:58:40 with no

2:58:42 note in there at all.

2:58:44 Okay.

2:58:45 Here's Darren O'Hara. Is he a relative?

2:58:48 Henderson, Nevada, 9364.

2:58:51 I know this will likely miss the 09/1889

2:58:54 cutoff, but things got busy and I still wanted to get this donation in.

2:58:58 I have been saving for another executive producer credit,

2:59:01 but it felt important to give something now to honor JCD and the greatest podcast on earth.

2:59:07 I remember listening to John on DH Unplugged,

2:59:10 though for whatever reason I didn't find my way to No Agenda until after I saw that MTV guy

2:59:18 on Rogan during the pandemic.

2:59:20 I'm glad I did.

2:59:22 Thank you JCD and Adam for helping me get through this time

2:59:26 and for the continued media deconstruction

2:59:29 each week. And thank you to the Dvorak family for sharing JCD with No Agenda Nation.

2:59:35 John C. Dvorak, thank you for your courage, Godspeed. You will be missed ITM,

2:59:39 Darren.

2:59:40 Garrett Morrison coming in with 9364.

2:59:44 No note there, so thank you very much. And then the next one is sir Dwight the Knight

2:59:49 from Burlington,

2:59:50 Ontario

2:59:52 9364.

2:59:53 In the morning, Adam, and of course, always John C. Dvorak.

2:59:57 Sir Dwight the Night here kneeling and heartfallen.

3:00:00 I couldn't believe the news when I heard it and I'm still having trouble.

3:00:04 The show will never be the same and I will always listen. Well, thank you sir Dwight. You are absolutely correct.

3:00:13 Steven Mollin, 9364,

3:00:15 whether going for a walk, run, driving, doing errands, falling asleep, the No Agenda show

3:00:20 was my go to podcast since 2020.

3:00:22 As a pharmacist, you educated me since our institutions refused to do so. Please de douche me. Give me a break. I had ants.

3:00:33 You've

3:00:35 been de douche.

3:00:39 Then sir Allen of Midlothian coming in from Virginia

3:00:44 9364

3:00:45 says it was a great run for JCD. May he now rest in peace, sir Allen of Midlothian.

3:00:52 Thank you.

3:00:54 Michael Streicharz,

3:00:56 no address, 9364,

3:00:58 and no message.

3:01:01 Then John Johnson from Goldsboro,

3:01:04 North Carolina,

3:01:05 9364

3:01:07 says, been a douche way too long

3:01:11 and long live John C. Dvorak, and we'll give you the de douching.

3:01:16 You've

3:01:18 been de douched.

3:01:22 Forbes Benning of London, Ontario.

3:01:26 9364.

3:01:27 My sincerest condolences to the Dvorak and Curry families. What a consolation it has been to hear all the heartfelt love for John. He touched so many lives. JCD was, with us for so long that we thought he was eternal.

3:01:40 Well, now he is. Please accept this donation of $88.88.

3:01:45 Prayers were said for John. Real prayers to wish him well on his journey to the great meetup beyond.

3:01:51 Godspeed JCD.

3:01:53 Sincerely Forbes Benning, surreal Knight of London.

3:01:57 Steve Carrico coming in parts unknown with ninety three thirty three

3:02:02 in the morning. Like many, I came to lean on John's deconstruction and yours too, Adam, over the years.

3:02:09 That unmatched calm and realism put us all at ease.

3:02:13 Thank you for everything. I'm embarrassed to say, but I'm in need of that de douching. Thank you, Steve, and, with pleasure.

3:02:22 You've

3:02:25 been de douched.

3:02:29 Michael Gilmore of Danville, California says now that you're upstairs, $90 rather.

3:02:35 Now that you're upstairs Actually, that's the next one. That's because there's two gray in a row. They're fooling us. Oh, see? That's my color blindness. He said nothing. Yeah. But thank you, Michael.

3:02:43 And then Jackson

3:02:45 Capizio

3:02:46 Gilmore came in with 90 and

3:02:49 says, now that you're upstairs, would you ask the owner where the missing newsletters are and who decided

3:02:55 the recipients

3:02:56 who would the recipients would be? If he does not know, have him assist you with the debugging.

3:03:03 You should finally have the ultimate sys admin privileges.

3:03:08 Love Jackson Capizio

3:03:10 Gilmore. And that

3:03:12 like I said, $90 I think, but that reminded me of the

3:03:15 the ham silent key tribute for John, which was very touching. I mean, this is the computer guy

3:03:21 thing where now you've got the full system admin, right? So

3:03:26 if somebody's messing with my computer, I'll know who it is.

3:03:30 Virginia Watts of Ketchikan,

3:03:33 Alaska. Lady Vox. Lady

3:03:35 Vox. Hello, Lady Vox. Eighty eight ninety three because it's a prime number with double digits.

3:03:42 Yeah.

3:03:44 Eric,

3:03:47 there's okay, there's extra. There's weird characters.

3:03:51 X, K, S and weird

3:03:54 zero y. X x Noi, Yeah.

3:03:58 I'm gonna go with XNoi. I don't know. 8888.

3:04:01 You see, you thought John couldn't pronounce stuff. I really can't and then I can't see it too. Twit donation,

3:04:06 please.

3:04:07 De-douche, I really miss you, John. Thank you for everything you did, and thank you, Eric.

3:04:14 You've

3:04:17 been de-douched.

3:04:21 Rocket of Brownsboro,

3:04:23 Alabama 80 888.

3:04:25 I was shocked to hear of John's passing and was also shocked to learn he was 80. He seemed so young, but still one of my favorite OG boomers.

3:04:34 Love and prayers to the Dvorak's and Curry's

3:04:36 Rocket.

3:04:38 Paul

3:04:39 Weygard's

3:04:40 Chauffeur, I think Weygard's Chauffeur, eighty eight eighty eight

3:04:45 and, no no, thank you very much, Paul.

3:04:50 Here's an interesting one because it's from my hometown.

3:04:53 John Dave of Elmhurst, New York, 8888.

3:04:57 No message. Thank you, John, Dave.

3:05:00 David Egan from Austin, Tejas 8888

3:05:03 says rest in peace JCD.

3:05:07 Thank you.

3:05:09 T Horr, is that I think it's four with a space.

3:05:12 Okay. Now that's a Dvorakism

3:05:14 if ever. Yeah. Thore, Thor. From North Sydney, Australia, just got back from vacation and in shock.

3:05:22 You two have been with me since 2008 and always felt like family. Heartfelt condolences to the entire Dvorak family. I'm devastated.

3:05:29 Thor from Manly,

3:05:31 Australia.

3:05:32 Thank you, Thor. Dame Mary Paul Stewart from Seattle,

3:05:36 Washington,

3:05:37 8888

3:05:38 in memory of John C. Dvorak where the c stands for celestial.

3:05:43 God bless you, John Dame Mary Paul Stewart. Thank you.

3:05:48 Nathan Marshall, no address, 8888.

3:05:51 We stand on the shoulders of giants.

3:05:54 Very true. Joseph King coming from Dokula,

3:05:58 Georgia.

3:05:59 8888.

3:06:00 In the morning, Adam and JCV family,

3:06:03 it is with great sorrow I send in this donation in the memory of John C. Dvorak. I will keep this note brief so John doesn't get too grouchy up above,

3:06:13 but I hope to express the immense impact that the No Agenda show has had on my life.

3:06:18 I have been a listener since Adam's first JRE appearance,

3:06:22 but never donated any treasure.

3:06:25 Please de douche me.

3:06:28 You've

3:06:31 been de douche. The

3:06:34 media deconstruction thoughtful commentary and humor of the show has been a steadfast companion to me these past few years and has been such a positive influence in my life. After meeting my now wife Anna, I soon hit her in the mouth and can attest that it is true

3:06:51 that those who know Agenda together stay together.

3:06:54 Both of us are devastated at JCD's

3:06:57 passing and we send love and prayers to his family and the rest of No Agenda Nation

3:07:03 heading to Costco now to find a cheap Bordeaux

3:07:06 in honor of John. I'll be Costco should be paying the Thank Dvorak

3:07:13 you, Joseph.

3:07:15 Andre

3:07:16 Harselhorst

3:07:17 and Van Den Gorberg

3:07:19 of Alphen

3:07:21 and Netherlands. Netherlands. Okay. Thanks for everything. R a p, John C. Dvorak. Yeah. $88.88

3:07:29 on that one and on this one from Louise Lancaster.

3:07:34 And

3:07:35 it is 8888.

3:07:37 Lovely

3:07:38 JCD,

3:07:39 where will we be?

3:07:40 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Louise.

3:07:45 Sir Jerry Carl, the Knight of All Things Greasy.

3:07:49 Sir Jerry Carl. Caroline. Jerry Carl. There we go. How did I miss that? All Things Greasy, Raleigh, North Carolina 8888.

3:07:56 John and Adam have brought something incredible to this world. I can never thank you enough for what John's columns, No Agenda, and the No Agenda family have given me. God bless you, Mimi, and God bless the Dvorak and Curry families. Rest in peace, JCD.

3:08:11 Sincerely,

3:08:12 Ryan Smith, sir Jerry Curry, the Knight of All Things Greasy, Raleigh, North Carolina. And PS, thanks for bringing the word specious

3:08:20 back into my life. It's a fun one.

3:08:23 And Jordan Fraser coming in with 8888.

3:08:27 Rest in peace, JCD. The skills you guys have passed on have equipped me for life, enabling me to recognize the bull crap.

3:08:36 A truly immeasurable

3:08:38 benefit. Well, thank you, Jordan.

3:08:41 Dude named Mohammed.

3:08:43 No address. 8888

3:08:45 from Dude Named Mohammed.

3:08:48 Then Scott Penton coming in from

3:08:51 Tonawanda,

3:08:52 New York, 8888.

3:08:55 And, then Eric Mackie coming in from Blairsville,

3:08:59 Georgia also with 8888.

3:09:05 Okay. Anonymous

3:09:07 from Newcastle Upon Tyne in Great Britain.

3:09:10 8888.

3:09:11 Dear Adam and the Dvorak family, just listened to Adam's opening in 1888 and it provided a needed release.

3:09:18 I was sobbing.

3:09:20 Found out when I read the newsletter, thought it may be a joke.

3:09:23 It's hard to describe what an impact this has had on me. As an old gray beard named Ben, I follow John since his early days on Twitter

3:09:31 and Cranky Geeks as he flung those cards. Pew, pew, jingle please.

3:09:35 I will miss his curmudgeonly ways, his wit and sharp insight.

3:09:39 And he just plain made me laugh.

3:09:41 I would like to be knighted, sir Moore Bott.

3:09:45 A callback to the place I grew up and spent many happy hours playing as a child. At the round table, I would like a pint of

3:09:53 rig welder and a giant Yorkshire pudding filled with onion gravy, please.

3:09:58 Just for random info, Iklamoor Bhat,

3:10:01 refers to the unofficial anthem of the County Of Yorkshire in The UK,

3:10:05 literally on Ickley Moor without a hat in the local dialect.

3:10:10 It's a sad tale of a young lover courting the bleak Moor and his potential death from exposure without the proper headgear. Lovely.

3:10:18 We sang this in primary school. A seven thirty seven sized hole in your heart is truly apt. My thoughts are with you all.

3:10:27 Soon to be sir sir Moorebott at Anonymous.

3:10:31 And I believe this is the jingle.

3:10:41 I think that's it. I mean, I know there's others on there. Sounds like that sound like pew pew. I'm a place. Welcome to the round table.

3:10:50 Next up, sir, Rob Baron of Greater Limburg coming in with eighty eight eighty eight. Thanks, John, for all the great shows. No jingles, no karma. Sir, Rob Baron of Greater Limburg.

3:11:02 Sir Glenn of Raleigh, North Carolina 8888,

3:11:06 my condolences to Dvorak family and Curry family. I will surely miss John, but hope the show continues media deconstruction.

3:11:13 Thanks. And J and K.

3:11:15 Ryan Wolf coming in from Covington, Virginia 8888

3:11:19 says, dear dear Adam John's family

3:11:23 and the No Agenda donation. I've been following John for over three decades now.

3:11:28 In the early nineties, in the back of the computer magazines I used to sit and read at Barnes and Noble,

3:11:33 John C. Dvorak was there during the golden years of tech TV

3:11:37 before it went stupid. Oh, you did. John was there

3:11:40 On Leo's podcast in the earliest days when they still called them Netcast, John was there.

3:11:46 The Cranky Geeks, No Agenda and DH Unplugged, John was there.

3:11:51 I'm nine episodes behind the show for so for me, John is still there. I think I'll hold those few episodes

3:11:59 for a rainy day knowing that John and Adam will still be there.

3:12:04 One of my favorite Doctor Who line sticks in my head. The doctor says something like,

3:12:08 every time that you see people happy,

3:12:11 you remember how sad they're going to be later and it breaks your heart.

3:12:16 What's the point of being happy now if they're just going to be sad? And the answer of course is because they're going to be sad later.

3:12:25 This feels true right now. We always got the happy now it is time for the sadness.

3:12:30 I never got to meet John or any of you never shook hands or shared a meal, but after all those years of listening,

3:12:37 John and Adam allowed me to feel a little part

3:12:42 of their family, like a little part of their family. John stories the way he talked about technology and the industry and the bits about everyday life. Let me share in some of the happiness and camaraderie.

3:12:54 It's a real gift and one that death doesn't get to take away. Through all the crazy years, the endless news cycles, the pandemics, the AI panic, the climate alarms, the constant sense of imminent doom,

3:13:08 John and Adam wore a steady hand on the tiller.